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[01:08:14] <kwallace> It looks like the emc.var file doesn't get updated immediately after a work space has been changed. Also, only the active workspace has a link in the Python interface. Is there a good way to get all of the current work offsets?
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[02:11:57] <cradek> nope
[02:12:09] <cradek> what are you trying to do?
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[02:36:13] <kwallace> cradek: I'm not sure yet, but one scenario is to just have a table that shows all of the offsets. It would be in a tab along with a tab for tool offsets.
[02:37:06] <kwallace> I would think it should update when a change is made to a work space.
[02:38:04] <kwallace> Beyond that, maybe be able to edit the table, or maybe something I haven't thought of yet.
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[02:41:31] <kwallace> I may be able to read the emc.var on loading LinuxCNC then track changes to the work spaces in the table as they are made.
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[02:42:39] <cradek> I don't know a good way to do what you want.
[02:44:05] <kwallace> Okay, thanks for your time. We'll see how far I can get.
[02:45:09] <cradek> maybe you could put them all in the stat buffer.
[02:46:08] <cradek> I doubt reading or writing the var file as-is will work well
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[02:50:02] <kwallace> I assume when LinuxCNC loads emc.var is read, so emc.var and LinuxCNC are in sync at this time. If I copy emc.var to the UI, I should be able to keep the copy in sync by tracking any changes? Or am I missing something?
[02:52:46] <cradek> how do you think you can track changes?
[03:00:49] <cradek> goodnight
[03:00:53] <kwallace> I suppose we will need to make sure we initiate any changes, but I may see what you mean, what if the user opened emc.var with gedit and made changes. Normally, a reload would need to be done. We are tracking other files and have a handler for these events, so maybe we can do something similar. I need to give this a lot more thought.
[03:01:04] <kwallace> Thank you, good night.
[03:01:52] <cradek> you can't control who initiates them - the user doesn't even have to be evil enough to change the file with gedit. his gcode program can call g10 or other codes that cause changes
[03:02:14] <cradek> you can't interpret those
[03:02:29] <cradek> if you must have this feature, you will have to add infrastructure to allow it
[03:04:16] <cradek> please be bold enough to do that - don't hack around it - you simply can't fix everything in the gui
[03:04:51] <kwallace> Okay, food for thought.
[03:05:29] <cradek> now, goodnight for real :-)
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[17:24:15] <mhaberler> here's my paper for the OSADL conference - I'd welcome any comment, but need to send it off in 3hrs:
http://static.mah.priv.at/public/paper.pdf
[17:28:44] <mhaberler> bbl
[17:31:42] <archivist> skim read it and did not find any obvious problems
[17:32:51] <cradek> mhaberler: you should be using `` and '' for quotes instead of "
[17:33:49] <archivist> I didnt worry about stuff like that, facts more important
[17:33:57] <cradek> you've misspelled daemon as demon (not just a UKism - they have different meanings to americans too)
[17:34:21] <cradek> (in Fig 4)
[17:35:38] <archivist> section 6 page 5 "than assumed time; or modify" should that be a , not ;
[17:36:38] <cradek> probably
[17:38:08] <archivist> the diagram at the top left of section 1.1 could be larger to be able to read the text
[17:38:59] <archivist> I have to look close with the viewer set to 200% to read the small print
[17:39:03] <cradek> use of a space before uS is inconsistent
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[17:39:33] <cradek> the blue "read" in the hal commands is weird
[17:41:24] <cradek> #6 and #8 in the bibliography are kind of mangled
[17:43:22] <archivist> expand fig 1 so all the bib is on one page and go to single column on the bib to fix that
[17:43:41] <cradek> yeah, not sure if Fig 1 would be readable even on paper
[17:44:34] <archivist> needs to be at least double, there is space on the last page for expansion of it
[17:45:23] <cradek> if the bib could be in one column it would help unmangle the URLs (maybe put a linebreak after the URL)
[17:45:39] <cradek> depends how much of the formatting is dictated
[17:46:44] <cradek> I'd prefer GUIs to GUI's but people don't all agree about this
[17:47:01] <archivist> I think the added space and hyphen are due to the format
[17:47:39] <archivist> bib needs to be left justified
[17:48:20] <cradek> in Abstract: present an overview OF
[17:50:32] <cradek> mhaberler: if you want me (native-english-speaker-latex-user) to go through this I'd be happy to, send me the source, this is pretty inefficient
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[18:19:25] <mhaberler> baack, well thanks for reading this
[18:19:34] <mhaberler> cradek: I'll make a repo
[18:20:00] <mhaberler> really appreciated - latex 'deer in the headlight'
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[18:20:31] <cradek> heh how much time is left?
[18:20:31] <archivist> I am at the latex noob stage too
[18:23:23] <mhaberler> formally 2.4hs, but it wont be an issue I think
[18:31:20] <mhaberler> ok, this should work: git clone git://git.mah.priv.at/osadl-paper.git
[18:32:05] <cradek> yes and it even builds, yay
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[18:34:32] <mhaberler> ha
[18:35:37] <cradek> you'll have to fix demon->daemon uflavor
[18:35:45] <cradek> er, you'll have to fix demon->daemon in uflavor
[18:36:20] <mhaberler> ok
[18:39:27] <mhaberler> pushed
[18:42:47] <mhaberler> i could rearrange fig1 so its more high than wide
[18:43:08] <mhaberler> it comes out too small
[18:43:24] <mhaberler> or if you have a double-column trick up your sleeve - fine
[18:43:30] <cradek> that would be a good way if you want to keep the columns
[18:43:37] <mhaberler> ok
[18:43:43] <cradek> I wasn't going to touch that, working on language/typography so far
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[18:46:05] <mhaberler> duh. I used
http://www.digikey.com/schemeit and that figure wasnt saved.
[18:46:14] <mhaberler> not an opton anymore
[18:46:18] <cradek> drat
[18:46:35] <mhaberler> it's ok - people are suppose to read online and use zoom
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[19:11:37] <cradek> mhaberler: do you prefer american or british? I see behaviour but flavor.
[19:12:04] <mhaberler> american, never lived in blightey
[19:12:35] <mhaberler> reading up on demon vs daemon..
[19:13:20] <cradek> to make it harder, consider the bsd daemon (their old mascot) is a demon
[19:13:44] <cradek> (but I am sure you should use daemon)
[19:14:12] <mhaberler> seems 'demon' means 'devil' more directly, but dict.leo.org is fuzzy
[19:21:52] <cradek> I don't understand how/why latency causes position hunting on a still machine
[19:23:07] <mhaberler> thats from Charles, need to ask him
[19:24:11] <zultron> daemon!
[19:24:42] <zultron> (drive by comment while getting an afternoon coffee ;)
[19:25:43] <skunkworks> went to school with a damian
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[19:38:02] <cradek> mhaberler:
http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/0001-Language-and-typesetting-cleanups.patch
[19:38:17] <cradek> mhaberler: I've never seen a binary patch before...
[19:38:31] <mhaberler> well thanks at lot!
[19:38:35] <cradek> good stuff is at the end
[19:38:39] <mhaberler> that was very nice of you
[19:38:45] <cradek> welcome
[19:38:53] <cradek> I hope your talk goes well
[19:39:44] <cradek> I'm not 100% happy with it but I'm out of time I can spend on it
[19:39:46] <cradek> brb
[19:42:16] <mhaberler> thats just fine
[19:42:28] <mhaberler> Architecure.. I like it, in retrospect
[19:46:34] <cradek> I failed at unsplitting Figure 3 and its text
[19:46:35] <mhaberler> I took the liberty to add you to the authors
[19:46:58] <cradek> aha, maybe that extra text fixed figure 3 :-)
[19:47:52] <mhaberler> positvely, this must have been it
[19:47:59] <mhaberler> anyway, off it goes
[19:48:20] <mhaberler> 2:10 before deadline, actually I could have a beer first
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[19:51:17] <cradek> heh my lshort2e.dvi is dated 1995
[19:51:36] <cradek> I bet there are updates since then...
[20:02:33] <mhaberler> submitted - done! thanks a lot again!
[20:02:42] <cradek> yay, welcome
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