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[00:46:08] <PCW> skunkworks: 945GCLF works fine for me (using built in Ethernet)
[00:46:46] <eric_unterhause1> PCW: you were reporting decent results with rt-preempt and 12.04, correct?
[00:47:22] <skunkworks> ok - well I installed a fresh copy of 12.04 - isntalled rt-preempt and then build linuxcnc - I will play with it tomorrow
[00:47:42] <PCW> Yes though the latency test lies
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[00:48:12] <PCW> I have a MB that has around 14 usec _reported_ latency
[00:48:46] <PCW> just some old ASUS MB with a Core Duo 5200
[00:48:58] <micges> rt-preempt have some tools to check latency?
[00:49:07] <eric_unterhause1> linuxcnc
[00:49:19] <eric_unterhause1> unified build
[00:49:52] <eric_unterhause1> PCW, what video?
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[00:53:03] <PCW> let me check, not sure, its a ASUS P5KPL-CM, on board video
[00:55:24] <eric_unterhause1> looks like it's intel gma, whatever that is
[00:56:46] <PCW> maybe in the Intel chipset
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[01:04:07] <skunkworks> was it the rtl61111?
[01:14:39] <PCW> Actually other then the D525 now i dont see an issue with the 8168
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[03:02:12] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/142759
[03:03:30] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/142761
[03:04:58] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/142773
[03:06:58] <cradek> surely he's not thinking he can use velocity (!) feedback for threading/tapping
[03:08:03] <skunkworks> someone does...
[03:08:17] <skunkworks> Hi chirs
[03:08:18] <skunkworks> chris
[03:08:21] <cradek> hi
[03:09:17] <cradek> http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh100/TD7012/tumblr_mwwyqfoPr91qdlh1io1_400_zps9c8c8207.gif
[03:09:29] <cradek> what can't the internet do
[03:10:27] <skunkworks> heh
[03:26:17] <skunkworks> cradek: how is the delta coming? :)
[03:26:56] <cradek> dejectedly now that ja3/4 almost surely won't be in 2.6
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[03:27:27] <skunkworks> what has that seb been doing? Jeezee
[03:27:33] <skunkworks> ;)
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[03:27:44] <cradek> probably familying and holidaying
[03:27:52] <skunkworks> the nerve!
[03:28:13] <cradek> right now I'm fixing the house whenever I have any extra energy
[03:28:28] <cradek> probably no big shop projects for a while - maybe when it gets warm again (if it ever does)
[03:28:46] <skunkworks> heh - we just remodeled a small back room and moved the washer and dryer up to that closet..
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[03:29:30] <cradek> I'd rather have a bathroom than laundry on the main floor. I pee dozens of times for every load of laundry I do.
[03:29:49] <skunkworks> wife giggles every time she does the laundry now. (yes I do laundry too - I just don't giggle..)
[03:29:54] <cradek> haha
[03:30:32] <skunkworks> that was what we did previous - remodeled the bathroom on the first floor.
[03:30:39] <cradek> I felt that way for a while after I got the new stove - but now I'm used to it and would whine if I had to use something else
[03:31:06] <skunkworks> (this house only has 1.5 bathroooms..)
[03:31:22] <skunkworks> what did you get for a new stove?
[03:31:30] <cradek> heh I have 1.0 and it's on the top floor
[03:31:50] <cradek> oh I "restored" an old 1957 roper and it's really nice to use
[03:32:03] <cradek> restored = updated safety equipment and fixed it all, mostly
[03:32:18] <skunkworks> heh - cool
[03:33:23] <cradek> http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000BSim0gRVWrY/s/900/900/ADVT-1956420-2.jpg
[03:33:44] <skunkworks> nice
[03:33:45] <cradek> this model, except mine has some extra stuff (oven window, timers)
[03:33:58] <cradek> I'm not as excited as she is, anymore
[03:34:03] <skunkworks> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Roper-4-burner-gas-stove-circa-1957-Model-Excellent-Condition-/200935419686?ViewItem=&item=200935419686&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466&nma=true&si=x7NRJNXeySBLughDIB8dKmCL1XI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[03:35:16] <cradek> cool griddle
[03:36:31] <cradek> my favorite uncommon-today feature on mine is a timer that turns a burner off
[03:36:52] <cradek> like you can set it to simmer for an hour and then turn off
[03:37:51] <cradek> but anyway, that's done, now I'm doing walls (learning to plaster)
[03:37:52] <skunkworks> that would be nice
[03:37:58] <skunkworks> yeck
[03:38:05] <skunkworks> sorry - did I say that?
[03:38:10] <cradek> heh
[03:40:49] <skunkworks> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=284562
[03:41:17] <skunkworks> needs a threshold yet...
[03:41:49] <cradek> whoah fancy
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[03:46:32] <skunkworks> (this is also stella's play room - (why it is yellow)
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[04:23:18] <Tom_itx> i dislike doing plaster with a passion
[04:23:27] <Tom_itx> but i've done plenty
[04:24:13] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, no regrets with a frontloader?
[04:24:20] <Tom_itx> i'd never buy another one
[04:24:28] <Tom_itx> the bearings can't take the load
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[07:59:32] <memleak> well im back to some RTAI development for awhile
[08:00:14] <memleak> been a few months since i last touched anything so i'm kind of out of date, but feel in a great mood to go back to it for awhile
[08:01:25] <memleak> hey seb_kuzminsky if i restabilize all the latest RTAI code and make it all rock solid like a did before, you think you could repackage some debs?
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[10:52:10] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: had that for 9 years or so... (so far)
[10:53:42] <archivist> they are 99% front loader over here, some get bearing problems but I bet all get some design related failure
[11:11:25] <skunkworks> can't say we have had any real issues with them yet. Knock on wood..
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[12:20:19] <skunkworks> pcw_home, New updated install of 12.04.3 - pulled the rt-preemt as you had showed me. Built linuxcnc. set the nic ip4 to manual, 192.168.1.1, 255.255.255.0, 0.0.0.0 (ip address, subnet, gateway) and set ip6 to ignore.
[12:20:39] <skunkworks> latency seems to be around 70us or so.
[12:20:50] <skunkworks> this is my current hal file
[12:20:51] <skunkworks> http://pastebin.ca/2520687
[12:21:05] <skunkworks> I run it with halrun -I -f save.hal
[12:21:28] <skunkworks> the watchdog bites almost instantly. If I set the timeout to 1000000000 - it flashes once.
[12:21:35] <skunkworks> what am I missing?
[12:25:02] <skunkworks> could the firmware in the card?
[12:25:14] <skunkworks> http://pastebin.ca/2460941?srch=7i80
[12:27:12] <skunkworks> this is on the atom board
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[13:11:28] <skunkworks> logger[mah
[13:11:32] <skunkworks> logger[mah],
[13:11:32] <logger[mah]> skunkworks: Log stored at
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[14:15:27] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 05master dfd4d41 06linuxcnc 10share/gscreen/skins/gmoccapy/gmoccapy_handler.py 10share/gscreen/skins/gmoccapy/release_notes.txt gmoccapy_0_9_9_7_4 - toolchange dialog with description * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=dfd4d41
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[14:47:55] <eric_unterhausen> memleak, I tried the 32 bit rtai 3.4 kernel and xenomai kernel on ubuntu precise, but I got latency spikes due to the radeon driver
[14:48:55] <eric_unterhausen> vesa didn't have those spikes, but I hosed the system trying to switch to software opengl
[14:49:29] <CaptHindsight> eric_unterhausen: I thought you were using the RTAI kernel, sorry
[14:49:44] <eric_unterhausen> I used both
[14:49:48] <CaptHindsight> oh, you tried both
[14:49:49] <cradek> I found if I didn't check the "use proprietary software to make my MP3s play right" checkbutton when installing, I didn't get the terrible nvidia driver
[14:50:08] <eric_unterhausen> it was the open-source driver
[14:50:18] <eric_unterhausen> closed source is fglrx
[14:50:22] <cradek> oh ok. in lucid you used to be able to switch to software rendering by simply installing a package...?
[14:50:39] <cradek> do you know what you did to hose it?
[14:50:43] <CaptHindsight> eric_unterhausen: he'll be around in a few hours, what hardware is this again?
[14:51:16] <eric_unterhausen> it's a asrock 790gx dual core athlon
[14:51:22] <cradek> looks like it is/was called libgl1-mesa-swx11
[14:51:38] <eric_unterhausen> cradek, I tried installing that, there was some conflict
[14:51:50] <eric_unterhausen> trying to resolve the conflict removed linux :)
[14:51:53] <cradek> yes, that's correct, as it should uninstall other stuff
[14:52:13] <cradek> ok I'm back to not knowing what you did...
[14:52:41] <eric_unterhausen> I tried uninstalling the conflict, it uninstalled everything that depended on it
[14:53:10] <eric_unterhausen> which included linux-desktop and just about everything required for a graphical linux system
[14:54:01] <eric_unterhausen> my conflict resolution skills not that great
[14:54:01] <cradek> like what command did you type to try uninstalling the conflict?
[14:54:30] <eric_unterhausen> apt-get uninstall mesa-something-glx
[14:54:57] <cradek> that's not what you want to do. if you install -swx11, it will replace the non-swx11 packages that conflict
[14:55:19] <eric_unterhausen> it refused to do that, should I have forced?
[14:56:36] <jepler> I expect apt to say something like this:
http://pastebin.com/QVugXTSC
[14:56:44] <cradek> probably not. perhaps they have broken it in later versions.
[14:56:46] <jepler> which looks like it would involve a minimum of fuss to switch to software X11
[14:56:52] <jepler> this is on debian wheezy, ymmv
[14:57:09] <cradek> yes I agree that's about what should happen
[14:57:37] <cradek> if ubuntu folks screwed it up I'd like to know - it's an important consideration for our next cd
[14:57:49] <eric_unterhausen> ok, I think I can recover the system
[14:59:15] <eric_unterhausen> any time anyone asks about vesa, the ubuntu people try to help them get the accelerated drivers to work
[14:59:48] <cradek> sure, that's probably what most of their askers want
[15:02:38] <eric_unterhausen> one future consideration of ubuntu is that the 3d desktop runs horribly on some pretty serviceable computers
[15:02:46] <eric_unterhausen> they are dropping the 2d desktop
[15:03:13] <cradek> yes in their base distribution. the xubuntu distrib is still fairly normal, though
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[15:06:36] <cradek> my current preference is wheezy+xfce
[15:06:51] <eric_unterhausen> I hate to admit that I'm used to unity now
[15:07:21] <cradek> I've only found minor brokennesses, and none of them were things broken in the name of beauty/modernity/looking like a mac
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[15:07:42] <eric_unterhausen> I could probably get used to not-unity pretty fast though
[15:08:01] <cradek> I hear people can get used to anything
[15:08:37] <eric_unterhausen> the main thing is the mac buttons, the "menuing" system is just stupid
[15:09:37] <eric_unterhausen> replacing menus with search is a bad idea, adding search is a much better idea
[15:10:24] <eric_unterhausen> it's a fixed database which can become hosed, it happens often enough that you can find solutions
[15:10:49] <eric_unterhausen> unfortunately, you can't start a terminal if the dash database is hosed
[15:12:45] <mozmck> eric_unterhausen: you should try the Cinnamon desktop. They have search added to the menus like you mention
[15:13:01] <mozmck> Linux Mint uses bash still by default it looks like.
[15:13:02] <cradek> I hear soon they're going to use a reinvented X (not that first one, a second one) so then the decision to just avoid them will be easy
[15:13:38] <cradek> oh dash is a shell? I thought it was probably a gui thing.
[15:13:48] <cradek> it does sound like a shelly name
[15:14:22] <mozmck> well, it could also be a gui thing I guess, but ubuntu replaced bash with dash a number of versions back.
[15:14:29] <mozmck> maybe 9.x?
[15:14:57] <mozmck> I figured out how to get bash back because dash did not handle some paths correctly at the time.
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[15:52:42] <eric_unterhausen> un-hosing my system has commenced
[15:55:44] <eric_unterhausen> dash is like the search box on win7, don't think it's a bash replacement
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[16:37:01] <eric_unterhausen> I forgot how long ubuntu takes to install over an existing install, it's hours
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[16:58:07] <CaptHindsight> if that works I'll really be surprised
[16:59:51] <eric_unterhausen> I've done it 3 times successfully
[17:00:30] <eric_unterhausen> if you are careless with apt-get, you learn such things
[17:01:07] <eric_unterhausen> here's one that will get you every time: apt-get uninstall python
[17:02:08] <eric_unterhausen> I think even the c compiler packages depend on python nowadays
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[17:29:49] <eric_unterhausen> CaptHindsight: worked
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[17:32:50] <eric_unterhausen> apparently under ubuntu 13, it doesn't even whine when you install over an existing filesystem
[17:36:07] <CaptHindsight> maybe they are finally fixing things
[17:36:35] <CaptHindsight> fix 10 things here and break 10 things there
[17:36:55] <CaptHindsight> why all the desktop madness?
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[17:38:59] <eric_unterhausen> they want to be microsoft
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[17:39:32] <eric_unterhausen> and they are doing a pretty good job of that given that microsoft has no idea what they are doing nowadays
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[17:42:35] <eric_unterhausen> apt-get update says there are duplicate sources, run apt-get update to fix
[17:50:14] <Tom_itx> maybe update your source locations?
[17:50:43] <eric_unterhausen> ya, i'm trying to figure out what the graphical widget is called that does that
[17:50:57] <eric_unterhausen> would be nice if it was just called software-sources, but no such luck
[17:51:23] <Tom_itx> /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:51:28] <Tom_itx> or
[17:51:45] <eric_unterhausen> ya, I can vi that or kill myself, similar outcomes
[17:51:46] <Tom_itx> /etc/apt/sources.list/linuxcnc-buildbot.list
[17:52:22] <eric_unterhausen> actually, there is a /var/lib/apt/lists/ and /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:52:42] <eric_unterhausen> I'm tempted to delete the one in /var, but I have a bad history of doing the easy thing and hosing my system
[17:53:01] <Tom_itx> or rename it
[17:53:19] <eric_unterhausen> now where's the fun in that?
[17:56:14] <eric_unterhausen> I ran out of coffee anyway, going downstairs to do it the easy way
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[18:43:43] <skunkworks> pcw_home, logger[mah]
[18:44:01] <skunkworks> logger[mah],
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[18:45:26] <skunkworks> pcw_home,
http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc-devel/2013-12-31.html#12:20:19
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[18:47:38] <skunkworks> I must be doing something stupid
[18:50:35] <pcw_home> try this: freeby.mesanet.com/hm2-pidstepper.zip
[18:50:36] <pcw_home> (you need to change the board name and mac address at a minimum)
[18:51:13] <pcw_home> (and use a stepgen config)
[18:52:45] <skunkworks> there isn't stepgens in the 7i80
[18:53:02] <skunkworks> (in my 7i80)
[18:53:25] <pcw_home> well you can update the config (via mesaflash)
[18:53:36] <skunkworks> what one is a good one to put into it?
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[18:53:55] <pcw_home> do you have a DB or HD?
[18:54:01] <skunkworks> hd
[18:54:12] <skunkworks> http://pastebin.ca/2460941?srch=7i80
[18:54:34] <skunkworks> (I have the zip with all the bit files)
[18:54:45] <skunkworks> downloaded it this morning)
[18:55:05] <micges> hi guys
[18:55:27] <pcw_home> any with at least 3 stepgens should do
[18:56:18] <pcw_home> 7i80hd_16_svst4_8.bit for example
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[19:32:14] <memleak> eric_unterhausen, if latency is fine with vesa why did you need to change the opengl renderer?
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[19:32:49] <memleak> X automatically falls back to softpipe, llvmpipe, swrast if r300/r600/radeonsi driver is not used
[19:33:37] <memleak> you can't have hardware 3d accel without hardware 2D accel so there is no point in forcing a software-based 3d accel driver when using xf86-video-vesa
[19:34:04] <skunkworks> pcw_home, that zip seems to be corrupted..
[19:34:19] <skunkworks> (of the pid stepgen)
[19:34:33] <skunkworks> I did update the 7i80 (from windows..)
[19:35:09] <memleak> you can however have hardware 2d acceleration with software 3d accel such as xf86-video-ati paired with llvmpipe (my personal favorite)
[19:37:38] <memleak> uninstalling packages once you've hosed the 2d driver for the GPU is no longer necessary
[19:38:59] <eric_unterhausen> memleak, I no opengl would work
[19:39:16] <pcw_home> skunkworks: try refetching
[19:52:11] <skunkworks> Got it.
[19:52:19] <skunkworks> still triggers watchdog
[19:52:33] <pcw_home> weird
[19:52:39] <skunkworks> I'll say :)
[19:52:54] <skunkworks> again - I have to be doing something stupid
[19:53:25] <pcw_home> can you ping the 7I80 with 0 packet loss?
[19:53:46] <pcw_home> maybe there a power supply issue or something
[19:53:53] <pcw_home> there's
[19:54:29] <skunkworks> oh...
[19:54:47] <skunkworks> I am using a 5v charger for a cell phone..
[19:55:01] <skunkworks> but rtnet seemed to work.
[19:55:07] <skunkworks> let me measure the voltage
[19:55:47] <skunkworks> 5.08v
[19:59:40] <skunkworks> pcw_home,
[19:59:40] <skunkworks> --- 192.168.1.121 ping statistics ---
[19:59:40] <skunkworks> 115149 packets transmitted, 115149 received, 0% packet loss, time 115534ms
[19:59:40] <skunkworks> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.063/0.079/8.097/0.026 ms
[20:00:08] <pcw_home> all 5 loose MBs I have work for me: D525,D945GCLF,AMD E450,ASUS something and my desktop here
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[20:00:22] <skunkworks> well that sucks :)
[20:02:17] <pcw_home> Andy pughs d2800 also:
[20:02:18] <pcw_home> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HdikHRXnAs
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[20:05:26] <pcw_home> your max ping time indicates a problem 8 ms!
[20:07:30] <skunkworks> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.121: icmp_req=29097 ttl=64 time=8.09 ms
[20:07:58] <skunkworks> pcw_home, usb keyboard/mouse?
[20:08:20] <skunkworks> I have the audio, serial, printer port disabled in bios
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[20:08:25] <skunkworks> also lagacy usb
[20:08:29] <pcw_home> dont think so (I have USB mice on all my test systems)
[20:09:11] <memleak> eric_unterhausen, glxinfo?
[20:09:20] <skunkworks> I could try a different power supply for grins
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[20:12:43] <micges> skunkworks: bad eth cable?
[20:13:05] <skunkworks> I could try a different one
[20:15:46] <cradek> ping -f, and watching the terminal while jiggling things, can be useful
[20:16:17] <cradek> oh but you didn't have any drops, did you
[20:20:39] <kwallace> So far with Python and Gtk I have been massaging other people's programs or I've pasted code from programs that do what I want, but I seem to have hit an application that I can't find an example for.
[20:20:52] <kwallace> It may be fall down simple but I'm just not getting it yet. One example might be to use Glade to create a window and box, which I can do just fine, then add Mplayer into the box.
[20:21:12] <kwallace> The Mplayer command could be "mplayer tv://0". Does anyone have a link or keywords I can use to find out how to do this?
[20:21:36] <cradek> try xembed as a keyword that might help
[20:21:51] <kwallace> Thank you.
[20:22:19] <cradek> welcome
[20:23:12] <cradek> ooh, this looks useful for you:
https://code.google.com/p/pormplayer/
[20:23:52] <cradek> um, I mean, as a code example
[20:23:55] <cradek> y'know
[20:24:19] <skunkworks> different cable - different power supply. still bites
[20:24:38] <skunkworks> I ran the latency test for a few hours - peaked at about 70us
[20:25:46] <cradek> normally nobody cares one bit if an ethernet packet gets delayed by 8ms... wonder what all is lurking in ethernet cards.
[20:26:26] <skunkworks> pcw and I both have the same motherboards.. his 'suposidly' works ;)
[20:26:32] <cradek> skunkworks: [if you didn't check already] does ifconfig show overrun/framing/collision errors?
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[20:28:40] <skunkworks> zero errors, overruns, framing drops
[20:28:47] <cradek> collisions?
[20:29:12] <skunkworks> 0
[20:29:21] <skunkworks> that one was hiding..
[20:29:24] <cradek> huh
[20:29:45] <skunkworks> I have to be doing something wrong
[20:30:07] <skunkworks> I even disabled the network from the gui - then did a
[20:30:20] <skunkworks> sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1
[20:30:45] <cradek> personally I would not rule out network-manager screwing with it
[20:30:49] <cradek> that thing is obnoxious
[20:31:01] <skunkworks> can I uninstall that?
[20:31:15] <cradek> you have all normal wired interfaces?
[20:31:35] <skunkworks> I just have 1 - onboard
[20:31:46] <skunkworks> rtl61111 iirc
[20:31:57] <skunkworks> rtl6111
[20:32:11] <cradek> oh then sure, it's easy, apt-get remove --purge network-manager, then just specify your params in /etc/network/interfaces like normal
[20:32:57] <skunkworks> but peters works!
[20:33:15] <cradek> welllll
[20:33:20] <skunkworks> :)
[20:33:51] <cradek> you had one delay in 115149 tests?
[20:34:37] <cradek> i.e. .0008% of your packets had a problem
[20:35:03] <cradek> not seeing that problem on a different run or two is not very surprising
[20:35:34] <cradek> although in retrospect network-manager isn't going to break it so subtly I bet
[20:40:26] <skunkworks> max thread time is 830us..
[20:40:43] <skunkworks> did not help
[20:41:10] <cradek> how frequent is it? you have timestamps by your ping results
[20:42:00] <skunkworks> the second hal runs or the watchdog gets reset
[20:42:19] <skunkworks> if I increase the watchdog time out - say to 1 second - it last about 1 second
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[20:46:16] <micges> skunkworks: what kernel?
[20:46:35] <micges> newest rt-preempt from mah?
[20:50:52] <skunkworks> I think so
[20:53:12] <skunkworks> freeby.mesanet.com/hm2-pidstepper.zip
[20:53:20] <skunkworks> heh
[20:53:21] <skunkworks> Linux empire-OptiPlex-380 3.12.5-rt7mah #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Dec 19 18:57:34 CET 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[20:53:43] <skunkworks> I even for grins enabled hyperthreading... didn't help
[21:01:15] <skunkworks> bbl
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