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[12:10:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 05v2.5_branch 09ed751 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/components/thc.comp Component: fix incorrect calculation of velocity tolerance percent * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=09ed751
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[13:41:11] <linuxcnc-build> build #149 of 4017.deb-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at
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[14:37:26] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6 7795d33 06linuxcnc Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/v2.5_branch' into 2.6 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=7795d33
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[15:11:52] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Frank Tkalcevic 05v2.5_branch ed3ed34 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/components/edge.comp edge.comp: eliminate false trigger upon startup * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed3ed34
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[15:25:26] <seb_kuzminsky> yay!
[15:30:44] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6 f74c5d3 06linuxcnc 10src/po/it.po docs: update Italian gettext translation * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=f74c5d3
[15:32:20] <cradek> woo
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[15:56:39] <linuxcnc-build> build #150 of 4017.deb-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at
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[17:15:03] <kwallace1> Hello, I'm dusting off my Beagle Bone Black with Charles' LinuxCNC and forgot the default username and password to login. Does anyone know, off hand, what to try?
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[17:20:58] <kwallace1> Aha, I think "linuxcnc" for both ...
[17:21:44] <kwallace1> Bingo.
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[17:52:13] <linuxcnc-build> build #151 of 4017.deb-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at
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[18:08:27] <cradek> I don't understand what gene is saying about units
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[18:15:06] <skunkworks> I don't either.. He doesn't have g20/21 in the gcode it sounds like
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[18:16:16] <seb_kuzminsky> or he expects F to always be in imperial, even when he puts the controller in metric mode?
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[18:21:36] <cradek> that would be an incorrect expectation
[18:22:01] <cradek> he hints it has changed between 2.5 and 2.6 though ...
[18:26:57] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, that part's a bit worrying
[18:28:47] <skunkworks> I know I have had issues where I ran a program in metric - then went to mdi to do something and wonder why the feed is so much slower than expeceted..
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[18:34:58] <cradek> I've done that too -- but that's not a bug, right? the feed and measurements are all metric in that case
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[18:44:48] <seb_kuzminsky> that particular bug is in your head, not in linuxcnc
[18:45:01] <seb_kuzminsky> *in our heads
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[18:49:20] <skunkworks> not a bug
[18:49:22] <skunkworks> :)
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[19:03:16] <cradek> well sounds like someone (ahem) should figure out whether 2.6 moves a related bug from our heads to the software
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[19:12:58] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, i'll check that one out
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[19:18:33] <skunkworks> does anyone know what rob is talking about? ;)
[19:19:55] <cradek> yes but I don't know the answer to his question (whether it's a good idea)
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[19:20:05] <skunkworks> heh
[19:21:25] <cradek> there are two sane approaches: keep track of units with all the numbers, or convert to a standard internal representation early on input, and then back to what the user wants late at output time
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[19:21:41] <cradek> what we do is more like the second one
[19:21:45] <skunkworks> how is it now?
[19:21:50] <skunkworks> ah
[19:22:07] <cradek> not really early and late enough for my liking
[19:22:44] <skunkworks> iirc - internal units are sort of metric? (I remeber jmk being annoyed by that)
[19:22:55] <cradek> for instance: we don't convert before the whole interpreter
[19:23:08] <cradek> then we convert back to user before any of hal sees the values
[19:23:48] <cradek> internal units at the canon level are mm and degrees
[19:24:00] <cradek> internal units in AXIS are inexplicably inches and degrees
[19:24:30] <cradek> so it's afu
[19:25:49] <cradek> I don't know how to fix it
[19:26:37] <seb_kuzminsky> Axis has internal units? doesn't it just use whatever the user said they want to think about?
[19:26:41] <cradek> I have not yet seen a program manage to use C++ to track (and eliminate bugs regarding) units in the way he suggests trying
[19:27:06] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: at least the opengl parts are scaled in inches
[19:27:16] <seb_kuzminsky> ooh
[19:27:28] <cradek> I think boost has unitsy stuff but I don't know anything about it
[19:27:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder if that's related to that metric/imperial display bug i ran into a while back (and that i never debugged/fixed)
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[19:27:54] <cradek> iirc, I never reproduced that
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[19:28:15] <cradek> is there a bug for that?
[19:28:18] <seb_kuzminsky> the bottom half of canon runs in the kernel, right? so at that level it has to be C-y, not C++-y
[19:28:43] <seb_kuzminsky> i have the bug in my notes but it's not in the bugtracker
[19:28:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i should write a proper repro recipe first :-/
[19:29:24] <cradek> yes you'd have to be back in Cish land before you got to the motion interface
[19:29:47] <cradek> I wish robert were here
[19:30:44] <seb_kuzminsky> so mcuh of the code that would do arithmetic on CANON_POSITIONs could not rely on C++ operator overloading, i think that means it'd be a bad idea
[19:31:56] <cradek> I guess I'm not sure what problem we're solving, and I'd like to start by knowing that
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[19:32:16] <seb_kuzminsky> good point
[19:32:18] <cradek> we have always had a class of bugs related to units
[19:32:53] <cradek> (and they are currently all fixed...)
[19:34:49] <cradek> moving units conversion to early in the interpreter (near read_real_value or whatever it's called) would pretty up canon at least as much as re's proposal
[19:35:08] <cradek> it'd pretty up the interpreter too
[19:35:25] <cradek> then you'd have to convert back before outputting anything to hal
[19:35:49] <cradek> it wouldn't rely on C++ magic
[19:36:15] <cradek> we already do a units conversion in that very early spot: diameters
[19:36:37] <seb_kuzminsky> src/emc/motion/* does not create any CANON_POSITION variables, so i think my C++ complaint is invalid
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[19:44:26] <cradek> I can't think of a single reason why the interp couldn't convert to standard units early. it knows the active gcode units perfectly well
[19:45:21] <cradek> var file and tool table would still need (er, may need) conversion on input, and it would become simpler than the conversion that's needed now
[19:45:21] <seb_kuzminsky> you'd have to be careful to convert back to user units in all the error messages coming out of interp, but that's merely work
[19:45:33] <cradek> yes
[19:45:49] <cradek> I wonder if the i18n layer could be expanded to handle that
[19:45:53] <cradek> it's a very similar problem
[19:46:08] <seb_kuzminsky> mind = blown
[19:46:17] <cradek> ?
[19:46:32] <seb_kuzminsky> that suggestion blew my mind
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[19:47:26] <cradek> haha, and sam's
[19:47:38] <seb_kuzminsky> dsl modem = blown
[19:48:41] <linuxcnc-build> build #152 of 4017.deb-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4017.deb-wheezy-armhf/builds/152 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[19:48:41] <cradek> logger[psha]: can we give RE a link?
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