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[00:52:34] <cradek> memleak: -lpthread is an obvious thing to try...
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[02:07:48] <memleak> cradek... you're amazing
[02:10:29] <memleak> it fully compiled.. i can't believe it..
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[03:17:05] <cradek> yay!
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[03:53:57] <memleak> not anymore actually.. /home/ntu/devel/linuxcnc/src/emc/kinematics/5axiskins.c:32:18: error: SSE register return with SSE disabled
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[03:54:51] <memleak> (in other words, sin, cos, and sincos doesn't compile)
[03:55:46] <memleak> hey hey! you're the author of that file!
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[04:03:53] <memleak> could be a lousy kernel config.. brb
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[15:12:36] <mhaberler> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1556142/sse-register-return-with-sse-disabled
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[15:39:18] <cradek> are you having this problem?
[15:39:25] <mhaberler> no
[15:39:29] <mhaberler> memleak had
[15:39:37] <cradek> it smells familiar
[15:39:54] <mhaberler> kernel math I guess
[15:42:31] <jepler> we've had several go-rounds of adding and removing compiler flags in kernel mode that are about the use of FP registers on 64-bit platforms
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[15:48:11] <jepler> I guess it's still not entirely happy
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[16:34:11] <mhaberler> that probably wont change, as kernel math is frowned up so we're a bit out on a limb
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[16:36:09] <mhaberler> jepler: http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc-devel/2013-06-07.html#17:55:12
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[17:00:28] <psha> mhaberler: around?
[17:00:49] <mhaberler> da,da
[17:02:00] <mhaberler> any news on the json2pb front?
[17:03:41] <mhaberler> samovar exploded ;-?
[17:05:06] <psha> sry, phone
[17:05:16] <psha> i've uploaded to github WIP for pb2json
[17:05:25] <mhaberler> sure
[17:05:28] <mhaberler> whoa!
[17:05:38] <mhaberler> clone from renenglish?
[17:05:58] <psha> i'll clean it up a bit and also there is nice patch in one of forks
[17:07:40] <mhaberler> excellent, I'll give it a workout
[17:08:01] <mhaberler> I'm still leaning on the author to add a license. try#3 in 2 months
[17:08:23] <mhaberler> which fork you were referring to?
[17:08:54] <mhaberler> ah, ms705
[17:09:15] <mhaberler> super, thats needed for wrapping legacy formats
[17:11:35] <psha> https://github.com/kennethho/pb2json/commit/d6ecdbb1b75da7f2c46c059fc69016586aa387e8
[17:12:58] <mhaberler> oh, use std::string - makes sense
[17:14:24] <mhaberler> I like it: "C++-ified pb2json. "
[17:15:54] <mhaberler> well, that library looks like it's coming together; there were frequent requests for such a functionality on the protobuf list
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[18:34:33] <psha> btw if you'll have problems with pb2json license - maybe it's better to just rewrite it
[18:36:29] <mhaberler> could well be; well lets see - if this request times out again I'll probably dump his code
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[18:41:51] <psha> ok
[18:41:59] <psha> just eat my brainz a bit more
[18:42:21] <psha> i suspect it'll take 3-4 hours to code this from scratch
[18:42:32] <psha> and some time to stabilize
[18:43:17] <mhaberler> well it is just super convenient, add the converter in front of the pb2 stream, plug into websockets, done
[18:43:32] <mhaberler> doesnt get easier and stronger typechecked than that
[18:43:51] <mhaberler> now of course if somebody would add a websockets socket type to zmq.. but thats polish
[18:45:33] <mhaberler> that was a really great idea, that loose json typing is a bit of an issue, very easy to generate 'good looking' json which is bs
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[19:30:34] <memleak> hello!
[19:31:43] <memleak> I've got the same issue as this person: http://www.mail-archive.com/emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net/msg07633.html mhaberler: your idea to fix this was to "pre-page faulting all RT code into memory" how would one actually go about doing that?
[19:32:49] <mhaberler> which kernel
[19:33:13] <memleak> RT_PREEMPT anywhere from 3.2 to 3.8.11
[19:33:25] <memleak> this issue happened with RTAI as well on many different boards.
[19:33:41] <mhaberler> read src/rtapi/sim_rtapi_app.cc, this should prefault memory
[19:35:51] <memleak> that isn't built by default? (at least not used, rather?)
[19:36:00] <mhaberler> also read this http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-command-to-see-major-minor-pagefaults/ and try to find out if its major or minor page faults
[19:36:06] <mhaberler> it is
[19:36:20] <memleak> clearly it's not doing anything...
[19:36:59] <memleak> thanks for the link!
[19:37:37] <memleak> and after i find that out, you know a fix depending on if its major or minor?
[19:38:55] <mhaberler> disregard that - I mixed somthing up, there shouldnt be any after prefaulting
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[19:39:17] <mhaberler> why 'clearly', are you sure it isnt executed?
[19:39:33] <memleak> its not prefaulting if its faulting when i run latency-test..
[19:39:34] <mhaberler> did you make setuid root
[19:39:37] <memleak> yes
[19:40:06] <memleak> you told me not to install to /usr
[19:40:15] <mhaberler> well maybe there is a way to find out where this pf occur, this could give a hint
[19:40:39] <memleak> alrighty! i cant believe its the same issue on every single computer here.
[19:43:09] <memleak> I've tried using zcache, cleancache, zsmalloc, and still nothin
[19:45:46] <memleak> ps -o min_flt,maj_flt 1 shows 246 for minor faults, 17 major
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[19:49:10] <memleak> i should probably look at the entire system faults when latency-test is running, yes?
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[19:53:01] <memleak> 9059 minor faults, 1 major on linuxcnc/bin/rtapi_app. 795 minor, 2 major on halcmd -f lat.hal. 730 minor on latency-test. 8947 minor on [rtapi_app] <defunct>
[19:53:04] <mhaberler> sorry, I dont know enough about that but it would be valuable to have that resolved
[19:53:23] <mhaberler> halcmd is irrelevant because its userland
[19:53:29] <mhaberler> only rtapi_app counts
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[19:54:15] <memleak> theres two. [rtapi_app] <defunc> and /home/linuxcnc/linuxcnc/bin/rtapi_app
[19:54:24] <mhaberler> also the pf counts should be reset after prefaulting, not sure if that happens - otherwise you observe the prefaulting code doing faults
[19:55:06] <mhaberler> defunct means zombie process so its irrelevant
[19:56:13] <memleak> so only the one that says load threads name1=fast period1=25000 name2=slow period2=1000000
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[19:59:05] <memleak> would the exact numbers of the missed scheduling deadline help you debug this problem at all?
[20:02:27] <mhaberler> no
[20:02:45] <mhaberler> I did not write this code, maybe talk to Lars Segerlund
[20:05:12] <mhaberler> what would help is to find the code location which causes the pagefault, and why it happened - in theory RT code should always reference already faulted memory (ie allocated), but I have no idea how to do that
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[20:08:45] <memleak> i get the same weird latency jumps on the ubuntu live cd as well
[20:09:00] <memleak> (linuxcnc ubuntu live cd)
[20:10:08] <memleak> im gunna try it on my other computer (this one) brb..
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[20:19:49] <memleak> works fine on this computer at least (the livecd)
[20:20:49] <memleak> so you think i should talk to lars segerlund? would he know about the latency issue as well or just the pagefault? or is the latency issue caused by the pagefaults?
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[20:25:47] <mhaberler> well why dont you try to find out why it works fine one one and not on another machine?
[20:27:49] <memleak> this is one of those times where i wish i could say "because the other one is stupid"
[20:29:11] <memleak> im gunna try a bunch of things, be back in a few hours i presume.
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[21:27:36] <memleak> question though, is it possible that latency can be directly affected by pagefaults?
[21:30:50] <seb_kuzminsky> memleak: yes, page faults definitely increase latency
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[21:32:43] <memleak> ok so if i fix the pagefaults this issue should go away.
[21:33:13] <seb_kuzminsky> if you stop having pagefaults, your latency should improve some
[21:33:25] <memleak> awesome thanks.
[21:33:40] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont know how much of your latency is due to pagefaults and how much is due to other issues, so i dont know how much latency will improve
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[21:53:27] <cradek> did you say rtai results are good on the same hardware?
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[22:01:41] <memleak> rtai results were good on one
[22:01:59] <memleak> it didnt boot on the other.
[22:02:23] <memleak> (on one computer) sheesh i keep speaking in fragments.
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[22:05:44] <memleak> ubuntu cant handle my hardware, it requires a newer kernel to boot it.
[22:06:36] <memleak> 2.6.32 is a bit ancient for that box, heh
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