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[01:40:52] <skunkworks> KimK: it doesn't look like the Xenomai kernel is running..
[01:41:25] <skunkworks> did you follow these? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NewRTInstall
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[01:49:28] <skunkworks> what is the output of uname -a?
[01:50:51] <skunkworks> well - it is right here.. [ 0.000000] Linux version 3.5.0-31-generic (buildd@allspice) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) ) #52~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 17 15:27:06 UTC 2013 (Ubuntu 3.5.0-31.52~precise1-generic 3.5.7.11)
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[01:55:23] <skunkworks> KimK_2:
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[02:24:41] <KimK> skunkworks: I'm over here, lol. No, the xenomai (or RTAI, or whatever) kernel is not running, I'm trying to build it, I think. Yes, I was following the ...RT... wiki, I can get up to the "runtests" point. Yesterday, the runtests didn't come back at all, but today after a git pull and rebuild, the runtests finish, but with, what was it, six failures? If that's normal at this point, then I'll continue, but I assume it's not normal.
[02:26:52] <KimK> skunkworks: I also put the output of uname -a in directly, in my pastebin to mhaberler.
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[02:39:23] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i submit this for inclusion in the linuxcnc.org deb archive: http://highlab.com/~seb/linuxcnc/libmodbus/
[02:39:48] <seb_kuzminsky> it's debs of libmodbus 3.0.1 for hardy and lucid, i386 and amd64
[02:42:21] <seb_kuzminsky> built from the precise dsc source, with very minor mods in order to be understandable to the hardy and lucid dpkg tools
[02:44:30] <seb_kuzminsky> it goes with the libmodbus3 branch on git.highlab.com (i don't want to push it to git.linuxcnc.org yet because it needs those debs in order to to build)
[02:44:41] <seb_kuzminsky> that branch is on top of master
[02:45:08] <seb_kuzminsky> it updates gs2_vfd.c to work with libmodbus3, and gets rid of our forked old copy of libmodbus2
[02:45:13] <seb_kuzminsky> details in the commit messages
[02:45:39] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll be around tonight to answer questions etc, and i'll be around on and off until friday noonish
[02:45:57] <skunkworks> what happens after friday noonish?
[02:46:37] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: did you see sleepy pants? http://www.electronicsam.com/images/house/Stella.JPG
[02:46:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i go up to apogaea and hopefully set the sculpture that my wife and i built on fire! http://apogaea.com/
[02:47:01] <seb_kuzminsky> nice :-)
[02:47:09] <seb_kuzminsky> nothing like a walk to put a baby to sleep :-)
[02:47:36] <skunkworks> that was a long walk.. about 5 hours.
[02:47:42] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: cool
[02:47:49] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl, reading stories to the kids
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[03:09:46] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll post something to the list about it
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[06:53:39] <mhaberler> jepler: I consider dropping conditionally importing those bitops from some environment (i.e. kernel) altogether, and go for a fully self-contained set of ops; that'd imply rename the use to rtap_<op>
[06:54:18] <mhaberler> that is more in line with the concept of a portable realtime API
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[07:39:44] <KimK_2> mhaberler: Please disregard the pastebin I posted for you while you were gone (in case you were checking the log). I skipped a step and things are looking better now. I have not yet set isolcpus=1, but I had glxgears running x8 (that was too much, retrying x4), and a dvd playing, and latency test looks promising. I'll let it run all night and see. Thanks for your help, and zultron and skunkworks too.
[07:42:01] <KimK_2> Oh, can I still set isolcpus=1 under the new regime? Or has that gone away now?
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[08:43:10] <mhaberler> KimK_2: sorry, but without covering the basics as I suggested this is useless - please post the information I suggested, I cannot interpret random error messages without knowing what platform/os/branch etc this runs on
[08:43:36] <mhaberler> that is: kernel - from where, output of dmesg
[08:43:55] <mhaberler> platform: ubuntu, debian, whatever - including version info
[08:44:20] <mhaberler> linuxcnc: the branch and the output of configure as stored in configure.log
[08:44:56] <mhaberler> I am not standing behind you, so I cannot tell
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[11:55:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jthornton 05v2.5_branch 3dc1577 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man9/weighted_sum.9 * Docs: add info about thread requirements
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[12:53:45] <jepler> mhaberler: I agree heartily with adding an rtapi_ prefix.
[12:54:07] <mhaberler> ok, fair enough
[12:54:09] <jepler> mhaberler: and if it turns out it's less code to write if they always delegate to a gcc intrinsic and never to a kernel function that's fine
[12:54:55] <mhaberler> that's what I had in mind, I dont think there's significant 'efficiencies' to be gained, but surely breakage potentiaö
[12:56:13] <jepler> from anything I've seen, there might be some tiny things in the single-digit-number-of-cycles range
[12:56:55] <mhaberler> for instance, I'd rather use this flavor of test_bit: http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb?p=emc2-dev.git;a=blob;f=src/rtapi/rtapi_bitops.h;h=ad7c5d363fd382ba8f63e54ed9c2511d832c3913;hb=5b9519d9598bee2e18500c814916bc7e01ebc86d#l87 instead of the one we had
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[13:00:17] <jepler> 47 #define _GCCMM_ __ATOMIC_SEQ_CST
[13:00:24] <jepler> is _GCCMM_ a symbol used by the compiler?
[13:04:18] <jepler> test_and_set_bit / test_and_clear_bit should not take pointer-to-const, as they do modify the pointed-to storage
[13:09:04] <jepler> in the atomic version of test_and_set_bit you should be using _BIT_MASK not _BIT
[13:12:17] <mhaberler> oh, sorry, thats history, renamed to MEMORY_MODEL
[13:13:19] <mhaberler> passed as arg#3 to the _atomic_* ops
[13:19:10] <mhaberler> in fact I think it should be _BIT_MASK not _BIT throughout
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[13:20:38] <jepler> https://gist.github.com/jepler/5705802
[13:20:47] <mhaberler> for any bitmap with more than 32bits _BIT is plain wrong
[13:20:50] <jepler> mostly this just slaps rtapi_ prefixes on more things
[13:21:43] <jepler> I am not sure what the purpose of {...} around the memsets was
[13:22:20] <mhaberler> RTAPI_USE_ATOMIC 0 implies the asm versions stay in there, right?
[13:22:46] <jepler> no, it's just like your USE_ATOMIC to select __atomic_ or __sync_
[13:23:04] <mhaberler> oh I see, of course, so the asm versions are history then
[13:23:11] <jepler> in my mind yes
[13:23:14] <mhaberler> ok
[13:23:39] <jepler> though for the purposes of ensuring this is tested, I'd complicate things a bit
[13:23:58] <jepler> step 1: with current implementations, make the names like rtapi_test_and_set_bit available
[13:24:13] <jepler> step 2: write a test of rtapi_test_and_set_bit that we think is thorough
[13:24:19] <jepler> step 3: transition to the new (asm-less) implementation
[13:24:55] <mhaberler> fair enough
[13:24:57] <jepler> otherwise if we just write the tests to the new code we won't have as much confidence it provides what we think the old code provides
[13:25:04] <jepler> but like I said it makes more work :-/
[13:25:21] <jepler> step 1 is pretty much #define rtapi_test_and_set_bit test_and_set_bit I think
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[13:25:56] <mhaberler> do you agree _BIT needs to be replaced by _BIT_MASK practically everywhere since we assume arbitrary-sized maps?
[13:26:04] <jepler> yes I think that is right
[13:26:49] <jepler> also we need to clarify which of the introduced identifiers are public. I dropped the _ prefix for ones that are "probably not public APIs" because identifiers of the form _[A-Z] are reserved for the compiler
[13:26:54] <jepler> so _RTAPI is no go
[13:27:02] <jepler> a convention might be RTAPI__PRIVATE
[13:27:27] <mhaberler> ok, then thats the mah 'dynamit fishing method of refactoring', which is: change the definition/declaration and wade through the fallout ;)
[13:28:23] <jepler> anyway, another difference between yours and mine is that I retain the void* type of the argument and the int return type
[13:29:05] <jepler> particularly the return type I review as being just a truth value, not a bit mask
[13:29:12] <mhaberler> ah, ok, you cast them
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[13:29:56] <jepler> keeping the void * argument type may or may not simplify the transition, I don't care that strongly about the argument type
[13:30:41] <jepler> also RTAPI_BITS_PER_LONG is now a bad name
[13:30:46] <jepler> RTAPI_BITS_PER_ATOMIC or so
[13:31:07] <mhaberler> well you'd get a warning if you make the ptr typed, and make it point to a bitmap of the wrong type
[13:31:21] <mhaberler> that'd be an advantage I think
[13:31:51] <jepler> and there's the size and alignment issue to think of
[13:32:06] <jepler> yeah, probably better to have the argument be rtapi_atomic_type *
[13:32:28] <mhaberler> that ontop; with void you can have it point to a char, get no warning but a surprise
[13:32:40] <jepler> I have a terrible question
[13:32:43] <jepler> I hope the answer is "no"
[13:32:57] <jepler> would we ever want to allow both 32- and 64-bit users of the same rtapi session?
[13:33:05] <mhaberler> holy cow
[13:33:21] <jepler> on that note, I have to go poof for a time
[13:33:32] <mhaberler> well it aint in my list..
[13:33:35] <mhaberler> why?
[13:33:59] <mhaberler> you mean mixed builds on one platform?
[13:34:56] <mhaberler> I think the question is akin to: can I run a 32bit rtapi and a 64bit usercomp
[13:35:01] <mhaberler> now, that is
[13:35:06] <mhaberler> or vice versa
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[13:35:51] <mhaberler> given there are no bona-fide pointers in a shmseg, just offsets, it might actually work; not sure about alignment restrcitions though
[13:36:33] <mhaberler> then the question is: what would one gain by enabling that?
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[13:40:46] <mhaberler> any, will be off for a while, will read back
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[14:04:23] <jepler> well I was just realizing that while the hal types have known sizes the rtapi_atomic_type would not
[14:04:49] <jepler> so for instance if you had a 48-element bitmap it would be 4 bytes on 32-bit systems and 8 bytes on 64-bit systems
[14:05:02] <jepler> as long as we don't care about this 32+64 thing it's fine
[14:05:43] <jepler> anyway forget it, it's not something we think we support now so..
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[14:42:37] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05master 86147c9 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/sim.tbl * Revert part of "gmoccapy 0.9.2 - now with lathe support"
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[14:44:32] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: Let's work on those packages whenever you have time
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[15:09:27] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: ok thanks!
[15:09:48] <seb_kuzminsky> i think they're ready to go, just need some more eyeballs on them, then roll them in to the deb archive if they look good
[15:10:04] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm available on and off today
[15:10:29] <cradek> I'm not sure I'm the right eyeballs, but I know where to stick 'em
[15:10:32] <seb_kuzminsky> haha
[15:10:38] <seb_kuzminsky> oh hey, thanks for fixing the sim.tbl thing
[15:10:45] <cradek> no problem
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[15:11:09] <cradek> XYZ offsets on simulated mills would have been a bit baffling I think
[15:11:18] <cradek> I'm glad dewey was watching
[15:13:27] <seb_kuzminsky> so i made those packages by fetching the precise libmodbus source package, tweaking the dsc format to an older one understandable by hardy & lucid, and building all 4 packages in pbuilder
[15:13:27] <seb_kuzminsky> the precise libmodbus dsc wasn't actually using any of the advanced dsc features, so it was easy
[15:13:27] <cradek> I love it when that works
[15:13:28] <seb_kuzminsky> i test-installed lucid-i386 and hardy-i386 but neither of the amd64 ones
[15:14:52] <cradek> so you'll make master's package(s) depend on libmodbus, and rip out our tree's copy of it?
[15:14:52] <seb_kuzminsky> i build the libmodbus3 branch with and without libmodbus-dev installed, and it all behaved as expected, with --with-libmodbus, with --without-libmodbus, and without either
[15:14:53] <seb_kuzminsky> yep, that stuff's all done, in the libmodbus3 branch on highlab
[15:14:53] <cradek> yay
[15:14:53] <cradek> sounds perfect
[15:14:53] <seb_kuzminsky> 2.5 is totally untouched, master will build-depend on libmodbus-dev
[15:14:53] <cradek> yep that's great
[15:14:53] <cradek> oops brb
[15:14:54] <seb_kuzminsky> ttyl
[15:17:32] <seb_kuzminsky> oh hey speaking of funny stuff in master, i've been running master on my bridgeport for the past several days testing out this libmodbus stuff with my gs2 vfd, and i noticed...
[15:17:46] <seb_kuzminsky> the DRO inside the backplot preview tab is all different
[15:18:08] <seb_kuzminsky> it now includes coordinate system offsets and g92 offsets and tlo and dtg, but it no longer includes velocity
[15:18:23] <seb_kuzminsky> i looked around in the menus, but i did not see any way to customize what's displayed in there
[15:18:48] <seb_kuzminsky> it looks a little cluttered on my tiny screen, and i miss having current machine velocity visible, i find it pretty useful
[15:18:53] <seb_kuzminsky> </whine>
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[15:22:44] <cradek> If you're talking about AXIS, I think the menu options still change it, but in a different way from before
[15:23:36] <seb_kuzminsky> yes, that's axis
[15:23:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll look again
[15:24:08] <cradek> I haven't used master for real work for a long time -- I probably should...
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[15:27:26] <jepler> http://softsolder.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/x-axis-450-mm-s-50-mm-100-us-div-41-9-ms-dly.png (from http://softsolder.com/2013/06/04/marlin-firmware-stepper-interrupt-timing/)
[15:27:39] <seb_kuzminsky> i felt all responsible when i finally ran master on my mill
[15:27:51] <jepler> ugh, what a terrible compromise they have to make to get high step rate on 3+ axes in a microcontroller: they bundle multiple step pulses together
[15:28:05] <seb_kuzminsky> that looks awful!
[15:28:21] <cradek> I'm surprised motors can track it
[15:28:31] <jepler> in that scope capture, it's issuing two steps per interrupt on the left and 4 per interrupt at the right
[15:28:33] <seb_kuzminsky> i think they can't, often
[15:29:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i have friends with 3d printers and their prints are often wrong in ways that could be explained by lost steps
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[15:29:21] <jepler> I *think* that these are typically connected to 16x microstepping drives, so it would be like switching from microstepping to quarter-stepping; maybe it's fine
[15:29:30] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe sometimes
[15:30:59] <cradek> if that actually works, it's clever
[15:33:53] <cradek> It's not clear (to me, anyway) whether: [five bullet points]
[15:34:10] <cradek> I really like ed's blog
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[15:35:55] <jepler> you'd want to be pretty confident that when you switched from 1x to 2x or 2x to 4x you were in a known phase (e.g, at a step angle of 0 instead of a step angle of 22.5°)
[15:36:14] <seb_kuzminsky> ed's writings are great
[15:36:33] <jepler> at least it seems like ending up with the motor always pulled 1/8 step away from a full step would be bad
[15:36:49] <jepler> eh anyway
[15:37:29] <jepler> at least the timings of the stepper chip are modest (1us high / 1us low) so you can do your 4 pulses in about 8us
[15:37:49] <pcw_home> Sure seems like it would excite resonances at some step rates
[15:38:50] <cradek> I think some of the geckos have or had step multipliers on them. if they always multiply, and the drive starts up in a rest state, it seems like you'd continue to get what you want
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[15:39:17] <jepler> yeah
[15:39:22] <cradek> a simple hack to our stepgen to always generate N steps at a time would be equivalent
[15:39:38] <jepler> not particularly simple, but certainly possible
[15:39:59] <cradek> if the drive could see them at outb-rate it seems easy (add a few outbs)
[15:40:22] <jepler> except now you need a non-bit value transported from stepgen to parport
[15:40:44] <cradek> oh, hm, right
[15:42:41] <cradek> his auto-expanding blog now hopelessly breaks the back button
[15:42:50] <cradek> this new web thing is obnoxious
[15:43:23] <jepler> rss
[15:43:47] <cradek> heh, "then just stop using a web browser"?
[15:43:59] <jepler> though he doesn't have full-text rss
[15:44:11] <jepler> cradek: pretty much
[15:44:20] <cradek> "never left click" also works
[15:44:47] <jepler> I use "open in new tab" so much that I really don't use the back button anymore
[15:44:53] <jepler> it assists my BFS of the internet
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[15:51:20] <skunkworks> bigger faster stronger?
[15:52:34] <jepler> breadth-first search
[15:52:44] <skunkworks> heh
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[15:53:59] <skunkworks> (yes - I did have to wiki it...)
[15:54:22] <tjtr33> hello, where is source for 5axiskins? ( search for "5a*" yields nothing in my rip tree )
[15:55:07] <jepler> src/emc/kinematics/5axiskins.c
[15:55:19] <tjtr33> thx!
[15:56:03] <tjtr33> not here, will have to look further
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[15:57:08] <jepler> back in november there was some discussion about how 5axiskins was not a good building block because of the way it handles TLO
[15:57:11] <jepler> (tool length offset)
[15:57:28] <cradek> I cleaned that up
[15:57:32] <jepler> cradek: ok
[15:57:36] <skunkworks> and now it is back in master...
[15:57:42] <jepler> it looks like in git history it was deleted and then revived?
[15:57:51] <cradek> yeah I wasn't particularly ept about it
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[15:59:13] <tjtr33> eh? so its gone & back again ( in something later than my rip LinuxCNC/AXIS version 2.6.0~pre )
[15:59:36] <seb_kuzminsky> tjtr33: when was the last time you fetched from the git repo on linuxcnc.org?
[15:59:38] <cradek> we can't know that unless you tell us what ref you have
[15:59:54] <jepler> it looks like it was removed from November 16 to April 9
[16:00:34] <jepler> in current master branch it's there -- ref 86147c9
[16:01:02] <tjtr33> the answer is always difficult... when? = mmaybe 6 mo ago, the version? it reports version 2.6.0~pre and the 'ref" never heard of such an identifier
[16:01:18] <tjtr33> i suppose i'll just git clone another version
[16:01:25] <jepler> no need to git clone
[16:01:46] <tjtr33> ok, what should i try?
[16:01:48] <jepler> you can e.g., use git pull to get upstream changes
[16:01:50] <tjtr33> and thx
[16:02:03] <jepler> if you have no local changes this will work without intervention
[16:02:11] <jepler> if you have some local change then it may require you to take additional steps
[16:02:33] <tjtr33> i have no local chgs , so just 'git pull' ?
[16:02:37] <jepler> yes
[16:02:56] <tjtr33> thx very much ( i can understand those instrux :)
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[16:15:49] <tjtr33> got it , thx all ( long time to study this now, wanted it for a DMG style swivel-rotary http://videobin.org/+6nh/7wv.html )
[16:19:16] <jepler> tjtr33: good luck! glad we got you on track
[16:19:29] <jepler> what days does the wichita event officially run?
[16:19:52] <jepler> ah, 17-23
[16:21:28] <cradek> what day will you drive up?
[16:21:33] <cradek> er, down
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[16:26:37] <jepler> I am still debating that
[16:26:46] <jepler> I'm thinking about driving down sunday night
[16:26:58] <jepler> and driving back the next sunday afternoon
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[16:27:35] <jepler> though I could even leave monday morning and there might be some sense to that
[16:27:38] <jepler> start with a night of sleep
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[16:30:52] <jepler> A coffee/tea maker, a coffee/tea maker, and a refrigerator are supplied
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[16:34:31] <cradek> is there a coffee maker?
[16:35:03] <skunkworks> https://maps.google.com/maps?q=8925+W.+Kellogg+Wichita,+Ks.+67209&hl=en&ll=37.669521,-97.446125&spn=0.000516,0.000817&sll=44.900771,-89.56949&sspn=10.70744,26.784668&t=h&hnear=8925+W+Kellogg+Ave,+Wichita,+Kansas+67209&z=21&layer=c&cbll=37.669521,-97.446125&panoid=2grsoPou4BiJS5TOlu8JKw&cbp=12,160.51,,0,-7.38
[16:35:04] <tjtr33> dunoo if this got bad reviews but i rented it for the week (full kitchen 204$/wk ) http://www.valueplace.com/extended-stay-hotels/locations/Kansas/Wichita-KS-West/
[16:35:14] <skunkworks> that was where we stayed last time...
[16:35:47] <skunkworks> I remember the cowboy sign... (to the right)
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[16:39:40] <tjtr33> thx all, bye
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[16:40:08] <cradek> I've stayed at western holiday too. it was basic and fine
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[16:41:18] <cradek> 204/wk sounds great if it's clean
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[16:55:52] <jepler> andypugh: I tried to book hampton inn west but they're full :-/
[16:56:13] <cradek> oh no
[16:56:33] <jepler> there are other hotels
[16:56:42] <jepler> I'll try booking something else after lunch
[16:57:08] <skunkworks> andypugh, cool direct drive washing machine motor video.
[17:00:55] <andypugh> I have realised that at 24V it only runs at 3A, and should run at 6 continuous, rather more peak. This means that there is a lot more torque to be had. (and it wasn't that short of torque at 24V. I could easily stall it, but I was acting at full diameter)
[17:01:17] <andypugh> Motel 6 was cheap, or did you cancel that?
[17:02:29] <skunkworks> did you see the comment on the video.. calculates out to about 1500watts
[17:02:51] <andypugh> Which sounds pretty useful for a lathe spindle motor.
[17:02:54] <skunkworks> yes
[17:03:34] <andypugh> I am thinking of making my own lathe. I want a big through-bore :-)
[17:03:42] <skunkworks> neat!
[17:04:31] <skunkworks> what kind of rpm do you think you could get?
[17:04:59] <andypugh> Well, washing machines typically spin to 1500rpm
[17:05:10] <skunkworks> that is a nice lathe rpm
[17:05:29] <andypugh> Might be asking a lot of software commutation.
[17:06:46] <pcw_home> How many pole?
[17:08:46] <andypugh> 12 magnets, 2N and 2S per magnet.
[17:08:55] <andypugh> So, 24 pole, I think.
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[17:13:15] <pcw_home> so 300 Hz at 1500 RPM so needs hardware (3.333 ms for 360 electrical degrees) so about 2-3 KHz minimum
[17:13:32] <pcw_home> (if done in servo thread)
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[17:14:03] <andypugh> I wonder if there is an argument for a fast non-fp thread in bldc?
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[17:15:57] <pcw_home> possibly or maybe even a phase accumulator for 3pwmgen (so you set the angle and W)
[17:16:23] <pcw_home> We do mean to add that to the 8I20
[17:16:56] <andypugh> Ah, yes, no point having a fast-thread in bldc, as Hostmt2_write is serv-thread only.
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[17:18:07] <pcw_home> basically the same stuff would be added to 8I20 and 3pwmgen (a velocity pin)
[17:18:50] <andypugh> Yes, that is probably all that is required.
[17:19:42] <pcw_home> (3pwmgen would need to have sine table so becomes polar coordinates)
[17:20:03] <andypugh> Though that is a major change to 3pmgen, as that currently take three separate phase voltages, not amplitude and phase.
[17:20:52] <pcw_home> Yeah I guess it would be a different beast
[17:21:43] <pcw_home> Much easier in the 8I20 (add a pin)
[17:22:21] <andypugh> Well, bldc currently offers both, and I have been thinking of adding velocity output (and position, and position-interpolated). The driver module could offer both options, and convert between the two depending on which the firmware undersands.
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[17:25:34] <pcw_home> if the low level hardware can extrapolate the commutation angle
[17:25:36] <pcw_home> it makes it possible to run quite high commutation rates at a low servo thread rate
[17:27:34] <pcw_home> but the hardware will likely be fairly stupid so will need a scaled velocity signal
[17:27:36] <pcw_home> (and possible velocity set to 0 for low speed tasks like alignment)
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[17:40:37] <andypugh> It all seems plausible, at least.
[17:41:36] <skunkworks> andypugh, http://hackedgadgets.com/2008/12/16/cnc-machine-built-using-washing-machine-motors/
[17:41:40] <pcw_home> Probably the 8I20 hack would be a good test
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[17:42:24] <andypugh> skunkworks: Yes, I have seen that. He thinks they are stepper motors. See comment 10....
[17:42:29] <pcw_home> I saw that but they are using the WMM as big step motors
[17:42:53] <skunkworks> right
[17:43:29] <skunkworks> andypugh, cool
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[19:00:49] <seb_kuzm1nsky> cradek: wanna talk about modbus more?
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[19:04:56] <cradek> we can try, but freenode keeps dropping me
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[19:07:18] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah it's a mess here too
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[19:09:50] <seb_kuzminsky> so i think things are ready to go on my side, i'll be happy to do any additional tests anyone suggests, i'd appreciate a review of the libmodbus3 branch on highlab and any inspection/testing anyone would like to do of the debs
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[19:11:51] <cradek> I see in your mail that gs2_vfd wfy
[19:12:05] <cradek> that makes me happy, and I have zero modbus devices to try
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[19:12:23] <cradek> so I don't think I can do much testing except to try rebuilding the debs once they're in the repo
[19:12:28] <seb_kuzminsky> the gs2 is the only one where i had to modify c code
[19:13:05] <seb_kuzminsky> does the configure.in change look sane to you?
[19:13:35] <cradek> I was just swimming in that
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[19:15:20] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: is there a clone url for highlab?
[19:16:12] <cradek> it looks fine but I know configure about as well as I know german
[19:16:32] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: sorry, no
[19:16:40] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: bummer
[19:16:49] <seb_kuzminsky> i should really set that up
[19:17:09] <jepler> smart http is pretty slick
[19:17:09] <seb_kuzminsky> i can push it to git.linuxcnc.org, the buildbot will barf but i dont mind
[19:17:38] <cradek> you could format-patch it
[19:18:11] <jepler> I have never seen AS_IF in a configure.in
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[19:19:52] <seb_kuzminsky> http://highlab.com/~seb/linuxcnc/libmodbus-patches/
[19:20:09] <jepler> huh for some reason I thought that 'FOO = ' set FOO to an empty value, as opposed to unsetting it.
[19:21:44] <seb_kuzminsky> should i be using something else instead of AS_IF? all that configure stuff is from random googling, cutting & pasting, and experimentation
[19:21:58] <jepler> I don't know. I assume you tested it.
[19:22:14] <seb_kuzminsky> i did test it quite a bit and i'm happy with the behavior of this version
[19:22:45] <seb_kuzminsky> if you dont give configure any arguments, it requires libmodbus v3 or it errors out (with that helpful message)
[19:22:57] <seb_kuzminsky> if you say --with-libmodbus it behaves the same way ^^^^
[19:23:09] <jepler> and for libmodbus3 we always trusted that, if present, the library worked
[19:23:20] <jepler> it looks like maybe we thought libmodbus2 could be present but deficient in some way
[19:23:30] <jepler> anyway I don't spot anything that worries me, just two things to learn
[19:23:35] <seb_kuzminsky> if you say --without-libmodbus it doesnt check, and it doesnt set HAVE_LIBMODBUS3, and all the Submakefiles turn themselves off
[19:23:36] <cradek> this all looks utterly safe to me. the only thing you were likely to break is gs2_vfd and that's the thing you actually use
[19:23:57] <seb_kuzminsky> i did break it, but then i fixed it ;-)
[19:24:05] <cradek> I like that you can build without it. most people don't care one bit about any of these modbus hooks
[19:24:10] <seb_kuzminsky> the version in that branch works well
[19:24:22] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah that's a new feature that i like too
[19:24:43] <cradek> do you specify nondefault parity and baud rate for gs2_vfd?
[19:25:03] <seb_kuzminsky> on my machine, yes
[19:25:17] <cradek> cool
[19:25:56] <seb_kuzminsky> the libmodbus init function changed the order of some of the arguments between our old version and v3.0.1, that was one hickup i had
[19:28:04] <seb_kuzminsky> i used zultron 's xenomai kernel builder script to set up the pbuilder chroots, and it had trouble setting up the hardy environment, i had to tell it to tell debootstrap to include gnupg
[19:28:24] <cradek> so these'll go in dists/*/base I suppose
[19:29:01] <cradek> did you cross-compile them or do you have all these architectures and OSes?
[19:29:31] <seb_kuzminsky> base sounds right
[19:29:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i have all these VMs, but i built them all in pbuilder chroots on my precise amd64 laptop
[19:30:26] <cradek> I didn't know pbuilder can build for other CPUs
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[19:30:56] <seb_kuzminsky> in general it can't but on an amd64 host you can have an i386 chroot that produces i386 output
[19:31:08] <cradek> nice, that's the important one
[19:31:17] <seb_kuzminsky> for us, for sure, for now
[19:31:21] <seb_kuzminsky> ;-)
[19:31:28] <cradek> where do I get your packages?
[19:31:44] <seb_kuzminsky> http://highlab.com/~seb/linuxcnc/libmodbus/
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[19:32:40] <cradek> ok, let me see if I can flog wget into getting all of it
[19:34:05] <seb_kuzminsky> that dir sort of looks like a deb archive, but it's not, you'll have to sort the files into the right places in base like you said
[19:34:17] <seb_kuzminsky> sorry, i should have done that earlier
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[19:34:51] <cradek> that's ok, I can sort it out
[19:35:08] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks
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[19:45:47] <cradek> should be done, please check my work
[19:46:38] <cradek> (a useful library in 30kB!?)
[19:49:07] * seb_kuzminsky checks...
[19:50:02] <seb_kuzminsky> the deb archive looks good to me
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[19:50:31] <andypugh> I hadn't looked at mb2hal before, it looks like it could be very useful indeed.
[19:51:01] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05libmodbus3 a36009d 06linuxcnc 10debian/control.in * build-depend on libmodbus-dev (3.0 or newer)
[19:51:01] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05libmodbus3 74ec166 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10Makefile.inc.in 10configure.in 10hal/user_comps/mb2hal/Submakefile 10hal/user_comps/vfs11_vfd/Submakefile * configure: require libmodbus3
[19:51:06] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05libmodbus3 25f9f12 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/ 10user_comps/Submakefile 10user_comps/gs2_vfd.c * switch gs2_vfd to use libmodbus3
[19:51:12] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05libmodbus3 e7fd327 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/ 04user_comps/modbus.c 04user_comps/modbus.h * remove the old forked modbus code
[19:51:18] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah i think not many people have looked at mb2hal, since it can't be built on any platform that can run linuxcnc for real
[19:51:21] <seb_kuzminsky> UNTIL NOW THAT IS
[19:51:29] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks chris! :-)
[19:51:31] <andypugh> It also seems possible that the existing vfd drivers could potentially become ini-files for mb2hal?
[19:51:58] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm not sure, but possibly?
[19:52:07] * seb_kuzminsky goes for a celebratory coffee
[19:52:43] <andypugh> Living the high life, seb.
[19:53:34] <cradek> awesome, thanks seb
[19:54:40] <seb_kuzminsky> now we'll see what the buildbot thinks about it...
[19:57:14] <linuxcnc-build> build #1049 of lucid-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-i386-sim/builds/1049 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[19:57:18] <cradek> hahaha
[19:57:27] <seb_kuzminsky> that didnt take long
[19:57:32] <cradek> no, it was very fast
[19:58:37] <seb_kuzminsky> my bad
[19:58:42] <seb_kuzminsky> buildslave vm misconfiguration
[19:58:56] <cradek> aha
[19:59:03] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a lucid i386 sim vm, and it doesnt have linuxcnc.org in its apt sources
[19:59:56] <linuxcnc-build> build #1049 of lucid-rtai-i386-clang is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-rtai-i386-clang/builds/1049 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[20:00:29] <linuxcnc-build> build #1053 of hardy-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-amd64-sim/builds/1053 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[20:00:32] <linuxcnc-build> build #1050 of hardy-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-i386-realtime-rip/builds/1050 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[20:00:33] <linuxcnc-build> build #1050 of lucid-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-i386-realtime-rip/builds/1050 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[20:00:53] <seb_kuzminsky> err...
[20:00:54] <linuxcnc-build> build #1052 of hardy-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-i386-sim/builds/1052 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
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[20:02:01] <linuxcnc-build> build #1051 of lucid-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-amd64-sim/builds/1051 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[20:05:25] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: it looks like you didn't regenerate the Packages files in the deb archive
[20:05:41] <seb_kuzminsky> and i forgot to check that when you asked me to look...
[20:06:54] <cradek> at least some transferred - which one are you looking at?
[20:07:09] <cradek> not sure why it would have skipped some
[20:07:53] <seb_kuzminsky> lucid i386
[20:08:10] <seb_kuzminsky> and lucid amd64
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[20:32:34] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1050 of lucid-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-i386-sim/builds/1050 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[20:32:36] <seb_kuzminsky> this time it's my shitty buildbot script that doesnt understand versioned dependencies :-(
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[20:33:43] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1054 of hardy-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-amd64-sim/builds/1054 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[20:34:31] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1050 of lucid-rtai-i386-clang is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-rtai-i386-clang/builds/1050 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[20:35:44] <cradek> man it's always something
[20:35:44] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1051 of hardy-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-i386-realtime-rip/builds/1051 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[20:35:45] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1053 of hardy-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-i386-sim/builds/1053 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[20:35:45] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1051 of lucid-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-i386-realtime-rip/builds/1051 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[20:39:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i installed the -dev package manually and re-triggered the build
[20:39:26] <seb_kuzminsky> this build will finish, then michael's bitops branch will build, then the libmodbus branch will build again and should succeed finally
[20:39:29] <seb_kuzminsky> we'll have to wait and see
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[20:45:06] <mhaberler> is the git server wedged or just slow? chewing for minutes on a push
[20:45:37] <cradek> I got 8 emails already
[20:45:43] <mhaberler> aja
[20:45:47] <cradek> if it's a big push, just be patient
[20:45:58] <cradek> it generates emails, pokes the buildbot, etc etc
[20:46:00] <mhaberler> I think we might just as well move this to github, cheaper and faster
[20:46:20] <seb_kuzminsky> i got a bunch of emails
[20:46:52] <cradek> it's possible it could do more in the background without the pusher waiting
[20:47:06] <cradek> as it is, if there's a problem with poking the buildbot (for instance), you'll actually see that error
[20:47:08] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics a172ce4 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10(13 files in 5 dirs) * support start-change HAL signal at the very begin of a tool change.
[20:47:08] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 65e5e94 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10(7 files in 4 dirs) * toolchanger fault code support
[20:47:12] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 886546b 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc 10rs274ngc/interp_internal.hh 10rs274ngc/rs274ngc_pre.cc * use #5599 to control (DEBUG, ) output - default to on, set to 0 to disable
[20:47:17] <cradek> oh it pokes kgb too
[20:47:21] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics dd4b0f4 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10rs274ngc/rs274ngc_interp.hh 10rs274ngc/rs274ngc_pre.cc * readable interpreter status - debugging help
[20:47:28] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 9b8a8af 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10rs274ngc/interp_internal.hh 10rs274ngc/rs274ngc_pre.cc 10task/emctaskmain.cc * ini file support for remappable commands Tx, M6, and abort handler
[20:47:37] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 14400f8 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10(6 files in 3 dirs) * add interpreter abort handler, reason code to emcIoAbort()
[20:47:43] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics a1b2655 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10rs274ngc/interp_array.cc 10rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc 10rs274ngc/interp_execute.cc * optionally handle Tx, M6, IoAbort() in o-word subs
[20:47:51] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 327b7ae 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/rs274ngc/rs274ngc_pre.cc * fix broken debug message
[20:47:54] <mhaberler> jesus, this was a force push - I rebased on master
[20:47:58] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 1f07a29 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/nml_intf/emcglb.h * add ini file debug flag for iocontrol tracing
[20:48:04] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 90e0598 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10iotask/Submakefile 03iotask/ioControl_v2.cc * iocontrol-v2 component
[20:48:07] <mhaberler> there goes the evening
[20:48:11] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics d4dfcb7 06linuxcnc 10(9 files in 2 dirs) * sim config for osub-based toolchange with gladevcp panel
[20:48:18] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 1e58b7a 06linuxcnc 10configs/ 03sim/axis-iocontrolv2-demo.ini 03sim/v2-tc.ui 03sim/v2_gladevcp_postgui.hal * sample sim config for iocontrolv2 with gladevcp panel
[20:48:26] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 9888a67 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/sim_mm.tbl * choose reasonable diameters for metric tool table
[20:48:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 64b9ac8 06linuxcnc 10tests/ 10(8 files in 8 dirs) * Fix runtests: this new canon call is expected before a tool change.
[20:48:39] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 6e2ea63 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/task/emctaskmain.cc * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
[20:48:40] <cradek> what the hell
[20:48:46] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 4ff4fb0 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc 10rs274ngc/interp_execute.cc * fix line number reporting for errors in Tx, M6 oword subs
[20:48:53] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics ae00a91 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/task/emctaskmain.cc * fix handling of errors in O-word subs called from MDI
[20:49:01] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 70f2237 06linuxcnc * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
[20:49:02] <mhaberler> we're tuned to the full list of commits between v2.5_branch and master, plus a few bonus commits… sorry
[20:49:06] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 0339c4f 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
[20:49:13] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 093875d 06linuxcnc * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
[20:49:19] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 2a856fe 06linuxcnc * Merge remote branch 'origin/v2.5_branch'
[20:49:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 216c772 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10(6 files) * introduce read-only named parameter attributes for most of settings/g/m-codes
[20:49:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics ee53359 06linuxcnc 03nc_files/roparams.ngc * test file showing all new named parameters at work
[20:49:38] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 558605f 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gcode/overview.txt * document new named parameters in Gcode overview
[20:49:46] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 832240e 06linuxcnc 10nc_files/roparams.ngc * don't message too fast, since the queue can overflow
[20:49:52] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 0d1e9cf 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_namedparams.cc * interp: fix memory corruption introdcued in commit 216c77
[20:49:59] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics f9c032f 06linuxcnc 10nc_files/roparams.ngc 10src/emc/task/emctaskmain.cc * task/ui: make sure errorChannel isnt overrun
[20:50:06] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics b44be2d 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py * ui: speed up Axis error channel processing
[20:50:13] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 7867abd 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/stepconf/stepconf.py * stepconf - add checks for realtime kernel before axis tests
[20:50:20] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 7400795 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/stepconf/stepconf.py * stepconf - switch from md5 to hashlib module
[20:50:28] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 6f3211f 06linuxcnc 10VERSION * master is now the 2.6 branch
[20:50:34] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 5459144 06linuxcnc * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
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[20:50:39] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03elson 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics d8bb615 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/drivers/pico_ppmc.txt * fixup lyx conversion
[20:50:46] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics d02639d 06linuxcnc * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
[20:50:52] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics a92aa17 06linuxcnc * Merge remote branch 'origin/v2.5_branch'
[20:50:57] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics b3e5427 06linuxcnc * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
[20:51:03] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Kim 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics ad0499e 06linuxcnc 10share/axis/tcl/axis.tcl * Allow Axisui Feedrate Override to display 9999%
[20:51:10] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics f06a064 06linuxcnc 03configs/sim/osubdemo.ui * fix: add missing file configs/sim/osubdemo.ui
[20:51:17] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Kim 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 4f08abc 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/classicladder/protocol_modbus_master.c * ClassicLadder Modbus bug if more than 8 inputs read.
[20:51:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 9732534 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gcode/overview.txt 10src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
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[20:51:31] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 200c601 06linuxcnc * config: add missing file configs/sim/osubdemo.ui
[20:51:37] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03andy 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics b91a6c1 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10Makefile 10hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/hostmot2.h 03hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/mesa_other_sserial.c 10hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/sserial.c * Add raw-register access for unrecognised Smart-Serial devices
[20:51:46] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 6ded1b7 06linuxcnc * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
[20:51:52] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 5e246a3 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/axis-iocontrolv2-demo.ini 10configs/sim/owordm6-ui.ini 10src/emc/iotask/ioControl_v2.cc
[20:51:56] <KGB-linuxcnc> iocontrol-v2: explicitly enable the start-change protocol by new -support-start-change option in ini/[EMCIO]EMCIO
[20:52:05] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 08cae7f 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10(8 files)
[20:52:09] <KGB-linuxcnc> asciidoc: provide halcmd,ngc source-highlight language definitions and examples for HTML
[20:52:17] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics f3ee671 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/Submakefile
[20:52:20] <KGB-linuxcnc> asciidoc: integrate source-highlight HTML filters for hal/ngc into docs/src/Submakefile
[20:52:28] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 1925527 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10(8 files) * save-restore: implement M70,M71,M72,M73
[20:52:35] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 82d3bb3 06linuxcnc 10tests/ 10(8 files in 2 dirs) * save-restore: add regression tests for M70,M72,M73
[20:52:42] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics b659a75 06linuxcnc 10nc_files/ 10(5 files) * save-restore: add examples for usage for M70,M72,M73 in nc_files
[20:52:49] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics e846aea 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10src/gcode/main.txt 03src/gcode/saverestore.txt * save-restore: include manual fragment for M70,M71,M72,M73 in gcode/main.txt
[20:52:57] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics b47d627 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gcode/overview.txt * docs: gcode/overview.txt now concentrates all parameter-related information
[20:53:04] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03alex_joni 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics eb88e1f 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/config/ini_config.txt
[20:53:07] <KGB-linuxcnc> fix some typos and conversion errors. most of them had incorrect lyx sources as a reason
[20:53:16] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 2cde0fe 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10src/common/machining_center.txt 10src/gcode/tool_compensation.txt 10src/lathe/lathe-user.txt * docs: remove outdated text, refer to up-to-date sections
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[20:53:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 753f332 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/links.py * docs/backwards compatibility: fix links.py to run on 8.04
[20:53:25] <mhaberler> ah
[20:53:28] <cradek> does that work without +m on the channel ... no
[20:53:30] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics e4ba4ee 06linuxcnc 10docs/ 10(7 files) * docs/backwards compatibility: make source-highlight run for hal,ngc,ini on 8.04
[20:53:31] <cradek> eff
[20:53:38] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics d01fdaf 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/ 10rs274ngc/rs274ngc_pre.cc 10task/emctask.cc * task/interp: improve error reporting if ON_ABORT_COMMAND handler fails
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[20:53:48] <KGB-linuxcnc> interp/o_word: factor out duplicated code in O_return and O_endsub handling into unwind() method
[20:53:55] <mhaberler> this KGB thing has more than life
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[20:54:01] <KGB-linuxcnc> interp/o_word: fix oword sub return & endsub errors when called from MDI and no file open
[20:54:10] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 0c7d345 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/config/ini_config.txt 10docs/src/gcode/main.txt 10docs/src/gcode/overview.txt 10src/emc/rs274ngc/gcodemodule.cc * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
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[20:54:23] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 2a95338 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/task/emctask.cc * interp: fix empty operator messages
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[20:54:51] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics d0c58a2 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gcode/overview.txt * docs: mention probe in execution order
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[20:57:44] * cradek sighs
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[20:59:23] <cradek> KGB-linuxcnc: now behave yourself
[20:59:36] <KGB-linuxcnc> cradek: My master told me to not respond.
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[21:00:20] <cradek> that's quite the koan
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[21:03:05] <andypugh> Also interesting on the forum is someone using the vs2 modbus driver via USB-serial adaptor.
[21:03:13] <seb_kuzminsky> gs2?
[21:03:23] <andypugh> yah, that
[21:03:45] <cradek> that doesn't surprise me too much. it's just plain old userland serial.
[21:03:46] <seb_kuzminsky> modbus over usb/serial adapter should be totally fine
[21:05:30] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1049 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1049 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[21:05:36] <andypugh> True, but this converts "should" do "does"
[21:06:43] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm working on a machine that a friend is building, we're talking to a Delta VFD via a usb/serial adapter
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[21:07:12] <seb_kuzminsky> via modbus
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[21:10:55] <seb_kuzminsky> it's going to be a pretty neat machine
[21:11:17] <andypugh> What does it do?
[21:11:20] <seb_kuzminsky> about a 6 foot (x) by 4 foot (y) by 4 foot (z) work envelope
[21:11:40] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a commissioned machine for doing artistic wood sculpting
[21:11:55] <andypugh> Mill/router then?
[21:11:59] <seb_kuzminsky> the client wants to buy giant slabs of hardwood and whittle them into neat shapes
[21:12:03] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
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[21:12:48] <andypugh> 5-axis?
[21:13:03] <seb_kuzminsky> just 3 for now
[21:13:18] <andypugh> Sounds like a natural for a 5-axis
[21:14:34] <seb_kuzminsky> i agree, but i'm not the guy spending $100k on a machine ;-)
[21:15:35] <linuxcnc-build_> build #253 of precise-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/precise-i386-realtime-rip/builds/253 blamelist: cmorley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, k.t. chan <eddie692962@netvigator.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Norbert Schechner <NieSon@web.de>, Andy
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[21:15:59] <andypugh> OK, so who _isn't_ on that blamelist?
[21:18:58] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1051 of lucid-rtai-i386-clang is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-rtai-i386-clang/builds/1051 blamelist: cmorley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, k.t. chan <eddie692962@netvigator.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Norbert Schechner <NieSon@web.de>, Andy
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[21:19:19] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1052 of lucid-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-i386-realtime-rip/builds/1052 blamelist: cmorley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, k.t. chan <eddie692962@netvigator.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Norbert Schechner <NieSon@web.de>, Andy
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[21:19:40] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1052 of hardy-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-i386-realtime-rip/builds/1052 blamelist: cmorley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, k.t. chan <eddie692962@netvigator.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Norbert Schechner <NieSon@web.de>, Andy
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[21:27:31] <mhaberler> jepler: re clang and __atomic ops:
[21:27:35] <mhaberler> we are a tad early:
[21:27:36] <mhaberler> 00358 // Define macros for the C11 / C++11 memory orderings
[21:27:37] <mhaberler> 00359 Builder.defineMacro("__ATOMIC_RELAXED", "0");
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[21:29:50] <seb_kuzminsky> mhaberler: was your email to the list just now meant to be funny? it came across to me as rude and pushy
[21:30:10] <mhaberler> rude?
[21:30:35] <seb_kuzminsky> impolite
[21:31:15] <seb_kuzminsky> did you mean it as a joke? i'm asking honestly, i really couldnt tell
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[21:33:10] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03git 05rtapi-bitops-gcc-intrinsics 03d0422 06linuxcnc 10src/rtapi/rtapi_bitops.h * rtapi_bitops.h: certain macros will become available with C11 only
[21:33:32] <mhaberler> semi. The floggings thing of course is a joke, what other interpretation is possible.
[21:34:18] <seb_kuzminsky> well, i didn't think you'd really start flogging all the non-committers ;-)
[21:34:20] <mhaberler> other than that, I think we can expect contributions from a wider audience, including less fancy jobs, and thats what I want them to consider
[21:34:32] <seb_kuzminsky> i see
[21:34:44] <mhaberler> no, the ones who could contribute _something_ and dont
[21:34:48] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm not sure that kind of email is the best way to accomplish that
[21:35:48] <mhaberler> if it accomplishes the effect that someone could contribute something in turn, thats sufficient - love is optional
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[21:36:40] <mhaberler> fact is: the ratio of random opining to actual contributions from folks which actually could contribute something is outright ridiculous
[21:37:19] <andypugh> Maybe less so on the developers list?
[21:37:31] <mhaberler> valid point.
[21:37:37] <mhaberler> wrong list..
[21:37:52] <seb_kuzminsky> please dont send an email like that to the emc-users list...
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[21:38:14] <seb_kuzminsky> i think it would alienate more people than it would spur to contribute
[21:40:29] <mhaberler> you see the problem though, and part of it is homemade by devs - you dont tell them to do somthing, well there it is: you get thanks, thats it
[21:40:45] <mhaberler> how that can be done is subject to discussion
[21:40:49] <mhaberler> the point does exist
[21:41:07] <andypugh> We get software too, that does what _we_ want.
[21:41:13] <mhaberler> replace 'tell' by appropriate method
[21:41:24] <andypugh> All they get is software that does what _we_ want.
[21:42:05] <seb_kuzminsky> i have no interest at all in telling other people what to do
[21:42:07] <mhaberler> well that doesnt suggest that there is a complete split into devs and non-devs and nothing coming forward from cat 2
[21:42:40] <mhaberler> we know that, except if its me who is to fix bugs instead ;)
[21:42:52] <seb_kuzminsky> well yeah ;-)
[21:43:32] <andypugh> I can see some argument for a "laundry list" of thinks that people who would like to contribute could start with. In fact I think that there are a couple of horribly outdated Wiki pages that set out to do exactly that.
[21:43:46] <seb_kuzminsky> mhaberler: have you rebases for review yet? have you? have you?
[21:43:50] <seb_kuzminsky> ;-)
[21:43:58] <mhaberler> I said all I had to say
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[21:44:18] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: there's something like that for the linux kernel, i think they call it the janitor's list
[21:44:39] <mhaberler> well it isnt even limited to janitorial stuff
[21:44:49] <seb_kuzminsky> we *do* have a bug tracker, maybe there's some way to mark tasks as "suitable for beginners"?
[21:44:52] <andypugh> Does it include "make the bitops symmetrical"?
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[21:45:47] <mhaberler> the problem isnt the tools, its the split of the community - I have the impression most dont even hit upon the idea they could give something back
[21:46:05] <andypugh> Ah, yes, the bug tracker. That lets people allocate bugs to developers, but with no hints who knows which bits of the system, nor even who has been sighted online this decade?
[21:46:06] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1050 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1050 blamelist: cmorley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, k.t. chan <eddie692962@netvigator.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Norbert Schechner <NieSon@web.de>, Andy <andy@bodgesoc.org>, Les Newell
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[21:47:51] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: that part is silly
[21:48:12] <seb_kuzminsky> i like having a non-email place to record problems and feature requests, i like that part of the bug tracker
[21:49:03] <andypugh> Yes, I can see that it could work, but I am not sure who actually reads the bug reports.
[21:49:12] <seb_kuzminsky> well, i do
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[21:49:37] <seb_kuzminsky> and i sometimes encourage bug reporters on irc and on the mailing list to record them there instead of bugging me with them ;-)
[21:49:38] <andypugh> I tried closing a bug report once, but I couldn't even comment on it.
[21:49:51] <mhaberler> the tracker has a different function from what I am talking about - it is a history device, not a motivational vehicle
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[21:49:53] <seb_kuzminsky> source forge is pretty awkward to use
[21:50:12] <seb_kuzminsky> i think we disagree on where motivation comes from
[21:50:18] <andypugh> I just don't have the right access, it seems.
[21:50:53] <seb_kuzminsky> you have to be logged in in the right way? or maybe there's more permissions that need to be delegated to you somehow?
[21:50:56] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm not sure
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[21:56:32] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: according to this, it's unknown who administers the bug tracker: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RolesAndResponsibilities
[21:57:22] <andypugh> We have rather more forum admins than that too.
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[21:58:02] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1053 of hardy-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-i386-realtime-rip/builds/1053 blamelist: Michael Haberler <git@mah.priv.at>
[21:59:33] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1053 of lucid-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-i386-realtime-rip/builds/1053 blamelist: Michael Haberler <git@mah.priv.at>
[22:00:31] <andypugh> OK, now I am confused, because the user manager lists the administrators as fenn, tissf, skunkworks, micges and myself.
[22:00:39] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: sourceforge has two ways to log in, OpenID or SF account credentials
[22:00:53] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1052 of lucid-rtai-i386-clang is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-rtai-i386-clang/builds/1052 blamelist: Michael Haberler <git@mah.priv.at>
[22:00:56] <seb_kuzminsky> i've noticed that if i log in the easy way, with OpenID, i have limited access to my SF account details
[22:01:07] <seb_kuzminsky> if i log in with my SF account credentials it works much better
[22:02:29] <skunkworks> wait - what am I a manager of?
[22:02:51] <skunkworks> oh - I do have admin rights on the website..
[22:03:58] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: feel free to add yourself to that table if i missed you somewhere
[22:04:14] <skunkworks> what table?
[22:04:24] <skunkworks> logger[psha]:
[22:04:35] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, i thought you were talking about this: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RolesAndResponsibilities
[22:04:41] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe i misuderstood you
[22:05:36] <seb_kuzminsky> oh i see, you were responding to andypugh
[22:05:38] <seb_kuzminsky> never mind me
[22:06:01] * skunkworks is so confused...
[22:06:03] <skunkworks> ;)
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[22:06:29] <seb_kuzminsky> micges runs away...
[22:07:03] <skunkworks> ah - yes. I am a joomla admin although I use it very sparingly...
[22:07:23] <skunkworks> (mainly because I cannot spell) ;)
[22:08:13] <zultron> Coming in a little late here. The SF bug tracker, does it have a built-in way to associate comments, attachments, whatever with git commits? Or would it, were there a mirror of the LinuxCNC git repo on SF?
[22:09:00] <seb_kuzminsky> hey zultron
[22:09:14] <seb_kuzminsky> i think the answer to the first question is "no", and i dont know what the second answer is
[22:09:19] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl!
[22:09:57] <zultron> I've been wishing for a bug tracker for my own development work. Of course I can't commit to the L*CNC git repo anyway, so that wasn't a very useful question anyway.
[22:14:16] <zultron> Ooh, github has an issue tracking feature you can turn on per repo! Problem solved.
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[22:18:19] <andypugh> zultron: Why can't you contribute to the LinuxCNC repository? It isn't a very exclusive club, they let me join.
[22:18:56] <mhaberler> the exclusivity is part of the problem I referred to
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[22:25:34] <linuxcnc-build_> build #1051 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1051 blamelist: Michael Haberler <git@mah.priv.at>
[22:26:25] <zultron> Well, I suppose I made an assumption there. I've never heard anything about who controls access or how to request that access.
[22:28:36] <zultron> I've got stacks of patches that ought to be included in mainline, but sending them in on the mailing list is too painful, so they're only available from Michael's git repo and my own dev branch.
[22:29:18] <zultron> Admittedly I should be more aggressive about it.
[22:30:19] <zultron> And also more diligent about actually applying them to mainline rather than only in my branches so they even have a chance of being accepted!
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[23:06:47] <andypugh> zultron: I think it is Cradek who sets up git access.
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[23:25:11] <linuxcnc-build_> build #854 of deb-lucid-sim-binary-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/deb-lucid-sim-binary-i386/builds/854 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
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