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[12:48:27] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03dgarrett 05master 09d6235 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10usr_intf/touchy/filechooser.py 10usr_intf/touchy/touchy.py * touchy: regression fix (loading of file twice)
[12:48:27] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05master 13311d6 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/touchy/filechooser.py * Fix traceback when clicking an empty file-load slot
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[13:02:36] <jepler> totally nitpicking here
[13:02:37] <jepler> + return(fn)
[13:02:51] <jepler> I prefer to see 'return fn', and don't like the syntax that makes a use of return look like a function call
[13:03:01] <jepler> now back to your regularly scheduled actual improvements to linuxcnc
[13:07:02] <cradek> you're probably right - I won't be offended if you fix it (in both places)
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[15:38:36] <seb_kuzminsky> whoops, maybe i should try things out before trying to advise users about them :-/
[15:38:45] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks for correcting me, cradek
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[15:48:21] <cradek> it's just one of the services I provide
[15:48:49] <cradek> I didn't answer in the first place because I wasn't really sure what he was asking :-/
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[15:51:19] <jthornton> turns out increasing stepgen to 16 worked, I just didn't scroll up to see 10-15 after a show pin
[15:51:41] <cradek> oh, alphabetic sort strikes again?
[15:51:52] * jthornton feels a tiny bit embarrassed at that rookie mistake
[15:52:01] <jthornton> yea 10 comes after 1 not 9
[15:52:03] <cradek> 1 10 11 .. 15 2 3 .. 9
[15:52:13] <cradek> that's sure irritating
[15:52:38] <jthornton> at least I know what I did works
[15:52:46] * jthornton goes back to work
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[16:04:28] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe we should change the stepgen numbering scheme in master to "%02d", like the hostmot2 instance numbers? then it sorts right
[16:05:20] <cradek> breaking every config to fix sort order in halcmd?
[16:05:26] <cradek> not sure if serious
[16:05:52] <seb_kuzminsky> http://chicagolionssevens.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/serious-cat.jpg
[16:06:04] <cradek> hahaha
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[16:07:50] <cradek> wow, there are a lot of good "not sure if serious" images.
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[16:21:08] <cradek> huh, I haven't yet been able to figure out how it sorts at all
[16:22:29] <cradek> I think the lists are sorted in memory, and halcmd just traverses them. I was expecting them to be sorted for output.
[16:23:48] <cradek> yeah hal_pin_new does a strcmp() based insertion sort
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[16:27:29] <jepler> that's an odd choice
[16:29:19] <jepler> I see there are lots of places in halcmd you'd have to sort things, but...
[16:29:29] <cradek> and every other hal util
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[16:30:50] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: here's another guy with the same robot arm (in much better shape):
http://orbitusrobotics.com/?p=501
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[16:31:16] <seb_kuzminsky> i've been emailing with him, he reverse engineered the 50-pin connector already and is driving his arm with an arduino
[16:31:40] <cradek> so the question becomes: is there a simple replacement for strcmp that does numeric compare instead of alphabetic
[16:32:00] <jepler> cradek: strcoll() is in C but probably not in the kernel
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[16:32:11] <jepler> it's dependent on LC_COLLATE, but there are not locales in the kernel
[16:33:30] <cradek> I'll just use popen("sort -n")
[16:33:37] <jepler> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1343840/natural-sort-in-c-array-of-strings-containing-numbers-and-letters#answer-1344056
[16:33:50] <jepler> here's an implementation that works assuming all the numbers are strtoul-parsable
[16:33:59] <jepler> well and assuming the assertion that it works is right
[16:35:16] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky: neat! hope it proves useful to you!
[16:35:28] <jepler> for our purposes that implementation is probably adequate
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[16:36:48] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: heh, for some definition of useful ;-)
[16:37:12] <mozmck> :) for playing with non-trivial kinematics anyhow.
[16:37:12] <pcw_home> That would be nice (especially for things like halmeter selection menus )
[16:37:48] <cradek> keeping them sorted lets you not traverse the whole list to search for a duplicate when you're adding something
[16:38:06] <cradek> I think the sorted lists presented to the user are happy accidents
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[17:18:42] <pcw_home> seb_kuzminsky: do you know offhand if a newer module version will make the hm2 driver bail?
[17:18:44] <pcw_home> Couldn't find this in the source, and will try later today (need to add a feature to muxed encoders)
[17:19:43] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: yes, if the module info doesn't match what the hostmot2 driver expects it will not use that module
[17:21:23] <skunkworks> pcw_home, do you know if Micges has had a chance to work on the 7i80 driver?
[17:22:29] <pcw_home> I dont think so I think He's working on Mesaflash and aiolib
[17:22:37] <pcw_home> (ATM)
[17:23:41] <skunkworks> ah
[17:24:14] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: the hm2_md_is_consistent() function implements the check
[17:24:19] <pcw_home> I think the main thing needed is a thorough rototilling of hm2 to consolidate all physical I/O in two or three places
[17:24:21] <pcw_home> (readstart read write)
[17:24:45] <seb_kuzminsky> all the subdrivers call it when they get initialized, and bail if the MD doesn't match what they expect
[17:25:30] <pcw_home> So its all = matches on revisions?
[17:25:34] <jthornton> YIKES!
[17:25:44] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jthornton 05master 61ebd82 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/components/stepgen.c
[17:25:44] <KGB-linuxcnc> increase stepgen to 16
[17:25:44] <KGB-linuxcnc> Signed-off-by: John Thornton <jthornton@gnipsel.com>
[17:26:05] * jthornton waits for the blame list now
[17:34:35] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: the subdriver calls hm2_md_is_consistent() and verifies that the md version, the number of registers, the instance stride, and the multiple registers field all match exactly the expected values
[17:35:01] <seb_kuzminsky> the subdriver can call this function multiple times to see if the MD matches *any* of the ones it knows how to deal with
[17:35:06] <seb_kuzminsky> does that answer your question?
[17:36:25] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton: it's preferable to have the commit message match this format:
http://tbaggery.com/2008/04/19/a-note-about-git-commit-messages.html
[17:36:29] <pcw_home> Yes, I see it in the encoder driver, which is OK with 2 and 3 on muxed encoders
[17:36:40] <seb_kuzminsky> ie: first a subject line, then an empty line, then anything else you feel like adding
[17:36:45] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: cool
[17:37:02] <pcw_home> just need to be ok with 4 (or have the firmware lie)
[17:37:13] <pcw_home> for now
[17:37:45] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton: will you update the stepgen.9 manpage too? it still says 8 is the max
[17:38:03] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: ooh, new encoder features?
[17:38:39] <jthornton> seb_kuzminsky, yes
[17:38:49] <seb_kuzminsky> thx
[17:39:11] <pcw_home> A feature needed to allow isolated muxed encoders or muxed encoders with looong cables
[17:42:13] <pcw_home> programmable sample time for muxed encoder data to allow
[17:42:15] <pcw_home> for significant delays in isolation or 2 way cable flight time
[17:42:18] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jthornton 05master d5138ff 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man9/stepgen.9 * Docs: update man page to 16
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[17:43:16] <pcw_home> (tacked on to the top nibble (31..28) of the filter rate register)
[17:43:38] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks jthornton
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[17:44:19] <pcw_home> also allows higher mux rates by 'tuning out' cable delays
[17:48:14] <jthornton> I'm glad I can help seb_kuzminsky
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[18:05:17] <jepler> sweet, I just got the tracking number for my rostock max.
[18:06:05] <cradek> that was fast
[18:06:14] <jepler> yeah, they said 3-5 days lead time but I just ordered yesterday
[18:07:21] <cradek> when do you expect it now?
[18:08:49] <jepler> UPS says ground shipping time from their zip code to eastern nebraska is 2 days, so probably monday
[18:09:04] <cradek> whee
[18:09:07] <jepler> my weekend's full so it's best if it doesn't show up friday
[18:09:24] <seb_kuzminsky> fun
[18:10:01] <jepler> (friend's wedding and wife's birthday)
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[18:56:58] <cradek> This is 2013 the buliten board system has been replaced with newer better technologies. We have the internet and community forums.
[18:57:19] * cradek sighs
[18:57:49] <skunkworks> heh
[18:58:04] * skunkworks uses both...
[18:58:45] <skunkworks> actually - I think linuxcnc is the first mailing list I joined.. (other than maybe yahoo groups - that is sort of like a mailing list...)
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[19:00:15] <cradek> the "It's [year]!" argument always makes me smile
[19:01:29] <skunkworks> I think on the fourms they do pretty good.. If someones question isn't moving- quite a few times people will say - post on the mailing list...
[19:01:55] <cradek> this guy seems to put his question in both places at the same time
[19:02:05] <cradek> I wish people wouldn't do that particular thing
[19:02:34] <cradek> sometimes list-only-users do that too (both mailing lists at the same time) and it's bad practice
[19:02:49] <skunkworks> sure
[19:07:07] <cradek> er, to be clear, where he says "buliten board system" he means the mailing list
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[19:07:45] <cradek> IMO a forum is entirely more like a BBS than a mailing list is, but whatever
[19:08:26] <cradek> and I agree BBSes were replaced with something better: usenet
[19:08:53] <cradek> and mailing lists are a lousy workaround to avoid the usenet spam
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[19:34:24] <jepler> can we just go back to fidonet (-over-ipv6 or something)?
[19:36:20] <skunkworks> jepler, thanks again - The printer port reset works great for sending a clock singal to the lathe. the octal latch is transparent then.
[19:36:52] <skunkworks> dad is having a big time. Just got the encoder/index hooked up in hal. Video soon I hope.
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[19:37:31] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: dont bother, if it doesnt have nontrivial kinematics, jepler won't be interested
[19:38:14] <skunkworks> heh
[19:38:44] <skunkworks> jepler, seb_kuzminsky, I just posted on the list another delta kins..
[19:39:03] <seb_kuzminsky> i saw that - it's a cool demo
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[20:00:50] <cradek> that's an interesting license statement:
http://kvarc.extra.hu/step/motor/emc/emckinematics.html
[20:01:44] <jepler> I would sure not incorporate that code into linuxcnc
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[20:02:23] <cradek> yes certainly not
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[20:03:40] <seb_kuzminsky> because of the license? or some concern about the code itself?
[20:03:52] <cradek> I only got as far as the license
[20:03:55] <jepler> because of the license
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[20:05:19] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: what are your thoughts about ja3 merge before 2.6?
[20:05:52] <seb_kuzminsky> i got bogged down trying to rebase it :-(
[20:06:20] <seb_kuzminsky> there's a bunch of sketchy commits early in the history (i'm about half way through)
[20:06:30] <cradek> ah
[20:06:44] <seb_kuzminsky> so far i've seen some of the early bogosity get cleaned up, but i dont know if it all gets cleaned up
[20:06:45] <cradek> now I remember you talking about this task
[20:07:46] <seb_kuzminsky> it's on my top-2 list for 2.6, just after the new rtos branch ;-)
[20:08:10] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm planning to work on it more before making a recommendation
[20:08:27] <seb_kuzminsky> i think there are people running it successfully, but i've never tried it
[20:08:42] <jepler> I think you may take too hard a line against merging
[20:09:09] <jepler> for long-lived topic branches the work-benefit ratio is bad
[20:09:36] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: you think i'm being too ocd about understanding the long and sordid past of ja3?
[20:09:40] <seb_kuzminsky> ah yes
[20:09:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i think you may be right
[20:10:33] <jepler> they are super ocd about this kind of thing in git but we're not developers of source code management software...
[20:10:47] <jepler> perfect, enemy of good, etc
[20:10:50] <seb_kuzminsky> yes
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[20:14:37] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: have you run ja3? are you planning to use it for your rostock?
[20:17:12] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: no and yes .. but I think it will be some time before I try that
[20:17:12] <jepler> my expectation is that I'll use it for awhile with the original electronics (RAMBo) until I get motivated to design some kind of mesa-based interface
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[20:17:29] <jepler> rambo puts the avr on the same board with the power electronics so unfortunately it's not going to be very reusable
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[20:23:11] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: so unfortunately not in a time frame to be useful feedback on whether you should merge ja3
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[20:30:14] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, that's the situation for me too
[20:30:26] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd feel a lot more confident if i knew anyone who had experience running it for a while
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[20:32:07] <seb_kuzminsky> the lack of actual experience makes me want to understand at least the endpoint of the branch (and preferably the history)
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[20:35:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i started this whole robot arm project to get an excuse to play more with ja3, we'll see what the schedule for that turns out to be...
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[23:31:03] <andypugh> seb_kuzminsky: You might want to talk to Viesturs, I am pretty sure he has _sold_ JA3 systems to customers.
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