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[00:00:07] <mhaberler> well it seems to me on the rtpreempt bb machine the rtpreempt kernel isnt one:
[00:00:10] <mhaberler> your kernel '3.2.0-39-generic-pae' is not known.
[00:00:23] <mhaberler> that's not _my_ kernel ;)
[00:00:44] <mhaberler> looks like the vm boots the wrong kernel
[00:01:41] <andypugh> mhaberler: That looks like the "I have more than 3GB, let me swap kernels for you" installer thing?
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[00:02:04] <mhaberler> might well be
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[00:35:01] <mhaberler> cradek: both rtos branches now build on runtest on hardy too, i386 and amd64 and packages are built for sim and rtai, but I'd still suggest that hardy taken off the 'recommended and reasonably supported' list (the amd64 build already sports a handpatched RTAI header as workaround)
[00:36:16] <mhaberler> which brings us this new subtree:
http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb?p=emc2-dev.git;a=tree;f=src/workaround;h=253ef01e59e3e137b32531f0d23703035354c462;hb=00b0ffa27969e6be6b8b91e56627d882ac35e881
[00:38:00] <mhaberler> including configure support for breakage detection etc - it should be relegated to the warts collection
[00:38:08] <mhaberler> any, cu
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[02:16:50] <seb_kuzminsky> mhaberler: right you are! fixed it...
[02:18:02] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=rtos-integration-preview3-merged-into-master checkin
[02:18:03] <linuxcnc-build> build forced [ETA 1h26m15s]
[02:18:03] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[03:55:54] <linuxcnc-build> build #915 of hardy-amd64-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-amd64-realtime-rip/builds/915
[03:55:54] <linuxcnc-build> build #913 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/913
[03:58:56] <zultron> L84Supper, poking through the backlog I saw you're planning some work on pycam. What are you doing?
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[04:22:45] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=master checkin
[04:22:46] <linuxcnc-build> build #914 forced
[04:22:47] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[04:24:19] <seb_kuzminsky> i added the xenomai-amd64 and rtpreempt-amd64 buildslaves
[04:25:32] <zultron> Awesome!
[04:25:56] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a busy buildbot now :-)
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[04:51:24] <mhaberler> Seb - thanks, that's some excellent progress!
[04:52:09] <mhaberler> they want to shake hands and take arm, money pocket and all.. here's what I'm asking:
[04:53:51] <mhaberler> could you install _all_ kbuild-flavor type kernels on the bb vm's (at least one)? that is, image, headers, modules for rtai and xenomai?
[04:54:39] <mhaberler> what this will give us is the ability to build for all flavors on a single vm for the unified binary, even if it runtests only for the running kernel
[04:55:24] <mhaberler> and that one is around the corner (what dynload-rtapi will be once the build kinks are worked out)
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[05:23:26] <seb_kuzminsky> sure, could do
[05:23:54] <seb_kuzminsky> let's talk about this unified binary some time, i dont understand how that's going to work
[05:24:09] <seb_kuzminsky> but not tonight, hacker needs sleep badly
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[05:40:56] <mhaberler> sure
[05:41:16] <mhaberler> it actually does ;)
[05:43:02] <mhaberler> what I'll do is post a short overview to the devlist so folks know how the plumbing works
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[06:08:56] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build checkin #914 is complete: Success [3build successful]
[06:08:56] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/914
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[07:27:51] <mhaberler> gotta try this
[07:28:18] <mhaberler> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=rtos-integration-preview3 checkin
[07:28:20] <linuxcnc-build> build forced [ETA 1h46m09s]
[07:28:20] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[07:29:22] <mhaberler> linuxcnc-build: help
[07:29:23] <linuxcnc-build> Get help on what? (try 'help <foo>', or 'commands' for a command list)
[07:29:39] <mhaberler> linuxcnc-build: help commands
[07:29:43] <linuxcnc-build> Usage: commands - List available commands
[07:29:55] <mhaberler> linuxcnc-build: commands
[07:29:56] <linuxcnc-build> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, force, hello, help, last, list, mute, notify, source, status, stop, unmute, version, watch
[07:30:38] <mhaberler> wtf is 'dance' ...
[07:32:12] <linuxcnc-build> build #1 of precise-amd64-rtpreempt-rip is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/precise-amd64-rtpreempt-rip/builds/1
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[08:11:03] <linuxcnc-build> build #1 of precise-amd64-xenomai-rip is complete: Failure [4failed compile_1] Build details are at
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[08:54:35] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master d4207ad 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/gscreen.py * gscreen -add abort and feed-hold HAL pins
[08:54:36] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master ffa809f 06linuxcnc 10(5 files in 2 dirs) * gscreen -rename buttons for function rather then position
[08:54:39] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master 284f5df 06linuxcnc 10(5 files in 3 dirs) * gscreen -change gscreen HAL pin names
[08:54:45] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master 5b15ddf 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/gscreen.py * gscreen -make keybindings overrideable in the handler file
[08:54:53] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master fd98fb5 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/gscreen_custom/industrial.glade 10configs/sim/gscreen_custom/industrial_handler.py 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/gscreen.py * gscreen -add embedded Onboard keyboard to industrial screen
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[11:02:28] <L84Supper> zultron: PyCAM doesn't have support for 4-5 axis and there no CAM yet for multi-axis 3D printers
[11:03:38] <L84Supper> zultron: we were considering using the current state of PyCAM as a starting point for additive manufacturing CAM, since there isn't even a commercial package that does so yet
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[13:17:40] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch 87a9b86 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10Makefile 10Makefile.modinc.in * build: revisit x86_64 build flags yet again
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[13:48:12] <jepler> (I hope it's right this time!)
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[13:54:45] <mhaberler> jeesh, this is major archeaological work!
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[14:31:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05v2.5_branch e816016 06linuxcnc 10src/Makefile * Revert "fix building without 5axiskins"
[14:31:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05v2.5_branch 1226630 06linuxcnc 03src/emc/kinematics/5axiskins.c * Revert "Remove bogus sample kins file"
[14:31:28] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05v2.5_branch 6de7f0d 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/kinematics/5axiskins.c * The tool-length hal pin was vestigial and confusing.
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[14:31:53] <skunkworks> heh - vestigial
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[14:44:19] <skunkworks> Hmm - couldn't you technically use stepgen in velocity mode for rigid tapping - using position for motion? oh - no index.
[14:46:07] <skunkworks> I was just thinking - people using step servos for spindle could then rigid tap without an encodeer.
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[14:46:28] <skunkworks> and without makeing the spindle an 'axis'
[14:47:10] <cradek> if you know the spindle position in hal you could fake up an encoder-type signal
[14:48:14] <cradek> hm sim_encoder isn't what you want, though
[14:48:24] <cradek> left as an exercise for the reader
[14:48:28] <skunkworks> heh
[14:49:41] <skunkworks> seems doable. then you could use the regular G33.1 command instead of using z,a motion
[14:50:01] <cradek> yeah I guess so
[14:50:23] <cradek> that seems like a weird kind of spindle, though. is it really a useful configuration?
[14:51:01] <skunkworks> there are quite a few small cnc builders that are using servos for spindles..
[14:51:15] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/linuxcnc_formerly_emc2/177503-servo_spindle.html
[14:51:44] <skunkworks> I think it makes a cheap interface to step/direction software...
[14:52:13] <cradek> > I cannot connect to the database.
[14:52:40] <skunkworks> huh - it just went down..
[14:54:00] <skunkworks> http://novakon.net/bedmills/torus-pro/
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[15:06:05] <cradek> way more XY travel than my bridgeport had
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[15:14:44] <jepler> I'm not sure linuxcnc can handle the kinematics for a toroidal working volume
[15:15:16] <skunkworks> HEH
[15:15:20] <skunkworks> heh
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[15:21:17] <jepler> I'd like to propose a new unit: the 'wat' is henceforth defined as 1/7315200in. Every multiple of .01inch, 1/256 inch, .01mm, .01pspoint, .01 "96dpi pixel", 1 "1200dpi pixel" are exact integers in this system, so we can do away with fractional distance units for anything visible to the human eye.
[15:22:15] <JT-Shop> lol
[15:23:21] <jepler> now it might be slightly inconvenient to have to remember that your height is about 525 megawats rather than 6'
[15:24:22] <JT-Shop> so that makes me 503.12499 megawats tall
[15:24:35] <jepler> sounds plausible
[15:25:02] <jepler> and the empire state building is about 127 gigawats tall.
[15:36:21] <cradek> how about 12ga copper wire and #7 drill bit?
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[15:37:30] <jepler> I prefer to think of those things as not existing.
[15:38:24] <jepler> Saying that 12ga copper wire is 591megawats in diameter is a .02% error
[15:38:31] <jepler> er, kilowats, sorry
[15:39:39] <cradek> what SI letter do you recommend? W is taken by Watt, so surely w for wat would be the least confusing choice possible
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[15:40:37] <jepler> what makes you think the least-confusing choice is the best one?
[15:41:09] <cradek> I'm confused as to why you would ask that
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[15:43:55] <skunkworks> wat isn't pernounced the way you think.. it sounds like xylophone
[15:44:39] <jepler> skunkworks: I can see we're at the same wavelength on this
[15:45:04] <skunkworks> I just try to keep up...
[15:46:49] <jepler> (incidentally, the wavelengths of visible light are about 112 to 201 wats..)
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[16:16:25] <linuxcnc-build> build #920 of lucid-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
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[16:16:25] <linuxcnc-build> build #918 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
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[16:18:23] <cradek> wat
[16:19:08] <seb_kuzminsky> sigh, i guess i'm not done debugging mdi queueing yet :-(
[16:20:19] <seb_kuzminsky> force a rebuild, it'll probably work :-(
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[18:17:04] <dgarr> a patch for master to update sim config hal file for names= (to be consistent with recent patch for 2.5):
[18:17:06] <dgarr> http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/0001-sim-hal-files-names-consistency-with-v2.5.patch
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[18:25:40] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03dgarrett 05master 6acc43d 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/ 10(5 files in 2 dirs) * sim hal files names= consistency with v2.5
[18:26:19] <cradek> thanks dewey
[18:26:52] <dgarr> welcome
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[19:14:13] <linuxcnc-build> build #921 of lucid-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-amd64-sim/builds/921 blamelist: Dewey Garrett <dgarrett@panix.com>
[19:16:37] <cradek> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=v2.5_branch checkin
[19:16:43] <linuxcnc-build> The build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts
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[19:28:54] <linuxcnc-build> build #919 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/919 blamelist: Dewey Garrett <dgarrett@panix.com>
[19:28:54] <linuxcnc-build> build forced [ETA 1h28m13s]
[19:28:54] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[19:29:59] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, seems like something's wrong with that buildslave
[19:33:32] <seb_kuzminsky> lots of USRMOT timeouts
[19:33:51] <seb_kuzminsky> it may be that the machine that runs all the buildslave VMs has finally reached its limit
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[19:36:03] <seb_kuzminsky> anyone *not* want me to turn off hardy-rtai-amd64? everyone ok to drop it?
[19:36:44] <pcw_home> I cannot imagine anyone wanting that
[19:37:25] <cradek> drop drop drop
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[19:37:59] <pcw_home> If high performance and 64 bits was an issue you would not be using old hardware
[19:41:31] <seb_kuzminsky> ok
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[19:48:13] <jepler> I wish we had a newer rtai + 64 bit system
[19:48:36] <jepler> but we know from running sim on 64 bit machines that if there are problems they're more likely to be in rtai than in us, so on the other hand who cares
[19:50:12] <seb_kuzminsky> paolo just announced that he's working on 64-bit for rtai 3.9
[19:51:11] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm scared of rtai 3.9 since i ran it on my bridgeport and it ran away and crashed the machine :-(
[19:52:45] <jepler> that's one reason I tend to favor trailing edge software
[19:52:52] <seb_kuzminsky> smart
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[20:01:43] <mhaberler> drop it, please. Halleluja!
[20:07:27] <mhaberler> re trailing edge software: I do concur - I simply do not share the 'latest and greatest' fad either. And rushing Paolo's 'working on' & 'intends to work on' bits into production prematurely is counterproductive as far as perceived stability of users go. There is nothing to be said against experimenting with it, but I advise against bringing this into production packages or a live CD without having given it at least half a year work
[20:07:28] <mhaberler> - and that better not be our users
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[20:11:18] <linuxcnc-build> build #922 of lucid-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-amd64-sim/builds/922
[20:15:53] <seb_kuzminsky> rebooting the lucid-amd64 buildslave, see if that helps (i'll do the real reshuffling tonight or in the next few days)
[20:25:03] <linuxcnc-build> build #920 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/920
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[20:37:25] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: just curious, I assume your webserver logs show nobody was downloading the hardy-amd64-rtai packages
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[20:57:24] <seb_kuzminsky> the hardy-rtai-amd64 packages have been downloaded a few times in the past 12 months, but never by apt, always by actual web browsers (and robots, before i blocked them)
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[20:57:35] <seb_kuzminsky> i don't know what to make of that
[20:57:41] <seb_kuzminsky> i think it means we can drop it
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[21:08:00] <seb_kuzminsky> mhaberler: are you planning to clean up rtos-integration-preview3-merged-into-master? it's got 400+ commits with messages like "wip" and "touching" and "this needs cleaning"
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[21:08:08] <seb_kuzminsky> it's hard to review and get a feel for what you changed
[21:08:59] <mhaberler> I wouldnt think we are just quite there at the reviewing stage - I am very happy if we can push these branches through the bb
[21:09:34] <seb_kuzminsky> do you mean you want to do more work before cleanup & review?
[21:09:49] <mhaberler> no
[21:10:19] <mhaberler> that is feature complete, the history needs cleaning
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[21:10:59] <seb_kuzminsky> do you mean the branch is feature complete, and now the history needs cleanup, then it'll be ready to review?
[21:11:18] <mhaberler> yes
[21:11:26] <seb_kuzminsky> ah ok, sounds good
[21:11:51] <mhaberler> lots of dead ends which I backed out, absolutely no point in keeping those
[21:12:14] <seb_kuzminsky> are you planning to rebase rtos-integration-preview3-merged-into-master on top of master, squashing all the dead ends out of existence, cleaning up the other commits & commit messages?
[21:12:19] <seb_kuzminsky> if so, that sounds great!
[21:14:03] <mhaberler> again: I do not think 'lets all head this into master' is a terribly good idea, and I have outlined why - I mean this has now been cooking for month #4 and there isnt a sudden urge to rush this with sideeffects which might not be fully understood
[21:14:40] <mhaberler> I have also pointed out an alternative strategy
[21:15:11] <mhaberler> the milestone IMO is not 'merged into master', it is 'have installable packages'
[21:15:39] <seb_kuzminsky> installable packages will be very nice, agreed, but i think there are useful milestones between here and there
[21:15:56] <seb_kuzminsky> the sooner this goes into a mainline branch, the sooner we'll start getting testing on it
[21:16:16] <seb_kuzminsky> think "lots of little milestones", not "one big milestone"
[21:17:48] <mhaberler> on the danger of repeating myself - I have not heard _any_ response on my alternate proposal, and on the downside of merging into master - I do want to have this discussed a bit, and probably a bit wider audience then here
[21:18:35] <mhaberler> things will necessarily be confusing for a while
[21:18:59] <mhaberler> but this has to do with the delay in producing rtos3 packages, meanwhile we've done the next step
[21:20:01] <mhaberler> it will eventually taper off once we get rid of this package build plethora nonsense
[21:20:21] <mhaberler> I dont like it either
[21:20:53] <seb_kuzminsky> your alternate proposal is to merge it into 2.5? or something else?
[21:21:04] <mhaberler> but given the current situation I resist a unreflected merge into master of what just happens to fall out of the bb
[21:21:14] <mhaberler> I suggest the following:
[21:21:22] <seb_kuzminsky> nobody is advocating merging the current branch into master
[21:21:33] <mhaberler> oj ok
[21:21:34] <seb_kuzminsky> we need to review this carefully before it goes into any of the mainline branches
[21:21:43] <seb_kuzminsky> that's what i'm asking you about
[21:22:01] <seb_kuzminsky> s/nobody/not me/
[21:22:14] <mhaberler> fair enough
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