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[02:06:17] <KimK> seb_kuzminsky: Still around? I'm putting together one of those Gigabyte GA-E350N systems to try out. When I get it going, is there any build or anything I could run on it that would be of value to you? I'm going to get something to eat, I'll check back in a bit.
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[04:32:59] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master 0217540 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/gscreen.py * gscreen -fix keybinding blocking MDI and editing
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[07:44:05] <seb_kuzminsky> KimK: i have nothing :-/
[07:45:05] <seb_kuzminsky> there's this, but it had a runaway when i ran it on my computer, so don't run it with any real motors attached:
http://slurp.local/~seb/linuxcnc/rtai-for-3.5-prerelease/
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[14:17:31] <seb_kuzminsky> KimK: err, maybe i shouldnt try to talk at 1 in the morning, that url needs slurp.local replaced with highlab.com
[14:18:15] <cradek> do you have one of those firewalls where you can't use external names from inside? jepler has fought with that.
[14:19:18] <cradek> I think I remember having it a very long time ago, too
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[14:21:30] <jepler> the most cheaty way to handle that is to serve different DNS to your internal network so that highlab.com resolves to the internal address; bind has support for "views" which facilitates this
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[14:23:32] <cradek> oh is this a case of several machines on internal addresses behind nat, with port tunneling to their services?
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[14:25:47] <jepler> mhaberler: a question/remark about rtapi_pci_*
[14:25:59] <mhaberler> yes?
[14:26:04] <jepler> mhaberler: I see that the drivers use a #if at each use site to decide whether to use rtapi_pci or kernel pci APIs
[14:26:16] <skunkworks> I think ddrwt allows for that - using DNSMasq
[14:26:26] <jepler> mhaberler: is there a reason to not implement rtapi_pci_* in kernel space too?
[14:26:38] <jepler> mhaberler: the benefit being to get rid of preprocessor conditionals in the individual drivers
[14:27:02] <mhaberler> good question.. I think we should ask Charles what he thinks, it's his code
[14:27:23] <mhaberler> you mean entirely abstract out PCI ?
[14:27:28] <jepler> yes
[14:27:44] <jepler> is charles on irc? what name does he go by?
[14:28:10] <mhaberler> not on irc; Charles@steinkuehler.net
[14:28:14] <jepler> ah ok
[14:28:56] <mhaberler> yes, he hangs out on the dev list
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[14:29:32] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: yeah, my router doesn't respond to it's external ip on its internal interface
[14:29:50] <jepler> mhaberler: let me see if I can get something put together which compiles, then I'll resort to e-mail
[14:30:02] <seb_kuzminsky> i could set up an internal dns server to handle highlab.com but i haven't
[14:30:05] <mhaberler> well if it removes condtional code and abstracts out a manifest interface, that makes sense to me; he doesnt feel all that comfortable with C (rather VHDL ;)
[14:30:11] <mhaberler> but I can clean up if needed
[14:30:41] <mhaberler> that'd be very nice; the idea didnt occur to me but it's all sensible
[14:31:26] <mhaberler> there's free room in rtapi.h since we threw out irqs, fifos and messages ;)
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[14:38:35] <jepler> hah
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[14:52:47] <jepler> rtapi_pci_writeb et al look weird, as they ignore their offset parameter
[14:52:49] <jepler> I see they're not used
[15:00:14] <jepler> seems like we should be able to drop backported-strings.h, even hardy was new enough to not need it
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[17:32:10] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: you're working on the rtos branch? how's it looking?
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[18:15:55] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I'm looking specifically at the userspace pci stuff
[18:16:00] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I haven't run anything on hardware...
[18:19:52] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: but specifically I noticed that a lot more #ifdefs were needed in drivers and I'd like to make the changes look less like the top example and more like the bottom example here:
http://pastebin.com/n3F1d12J
[18:20:12] <jepler> by implementing (possibly by #define) the new rtapi_ APIs in kernelspace
[18:21:07] <jepler> .. so far it looks like they're just kernel APIs with rtapi_ prefixed, which is perfectly sensible
[18:23:15] <jepler> then in the rewritten history of rtos integration, the steps of implement kernel version of rtapi_-prefixed API and convert existing drives to rtapi_-prefixed API can come before the introduction of the new rtoses
[18:23:50] <jepler> .. making it look like the rtos integration doesn't require driver changes (or needs to make only minor changes)
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[18:51:52] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: that sounds pretty promising!
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[20:32:18] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: is the oldest kernel still on the buildbot 2.6.24 for hardy?
[20:32:58] <jepler> .. if so, any reason to preserve pre-2.6.24 compatibility in master branch>
[20:33:59] <jepler> "Linux kernel version 2.6.24 Released 24 January 2008", so I'm not talking about breaking compatibility with any kernel newer than 5 years old
[20:34:37] <jepler> .. this would simplify rtapi_string.h and I think allow outright removal of hostmot2/backported-strings.c.
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[20:43:32] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: another question for you when you return ...
[20:43:38] <jepler> in hm2_pci_{read,write} there's a note
[20:43:38] <jepler> + /* Per Peter Wallace, all hostmot2 access should be 32 bits and 32-bit aligned */
[20:43:41] <jepler> + /* Check for any address or size values that violate this alignment */
[20:44:17] <jepler> and both functions are somewhat complicated by the urge to both ensure that copies are done by u32 but apparently to cater to some 16-bit reads by hm2_read_idrom
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[20:45:09] <jepler> ... do you think this is necessary? are we depending on fancy kernel memcpy() doing 32-bit reads and writes behind our backs?
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[21:19:36] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: yes, the oldest kernel in the bbot is hardy's 2.6.24
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[21:19:55] <seb_kuzminsky> and yes, i'm happy to drop support for older kernels
[21:20:13] <seb_kuzminsky> imo, if we're not testing it all the time, it's not supported
[21:20:52] <seb_kuzminsky> perhaps somewhat egotistically, i consider the buildbot platforms == the supported platforms
[21:21:57] <jepler> nah I've never known you to have an ego
[21:24:03] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont see that note about alignment and size
[21:24:07] <seb_kuzminsky> which branch are you on?
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[21:24:22] <jepler> it's in the rtos branch
[21:24:27] <seb_kuzminsky> ah, hm
[21:24:37] <jepler> presumably this means that it presented a problem during testing but ...
[21:25:14] <jepler> if so, why not during everyone's use of it now
[21:25:15] <seb_kuzminsky> charles steinkuehler added that
[21:25:19] <jepler> yes
[21:25:26] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont know anything about it, sorry
[21:25:31] <jepler> I sure can see why it would be bad to write certain registers a byte at a time, if that's what memcpy() does
[21:25:35] <jepler> and it sure could...
[21:25:57] <seb_kuzminsky> over epp, byte-at-a-time is all you can do
[21:26:14] <seb_kuzminsky> but maybe the 7i43 cpld coalesces and does 32-bit writes for you
[21:26:16] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont know
[21:26:35] <jepler> I'm thinking about if PCI creates a read-modify-write cycle for you to do that
[21:26:54] <jepler> this is hm2_pci after all
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