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[00:08:19] <seb_kuzm1nsky> it's different and it changes how you get stuff done, but it's usable
[00:08:45] <seb_kuzm1nsky> the biggest downside i've found is that point-to-focus is kind of broken, as far as i can tell
[00:09:06] <seb_kuzm1nsky> bbl!
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[00:14:58] <JT-Shop> thanks seb
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[04:43:34] <seb_kuzm1nsky> skunkworks: thanks for the ctrl-alt-t tip, i didnt know that!
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[12:26:40] <skunkworks> seb_kuzm1nsky,
http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=248564
[13:07:34] <cradek> hey that looks promising (unlike seb's result unfortunately)
[13:12:11] <skunkworks> right - hmm - I sent a message to the lest at about 6:30 and is still has not showed up
[13:27:50] <cradek> the MLs have been less than perfect lately
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[13:36:47] <skunkworks> yeck
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[14:12:40] <cradek> we've noticed trouble before, and it's always gone back to normal. sometimes a hardware problem or spam attack or the like can take a few days to clear out and get everything unconstipated again
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[14:56:27] <seb_kuzm1nsky> skunkworks: was that real hardware or a VM? the latency numbers make it look like real hardware
[14:56:57] <seb_kuzm1nsky> i got a not-so-warm-and-fuzzy feeling from paolo's debugging suggestion
[14:57:38] <seb_kuzm1nsky> http://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2013-March/025376.html
[14:57:47] <seb_kuzm1nsky> but i'll try it...
[14:59:47] <skunkworks> seb_kuzm1nsky, real hardware
[15:02:33] <seb_kuzm1nsky> sweet!
[15:05:11] <skunkworks> heh - you saw my email - but it didn't show up on the list for me ;)
[15:18:04] <skunkworks> seb_kuzm1nsky, this morning it booted the amd system - running latency test
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[15:28:01] <cradek> from reading the rtai list he seems really responsive to your testing and help
[15:30:06] <cradek> it's nice that seb's crash on real hardware is the same as andy's in emulation
[15:30:36] <seb_kuzm1nsky> yeah!
[15:30:55] <seb_kuzm1nsky> i need to jump on it while paolo has time to work on it
[15:31:04] <seb_kuzm1nsky> i'll try his suggestion tonight or this weekend
[15:32:37] <cradek> I can make weekend time too, but I doubt I'd be much use
[15:40:01] <seb_kuzm1nsky> results from another machine booting this kernel would be useful, but i think we're in this request/reply mode with rtai.org now, so it doesn't all have to happen at the same time
[15:40:08] <seb_kuzm1nsky> bbl, work :-/
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[19:54:42] <skunkworks> WARNING. Mail Delayed: Re: [Emc-developers] experimental RTAI realtime kernel for Ubuntu Precise
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[19:58:05] <skunkworks> reports:
[19:58:05] <skunkworks> mx.sourceforge.net: incorrect SMTP prompt at the host
[19:58:12] <seb_kuzm1nsky> sf ftw
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[20:13:45] <skunkworks> seb_kuzm1nsky, wow - idle=poll really helps rtai..
http://imagebin.org/248609
[20:14:18] <seb_kuzm1nsky> wow!
[20:14:24] <seb_kuzm1nsky> that's incredible latency!
[20:14:27] <skunkworks> eys
[20:14:28] <skunkworks> yes
[20:14:33] <seb_kuzm1nsky> sey
[20:14:39] <cradek> wow
[20:14:48] <seb_kuzm1nsky> do you know what that machine gets on lucid?
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[20:16:06] <skunkworks> well - without idle=poll it gets around 30k which is what I remember 10.04 getting
[20:16:13] <micges> skunkworks: this is kernel param like isolcpus ?
[20:16:18] <skunkworks> yes
[20:16:52] <skunkworks> it is the only param that seemed to make xomai
[20:16:53] <micges> I must try it
[20:16:55] <skunkworks> work
[20:17:47] <skunkworks> Xenomai
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[20:20:14] <cradek> cc: hiredis.o: No such file or directory
[20:20:14] <cradek> make[1]: *** [libhiredis.so] Error 1
[20:20:33] <cradek> mhaberler: master still or again doesn't build with make -jN
[20:29:35] <mhaberler> well, would you mind helping fix that one, too, just like you did with the ferror patch?
[20:30:42] <seb_kuzm1nsky> mhaberler: why do we even have a copy of redis in our repo, again? are you using it for anything currently?
[20:31:09] <mhaberler> not yet - as for why, please read back on the list
[20:32:00] <seb_kuzm1nsky> it'd be better to handle it the way asciidoc was handled - with a backport deb next to linuxcnc, rather than a fork inside
[20:33:32] <mhaberler> well that is likely the way to go - I just dont know how to do this
[20:34:05] <mhaberler> as for 'not yet' - I decided the new RT OS support to be more urgent
[20:34:29] <seb_kuzm1nsky> is the only reason you forked it because it's not available in hardy? or is there some other reason too?
[20:35:06] <mhaberler> I need to read back as to what the exact cause was - it was package rot in lucid I think, or even none available
[20:35:21] <mhaberler> yes, that was the only reason - no changes
[20:35:55] <mhaberler> could have been hardy
[20:36:50] <seb_kuzm1nsky> redis is in lucid, don't know if it works for your future planned application
[20:36:54] <seb_kuzm1nsky> it's not in hardy
[20:37:28] <mhaberler> I _think_ the issue was the lucid version was so old it would not support the python bindings
[20:37:48] <mhaberler> let me see what that shopping list was
[20:40:03] <mhaberler> pretty sure that was it - just redis as per
https://github.com/antirez/redis.git 2.6 (then) , and
https://github.com/andymccurdy/redis-py.git master - that is all
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[20:44:05] <seb_kuzm1nsky> can we just remove it until it's actually needed? we're just having to do extra work now (while we all have other things we'd rather be doing) for no benefit, right?
[20:47:50] <gene77> Hi all
[20:48:21] <mhaberler> please check back with drogge
[20:49:01] <cradek> I'm not sure I personally care whether master builds on hardy. is that a requirement you were working with?
[20:49:13] <gene77> here is a requester for a feature enhancement of g83, It needs an optional restart depth to be used when creeping up on max depth for a teeny bit
[20:49:49] <skunkworks> hardy lts isn't officially supported - is it?
[20:49:56] <skunkworks> By ubuntu
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[20:51:07] <cradek> skunkworks: it's been EOL for a few years at least
[20:51:34] <skunkworks> I have not used the hardy version in ages
[20:51:34] <cradek> skunkworks: although it's our last platform that does not require LAPIC, so people on some particular hardware can't simply upgrade.
[20:51:53] <cradek> (we sacrificed that compatibility to get SMP support)
[20:51:59] <skunkworks> right
[20:52:55] <cradek> gene77: in the meantime, you could reproduce what G83 does (with the backoff smaller) using an O word loop
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[20:55:00] <seb_kuzm1nsky> mhaberler: i don't understand - what does drogge have to do with it? did you fork redis into linuxcnc because drogge wanted it? i'm confused
[20:55:09] <mhaberler> he is using it
[20:55:57] <mhaberler> we worked together on some redis use, and he picked it up - it didnt make it back into master, but then that will not be the only application
[20:56:20] <mhaberler> let me see if I can make it a non-default config option
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[20:56:27] <seb_kuzm1nsky> oh wait, tormach has their own branch of linuxcnc somewhere i think, maybe that's using redis?
[20:56:32] <gene77> I don't need the backoff smaller, I really do need to have it clear the hole.
[20:56:33] <mhaberler> yes
[20:56:40] <seb_kuzm1nsky> ah
[20:57:11] <seb_kuzm1nsky> well, as you know i disagree with the redis fork on fundamental software engineering principles
[20:57:15] <cradek> gene77: by backoff, I meant the distance above the old point where it starts feeding again. I think that's the problematic thing if I understand you right?
[20:57:23] <mhaberler> originally it was intended to come back, but I had some misunderstandings about the general usefulness of it - it turned out to be very specific for them
[20:57:34] <gene77> I may write the loop though. It just barely has a grip on the drill bit, and it just pulled out of the chuck trying to do the backoff move
[20:57:40] <seb_kuzm1nsky> configuring it out would be a practical improvement, but would not adress the underlying bad smell
[20:57:42] <mhaberler> that's why there's currently no redis-using code
[20:58:27] <seb_kuzm1nsky> even if we were using it, maintaining our own fork of it (or forking it and not maintaining it, like now) is the wrong way to go
[20:58:35] <gene77> Need longer .0625 drill bit, I need a good 2" deep.
[20:58:36] <mhaberler> I agree
[20:58:37] <cradek> it seems like packaging a newer redis for whatever tormach's platform is would not be too hard. it must not need much in the way of build deps if you could copy it into our tree and make it build.
[20:59:18] <seb_kuzm1nsky> i suggest again that we remove it from our tree, and whoever needs it can do the work of backporting it to our supported platforms
[20:59:20] <cradek> needless to say, I agree with both of you about smell
[20:59:41] <mhaberler> well next to nothing - all that is: their makefile isnt parallel-safe
[20:59:50] <seb_kuzm1nsky> we smell bad enough already, no need to add more ;-)
[20:59:59] <cradek> ha
[21:00:22] <mhaberler> ok - well if you want to wipe it - fine; just make sure drogge knows
[21:00:39] <cradek> and yay, who cares how bad their makefiles are if it's in a separate package
[21:01:06] <mhaberler> as for cleaning on bad smell - sure we had a working system left if we _really_ did that ;-?
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[21:01:27] <cradek> http://www.flickr.com/photos/54644045@N08/5055032357
[21:01:56] <cradek> ^ (this has been going around my office)
[21:02:18] <mhaberler> I hope not in the mirror
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[21:04:35] <gene77> the other problem is that the depth is relative to where you start it. yet G90 is in effect
[21:04:59] <cradek> you mean retract plane?
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[21:05:22] <gene77> so I can start it way deep in trhe hole, and use a large R value to get clearance?
[21:05:43] <gene77> set to go sau .1 deeper than it is
[21:06:05] <gene77> sau/say
[21:06:33] <cradek> I'd have to read the docs for a half hour to remember how g90/g91/g98/g99 interact
[21:06:58] <cradek> pretty sure they now (2.5) work like "industry" expects
[21:07:25] <cradek> but yeah, you should be able to do that with care
[21:08:04] <cradek> I believe some controls have "first peck is this deep" but we don't
[21:08:24] <cradek> ... because sometimes you can go for a ways before you really need to start pecking
[21:17:37] <gene77> Yeah, and I just found that if the R value is greater than the Z value, sign ignored, it does the whole thing at the f value after the first peck. I may as well write the code :)
[21:18:42] <seb_kuzm1nsky> gene77: whoa, that sounds like a bug!
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[21:22:22] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/remove-redis.mbox
[21:22:50] <seb_kuzm1nsky> great!
[21:23:03] <seb_kuzm1nsky> i just posted to emc-developers requesting feedback, as per mhaberler's suggestion
[21:23:12] <cradek> uh, that ugly 4MB patch is one git revert and one rm -r, don't bother reading it all
[21:23:30] <seb_kuzm1nsky> heh ok
[21:23:55] <cradek> Starting LinuxCNC...
[21:23:55] <cradek> redis server started as: 'redis-server ', logging to: /dev/null
[21:24:08] <cradek> well I missed at least one thing
[21:24:19] <cradek> takes more study, but it does build and run
[21:26:45] <cradek> could also do it as a lot of reverts (10-20ish?)
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[22:10:51] <seb_kuzm1nsky> yay, the rtai cvs is back up, now i can test paolo's changes
[22:12:47] <cradek> I bet now would be a good time to tell him about all the reasons he should move to git
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[22:13:23] <seb_kuzm1nsky> he does use git for the linux patch
[22:13:45] <seb_kuzm1nsky> except then he extracts the git branch as a single patch file, and checks it in to CVS
[22:13:53] * seb_kuzm1nsky squints skeptically
[22:14:10] <cradek> this is one of those times when maybe you couldn't tell I was not being serious
[22:15:10] <seb_kuzm1nsky> he's talked about moving to git on the mailing list, iirc
[22:15:24] <seb_kuzm1nsky> i'm going to offer him help when he brings it up of his own accord ;-)
[22:15:30] <cradek> heh
[22:15:37] <cradek> I forget who did our import, but it went well
[22:16:30] <seb_kuzm1nsky> i think it was jepler
[22:17:44] <cradek> that would be typical
[22:18:07] <seb_kuzm1nsky> yeah that guy is always importing stuff into git
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