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[01:52:20] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=jepler-header-sanity checkin
[01:52:21] <linuxcnc-build> build #1416 forced
[01:52:21] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[01:52:23] <linuxcnc-build> build #1416 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed update branch in local git repo] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1416
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[01:55:00] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=jepler-header-sanity checkin
[01:55:01] <linuxcnc-build> build #1417 forced
[01:55:01] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[02:04:37] <seb_kuzminsky> aww yisss
[02:13:25] <jepler> > error: branch 'jepler-header-sanity' not found.
[02:13:31] <jepler> this is from the branch -D and failure is OK?
[02:13:50] <jepler> (in
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1417/steps/update%20branch%20in%20local%20git%20repo/logs/stdio)
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[02:26:55] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
[02:27:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i changed it, it now does:
[02:27:17] <seb_kuzminsky> git branch | egrep -q ' %(branch)s$' && git branch -D %(branch)s; git branch %(branch)s FETCH_HEAD
[02:27:25] <seb_kuzminsky> just to shut up that scary-looking warning ;-)
[02:27:45] <seb_kuzminsky> %(branch)s is buildbot's way of spelling "the value of the property named branch"
[02:28:28] <seb_kuzminsky> so on push to g.l.o, the buildbot fetches the pushed branch, updates its local branch to point to the new commit, and then continues as usual
[02:28:45] <seb_kuzminsky> all the builders that used to fetch from g.l.o now fetch the exact same thing from the buildmaster
[02:29:45] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder if it'll get confused if i ask it to rebuild an old commit that's no longer the head of a branch?
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[02:53:05] <jepler> I didn't look at the variants you tried, but I see there's a git branch -f
[02:54:21] <jepler> also not sure but maybe having this intermediate git repo be "bare" would help too
[02:54:29] <jepler> er, "--mirror"
[02:57:50] <jepler> I'm not sure you can "git fetch" a ref, rather than a branch or tag..
[02:57:54] <jepler> you might need to tag the ref to build?
[02:58:08] <jepler> and if it's no longer in the past of any ref you might not have it anymore (but that's different than what you were saying)
[03:08:29] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build checkin #1417 is complete: Success [3build successful]
[03:08:29] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1417
[03:08:32] <linuxcnc-build> build #1418 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed update branch in local git repo] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1418 blamelist: Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>
[03:09:29] <jepler> also you're not "on a branch" in a bare repository so that would help with this problem
[03:11:34] <seb_kuzminsky> the repo is bare, and it is on a branch (which surprised me too)
[03:12:18] <seb_kuzminsky> hm, i thought i looked for 'git branch -f' and didnt see it
[03:13:06] <seb_kuzminsky> but it's there alright
[03:13:51] <jepler> I added it while you weren't looking
[03:14:00] <seb_kuzminsky> kthx
[03:14:59] <seb_kuzminsky> i think you can't fetch a ref, but i think that's ok as long as we have a name (tag or branch) pointing to it still
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[03:17:26] <jepler> 'night
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[03:22:35] <seb_kuzminsky> seeya
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[03:44:25] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler ftw, 'branch -f' does the trick
[03:47:36] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=master checkin
[03:47:41] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=v2.5_branch checkin
[03:47:48] <linuxcnc-build> The build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts
[03:47:58] <linuxcnc-build> The build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts
[03:49:12] <linuxcnc-build> build #1213 of precise-amd64-sim-clang is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/precise-amd64-sim-clang/builds/1213 blamelist: Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>
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[04:22:53] <linuxcnc-build> build #1419 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1419 blamelist: Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>
[04:22:53] <linuxcnc-build> build #1420 forced
[04:22:53] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[04:28:11] <linuxcnc-build> build #1418 of lucid-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-amd64-sim/builds/1418
[04:28:12] <linuxcnc-build> build #525 of precise-x86-xenomai-rip is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/precise-x86-xenomai-rip/builds/525
[04:28:31] <linuxcnc-build> build #1420 of hardy-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-amd64-sim/builds/1420
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[04:37:02] <KimK_1> CaptHindsight: Hi, thanks for writing. No, I did not find out why the new test kernel did not appear in the grub boot pick menu. I had other things to do, and I was hoping that someone would find the problem and it would get fixed "automagically". But I can get Unit 2 out again and work on it some more, if it would help. I'll need some advice and guidance.
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[05:00:44] <linuxcnc-build> build #1420 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1420
[05:00:44] <linuxcnc-build> build #1421 forced
[05:00:44] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[05:06:10] <linuxcnc-build> build #1421 of hardy-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-amd64-sim/builds/1421
[05:06:11] <linuxcnc-build> build #526 of precise-x86-xenomai-rip is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/precise-x86-xenomai-rip/builds/526
[05:06:25] <linuxcnc-build> build #1419 of lucid-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-amd64-sim/builds/1419
[05:06:44] <linuxcnc-build> build #1419 of hardy-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed git] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-i386-sim/builds/1419
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http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1421
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[13:52:39] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=v2.5_branch checkin
[13:52:40] <linuxcnc-build> build #1422 forced
[13:52:40] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[14:21:54] <jepler> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=jepler-header-sanity checkin
[14:22:00] <linuxcnc-build> The build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts
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[15:05:11] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build checkin #1422 is complete: Success [3build successful]
[15:05:11] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1422
[15:05:12] <linuxcnc-build> build forced [ETA 1h12m31s]
[15:05:12] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[15:18:34] <jepler> sigh, stupid licenses getting in the way of neat projects (ethercat business)
[15:20:07] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i think the buildbot should be working for now, thanks for your help
[15:20:24] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: for what little I did, you're welcome. thank you.
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[15:22:04] <jepler> off to have a day...
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[15:32:15] <zultron> jepler, what's the issue with the EtherCAT license? The IgH EtherCAT Master implementation is GPLv2.
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[15:42:47] <cradek> zultron: did you see emc-developers?
[15:46:13] <zultron> cradek, oops, sometimes my inbox lags. Thanks!
[15:47:41] <cradek> sad, they even have restrictions on USE
[15:47:55] <zultron> Yeah, patent problems, I assume.
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[16:48:35] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build checkin #1423 is complete: Success [3build successful]
[16:48:35] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1423
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[18:08:50] <alex_joni> I tried reasoning once with beckhoff.. they are obtuse to say the least
[18:09:23] <alex_joni> so I doubt they will grant us any special exceptions from their crazy restrictions
[18:09:41] <alex_joni> cradek: still around?
[18:10:19] <cradek> not if you're going to talk to me about licenses
[18:10:27] <alex_joni> wanted to run an idea by you
[18:10:36] <alex_joni> I promise it won't be about licensing :D
[18:11:22] <alex_joni> what do you think about having the GUI opening the ngc file, and passing it to task/interp through some communication means (be it NML or whatnot)
[18:11:58] <cradek> just to be clear, what problem are you trying to solve?
[18:12:06] <alex_joni> GUI on different host
[18:12:27] <alex_joni> rest of linuxcnc running on a BBB - appliance-ish
[18:12:58] <alex_joni> and the main problem is synchronizing the 2 PCs
[18:13:08] <alex_joni> you have to have the files in the same locations, etc
[18:13:30] <alex_joni> if one file differs even by a newline.. things get wildly out of hand :)
[18:13:30] <cradek> right because they both want to open and seek in them
[18:13:47] <alex_joni> right
[18:14:09] <alex_joni> so far AXIS is one of the few GUIs which opens a local copy to create the program outline before running it
[18:14:16] <cradek> it's not clear to me that sending the file over a homemade channel is the right fix -- it feels like you are reimplementing a subset of nfs or equivalent
[18:14:41] <alex_joni> nfs isn't platform independent
[18:14:42] <cradek> well most of the GUIs seek in the file so they can show it as it runs
[18:14:53] <cradek> AXIS just does a second kind of "showing it"
[18:14:54] <alex_joni> yeah, that's what I was typing next
[18:15:02] <alex_joni> and run-from-line, etc
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[18:15:26] <cradek> I'm not proposing you use nfs to solve the problem; I'm wondering if you can think of it in terms of the many ways we already have to do file sharing
[18:15:44] <alex_joni> the BBB actually has a partition on the SD card which gets mounted on the host too
[18:15:48] <cradek> (but I think nfs actually is fairly platform-independent)
[18:16:00] <alex_joni> but that still leaves me with the location names
[18:16:24] <alex_joni> I would actually like (I know you probably won't) to have axis running on a windows platform
[18:16:41] <alex_joni> I think it would open up lcnc to a lot of new users
[18:16:59] <cradek> I have no problem with that as long as it's ok if I don't care about it
[18:17:06] <alex_joni> sure it is
[18:17:10] <cradek> :-)
[18:17:28] <alex_joni> let me describe you something from the BBB
[18:17:37] <alex_joni> if you don't mind ;)
[18:17:49] <alex_joni> there is a partition on the SD which gets mounted on the host
[18:17:57] <alex_joni> be it linux or windows, or whatnot
[18:17:59] <cradek> what is a host?
[18:18:08] <alex_joni> the PC where you connect the BBB to
[18:18:15] <alex_joni> err.. maybe I should rewind a bit
[18:18:32] <alex_joni> you can connect the BBB to a PSU and run it independently
[18:18:47] <alex_joni> then you connect a HDMI monitor + keyboard + mouse and you're set
[18:18:58] <alex_joni> but there's not enough 3d graphics power to run axis
[18:19:09] <alex_joni> so you're stuck with tklinuxcnc or touchy
[18:19:14] <alex_joni> or keystick :D
[18:19:27] <alex_joni> the other way is to power the BBB from a USB port of another computer
[18:19:39] <alex_joni> in that case you get a RNDIS network over the USB link
[18:19:59] <cradek> with you so far, except I don't know what RNDIS is
[18:20:13] <alex_joni> it's usb gizmo thingie :D
[18:20:22] <alex_joni> basicly you connect the BBB to a USB port
[18:20:22] <cradek> ok then
[18:20:37] <alex_joni> the PC sees the BBB as a removable drive (the partition on the SD card)
[18:20:53] <alex_joni> but there's also a network connection over the USB connection
[18:20:59] <cradek> magic
[18:21:12] <alex_joni> so you get a virtual network adapter on the PC connected to the virtual interface on the BBB
[18:21:15] <cradek> so sounds like you already have meaningful filesharing via magic
[18:21:47] <alex_joni> well.. you could stick the files on the removable drive
[18:21:52] <alex_joni> aka first SD partition
[18:22:05] <alex_joni> then you can see them on the PC (host) and on the BBB
[18:22:16] <cradek> yay
[18:22:16] <alex_joni> but they're still not in the same location
[18:22:31] <seb_kuzminsky> they're in one location on the bbb and in two locations on the pc
[18:22:43] <alex_joni> so open (/home/linuxcnc/examples/nc_files/3d_arcs.ngc) will fail on one of them
[18:23:05] <alex_joni> seb_kuzminsky: possibly in two, if you mount the (nfs|smb|whatever) share
[18:23:10] <cradek> surely you should open "3d_arcs.ngc"
[18:23:27] <alex_joni> tell that the task controller ;)
[18:23:30] <alex_joni> or axis for that matter
[18:23:36] <cradek> the guis and task all need a way to configure where the files are
[18:23:54] <alex_joni> hmm.. that should work
[18:23:55] <seb_kuzminsky> both task and the display program read the same PROGRAM_PREFIX currently, right?
[18:24:07] <cradek> that's a simple fix compared to reimplementing file sharing
[18:24:16] <cradek> I think you are helping prove my point
[18:24:20] <seb_kuzminsky> but in this dual-computer setup, they'll read different ini files anyway, probably?
[18:24:24] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: I dunno but there's no fundamental problem here
[18:24:25] <alex_joni> surely
[18:24:40] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: oh, i agree
[18:24:45] <alex_joni> seb_kuzminsky: you need different ini files, because of different NML files
[18:24:53] <alex_joni> so the PROGRAM_PREFIX might solve it all
[18:24:57] <alex_joni> cool beans
[18:25:15] <cradek> the [remote] gui only needs a few things from its ini
[18:25:22] <alex_joni> now there's only one issue left.. linuxcnc config ;)
[18:25:34] <alex_joni> which one gets opened (automagically) on the BBB
[18:26:00] <seb_kuzminsky> and the other thing is the operator's hassle of copying ngc files from the gui's location to task's location
[18:26:13] <alex_joni> seb_kuzminsky: not if it's the same folder
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[18:26:20] <alex_joni> (even with different names for it)
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[18:26:30] <seb_kuzminsky> if they both use the sd card, you mean? yeah that'd work
[18:26:34] <alex_joni> if it's on the automounted sd partition (fat16)
[18:26:46] <cradek> yes use whatever file sharing type networking you already have
[18:27:23] <alex_joni> actually I was really impressed with the stock BBB and how much they lower the bar for newcomers
[18:27:34] <seb_kuzminsky> if the bbb is powered off and the gui-computer is running, then the operator could copy a file to the bbb's mountpoint, and have the file disappear when the bbb automounts over it
[18:27:34] <cradek> then on one machine open 3D_ARC~1.NGC ...
[18:27:42] <alex_joni> cradek: :-P
[18:28:11] <alex_joni> seb_kuzminsky: that doesn't work on windows.. the drive is gone when the bbb is not connected
[18:28:21] * seb_kuzminsky coughs
[18:28:27] <alex_joni> and linux guys are usually smarter than that :)
[18:28:46] <alex_joni> what I am working on is basicly for high-school teachers
[18:29:05] <seb_kuzminsky> cool
[18:29:11] <alex_joni> in middle eastern countries
[18:29:12] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd love to see linuxcnc in education more
[18:29:38] <cradek> I'd love to see proprietary software in education less
[18:30:15] <alex_joni> cradek: when we can provide easy to use alternatives, it'll happen eventually
[18:30:25] <seb_kuzminsky> s/in education//
[18:30:27] <seb_kuzminsky> fify
[18:31:00] <cradek> I retract my derail which is very derailing
[18:31:10] <alex_joni> fify is a romanian small dog name :)
[18:35:53] <alex_joni> cradek: hehe
[18:37:12] <alex_joni> well.. I'll probably try to see what madness lies down this road
[18:37:32] <cradek> great
[18:37:36] <alex_joni> for now getting rcslib to run on win32 is next ;)
[18:37:39] <cradek> I hope you find very little madness
[18:37:49] <alex_joni> then I'll see what axis needs
[18:38:13] <alex_joni> I already ran a GUI from a linux host (actually a VM) to a BBB, and it's ok-ish
[18:38:26] <alex_joni> still rough edges, like missing error messages and such
[18:39:06] <cradek> haven't you done all this before? it seems familiar.
[18:39:31] <alex_joni> only tkemc back then
[18:39:38] <cradek> ah right
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[22:08:44] <seb_kuzminsky> https://boulder.craigslist.org/tls/4115539987.html
[22:09:06] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a nice machine, but i think they're going to have a hard time getting $30k for it
[22:11:06] <CaptHindsight> alex_joni: would it help any to have an ARM board that runs Linuxcnc as well as having a GPU that can handle running AXIS?
[22:12:09] <CaptHindsight> for $50
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[22:13:57] <alex_joni> CaptHindsight: humm.. dunno
[22:14:09] <alex_joni> maybe.. does it have the IOs the BBB has?
[22:14:19] <alex_joni> can you connect a monitor, keyb/mouse easily?
[22:15:02] <CaptHindsight> HDMI, USB, IO xenomai already supported ~30uS latency
[22:19:19] <alex_joni> sounds interesting
[22:21:56] <CaptHindsight> http://cubieboard.org and a few others use the A20 dual arm cortex a7 with Dual core ARM Mali400
[22:22:11] <CaptHindsight> https://www.miniand.com/products/Cubieboard%20A20%20Dev%20Board#specifications
[22:22:24] <alex_joni> ah, I already looked at the cubieboard a while ago
[22:22:57] <CaptHindsight> there are a few vendors that use the Allwinner SOC's now
[22:23:32] <CaptHindsight> the TI device is nice but doen't have enough GPU
[22:24:27] <CaptHindsight> also the A20 is ~$7 ea vs something around $20-25 for the TI
[22:27:13] <CaptHindsight> A20 + an FPGA on board for about the same price is in the works
[22:27:52] <CaptHindsight> what the cost of a BBB + cape/shield/IO board? >$100
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[22:36:22] <andypugh> UDOO ?
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[22:39:23] <CaptHindsight> imx6 + duino
[22:40:12] <CaptHindsight> imx6 + fpga could also be ~$50
[22:42:10] <CaptHindsight> but imx6's are $12-$30 ea depending on # of cores, speed and package
[22:43:27] <kwallace1> Complete used Core 2 Duo PC ~$50 .
[22:43:54] <CaptHindsight> + fpga = >$100
[22:45:22] <CaptHindsight> now if someone could convince Intel to drop a $6 fpga on the board it could be $60
[22:46:03] <CaptHindsight> mini-itx x86 + fpga board
[22:46:08] <kwallace1> A well supported PC, mostly ready to go ... priceless.
[22:46:41] <CaptHindsight> I know the x86 vs ARM concern
[22:47:16] <CaptHindsight> I've just been wondering why TI BBB vs A20 or imx6
[22:50:04] <kwallace1> I have to limit my wondering. There just isn't enough.
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[22:50:47] <jepler> It occurs to us to say "there aren't enough hours in the day", but I've never heard of someone saying "there aren't enough tablespoons in a cup"...
[22:52:47] <CaptHindsight> why choose the ARM soc that doesn't have the GPU required to run the UI?
[22:52:54] <andypugh> I'd like there to be one more glass in a bottle.
[22:53:27] <archivist> more beer in a glass++
[22:54:41] <jepler> aren't you in the land of bigger pints?
[22:55:32] <archivist> I am even next to the town that at one time had most of the countries breweries
[22:55:46] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch 056b08b 06linuxcnc 10tests/build/ui/ 03expected 03nml-position-logger.cc 03test.sh * test that a basic nml-using UI can be built using only header files we publish
[22:55:47] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch 1f23713 06linuxcnc 10tests/ 03build/header-sanity/expected 03build/header-sanity/test.sh * Test header file sanity
[22:56:27] <andypugh> Yes. Pints I am happy with. But I get to the bottom of a bottle of wine and always fancy another glass. It may be a good thing that there isn't one, typically. :-)
[22:57:04] <andypugh> Seems to me that Beckhoff are shoting themselves in the foot with the EtherCAT license.
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[22:58:38] <CaptHindsight> control is more important to some than sharing
[22:58:57] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jthornton 05master fad9717 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/hal/pyvcp.txt * Docs: fix incorrect example and add info about tabs
[22:58:57] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05master 0d30656 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/touchy/mdi.py * Touchy: enable MDI multi-turn arcs
[22:58:59] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03alex_joni 05master 59adbb1 06linuxcnc 10src/libnml/buffer/tcpmem.cc * fix typo, preventing remote NML clients talking to lcncserver
[22:59:06] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 056b08b 06linuxcnc 10tests/build/ui/ 03expected 03nml-position-logger.cc 03test.sh * test that a basic nml-using UI can be built using only header files we publish
[22:59:14] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 1f23713 06linuxcnc 10tests/ 03build/header-sanity/expected 03build/header-sanity/test.sh * Test header file sanity
[22:59:16] <jepler> is the wine bottle there ~750ml as here? That makes them barely bigger than a pint, I guess..
[22:59:20] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master b8b7d69 06linuxcnc 10src/Makefile * must ship this header file
[22:59:26] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master fdf1f56 06linuxcnc * Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/v2.5_branch'
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[23:05:45] <CaptHindsight> if you switch from wine to scotch a pint should generally be enough
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[23:24:01] <andypugh> Well, looks like I have used up all the hours of this day. Goodnight
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