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[05:59:09] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05v2.5_branch 74560f4 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/common/Glossary.txt docs: update realtime info * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=74560f4
[05:59:10] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05v2.5_branch 33e8cb6 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/common/emc-history.txt docs: fix a broken link to nist.gov * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=33e8cb6
[05:59:10] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05v2.5_branch 64cba06 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/common/emc-history.txt docs: fix a broken link to pico-systems.com * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=64cba06
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[14:33:58] <JT_Shop> seb_kuzminsky, that was the link on the Documents page of linuxcnc.org
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[14:51:03] <seb_kuzminsky> JT_Shop: oh, in *that* part...
[14:51:05] <seb_kuzminsky> oops
[14:52:22] <seb_kuzminsky> you fixed the links from the Documentation page, it looks like, so thanks!
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[15:20:27] <JT_Shop> seb_kuzminsky, yes I fixed them
[15:21:07] <JT_Shop> somewhere along the line the link changed to add 2.5 in the link
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[15:26:10] <ju-emb> Seb: I read somewhere you use the 3.5 RTAI kernel on a machine,
[15:26:12] <ju-emb> what video hardware is on that board?
[15:26:14] <ju-emb> I ask because I got problems running my video hardware on kernel above 3.2
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[15:38:27] <seb_kuzminsky> it's some on-board intel video, i'm not sure which
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[15:40:29] <seb_kuzminsky> it's actually linux 3.4.55, not 3.5
[15:45:37] <seb_kuzminsky> ju-emb: it's here if you want to try it:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/seb/rtai-for-3.4-prerelease/
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[15:53:29] <ju-emb> Seb: I tried it and it worked out of the box.
[15:53:31] <ju-emb> But the on board ATI Video chipset doesn't like the kernel.
[15:53:33] <ju-emb> that problem I had before, I now that
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[16:50:29] <seb_kuzminsky> ju-emb: please open a bug report at
http://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/, include the output of 'uname -a' and 'dmesg' and 'lspci -nnvv', and anything else you think might be helpful for us to debug the problem
[16:53:54] <ju-emb> Thanks Seb: but that's not necessary, this problem is known and the ubuntu team is working on it.
[16:53:56] <ju-emb> The reason is that ATI doesn't give their GPU code away, so the Ubuntu guys try to get a workaround
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[16:59:32] <jepler> this looks sane if somebody wants to push it: [PATCH] Added a set_mdi_mode axisui pin.
[16:59:37] <jepler> (from mailing list)
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[17:08:46] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: cradek raised an objection on the list about that patch
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[17:16:43] <cradek> I don't know what problem it's trying to solve, so I don't know if using halui is inadequate for some reason
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[17:18:41] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm pleased that the 'contributing to linuxcnc' document is getting positive feedback :-)
[17:18:46] <cradek> I feel like lately we're getting a lot of requests to add redundant things, losing sight of the hal model of attaching blocks together, and I think we should be on guard, because it's devastatingly hard to clean that kind of thing up once people are using it
[17:19:34] <cradek> I'm pleased by that too
[17:19:37] <cradek> it must be just right
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[17:27:04] <jepler> cradek: the change lets you use a hardware buton to switch the active tab in AXIS to MDI. We already incorporated a patch to do the same for switching to manual tab.
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[17:30:37] <cradek> oh it's for switching tabs, not modes, ok. but I am still not sure what the use case is where that is important.
[17:30:39] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek, jepler: not now, but soon, will one of you teach me how to update the deb archive at w.l.o? i want to add the 3.4 rtai kernel so it'll get wider testing, & so the buildbot can use it to build debs
[17:31:38] <cradek> I bet one of us will have to do it for you
[17:32:41] <cradek> how to handle that very important key is an open question in our brave new world, comrade
[17:34:03] <seb_kuzminsky> ah yes
[17:37:19] <jepler> either we should incorporate this one or go back in time and remove the existing pin
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[17:42:52] <cradek> I retract my objection because of the appeal of symmetry and lack of a time machine. But I also notice from reading his later question that adding this pin is not a complete solution to his problem, which might actually be better solved by using halui
[17:43:47] <cradek> jepler: do you want to meet for lunch?
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[17:50:32] <jepler> cradek: no, I've made plans with someone else for lunch today.
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[18:11:07] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: come to boulder for lunch?
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[18:18:00] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: too late... already sitting down in the coffee shop. in lincoln.
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[18:21:06] <seb_kuzminsky> and still plugged into #linuxcnc-devel - that's dedication ;-)
[18:21:30] <cradek> the curse of the rectangle
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[20:01:26] <Tom_itx> http://codinghorror.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a85dcdae970b0128776ff992970c-pi
[20:01:29] <Tom_itx> (tm)
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[20:34:27] <cradek> I built master for sim/rip and gmoccapy doesn't run for me
[20:35:08] <cradek> oh, neither does AXIS, wtf
[20:35:16] <cradek> _tkinter.TclError: can't find package Img
[20:35:31] <cradek> dpkg-checkbuilddeps says nothing
[20:36:32] <cradek> on debian 7.2 x86_64
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[20:50:40] <seb_kuzminsky> i think debian gets the default package dependencies in debian/configure, maybe that's wrong?
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[20:51:25] <seb_kuzminsky> there's a whole bunch of packages that get depended on on just about every ubuntu distro, that are missing from the debian distros
[20:57:42] <cradek> Debian-testing|Debian-[67].[0-9]*)
[20:57:59] <cradek> there's some special handling of this version (right or wrong I have no idea)
[21:02:57] <cradek> I do already have all those EXTRA_BUILD packages
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[21:10:12] <seb_kuzminsky> you need libtk-img, maybe?
[21:11:29] <seb_kuzminsky> which is part of the standard dependencies in control.in, not one of the ones debian/configure adds
[21:11:32] <seb_kuzminsky> strange
[21:12:06] <cradek> yep, that package fixes it
[21:12:11] <cradek> thanks for debugging for me :-/
[21:14:29] <seb_kuzminsky> is it not in your debian/control?
[21:14:56] <cradek> er, yes it is
[21:16:17] <cradek> under Package: linuxcnc-sim
[21:16:38] <cradek> how does dpkg-checkbuilddeps know what Package to check for?
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[21:18:59] <seb_kuzminsky> here's what's going on
[21:19:10] <seb_kuzminsky> builddeps are per source package, and there's only one per debian directory
[21:19:21] <seb_kuzminsky> you're missing a runtime dependency (which is per binary package)
[21:19:56] <cradek> OH of course, it's in Depends:, not Build-Depends
[21:20:06] <cradek> sorry, I wasn't paying attention
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[21:21:06] <seb_kuzminsky> the control file doesnt know what runtime dependencies are required until you build it into a .deb
[21:21:23] <seb_kuzminsky> since it does things like check .so dependencies etc and inserts that into the control file
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[21:30:16] <andypugh> Hi Seb. Just having a look to see if enabling table-based stepgens in Hostmot2 is hard. It seems that enabling it is easy, but working out which pins the outputs appear on will be rather less easy.
[21:31:01] <cradek> now AXIS works, but gmoccapy still doesn't
[21:31:21] <seb_kuzminsky> hi andypugh
[21:32:43] <andypugh> cradek: Nornert was looking for a pusher earlier today on the forum, his usual pushers are out of town.
[21:32:55] <cradek> I gave him direct push access earlier today
[21:33:00] <andypugh> Ah, OK.
[21:33:25] <cradek> TypeError: integer argument expected, got float
[21:33:34] <cradek> now we're getting down to the things that installing packages won't fix
[21:33:50] <andypugh> I wonder how long it will be before Russell is wanting push access?
[21:34:02] <cradek> who's Russell?
[21:34:17] <cradek> No such file "/usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/dialog-question.ogg"
[21:34:21] <andypugh> Russell Brown, he's emailed a couple of patches to the mailing list
[21:34:23] <cradek> yargh it's trying to do very silly things
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[21:34:55] <seb_kuzminsky> whoops
[21:35:04] <cradek> oh ok, the one who's sent AXIS patches
[21:35:08] <seb_kuzminsky> (@ /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu...)
[21:35:24] <cradek> he's very new
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[21:36:05] <cradek> cmorley said norbert's changes don't need review anymore; he generally just pushes them
[21:37:51] <andypugh> cradek: Aye, I was just speculating. He is also _very_ into Linux, and owns a software company. (And is a good friend of mine)
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[21:45:42] <seb_kuzminsky> are you two talking about norbert or russell brown?
[21:45:59] <cradek> both, sorta
[21:46:26] <cradek> norbert has been working for ages and shows long-term committment
[21:46:34] <cradek> russell has sent one (?) patch
[21:46:40] <cradek> these are very different situations :-)
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[21:55:46] <andypugh> Yes, I was merely speculating on how long Russell would resist diving in. But then I know him better than the rest of you.
[21:55:48] <andypugh> :-)
[21:56:22] <cradek> then you should tell him about the tool table
[21:56:30] <andypugh> I was absolutely not nominating him for push stuffs.
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[21:57:30] <cradek> man, russell, I was working on this tool table thing and it's interesting but pretty complex - I'm afraid it might be a bit too hard for me to figure out.
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[22:37:39] <andypugh> A cunning plan :-)
[22:38:14] <andypugh> I think I know at least several ways to do it now. I just need to pick one. :-)
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[23:27:22] <andypugh> I wonder if it ever makes sense to have different step patterns for different stepgens?
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[23:28:06] <andypugh> I guess there is no reason to prevent it, it is just more copy-paste work for the (very rare) integrator who needs table-based stepgen.
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[23:46:30] <andypugh> Is this too ugly? Would a loop with mods be preferable?
http://codepad.org/0bHLfKvy
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