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[00:00:19] <ju-emb> jgnoss@lcnc01:/home/seb$ sudo dpkg -i linux-headers-3.4.55-rtai-2_2_i386.deb
[00:00:21] <ju-emb> Selecting previously unselected package linux-headers-3.4.55-rtai-2.
[00:00:23] <ju-emb> (Reading database ... 169482 files and directories currently installed.)
[00:00:25] <ju-emb> Unpacking linux-headers-3.4.55-rtai-2 (from linux-headers-3.4.55-rtai-2_2_i386.deb) ...
[00:00:27] <ju-emb> Setting up linux-headers-3.4.55-rtai-2 (2) ...
[00:00:29] <ju-emb> Examining /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d.
[00:01:03] <seb_kuzminsky> what rtai-modules do you have? i bet the rtai-1 ones
[00:01:32] <seb_kuzminsky> dpkg -l 'rtai-modules*'
[00:02:17] <ju-emb> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[00:02:19] <ju-emb> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[00:02:21] <ju-emb> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[00:02:23] <ju-emb> ||/ Name Version Description
[00:02:25] <ju-emb> +++-===================-===================-======================================================
[00:02:27] <ju-emb> un rtai-modules-3.4.55 <none> (no description available)
[00:02:29] <ju-emb> ii rtai-modules-3.4.55 3.9-shabby-memleak- Real Time modules for linux-image-3.4.55-rtai-2
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[00:02:44] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, that looks right too
[00:07:20] <ju-emb> I checked, that there isn't anything installed related to the rtai-1
[00:08:35] <seb_kuzminsky> what do you get from 'ls -d /usr/realtime*'?
[00:09:49] <ju-emb> /usr/realtime-3.4.55-rtai-1
[00:10:01] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, that's the problem
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[00:10:44] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a bug in my new rtai-modules package
[00:11:29] <ju-emb> is it enough to rename it?
[00:12:39] <seb_kuzminsky> dont do that, it'll confuse the packaging system
[00:12:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm rebuilding the debian package now
[00:12:54] <ju-emb> OK
[00:13:57] <ju-emb> It's nice to be here working with you guys
[00:14:13] <seb_kuzminsky> re-fetch the rtai-modules...rtai-2 deb
[00:14:22] <seb_kuzminsky> dpkg --remove and dpkg --install it
[00:14:27] <seb_kuzminsky> then configure might work, maybe?
[00:14:30] <ju-emb> ok
[00:15:26] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
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[00:27:04] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, i'm back, for a bit
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[00:32:47] <ju-emb> resolving missing packages
[00:32:49] <ju-emb> do you know what GTK package to install
[00:33:11] <ju-emb> GTK2 missing
[00:34:07] <ju-emb> I make notes what packages I have to install in addition to a virgin ubuntu install
[00:34:31] <seb_kuzminsky> ju-emb: that should be already known
[00:34:38] <seb_kuzminsky> you can ask what you need this way:
[00:35:05] <seb_kuzminsky> cd debian; ./configure -a; cd ..; dpkg-checkbuilddeps
[00:35:32] <ju-emb> yeahh I forgot about that
[00:35:51] <seb_kuzminsky> easier than finding them one by one ;-)
[00:35:54] <ju-emb> I did that before
[00:38:01] <ju-emb> just as note:
[00:38:03] <ju-emb> ./configure -a
[00:38:05] <ju-emb> your kernel '3.4.55-rtai-2' is not known. There might be needed dependencies which won't get set automatically.
[00:38:07] <ju-emb> successfully configured for 'Ubuntu-12.04'-'3.4.55-rtai-2'..
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[00:38:48] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, that's sketchy-sounding but ok
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[00:42:10] <ju-emb> installing missing packages ...
[00:43:55] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
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[01:05:19] <ju-emb> building lcnc ...
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[01:22:03] <seb_kuzminsky> great!
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[01:44:34] <ju-emb> congrat's to seb:
[01:44:37] <ju-emb> http://imagebin.org/282209
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[02:26:37] <seb_kuzminsky> great!
[02:27:04] <seb_kuzminsky> but really memleak and shabby did all the heavy lifting :-)
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[02:33:47] <brianmorel> Is there any documentation for compiling / building on a remote system (not the system it will be installed on)?
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[02:55:44] <seb_kuzminsky> if the distro & binary arch is the same, you just build like usual
[02:56:20] <seb_kuzminsky> if tjey differ you need to build in a chroot or a virtual machine, or otherwise cross-compile
[02:56:45] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont think we have any real docs on these techniques
[03:01:22] <brianmorel> Ya, i'm trying to build it in my VM that I used to build the RTAI kernel. Right now I'm stuck because the configure script can't find version.h
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[08:10:11] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Morley 05master ac2b8a1 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/gscreen.py gscreen -add constants,verbose printing,generalize mode detection. * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac2b8a1
[08:10:12] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Morley 05master f35fab0 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/Submakefile 03src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/keybindings.py gscreen -add a generalized keybinding lookup code file * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=f35fab0
[08:10:12] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Morley 05master 6c716b0 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/gscreen.py gscreen -use the new keybinding code * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c716b0
[08:10:14] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Morley 05master 8712aaa 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/pncconf/pncconf.py pncconf -fix debug mode switch and a debug print error * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=8712aaa
[08:10:18] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Morley 05master d84cb00 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/gscreen.py gscreen - fix default jog increments, check for dialog handler * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d84cb00
[08:10:22] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Morley 05master c4118e3 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/gscreen_custom/gscreen_gaxis.ini 10share/gscreen/skins/gaxis/gaxis.glade 10share/gscreen/skins/gaxis/gaxis_handler.py gscreen gaxis -update Gaxis skin * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4118e3
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[15:47:11] <memleak> seb_kuzminsky, thanks for the credit :)
[15:47:24] <memleak> crediting.. credition.. ?
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[16:14:50] <seb_kuzminsky> blame
[16:15:29] <seb_kuzminsky> memleak: do you have an opinion on paolo's recent rtai 4.0 release?
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[17:59:46] <seb_kuzminsky> oops, i realized i made the rtai kernel package in a less than optimal way
[18:00:02] <seb_kuzminsky> i should have kept the package name the same and just bumped the package version number
[18:00:14] <seb_kuzminsky> i updated my build notes, hopefully i'll remember next time
[18:01:19] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: I installed your new kernel and rtai-2 modules, but cannot install the buildbot precise debs anymore, as they insist on rtai-1
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[18:21:39] <ju-emb> Seb is updating this(I think).We did the install yesterday from a temp build and it worked
[18:23:23] <cradek> yeah I'm installing build-deps now...
[18:24:47] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: it's partially because i messed up the version number on the new kernel package, and partially because linuxcnc's kernel dependency is versioned too strictly
[18:25:19] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm finishing testing the updated deb archive with the new kernel, then i'll push it to w.l.o, update the buildbot, rebuild, and things should be back to working
[18:25:27] <seb_kuzminsky> then i'll mail out something to the emc-users list asking people to test
[18:25:37] <seb_kuzminsky> now i'm glad i procrastinated asking people to test -rtai-1
[18:27:31] <cradek> weird, xubuntu installed without any swap
[18:27:45] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: I'll build from source and see what happens
[18:27:51] <seb_kuzminsky> ok
[18:27:52] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: thanks for fixing it up
[18:27:53] <seb_kuzminsky> should be fine
[18:28:09] <seb_kuzminsky> ju-emb tried it yesterday and it worked
[18:28:35] <ju-emb> my guys are hooking up the pc we did the install yesterday to a machine now
[18:28:43] <seb_kuzminsky> sweet! :-)
[18:28:49] <cradek> ju-emb: did your ATA start working with the new kernel rtai-2?
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[18:29:01] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, it was the initrd that you fixed for him
[18:29:05] <ju-emb> yes, all is perfect
[18:29:13] <cradek> that's a very good sign
[18:29:27] <cradek> I still had blinking-monitor syndrome with it, however
[18:29:29] <ju-emb> and it's pretty fast
[18:29:41] <cradek> so I put a panel on the dvi and it's working
[18:30:25] <ju-emb> that issue whit blinking monitor I know
[18:30:39] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i dont know what to do about that
[18:30:48] <ju-emb> the actual machine has a via GPU
[18:30:55] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe memleak has some ideas? he's our kernel guy now, i'm just the half-assed packager
[18:30:58] <cradek> it's probably just nvidia/nouveau breakage and my remedy is to not use their cards
[18:31:27] <ju-emb> exactly, it's a graphic driver problem
[18:31:29] <cradek> I'm not asking you to fix it - I don't think it's likely to be our breakage
[18:31:56] <ju-emb> nividia and ATI don't give out there sources or documentation
[18:32:16] <cradek> yeah, I know all about that misery
[18:32:18] <ju-emb> for the GPU's
[18:33:16] <seb_kuzminsky> i try to stay with 1-year-old intel hardware
[18:33:20] <ju-emb> if somebody has that problem with his on Board Chip set, best is to install another Graphic card
[18:34:49] <ju-emb> the new ones works well and the really old ones work well, it's just a few chip releases having that problem
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[18:42:55] <cradek> yay, finally building
[18:43:59] <seb_kuzminsky> cool
[18:44:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm pushing the new rtai kernel debs to the w.l.o deb archive now
[18:44:12] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, it just finished!
[18:44:42] <archivist> I had a couple of blinking monitor crashes on a Dell the other day, but its a free issue one I am working on and have another pc one to try
[18:45:02] <seb_kuzminsky> oh man, things are working so well this morning, for once no hairy yaks are stampeding across my projects
[18:45:16] <cradek> hey, I resent that
[18:45:36] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, the only hairy yak this morning is cradek
[18:45:38] <seb_kuzminsky> better?
[18:45:40] <cradek> yay
[18:45:42] <archivist> I resemble that
[18:46:18] <cradek> /usr/src/linux-headers-3.4.55-rtai-2/include/linux/types.h:13:2: warning: #warning "Attempt to use kernel headers from user space, see
http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelHeaders" [-Wcpp]
[18:46:25] <cradek> it sure does like giving this warning
[18:46:33] <seb_kuzminsky> only about 1e3 of them
[18:47:12] <ju-emb> there'll come a few more of them, but it works well
[18:47:15] <cradek> it'd be so nice if I could hook my stepper mill to the external port on the 5i25 and then make a panel with the touchy hard controls and hook it to the extra internal one
[18:47:29] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Todo-2.6, 1.2.7
[18:48:12] <cradek> aha
[18:48:19] <ju-emb> those warning are while builing hal
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[18:51:58] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build checkin
[18:51:59] <linuxcnc-build> build forced [ETA 1h30m32s]
[18:51:59] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[18:52:25] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, that's building on -rtai-2 on the precise rtai buildslave now
[18:52:40] <cradek> awesome
[18:54:26] <ju-emb> still don't know what all that means, but I try to get into it
[18:54:59] <seb_kuzminsky> ju-emb: you mean that compile warning? i think it's a bug in the rtai kernel headers
[18:55:27] <ju-emb> no I mean the workflow you guys have
[18:56:11] <ju-emb> all machines and tools you use
[18:56:42] <ju-emb> I mean the tools for building LCNC and the kernels
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[18:59:04] <seb_kuzminsky> oh i see
[18:59:04] <memleak> whats the kernel issue that you suggested i help with, seb_kuzminsky?
[18:59:20] <ju-emb> who mainly is doing the Python stuff here?
[18:59:33] <memleak> and i dont follow paolo's code anymore, so as for the rtai 4.0 release i have no clue
[18:59:54] <seb_kuzminsky> memleak: ok, bummer, i was hoping you guys would merge and cooperate, but i know what's not always easy or possible
[19:00:10] <memleak> seb_kuzminsky, i havent looked at RTAI in a few months
[19:00:17] <seb_kuzminsky> memleak:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Todo-2.6, issue number 1.2.7
[19:00:26] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a compile warning with the rtai kernel headers
[19:00:37] <memleak> i brought the project back to life then just stopped working on it and following it
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[19:01:25] <memleak> 1.2.7 is just RTAI clean up that needs to be done
[19:01:41] <seb_kuzminsky> it's an issue you know about? and you know the fix for? awesome :-)
[19:02:03] <memleak> RTAI is filled with warnings that are simply just warnings
[19:02:47] <memleak> the fix i dont know though, im sure i could figure it out given the time
[19:03:10] <memleak> the easy way would be to have -Wno-cpp enabled
[19:03:35] <memleak> magic.
[19:05:09] <memleak> hey what do you know! i did know how to fix it!
[19:05:49] <seb_kuzminsky> well, turning off the warning and fixing the thing it's warning about are different ;-)
[19:07:18] <memleak> is the warning telling us to use headers from userspace or that we are using headers from userspace and we shouldn't?
[19:10:00] <memleak> secondly does header userspace mean /lib/headers/ or /usr/src/linux/include ?
[19:13:23] <seb_kuzminsky> "Attempt to use kernel headers from user space"
[19:13:49] <seb_kuzminsky> so i guess a userspace program is including a header file that should only be used in kernel space
[19:14:08] <andypugh> Sounds like the imperative tense to me. But I bet it isn't.
[19:15:22] <seb_kuzminsky> i think kernel headers are often partially visible from user-space code, and i'm guessing the protection in that header is off a bit
[19:15:25] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe
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[19:17:36] <jepler> <linux/types.h> should refer to /usr/include/linux/types.h but it must not because we specify -I /usr/src/linux-headers-3.4.55-rtai-1/include
[19:17:43] <jepler> .. when building objects for userspace
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[19:18:08] <memleak> so all we do is remove the -I and the crap after it and its fixed?
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[19:18:39] <jepler> well .. someone probably put the -I for some reason
[19:19:03] <memleak> a lot of code in RTAI needs to be removed, i wouldnt put it past them
[19:19:57] <cradek> whee, my stepconf-generated config runs
[19:20:04] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: that sounds bogus
[19:20:08] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: that sounds awesome
[19:20:32] <memleak> seb_kuzminsky, that was funny
[19:20:35] <jepler> configure isn't clear about where the flag comes from
[19:21:14] <memleak> which version of RTAI are we talking about here? redo, master or tarballs?
[19:21:19] <jepler> I wonder if it is coming from rtai-config
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[19:22:01] <seb_kuzminsky> memleak: an old version of master from
https://github.com/ShabbyX/RTAI.git
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[19:22:16] <seb_kuzminsky> commit a0dc5355ee233032926dd23d1e132ef1befbbd76 to be exact
[19:22:33] <seb_kuzminsky> from early august
[19:23:05] <memleak> wow i havent checked that repo in months! damn that repo has been busy!
[19:23:08] <memleak> jeeze..
[19:23:54] <seb_kuzminsky> memleak: looks like just a dozen commits or so since then
[19:24:03] <seb_kuzminsky> on the master branch, i mean
[19:24:12] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, i guess one of those is a merge of magma...
[19:24:34] <jepler> OK, so the reason we have the kernel included in userspace is a 2007 commit by me
[19:24:54] <seb_kuzminsky> < jepler> well .. someone probably put the -I for some reason
[19:24:57] <jepler> 3f14f5e It is necessary to have the true kernel headers on my x86-64 machine
[19:25:22] <jepler> too bad I didn't explain any more than that :-/
[19:25:42] <memleak> its also necessary to have -ffast-math on my x86_64 machine btw therefor i need to modify the linuxcnc source code in order to compile anything on my end
[19:26:12] <jepler> consider adding a configure test for this condition
[19:26:16] <seb_kuzminsky> memleak: do you have a modern rtai kernel running on x86_64? that's cool...
[19:26:19] <jepler> that way you don't have to patch your source
[19:26:34] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
[19:27:07] <memleak> seb_kuzminsky, 3.4.67 was the latest i ever had going
[19:27:28] <memleak> bumping it to 3.4.74 (the latest in the 3.4 series) should be no problem at all
[19:27:40] <memleak> i doubt you'd even have one conflict
[19:28:23] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05jepler/try-no-kernel-headers e5ad357 06linuxcnc 10src/Makefile Revert "It is necessary to have the true kernel headers ..." * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5ad357
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[19:31:59] <cradek> darn, the splash screen isn't scaleable anymore. I was going to make a microscopic one.
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[19:32:29] <jepler> It was scalable?
[19:32:30] <memleak> heh
[19:32:41] <cradek> yeah, a while ago it was
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[19:42:48] <seb_kuzminsky> it still has a comment saying it's scalable
[19:43:22] <seb_kuzminsky> 2.6 todo item #25 ;-)
[19:46:24] <ju-emb> memleak: you have a RTAI running on x86_64 that's really cool
[19:46:48] <ju-emb> that I like to give a shot next
[19:55:38] <memleak> i was the first to get it going on 3.x kernels earlier this year
[19:55:53] <memleak> biggest pain ever but worth it i guess
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[19:58:16] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/precise-rtai-master.jpg
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[20:01:49] <skunkworks> cradek: what machine is that?
[20:01:57] <cradek> I did it on max
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[20:02:18] <cradek> I almost made it too big for the lowest power on my microscope
[20:02:26] <skunkworks> wow - I didn't know the max had that high of resolution..
[20:02:35] <cradek> yeah it's pretty good at small stuff
[20:03:13] <skunkworks> Neat!
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[20:05:29] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05master ca61881 06linuxcnc 10share/axis/images/axis.ngc Make the AXIS splash screen scaleable again * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca61881
[20:06:09] <cradek> it worked surprisingly well to point my phone at the microscope eyepiece
[20:06:44] <cradek> good work memleak and seb_kuzminsky and everyone else! it's going to work.
[20:06:47] <cradek> bbl
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[20:12:26] <jepler> cradek: nic
[20:12:27] <jepler> e
[20:12:36] <jepler> can we have a "smallest linuxcnc" contest now?
[20:13:22] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build checkin #1558 is complete: Success [3build successful]
[20:13:22] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1558
[20:15:43] <andypugh> I don't see any reason that LinuxCNC couldn't control an AFM.
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[20:41:31] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: i've often daydreamed about that too :-)
[20:41:57] <seb_kuzminsky> we have a guy at the hackspace who's built an stm before...
[20:54:13] <andypugh> If i was still working at Dage I think that LinuxCNC would be controlling x-ray microscopes.
[21:09:24] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I'll let you judge whether to merge jepler/try-no-kernel-headers after buildbot finishes chewing on it. It does seem to have gotten rid of those -Wcpp diagnostics in
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/precise-i386-realtime-rip/builds/759/steps/compile
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[21:20:41] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i see no reason not to, if all the slaves finish their work
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[22:19:19] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=v2.5_branch checkin
[22:19:28] <linuxcnc-build> The build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts
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[22:37:27] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm planning to mail this out to the emc-users list, any feedback first?
[22:37:29] <seb_kuzminsky> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
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[22:39:46] <cradek> trying it now
[22:40:48] <cradek> shouldn't the linuxcnc install pull in the kernel? I mean isn't #6 unnecessary?
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[22:43:24] <cradek> Recommended packages:
[22:43:24] <cradek> hostmot2-firmware
[22:43:33] <cradek> this isn't installable
[22:44:36] <seb_kuzminsky> i think you're right, 6 is superfluous
[22:44:47] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, hostmot2-firmware should be in w.l.o/precise/base
[22:45:00] <seb_kuzminsky> .... but it aint, wtf
[22:45:11] <cradek> on the CNC menu, clicking user manual gives me Error: no "view" mailcap rules found for type "application/pdf"
[22:45:54] <seb_kuzminsky> it's called hostmot2-firmware-all, not that other thing
[22:46:27] <cradek> E: Unable to locate package hostmot2-firmware-all
[22:47:11] <cradek> otoh, the linuxcnc package does install and run, yay
[22:47:58] <seb_kuzminsky> lucid and hardy have symlinks in base/binary-i386 pointing at binary-all for the firmware debs
[22:48:08] <seb_kuzminsky> i thought binary-all was sufficient
[22:48:45] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, no Packages file gets built for binary-all
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[22:49:11] <seb_kuzminsky> because it's missing from generate.conf
[22:49:27] <andypugh> I thought is was just some form of placeholder?
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[22:49:48] <seb_kuzminsky> no, it's real, for packages which can be installed on any architectures, with no dependency on the binary arch
[22:49:52] <seb_kuzminsky> such as firmare
[22:49:55] <seb_kuzminsky> firmware
[22:50:13] <andypugh> (I think that the package manager describes it as a meta-package)
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[22:56:38] <seb_kuzminsky> huh, that's funny, there is no binary-all in ubuntu
[22:56:45] <seb_kuzminsky> when did that go away? or did i imagine in?
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[23:00:32] <seb_kuzminsky> looks like debian 2.0 "hamm" was the last one to have a binary-all:
http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/hamm/main/
[23:00:42] <seb_kuzminsky> i guess i spaced out there for a while... since.. 1999
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[23:01:07] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, i'll just do for precise what we already do for lucid: symlink binary-all/* to binary-i386 and binary-amd64
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[23:08:59] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, now the hostmot2-firmware-* packages are available, but none of the Provide hostmot2-firmware, so the linuxcnc Recommends is not fulfillable
[23:09:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i think this is not a precise bug or a master bug, i think it's in 2.5 as well, for older distros as well
[23:10:49] <cradek> well crap...
[23:11:01] <cradek> should we fix it or ignore it?
[23:11:07] <seb_kuzminsky> though the fact we didnt notice until now makes me think i'm wrong
[23:13:27] <seb_kuzminsky> i guess the easy thing to do would be to make a commit in 2.5 to change the Recommends to hostmot2-firmware-all
[23:14:35] <seb_kuzminsky> it'll pull in... 4.4 megs of firmware, on top of the ~12 MB of linuxcnc + docs, so no big deal there
[23:14:43] <seb_kuzminsky> and it's a one-time download
[23:15:07] <seb_kuzminsky> so that'd be my recommendation
[23:16:33] <seb_kuzminsky> also, about your earlier comment on having the install instructions not install the kernel explicitly...
[23:16:55] <seb_kuzminsky> i think i prefer to do it explicitly, so we can reboot after that step and make sure linuxcnc will run after the later install step
[23:17:28] <cradek> oh ok
[23:17:37] <cradek> I don't have any strong feelings about it
[23:18:25] <seb_kuzminsky> if you want, i'll make the change in 2.5 and merge it to master
[23:18:35] <seb_kuzminsky> about the hostmot2-firmware vs -all
[23:19:10] <cradek> please
[23:19:13] <seb_kuzminsky> ok
[23:23:10] <seb_kuzminsky> oh no!
[23:23:27] <seb_kuzminsky> hostmot2-firmware-all is buggy! it's missing all its dependencies, so it doesnt install anything :-(
[23:23:41] <seb_kuzminsky> le sigh
[23:23:56] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, i've got to go, i'll deal with this later :-/
[23:24:07] <cradek> arg
[23:29:48] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/tool-length-sensor.jpg
[23:33:06] <jepler> did you notice that before or after jamming a tool down onto it?
[23:33:33] <cradek> uh-oh, notice what?
[23:33:40] <cradek> (it works...)
[23:34:40] <cradek> someone asked me about it and I finally took a picture, that's all
[23:34:53] <seb_kuzminsky> if you use a large diameter cutter, can yyou hit the shcs?
[23:35:16] <cradek> haha if I could put a 1" end mill in my 1/8" spindle, possibly
[23:35:21] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[23:35:41] <cradek> that huuuuuge SHCS is 1/4-20
[23:36:37] <seb_kuzminsky> hostmot2.git/debian/control misspelled Depends as Requires
[23:36:50] <cradek> !!
[23:36:54] <cradek> so you found it already :-)
[23:40:11] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, i pushed a commit to hostmot2-firmware.git, we'll see if this works...
[23:40:42] <cradek> go buildbot go
[23:41:17] <skunkworks> it is always something!
[23:41:19] <skunkworks> ;)
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[23:42:21] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i think the hostmot2 git repo didnt poke the hm2 buildbot correctly
[23:42:29] <seb_kuzminsky> can you check the post-receive hook?
[23:42:30] <jepler> cradek: it looked like the right solder connection had come loose
[23:42:46] <jepler> cradek: but I assumed there was something going wrong because immediately before you'd said "arg"
[23:43:07] <seb_kuzminsky> he was arghing about the hostmot2 packages i think
[23:43:19] <jepler> oh
[23:43:29] <seb_kuzminsky> it might be on my side, i probably forgot to poke a hole in the new firewall for the hm2 buildbot
[23:43:34] <jepler> I should say, I thought I'd committed a fix for that problem an age ago
[23:43:45] <jepler> the dependency problem
[23:43:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i didnt see a fix for it in hm2.git master
[23:44:09] <jepler> it rang a bell anyway
[23:44:21] <jepler> probably someone told me and then I imagined fixing it
[23:44:22] <andypugh> I have known for a long time that hostmot2-firmware-all doesn't install anything. I just assumed that it was meant to be like that, and it was my ignorance that meant I couldn't figure out the point of it.
[23:44:22] <jepler> :-/
[23:44:44] <jepler> I'll go away again now
[23:44:45] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: oops fixed
[23:44:54] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: I had a bug too
[23:45:09] <seb_kuzminsky> you're ahead of me in bug-fixing
[23:45:10] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: 5133
[23:45:19] <seb_kuzminsky> heh, 5-13-3, e-m-c
[23:45:45] <seb_kuzminsky> no, it's supposed to be 8132, h-m-2
[23:45:54] <seb_kuzminsky> 5133 is the linuxcnc buildbot
[23:46:02] <seb_kuzminsky> and my firewall is wrong
[23:46:57] <cradek> oops you're right, 8132
[23:47:10] <andypugh> The Synaptic Package manager description of hostmot2-firmware-all says "This is an empty package that depends on tall the separately packaged firmware images". So I had assumed that it wasn't meant to install anything, being empty, and all that.
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[23:48:27] <seb_kuzm1nsky> ok im back
[23:50:10] <seb_kuzm1nsky> hm2-buildmaster_: force build
[23:50:10] <hm2-buildmaster_> you must provide a Builder, try 'force build [--branch=BRANCH] [--revision=REVISION] [--props=PROP1=VAL1,PROP2=VAL2...] <WHICH> <REASON>'
[23:50:23] <cradek> I think I can poke the hook
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[23:50:58] <cradek> ?
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[23:52:59] <cradek> hope he's making his changes from inside the firewall...
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[23:56:57] <cradek> bbl
