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[00:06:53] <jepler> yay.
[00:07:45] <jepler> cradek: I fixed the doc building for debian jessie base on v2.5 branch. it involved changing thhhe listed bjild-deps.
[00:08:17] <jepler> the listed build-deps. should I keep hands off of v2.5 and just fix master?
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[01:16:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05master 2d12a18 06linuxcnc 10configs/ 10hm2-servo/7i43-big.ini 10hm2-servo/7i43-small.ini 10hm2-stepper/7i43-big.ini 10hm2-stepper/7i43-small.ini * hm2 sample configs: use correct firmware filenames
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[01:22:53] <cradek> are you talking about 4d17643 or all four of them?
[01:23:44] <cradek> did you look at the output for french and spanish and it's better? if you looked at the output and the buildbot doesn't complain, I think putting it in 2.5 is a good idea
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[01:58:06] <jepler> cradek: I suppose I should look at the output :-P
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[02:06:39] <jepler> hm, I spoke too soon. I don't know why I didn't notice it before, but at least one doc still fails to build here :-/
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[02:34:25] <jepler> linuxcnc-build: watch checkin
[02:34:25] <linuxcnc-build> watching build checkin #1436 until it finishes [1h15m30s]..
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[02:51:31] <linuxcnc-build> build #1435 of precise-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
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[03:09:11] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm finishing up the support for the 7i90 (epp anyio board, 3 standard 50-pin io connectors, firmware is not runtime loadable)
[03:09:30] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a lot like the 7i43, except you can't program the fpga firmware easily
[03:10:06] <seb_kuzminsky> i've split out the epp code from hm2_7i43 and put it in a separate kernel module, so it can be shared between hm2_7i43 and hm2_7i90
[03:10:17] <seb_kuzminsky> (and any other epp-using driver, if they want)
[03:10:23] <seb_kuzminsky> it's working fine in my local branch
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[03:10:36] <seb_kuzminsky> any feedback/comments before i push it to master?
[03:11:03] <jepler> so the modest danger is that you affected 7i43 in a negative way while doing this?
[03:11:12] <jepler> is it convenient for you to at least check that 7i43 still loads?
[03:11:12] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
[03:11:25] <seb_kuzminsky> i've blinked leds with the 7i43 and the 7i90 both
[03:11:39] <andypugh> Great work.
[03:11:46] <jepler> also hal file changes for anyone using 7i43?
[03:11:58] <seb_kuzminsky> +loadrt epp
[03:12:26] <seb_kuzminsky> err, that's the only diff needed for existing 7i43 users ^^^
[03:12:27] <jepler> hmm, epp seems pretty ambiguous. hal_epp?
[03:12:41] <seb_kuzminsky> i thought about that... the epp driver doesnt actually put anything in hal
[03:12:49] <andypugh> In the time it has taken you to do this I have not-quite extended spart-serial to handle serial encoders.
[03:12:55] <seb_kuzminsky> i thought about pc_epp and parport_epp
[03:13:20] <seb_kuzminsky> we'd talked on the mailing list a week or two ago about implementing epp in the bbb pru, and plugging a 7i43 in to it
[03:13:48] <seb_kuzminsky> this work facilitates that, you can now write a pru driver that implements the same epp-communication api and the hm2_7i* drivers should just work
[03:13:57] <andypugh> I like hal_epp. Mainly because it ideintifies it as "ours"
[03:14:20] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont like it because this driver has barely anything to do with hal, it doesnt make any pins or add any hal functions
[03:14:33] <seb_kuzminsky> it just provides an in-kernel api that the hm2_7i* drivers call
[03:15:13] <jepler> does it work to loadrt something that doesn't create any components? at one point I thought it didn't...
[03:15:39] <seb_kuzminsky> it does create a hal_comp, just to make loadrt work :-/
[03:15:59] <seb_kuzminsky> hold on, i'll push it so you can see what i'm talking about
[03:16:21] <seb_kuzminsky> bombs away!
[03:16:28] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05hm2-7i90-3 6c904a9 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10Makefile 10Makefile.inc.in 03hal/drivers/epp.c 03hal/drivers/epp.h * add epp driver
[03:16:28] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05hm2-7i90-3 9f9887e 06linuxcnc 10configs/hm2-servo/hm2-servo.hal 10configs/hm2-stepper/hm2-stepper.hal 10src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/hm2_7i43.c 10src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/hm2_7i43.h * hm2_7i43: use the new shared epp driver
[03:16:34] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Kim 05hm2-7i90-3 39db4d1 06linuxcnc 10(7 files in 4 dirs) * add hostmot2 driver for the 7i90
[03:16:45] <seb_kuzminsky> still need to add a manpage, and touch up the hm2_7i43 manpage
[03:18:13] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler-jessie-doc-build c6bf2ad 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/Submakefile 10src/Makefile.inc.in 10src/configure.in * docs: Don't explicitly request a dblatex encoding on newer(?) asciidoc
[03:18:19] <jepler> it's bedtime here, if you want more feedback from me please ping tomorrow
[03:18:26] <seb_kuzminsky> ok
[03:18:32] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks for the work on the docs
[03:18:39] <jepler> I think what you propose sounds fine in the abstract
[03:18:54] <jepler> I am not maintaining pluto anymore so I don't envision converting it
[03:19:05] <jepler> 'night and thanks for your work as well
[03:19:10] <seb_kuzminsky> the only other epp user is jon elson's stuff
[03:19:12] <seb_kuzminsky> afaik
[03:19:16] <jepler> I think so
[03:19:16] <seb_kuzminsky> good night jeff :-)
[03:20:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05hm2-7i90-3 462f809 06linuxcnc 03docs/man/man9/hm2_7i90.9 * hm2_7i90: add a manpage
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[10:18:12] <jthornton> alex_joni, thank you
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[10:50:08] <alex_joni> jthornton: np, hope all is ok?
[10:54:07] <jthornton> yep, and you?
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[12:09:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03andy 05master 24dc2a2 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man9/lcd.9 10src/hal/components/lcd.c
[12:09:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> Fix a bug caused by misunderstanding do_div in the lcd.comp
[12:09:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> If no format length was specified then the formatting would break for any value with a zero in its representation.
[12:09:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> Signed-off-by: Andy Pugh <andy@bodgesoc.org>
[12:09:34] <KGB-linuxcnc> Fix some bugs in the lcd component
[12:09:36] <KGB-linuxcnc> Signed-off-by: Andy Pugh <andy@bodgesoc.org>
[12:10:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03andy 05master 2ba536e 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/components/lcd.c * Un-break the sim builds (well, I can hope)
[12:10:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 6e8144a 06linuxcnc 10tests/build/ui/test.sh * test: don't clutter the test directory
[12:10:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master ddcfd17 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10html/.gitignore 10man/.gitignore 10man/man9/.gitignore 03src/.gitignore * docs: improve ignore patterns
[12:10:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master a9c32ba 06linuxcnc 10src/configure.in * epstopdf is no longer needed by the asciidoc toolchain
[12:10:26] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master f99c1ab 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10(14 files in 6 dirs) * docs: Rename images to placate asciidoc
[12:10:58] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 766f2fb 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10(5 files) * docs: Request ascii-ids
[12:10:58] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 929026d 06linuxcnc 10debian/control.in * docs: specify that we require texlive for each language
[12:10:58] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 8bb7acc 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10(85 files in 8 dirs) * docs: don't use 'non-breaking space' character U+00a0
[12:10:58] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master fb2f490 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/Submakefile 10src/Makefile.inc.in 10src/configure.in * docs: Don't explicitly request a dblatex encoding on newer(?) asciidoc
[12:10:58] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 3b616b6 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/.gitignore 10src/hal/components/lcd.c * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
[12:11:00] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master fd3c181 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10(53 files in 8 dirs) * docs: don't use 'non-breaking space' character U+00a0
[12:11:07] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master a420f21 06linuxcnc * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
[12:11:12] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 86b8036 06linuxcnc 10debian/control.in 10docs/src/Submakefile 10src/Makefile.inc.in 10src/configure.in * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
[12:11:35] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch 6e8144a 06linuxcnc 10tests/build/ui/test.sh * test: don't clutter the test directory
[12:11:35] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch ddcfd17 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10html/.gitignore 10man/.gitignore 10man/man9/.gitignore 03src/.gitignore * docs: improve ignore patterns
[12:11:35] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch 8bb7acc 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10(85 files in 8 dirs) * docs: don't use 'non-breaking space' character U+00a0
[12:11:39] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch a9c32ba 06linuxcnc 10src/configure.in * epstopdf is no longer needed by the asciidoc toolchain
[12:11:46] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch f99c1ab 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10(14 files in 6 dirs) * docs: Rename images to placate asciidoc
[12:11:52] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch 766f2fb 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10(5 files) * docs: Request ascii-ids
[12:11:58] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch 929026d 06linuxcnc 10debian/control.in * docs: specify that we require texlive for each language
[12:12:05] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch fb2f490 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/Submakefile 10src/Makefile.inc.in 10src/configure.in * docs: Don't explicitly request a dblatex encoding on newer(?) asciidoc
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[12:36:57] <skunkworks> kimK: how is it going?
[12:39:19] <alex_joni> jthornton: great ;)
[12:39:28] <alex_joni> a bit of lag right now .. catching up with work
[12:39:34] <alex_joni> after a couple weeks of travelling
[12:40:34] <alex_joni> skunkworks: hey sam
[12:41:14] <skunkworks> Hi alex! how is the BBB -> microsoft windows going?
[12:56:19] <linuxcnc-build> build #1100 of package-sim-precise-source is complete: Failure [4failed making debian source package] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/package-sim-precise-source/builds/1100 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>, Andy Pugh <andy@bodgesoc.org>
[12:56:20] <linuxcnc-build> build #1101 of package-rt-lucid-source is complete: Failure [4failed making debian source package] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/package-rt-lucid-source/builds/1101 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>, Andy Pugh <andy@bodgesoc.org>
[12:57:22] <jepler> aw poo
[12:57:31] <linuxcnc-build> build #1100 of package-sim-lucid-source is complete: Failure [4failed making debian source package] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/package-sim-lucid-source/builds/1100 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>, Andy Pugh <andy@bodgesoc.org>
[12:59:28] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master ed98070 06linuxcnc 10debian/control.in * Fix typo introduced at 86b80364
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[13:00:34] <alex_joni> skunkworks: don't get me started :D
[13:00:40] <skunkworks> heh
[13:00:51] <jepler> he keeps asking me questions as though I know the answers :-/
[13:01:14] <alex_joni> one can only hope :)
[13:01:14] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: forgot a comma, looks like?
[13:01:26] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yeah,
[13:01:38] <alex_joni> seb_kuzminsky: searching for missing commas?
[13:02:16] <seb_kuzminsky> if i an get through the day and lose nothing more than a comma, i'll consider it a success ;-)
[13:02:27] <seb_kuzminsky> brb, frying eggs!
[13:03:33] <skunkworks> Mmmmm eggs...
[13:03:57] <archivist> fried eggs chips and beans
[13:04:12] <skunkworks> we have found out with our ss pans - butter works the best for frying.. only thing that doesn't let the eggs stick
[13:04:47] <jepler> now I'm hungry
[13:04:49] <skunkworks> tried things like olive oil, coconut oil...
[13:04:52] <jepler> too bad all I have is leftover pancakes
[13:05:02] <skunkworks> Mmmmm pancakes...
[13:05:20] * skunkworks goes off to the vendo machines... :(
[13:05:38] <jepler> next time in wichita we'll have to find a spot on the shop floor for a couple of gas griddles. seb can fry eggs for everybody and I'll make pancakes.
[13:05:59] <jepler> if andypugh comes, he can bring the heinz baked beans
[13:06:53] <archivist> hmm I have a stock of heinz beans
[13:07:07] <archivist> beans on cheese on toast....
[13:08:04] <skunkworks> Stop it!
[13:08:11] <archivist> I dont think one is allowed to bring food in, you lot have to come to England :)
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[13:09:53] <linuxcnc-build> build #1091 of deb-hardy-sim-binary-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at
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[13:09:59] <jepler> There's a specialty store in my town where you can buy genuine imported british heinz baked beans
[13:10:11] <jepler> oh dear: In 2008, "Heinz Baked Beans" were renamed "Heinz Beanz", as the original title was "a bit of a mouthful to pronounce", according to the company.[6]
[13:10:19] <jepler> I had no idea
[13:10:51] <linuxcnc-build> build #1090 of deb-hardy-sim-binary-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at
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[13:11:01] <linuxcnc-build> build #1439 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1439 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>, Andy Pugh <andy@bodgesoc.org>
[13:11:24] <archivist> jepler, I had never noticed either, just checked a tin
[13:15:38] <alex_joni> eek.. beans for breakfast
[13:17:25] <linuxcnc-build> build #1093 of deb-hardy-rt-binary-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at
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[15:13:46] <cradek> I wish people would just NOT BUY ethercat machinery, and we could quit hearing about their stupid license
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[16:20:23] <t12> whats their stupid license?
[16:20:52] <jepler> t12: "GPLv2 except you're not allowed to run or modify or distribute the software"
[16:21:09] <t12> ha
[16:21:14] <jepler> or, as they put it, "GPLv2 for source code only"
[16:21:21] <cradek> also you have to sign a license with us
[16:21:29] <cradek> don't worry, we won't charge you anything
[16:21:41] <t12> how does that involve linuxcnc?
[16:21:51] <cradek> people think they want to combine them
[16:22:03] <jepler> some people wanted to contribute hal drivers that link to encumbered EtherCAT Master software
[16:22:14] <jepler> we had to tell them "no" because of our reading of the EtherCAT Master license
[16:23:24] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: any more thoughts on the color of the new bike shed? (aka the name of the new epp api driver)
[16:23:30] <t12> oh by link
[16:23:31] <t12> like LD link
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[16:23:50] <jepler> t12: right
[16:24:04] <t12> i see
[16:25:44] <t12> the SOEM people?
[16:26:28] <jepler> it is some german company that asserts patent rights on implementations of the EtherCAT standard
[16:27:04] <seb_kuzminsky> that behavior violates my understanding of "standard"
[16:27:05] <jepler> whatever implementation the HAL components were linking to warn prominently about this company's patent claims
[16:27:21] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: they say the patents are offered under RAND terms, but that's no good for GPL software.
[16:27:35] <t12> isnt it kind of hard to enforce on just packet generation
[16:27:48] <jepler> (well, actually, they mumbo jumbo but in a prominent place about the german company's IP claims)
[16:27:48] <t12> (if it was managable to not link directly to their libs)
[16:28:17] <jepler> hard to enforce is the wrong question
[16:28:44] <archivist> get patents invalidated
[16:28:51] <jepler> who is going to pay lawyers to defend linuxcnc.org?
[16:29:05] <jepler> I have no knowledge or opinion about the validity of the patents, but unfortunately for me I'm aware they exist
[16:29:12] <t12> ahh
[16:29:25] <jepler> linuxcnc.org doesn't want to gather patent lawsuits, it gets in the way of doing real work
[16:29:26] <t12> they could always publish it as 3rd party plugin
[16:29:35] <t12> and take the risk themselves
[16:29:55] <jepler> yes, if the authors of these HAL components have different conclusions about the legality or about their ability to field a legal defense they can sure decide to distribute it themselves
[16:30:10] <jepler> I have mentioned this in the mailing list thread about this
[16:30:12] <t12> right now they just want to merge it?
[16:30:31] <jepler> there is not enough knowledge about the fact it's entirely possible to build HAL components outside the main tree, I think
[16:30:51] <jepler> (plus it is easier for end-users when drivers are centralized, I admit)
[16:30:58] <t12> yeah
[16:31:02] <t12> packaging gloss can help with that though
[16:31:13] <t12> like if it can be reduced to install this deb package, add some line to config file
[16:31:36] <t12> (if its not already that way)
[16:32:10] <jepler> sure, if the authors want to go as far as publishing .deb binary packages on their own server, then keeping up to date is not too bad
[16:32:39] <jepler> you have to script: install GPG public key that is used to sign repository, add repository to sources.list.d, apt-get update, apt-get install
[16:33:00] <jepler> linuxcnc-install.sh is an example of one probably-suboptimal way to do this
[16:33:59] <jepler> anyway, for me it boils down to two things: risk-averseness for linuxcnc.org (don't want a C&D or a lawsuit) PLUS wanting to steer users away from encumbered technology
[16:34:24] <jepler> because this german company also claims that you can't make EtherCAT slave hardware without a license from them, and that one also costs $$$
[16:34:35] <t12> ya
[16:34:35] <jepler> well €€€
[16:34:49] <t12> do you ever get user requsts/forum queries/etc about interfacing to their stuff
[16:35:18] <jepler> I ignore the forum entirely and the users list mostly, but I get the impression that yes, some people have the hardware and want to use it
[16:37:16] <t12> need chinese release group
[16:38:08] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: why not just put the new APIs in the existing hal_parport.h?
[16:40:14] <jepler> should the multibyte routines say "le" to indicate they operate in little-endian fashion?
[16:40:20] <jepler> e.g., epp_write32le
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[16:44:17] <jepler> I would prefer to see the new routines documented as the current ones are in hal_parport.3hal
[16:44:28] <jepler> + data = a + (b<<8) + (c<<16) + (d<<24);
[16:44:37] <jepler> it's more typical to use | here but why do I even bring it up?
[16:46:24] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: ^^ is that enough bikeshedding to make you (un)happy with any decision you might make?
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[17:26:56] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: thanks for the feedback
[17:27:53] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont want it in a header file, because i want this hypothetical pru-epp use case to be easier to implement
[17:28:14] <seb_kuzminsky> ie, i dont want the epp api compiled into the anyio drivers, i want it runtime linked
[17:28:44] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe it could go in hal_parport.c, but then the user would get a bunch of SPP pins in hal that dont make sense
[17:29:55] <seb_kuzminsky> i like the suggestions for endian-ness indicators in the function names, and for adding documentation
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[17:58:17] <seb_kuzminsky> hi andy
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[18:00:04] <andypugh> Hi
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[18:05:37] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: OK that makes sense
[18:13:29] <skunkworks> jepler, how is the reprap?
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[18:15:50] <jepler> skunkworks: still haven't touched it
[18:16:13] <jepler> status: replacement electronics sitting in box, replacement extruder installed but electrical connections not completed
[18:16:45] <skunkworks> that's ok. :)
[18:16:48] <cradek> yes but how do you FEEL about it?
[18:17:07] <jepler> most evenings I am unmotivated
[18:17:37] <jepler> sometimes I think "I should go work on that, but I had a drink earlier and so if I go do anything I'll just fry more electronics"
[18:17:57] <jepler> I haven't yet determined why having a beer makes me think of going to work on it
[18:18:38] <skunkworks> I am sure you would fry things even if you didn't drink... ;)
[18:18:50] <jepler> I sure have
[18:18:55] <cradek> it seems quite fryable
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[18:21:53] <andypugh> There is a well known lik between beer and frying things. Though generally it is food.
[18:22:09] <jepler> beer and fried food is a good combination
[18:22:35] <andypugh> A common cause of house fires, though.
[18:23:11] <jepler> oh, I don't fry my own food. have to go out for that.
[18:23:13] <andypugh> (Come home drunk, decide to fry something, put the chip pan on, forget....)
[18:23:24] <skunkworks> andypugh, your cad of the ball rotory optially flipped on me. Now I can only see it that way..
[18:23:43] <andypugh> How odd.
[18:24:08] <skunkworks> maybe I need a beer
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[18:25:08] <jepler> today I feel like I'd just fall asleep halfway through one
[18:25:11] <skunkworks> oh - now it is back..
[18:25:38] <skunkworks> (grooves instead of domes)
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[18:34:21] <jepler> well crumble
[18:35:53] <jepler> it appears I busted all the non-ASCII characters in the documentation with my recent commits
[18:37:21] <andypugh> That's probably a bad thing.
[18:39:52] <jepler> qft
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[18:47:28] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch b98c264 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man3/rtapi_module_param.3rtapi * document the interpretation of MODULE_LICENSE strings
[18:47:28] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch 340e04a 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/hal/comp.txt * Fix MODULE_LICENSE strings, refer to our documentation of their interpretation
[18:47:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch 5a5b020 06linuxcnc 10src/configure.in * docs: fix latex.encoding (utf-8 is accepted but doesn't work like utf8!)
[18:49:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master b98c264 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man3/rtapi_module_param.3rtapi * document the interpretation of MODULE_LICENSE strings
[18:49:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 340e04a 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/hal/comp.txt * Fix MODULE_LICENSE strings, refer to our documentation of their interpretation
[18:49:28] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 5a5b020 06linuxcnc 10src/configure.in * docs: fix latex.encoding (utf-8 is accepted but doesn't work like utf8!)
[18:49:35] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 2c49cea 06linuxcnc 10src/configure.in * Merge remote branch 'origin/v2.5_branch'
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[19:08:11] <seb_kuzminsky> all jepler's work on the docs makes me motivated to fix the docs on www.linuxcnc.org
[19:08:30] <seb_kuzminsky> it's pretty close, they're all auto-built and uploaded to
http://www.linuxcnc.org/stage-docs/
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[19:08:49] <seb_kuzminsky> i just need to move the old docs to their proper place and fix the index.html file, i think
[19:14:36] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I know I owe you a round tuit on that, particularly since I brought it up recently
[19:15:36] <jepler> last I recalled I wanted to be sure that URLs like www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/ would continue to work after the move; it looks like right now that wouldn't be the case
[19:15:57] <jepler> that's the only thing I remember troubling me
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[19:18:35] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah i think that's it
[19:18:45] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll ping you when i un-hork it
[19:18:51] <jepler> ok
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[19:44:08] <seb_kuzminsky> rtai 4.0-test1 was just released
[19:44:30] <seb_kuzminsky> http://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2013-October/026045.html
[19:44:46] <seb_kuzminsky> CaptHindsight, memleak, do you have any info on this for us?
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[20:39:15] <jepler> phew, it was the utf8 vs utf-8 typo that broke the buildbot docs
[20:39:18] <jepler> so now I think all is well
[20:39:20] <jepler> for real you guys
[20:41:25] <jepler> I ordered a BBB and when I get it I intend to look into why axis has such bad performance when displayed over the network. more news if anything ever comes of it...
[20:42:23] <kwallace2> Cool.
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[21:21:02] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm glad you found it! what a difference a - can make
[21:21:22] <seb_kuzminsky> annoying that the tool didn't complain loudly (loudly enough for us to hear)
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[21:53:22] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: it might have been there in the warnings, who knows
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[22:17:35] <CaptHindsight> seb_kuzminsky: nope, last we checked 64bit still wasn't working and 32b was still behind, Shahbaz was just looking at fixing it over the past few days
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