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[02:04:15] <skunkworks> cool - thanks mah
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[07:01:04] <dgarr> i'm having a problem with git am -- it seems to be related to a recent commit, notes,transcript:
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/git_am.log
[07:01:34] <dgarr> suggestions appreciated, bbl
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[08:21:36] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: 88f0d removed plasma-thc, but left plasma-thc-sim, so your clone looks correct to me
[08:22:09] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm not sure about those am conflicts...
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[11:27:14] <memleak> Tor doesn't do much without obfsproxy and the "hide the fact I'm using Tor from my ISP" option checked
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[12:57:24] <skunkworks> alex_joni, didn't you have a new 3d_chips gcode that was a bit more detailed?
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[13:24:25] <dgarr> $ git log --oneline -10|grep 88f0d5c
[13:24:25] <dgarr> 88f0d5c Configs: remove old plasma config that is too complicated this config has many issues and is not supported by the author.
[13:24:31] <dgarr> 88f0d5c: removed (for example): configs/plasma-thc/SheetCam/SheetCamEMCPlasma.post
[13:24:31] <dgarr> but: $ git ls-files configs/plasma-thc-sim/*.post
[13:24:31] <dgarr> configs/plasma-thc-sim/SheetCam/SheetCamEMCPlasma.post
[13:25:21] <dgarr> so i don't understand why files removed by 88f0d5c are still in place and shown by git ls-files ?
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[13:33:40] <dgarr> also: $ git log --reverse configs/plasma-thc-sim/SheetCam/SheetCamEMCPlasma.post
[13:33:40] <dgarr> does not show 88f0d5c
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[13:45:16] <dgarr> oh -- now i see what seb said: plasma-thc-sim SIM SIM SIM is still supposed to be there , not awake yet
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[15:27:56] <dgarr> ok -- i believe i have isolated the problem i am seeing with configs/plasma-thc-sim/SheetCam/* . When i try to 'git mv' the .post,.scpost files, the resulting patch will not apply
[15:28:04] <dgarr> session transcript:
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/mv_test.log
[15:28:23] <dgarr> i imagine the problem relates to the dos line terminations in the files
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[15:33:00] <jepler> dgarr: afaik the 'git format-patch' + 'git am' workflow doesn't work well with files which aren't proper text files :-/
[15:33:11] <jepler> what are .post / .scpost files anyway?
[15:34:04] <dgarr> i have no idea -- some SheetCam files. i'veused git am like this before, what is an alternate workflow to mv these files
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[15:35:20] <dgarr> i get the same failure using 'git mv thesefiles' or 'git rm thesefiles'
[15:36:54] <jepler> the other problem here is that these files contain code which has no gpl-compatible license and which notes it's based on other work which was almost certainly not intended to be GPLv2-compatibly licensed :-(
[15:40:10] <cradek> odd, I can just git rm them, and git commit
[15:40:42] <jepler> dgarr: if you really want to do this by a "git am" workflow, you can try git am --keep-cr
[15:40:43] <dgarr> but can you make a patch that applies to a fresh branch from that commit?
[15:40:49] <jepler> as suggested by
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6289001/git-am-format-patch-control-format-of-line-endings
[15:41:12] <jepler> dgarr: I think maybe cradek was suggesting that he could fix the problem by just removing the files and "git push"ing; not that he didn't reproduce your problem...
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[15:41:58] <cradek> I was testing the "i get the same results trying to remove the files with git rm *.post" which was the most surprising to me
[15:42:26] <cradek> but I see now you mean followed by making the patch
[15:42:29] <jepler> cradek: oh I assumed git rm ; git commit ; git format-patch ; git am was the whole workflow
[15:42:32] <jepler> (switching mv to rm)
[15:42:35] <cradek> right, sorry
[15:42:53] <cradek> dgarr: do you want me to just remove them for you?
[15:43:00] <jepler> OK, well, *I*'m tempted to solve the problem by simply pushing removal of the files with no permission to distribute
[15:43:08] <cradek> yes
[15:43:39] <dgarr> getting rid of them in any way would be helpful to me
[15:44:02] <cradek> jepler: in 2.5 branch
[15:44:51] <cradek> ... there are two copies of each
[15:45:46] <jepler> dgarr: you might also use "git format-patch -M -C" to directly represent the renames. it makes for a substantially smaller patch too
[15:46:18] <jepler> (I suppose the reason that's not the default is that standard gnu patch can't handle the result?)
[15:48:08] <jepler> cradek: are you saying I have your approval to remove those 4 files in v2.5_branch?
[15:48:40] <cradek> yes, I see no reason to believe we can distribute them
[15:48:46] <jepler> OK, I'll do that
[15:48:50] <cradek> thanks
[15:50:28] <dgarr> ok : -M -C worked for me -- those are very useful options -- thanks to cradek,seb_kuzminsky, jepler for helping
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[15:51:28] <cradek> and thanks for teaching me another reason to be vigilant about those stupid line endings
[15:51:41] <dgarr> if you remove the files in v2.5_branch, how soon will master be updated?
[15:51:54] <cradek> jepler could do the merge immediately
[15:52:02] <jepler> dgarr: I'll do the merge to master branch as well. Unless there are ugly conflicts, I should have it done within the hour.
[15:52:23] <dgarr> thanks!
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[16:02:21] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05v2.5_branch 450b0fc 06linuxcnc 04configs/plasma-thc-sim/SheetCam/SheetCamEMCPlasma.post 04configs/plasma-thc-sim/SheetCam/SheetCamEMCPlasma.scpost 04configs/plasma-thc/SheetCam/SheetCamEMCPlasma.post 04configs/plasma-thc/SheetCam/SheetCamEMCPlasma.scpost configs: remove files with no permission to distribute * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=450b0fc
[16:02:21] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 9f59d5e 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gcode/gcode.txt 10docs/src/index.tmpl 10docs/src/index_fr.tmpl 10src/emc/task/emccanon.cc Merge branch 'v2.5_branch' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f59d5e
[16:02:33] <jepler> surprise of the morning: the second 'gitk' shows more commits than the first one
[16:02:36] <jepler> $ gitk 57e44d0..9f59d5e bfb837e..450b0fc
[16:02:38] <jepler> $ gitk 57e44d0..9f59d5e
[16:03:04] <cradek> jepler: aside from waiting for skunkworks to find more flakyness, is there a way to verify all those initializers in that c++ change I don't understand?
[16:04:14] <jepler> cradek: you can try to go field by field and make sure all of them are listed
[16:04:30] <jepler> you could run rs274 under valgrind; it might have reported that this one was uninitialized
[16:04:45] <cradek> ooh that sounds smart
[16:04:54] <jepler> it's not strictly a bug to not initialize all fields in the constructor
[16:05:09] <jepler> e.g., if you have an array and a count, setting the count to 0 might make it redundant to set all the elements in the array to zero
[16:05:12] <jepler> bbl
[16:13:39] <dgarr> this is what i'm trying to accomplish bygit mving files around:
http://youtu.be/EM6dBd4pS0Y
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[16:14:59] <cradek> I appreciate you working on the first-run-is-not-weird goal
[16:15:34] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder if coverity would squawk about uninitialized fields. i know it catches many kinds of "use before initialization" problems
[16:15:51] <seb_kuzminsky> i checked our clang results, and clang did *not* complain about it :-(
[16:16:13] <seb_kuzminsky> on an unrelated note, something cool happened at the boulder hackspace last night
[16:16:37] <seb_kuzminsky> i got there kind of late, as i usually do, and everyone was crowded around the cnc mill that we recently got running
[16:17:20] <seb_kuzminsky> one of the guys had machined a bottle opener out of aluminum sheet (1/8" plate), from a dxf he found online
[16:17:34] <seb_kuzminsky> the interesting part is this:
https://github.com/shapeoko/makercam
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[16:17:50] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a fairly capable open-source 2.5d cam program
[16:17:58] <cradek> !
[16:18:13] <seb_kuzminsky> i was really excited, until i noticed it's written in flash
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[16:19:32] <cradek> ... but that makes no sense
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[16:29:01] <skunkworks> wait - Am I tasked at finding all these odd errors?
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[16:34:27] <jepler> skunkworks: it's kind of you to offer!
[16:34:41] <cradek> yeah that's awesome
[16:35:01] <skunkworks> heh
[16:35:06] * archivist counts the votes 2 for 0 against
[16:35:15] <archivist> carried
[16:41:43] <JT-Shop> dgarr: the config picker is simple and easy to navigate now! I love it!
[16:45:29] <dgarr> good -- we'll have to see how many configs i've broken
[16:47:06] <jepler> dgarr: what causes "sim" to appear first? is an order for sample configs hardcoded or something?
[16:48:01] <dgarr> modified pickconfig.tcl to reorder according to a hard coded preferred list -- intended to put guis with most support at top
[16:48:38] <jepler> will someone adding a new sample configuration need to edit pickconfig.tcl then?
[16:49:39] <dgarr> no, it would appear according to the preferred order, changing the preferred order would require change to pickconfig.tcl, i'm open to other suggestions for altering order
[16:50:28] <jepler> did you link your patch somewhere above?
[16:51:16] <dgarr> patch is not ready until i fix the mess i made due to those SheetCam files, maybe tomorrow
[16:51:23] <jepler> OK
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[16:57:05] <dgarr> i think i would like to make a configs/atic (as cradek mentioned) for obsolete or declining-usage files. I need a suggestion for particular configs to put there as a starting basis
[17:00:26] <cradek> IMO everything is attic (and I think attic should not be available in the config picker, only installed for reference) unless it's for widely used and currently available hardware and NOT simple stepconf-style setups
[17:01:24] <seb_kuzminsky> that sounds right
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[17:02:07] <seb_kuzminsky> the configs in the configpicker are really only to help noobs on their first few runs, after that they'll run their own customized configs
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[17:03:23] <cradek> so remaining are a sim for each well-supported gui, hm2 samples, pico samples, GM samples (they're new?), and current manufacturer-specific configs like smithy?
[17:05:23] <cradek> oh tormach configs might be current too
[17:06:22] <cradek> manufacturer-maintained might belong in their own subtree? they are meant to work as-is for a particular machine, which is pretty different from the rest of them
[17:11:23] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe a 'vendor/' subtree?
[17:11:50] <seb_kuzminsky> vendor/{smithy,tormach,sherline,...}
[17:12:22] <cradek> that sounds fine to me
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[17:14:06] <skunkworks> would mesa/pico be under that?
[17:14:23] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont think so
[17:14:33] <jepler> I think what they are proposing is intended to apply to whole machines, not driver boards
[17:14:43] <skunkworks> ok
[17:14:45] <seb_kuzminsky> right
[17:17:13] <dgarr> if you look at the video, the top categories i made are: sim (always runnable), by_interface(mesa,pico,...),by_machine(smithy,tormach,...),complex_examples(didnt fit anywhere else) its going to be difficult tosatisfy everyone, i will have a patch in a day or so
[17:18:08] <cradek> ah ok, it sounds like you are already making the distinctions I think are important, cool
[17:18:15] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: i missed it, where's the video?
[17:18:21] <jepler> http://youtu.be/EM6dBd4pS0Y
[17:19:20] <cradek> this is a bike shed, and I trust your judgment, thanks for tackling it
[17:19:25] <seb_kuzminsky> that looks great dgarr!
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[17:20:14] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, isnt sim/remap examples of how to do gcode remapping? that sounds useful, but maybe doesn't belong in that spot?
[17:21:43] <cradek> there is a basic question of what are the sim configs for, and I don't have the answer
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[17:22:17] <dgarr> my take, is a config that is runnable on a machine with no specific hw requirements (including parport), it is a candidate for a sim
[17:22:49] <dgarr> in that view, runnable remap configs would be great as sim configs
[17:23:19] <dgarr> bbl
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[17:26:30] <seb_kuzminsky> remap's not really its own thing, imo
[17:26:56] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe some/all of the sim configs should use some remapping, and remove remap as its own sim configs
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[17:32:21] <cradek> sim configs have at least two purposes: to let you play with a demo before configuring anything, and as documentation/tutorials for finicky-to-configure features like remapping
[17:32:40] <cradek> are there others aside from remap that are the tutorial type?
[17:34:53] <cradek> some are/were for testing features, like axis/random_tc, and could just be removed because they serve neither purpose
[17:34:58] <seb_kuzminsky> classicladder/cl-estop
[17:35:06] <cradek> aha yep
[17:35:23] <cradek> demo_*_cl
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[18:02:13] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 05master ac75df9 06linuxcnc 10lib/python/gladevcp/combi_dro.py Combi_DRO - shows warnings invalid font-size * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac75df9
[18:02:13] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 05master 1c688dd 06linuxcnc 10share/gscreen/skins/gmoccapy/gmoccapy.glade 10share/gscreen/skins/gmoccapy/gmoccapy_handler.py 10share/gscreen/skins/gmoccapy/release_notes.txt gmoccapy_0_9_9_4 - fixed some warnings * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c688dd
[18:02:13] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 05master 50c7659 06linuxcnc Merge branch 'master' of ssh://norbert@git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=50c7659
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[18:13:08] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek, dgarr: also halui_pyvcp
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[18:47:25] <skunkworks> Old TP 2:37:42 New TP 1:38:49
[18:47:32] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/internet.ngc
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[18:47:42] <skunkworks> (named because I found it on the internet...
[18:47:43] <skunkworks> )
[18:47:54] <skunkworks> that is with g64p.005
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[18:48:24] <skunkworks> (still can't run strait g64 with the new tp - but I think he said he had a handle on it..
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[18:54:40] <seb_kuzminsky> that's an impressive increase in cutting speed
[18:54:58] <seb_kuzminsky> has anyone looked at robert's code yet? i haven't
[18:55:37] <skunkworks> 533228 line program
[18:56:00] <skunkworks> I have :) (but I just stare blankly)
[18:57:21] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[18:57:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i would like to keep that change out of master until we make the 2.6 branch, then it can go in (if it's ready)
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[19:14:15] <skunkworks> looks like the read-ahead depth is set to 40 at the moment. That seems like more than enough for most thinggs
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[19:37:40] <skunkworks> cradek, this is a program that steveP was complaining about. I finally ran it to see
[19:37:41] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/steve.ngc
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[19:40:36] <skunkworks> It is pretty hurky jurky. Mach seems to keep the velocity at 3600 throughout the curve while linuxcnc dip pretty far at each endpoints.
[19:40:56] <skunkworks> (short enough to stay under the 500 line limit) ;)
[19:46:01] <skunkworks> I wonder if those arc-line, line-arc transitions are tangent...
[19:48:09] <skunkworks> I am wondering because tort.ngc runs about the same between linuxcnc and mach. I wonder if mach has a special case for tangent arcs that maybe we could also have in the new TP. Check to see if the arc is tangent to the line then if it is - then figure out the velocity that can be tranistioned to the arc
[19:48:48] <skunkworks> I might not know what I am talking about
[19:50:21] <jepler> isn't that part of what robert's code is doing?
[19:52:04] <skunkworks> not at the moment. He is just working with line segments. arcs are harder it sounds like
[19:53:16] <skunkworks> the steve.ngc program actually runs just a bit faster with the current TP vs roberts. (as do other mixed line/arc programs)
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[22:10:41] <skunkworks> logger[mah]:
[22:10:41] <logger[mah]> skunkworks: Log stored at
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[23:38:10] <alex_joni> skunkworks: nope
[23:38:35] <alex_joni> or at least I don't remember :)
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[23:41:11] <alex_joni> skunkworks: err.. it seems I did
[23:41:19] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.upt.ro/~juve/emc/tux/
[23:41:21] <alex_joni> this one?
[23:42:57] <alex_joni> wow.. 2006 :)
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