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[00:41:59] <kwallace> Has there been any work done for radius compensation for tools with two control points, such as a parting or grooving tool?
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[00:44:59] <andypugh_> kwallace: Sounds hairy.
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[00:46:28] <kwallace> Thinking a little more, I suppose I could call two tools, each with a control point on each side using the same pocket, with and offset with the tool width.
[00:46:51] <kwallace> Sounds hairy.
[00:47:29] <kwallace> Where in the software is compensation handled?
[00:50:14] <andypugh> kwallace: You can't have two tools in the same pocket
[00:50:25] <andypugh> This is a feature. A bad one.
[00:51:06] <kwallace> Compensation in general or parting tools?
[00:52:19] <andypugh> I was talking about not being able to have two tools in the same pocket as being a bad feature
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[00:57:13] <kwallace> What do the other people with HNC lathes do with multiple tools at each turret loactation?
[00:57:20] <kwallace> location
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[01:00:04] <andypugh> The toolchanger can be persuaded to use modulo arithmetic, so positions 1 and 21 are the same (as an example)
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[01:08:10] <kwallace> Okay, I seem to recall doing that before. It has been a while since I've played with it.
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[04:02:10] <cradek> that's how mine is. if you're at T1 and you do T9M6 the turret lifts and goes back down, haha
[04:15:01] <skunkworks> You could probably figure a way around that... ;)
[04:15:30] <cradek> well sure... but it's cute the way it is.
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[04:30:27] <skunkworks> I guess then you know the tool changed..... :-)
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[06:16:43] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master 8998b12 06emc2 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/gscreen.py * gscreen -fix error message if move-to button pressed
[06:16:44] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master 613bfa7 06emc2 10configs/sim/gscreen_custom/industrial.glade * gscreen config -change some gui elements for aesthetics
[06:16:47] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master 9c8c8c5 06emc2 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/gscreen.py * gscreen -add support for an alarm page
[06:16:54] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master c62a286 06emc2 10configs/sim/gscreen_custom/ 10industrial.glade 10industrial_handler.py * gscreen config -added features to industrial screen
[06:17:02] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master 4187523 06emc2 10docs/src/gui/gladevcp.txt * docs -start to add info about new gladevcp widgets
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[16:00:57] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05v2.5_branch 5d8bd99 06emc2 10src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc * Include TLO in halui's relative position outputs
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[16:52:33] <kwallace1> Let's say I have a standard LinuxCNC install, then I git a another version into it's own directory. Normally I go to the new directory and invoke ". ./scripts/rip-environment" and do my thing. Now, lets say I want to go back and run the original LinuxCNC, but it doesn't look like there is an environment script for the original. What is a good way to use the original LinuxCNC?
[16:52:52] <cradek> exit your shell and start a new one
[16:53:39] <kwallace1> Just starting a new terminal should do it?
[16:53:44] <cradek> environment doesn't get propagated upward to parents, so when you do that, you're just setting up the rip environment in that one terminal
[16:53:49] <cradek> sure
[16:54:04] <kwallace1> Cool.
[16:55:26] <kwallace1> Well, that was easy. Thank you.
[16:55:37] <cradek> yay for easy questions
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[17:59:57] <kwallace1> I'm trying to trouble shoot radius compensation for a lathe setup. I used to use check the difference in paths in AXIS with and without compensation included in the g-code file. Should this still work? I doesn't seem to for me now.
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[18:07:18] <seb_kuzminsky> kwallace1: yes that should work
[18:07:26] <seb_kuzminsky> which version of linuxcnc are you on?
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[18:09:42] <kwallace1> Okay, Thanks. I'm comparing 2.5 and AXIS with 2.6 and a custom Glade UI with Gremlin.
[18:10:17] <seb_kuzminsky> it works in 2.5 with axis but doesnt work in 2.6 with the custom gui?
[18:19:24] <kwallace1> I was getting compensation on the wrong side of paths and lead in arcs going the wrong way. So I went to 2.5 and AXIS and got my test file to work with AXIS. I just brought up 2.6 and the custom UI and now it works just like AXIS did. So right now, AXIS and the custom UI look the same, which is new. Both don't seem to have the path trace changed with and with out G43 in the g-code file. I'll need to play with it more to understand what chang
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[18:25:48] <kwallace1> Oh, fiddlesticks. G43 is wrong should have used G41 or G42.
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[18:30:16] <seb_kuzminsky> that'll do it ;-)
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[18:34:09] <kwallace1> But now the paths are messed up on both, so it must be another operator error. I do get a path offset with and without compensation which is what I expected in the first place.
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[18:49:51] <cradek> is your tool in front or behind? if in front, remember left and right will seem backward to you
[18:53:13] <cradek> do you see G43 is tool offset, which has nothing to do with radius compensation? Not sure if it's a typo above.
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[18:58:45] <cradek> oh now I see you saw that
[18:58:48] <cradek> sorry
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[19:28:16] <kwallace1> Okay, I now have a file that works in AXIS:
http://www.wallacecompany.com/tmp/Screenshot-7.png . Now, I'm going to test the other UI.
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[19:35:01] <kwallace1> Here is the other UI:
[19:35:17] <kwallace1> http://www.wallacecompany.com/tmp/Screenshot-7.png
[19:35:52] <kwallace1> Oops:
http://www.wallacecompany.com/tmp/Screenshot-8.png
[19:40:09] <kwallace1> I think the problem is that the interpreter or motion was changed to swap +X motion but the compensation bit wasn't updated. Any clues as to where to look? I've started looking at the interp files but I haven't caught on yet. Maybe something to do with path_x and current_x?
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[19:41:21] <seb_kuzminsky> the "good" pic is from 2.5/axis, and the "bad" pic is from 2.6/custom-gui, is that right?
[19:41:35] <cradek> swapping X should not have involved a change to the interpreter or motion. it's purely a display issue.
[19:42:52] <kwallace1> So if I cut a real part, it should be okay?
[19:43:07] <cradek> I have no idea what's been done to your system so I have no way to answer that
[19:43:39] <cradek> but if someone was messing around in the interpreter because they wanted the preview window flipped in X, they were really mistaken about how to handle that
[19:44:22] <cradek> your -8 image looks like confused tool orientation, not confused left/right
[19:44:28] <kwallace1> That's just a wild guess on my part. I'm just trying to figure out how to fix it.
[19:44:50] <cradek> you can't know how to fix it unless you know what they did!
[19:45:41] <kwallace1> Well at least now I have a case to present. Thanks for the help.
[19:45:49] <cradek> welcome
[19:46:25] <JT-Shop> kwallace1: you working on the what's the name of the machine screen?
[19:46:36] <JT-Shop> the one Rogge made?
[19:46:48] <kwallace1> Yes.
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[19:47:14] <JT-Shop> he is using gremlin, so all he should have had to do is set the view
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[19:50:14] <kwallace1> My current thought is that Gremlin just plots the positions it gets. If the plot is wrong in one axis and not the other, Gremlin is just getting the wrong data?
[19:51:06] <JT-Shop> or there is a bug in the y2 view
[19:53:53] <kwallace1> But the non-comp path is good.
[19:54:47] <JT-Shop> have you tried both G41 and G42 to see if they are reversed?
[19:55:08] <kwallace1> I can try.
[19:55:21] <JT-Shop> also what tool orientation are you using?
[19:56:11] <JT-Shop> I would expect position 3 for general turning with back tools
[19:58:47] <kwallace1> http://www.wallacecompany.com/tmp/Screenshot-9.png
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[20:00:12] <JT-Shop> the white line is the non-comp path?
[20:01:33] <kwallace1> Yes, I got that by making the tool radius 0, load the file to get the plot, then set the tool radius to .04" and run.
[20:03:42] <JT-Shop> try it with the G41/42 commented out
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[20:06:00] <kwallace1> Okay, but it should just run on the white paths. brb
[20:06:44] <cradek> you aren't changing tool orientation when switching from X-is-down-preview to X-is-up-preview are you?
[20:07:32] <cradek> this looks like it should be tool orientation 2
[20:09:00] <kwallace1> http://www.wallacecompany.com/tmp/Screenshot-10.png
[20:09:34] <cradek> what tool orientation is this?
[20:10:05] <kwallace1> 3
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[20:10:26] <cradek> but when you made the correct-looking preview in AXIS you changed it to 2?
[20:10:40] <kwallace1> I'll check.
[20:10:48] <cradek> I'm pretty sure 3 is wrong
[20:10:59] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/lathe/lathe-user.html#_lathe_tool_orientation_a_id_lathe_tool_orientation_a
[20:11:19] <cradek> see the +X and +Z arrows? pay attention to those, not up and down
[20:11:31] <kwallace1> 2 in AXIS
[20:12:00] <cradek> yeah changing that is wrong and the cause of your incorrect path
[20:12:09] <JT-Shop> yep, I forgot to flip my monitor when looking at the tool orientation
[20:12:55] <kwallace1> I used the orientation that put the control point on the proper side of the tool graphic.
[20:13:08] <cradek> then the tool graphic is wrong
[20:13:23] <kwallace1> Now there's a thought.
[20:13:28] <cradek> remember this is a preview issue only. if it looks wrong it's a preview bug
[20:13:38] <cradek> changing the tool table to work around a preview bug is going to give you wrong motion
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[20:14:40] <cradek> the preview should look like AXIS but flipped, end of story
[20:14:48] <cradek> but it sounds like the tool graphic doesn't flip
[20:16:42] <kwallace1> I'm thinking I could select orientation 9 and see what comp does.
[20:17:55] <cradek> select 2 and ignore how the tool looks in your incorrect preview. you'll get the correct motion (just look at the tool's tip radius and imagine it as a full circle)
[20:21:23] <kwallace1> http://www.wallacecompany.com/tmp/Screenshot-11.png
[20:22:02] <kwallace1> Looks like comp is applied properly here.
[20:22:03] <cradek> that looks correct for 9
[20:22:40] <cradek> well it's always applied properly (according to the tool orientation you give it)
[20:22:53] <cradek> it just looks bogus because your preview is wrong
[20:40:38] <JT-Shop> IIRC in gremlin the y2 and x2 views were added but I noticed one part of the code where it looked like it should have been added there too
[20:41:55] <JT-Shop> def get_view(self):
[20:41:55] <JT-Shop> 273 view_dict = {'x':0, 'y':1, 'z':2, 'p':3}
[20:41:55] <JT-Shop> 274 return view_dict.get(self.current_view, 3)
[20:42:34] <JT-Shop> where this contains y2 and z2
[20:42:35] <JT-Shop> def set_current_view(self):
[20:42:36] <JT-Shop> 215 if self.current_view not in ['p', 'x', 'y', 'y2', 'z', 'z2']:
[20:42:36] <JT-Shop> 216 return
[20:42:36] <JT-Shop> 217 return getattr(self, 'set_view_%s' % self.current_view)()
[20:42:42] <JT-Shop> not x2... bad memory
[20:43:03] <JT-Shop> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=src/emc/usr_intf/gremlin/gremlin.py;h=cda74013637889398874e738c74c8f635fc98a22;hb=refs/heads/master
[20:44:38] <kwallace1> Thinking aloud, ... the orientation number selects where the radius center is in relation to the control point. If I get this wrong, both the real part and the graphic will be wrong. Ignoring the tool graphic, the only way to tell where the radius center really is, is to see how the control point path alters from the non-comp path. ... (thinking of an excuse to do something else).
[20:45:33] <cradek> yes
[20:45:47] <cradek> you can think of the compensated path as always like what 9 (mill style) gives you
[20:46:17] <cradek> the other tool orientations just push it left/right and/or up/down because the controlled point is offset from the center of the tip radius
[20:58:11] <kwallace1> Orientation 9 is unique in that the radius center and the control point are at the same location. I still need to work on getting the proper orientation number then I think apply the proper tool angles to get the correct look. The worst that happens is that I try all eight. bbl.
[20:59:17] <kwallace1> JT-Shop: What you posted is Greek to me, does it reveal something?
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[21:03:02] <JT-Shop> kwallace1: I'm not sure but in my monkey see monkey do it looks like something got missed
[21:03:57] <kwallace1> Okay.
[21:08:05] <JT-Shop> might show it to Rogge to see if it rings a bell with him
[21:08:30] <JT-Shop> in any case it is Friday 3pm sun is out and the other children are out playing so I must go
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[21:15:29] <kwallace1> Thank you JT.
[21:17:34] <kwallace1> Right path, tool side angles obviously won't fix the graphic.
http://www.wallacecompany.com/tmp/Screenshot-12.png
[21:20:02] <kwallace1> Mirroring the radius center around Z and side angles might.
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