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[02:02:51] <GoSebGo> A bug in the Precise version of git is preventing the buildbot from building the master branch
[02:05:29] <cradek> a git bug??
[02:10:26] <seb_kuzminsky> http://trac.buildbot.net/ticket/2127
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[02:10:33] <seb_kuzminsky> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/185942
[02:10:43] <seb_kuzminsky> looks like they're already fixing it
[02:12:52] <cradek> huh
[02:13:11] <cradek> seems like at least one git dev thinks it's a weird operation
[02:13:20] <cradek> I don't have the means to form an opinion about that
[02:14:22] <seb_kuzminsky> junio, the git boss hog, said:
[02:14:26] <cradek> man the git ui is such a swirl
[02:14:32] <seb_kuzminsky> there is no reason to forbid renaming the current branch to the tip commit of itself. Will queue.
[02:14:39] <seb_kuzminsky> swirl?
[02:14:49] <cradek> swirl, like what you get upon flushing
[02:14:53] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[02:15:10] <cradek> I think it's a polite way to spell clusterfuck
[02:15:13] <seb_kuzminsky> "i personally went to an all you can eat fish taco buffet...."
[02:16:39] <cradek> I wish gnome and/or firefox hadn't copied the asinine windows "feature" of messages slipping into view and then away off the bottom of the lower right corner of the screen
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[02:16:50] <cradek> I occasionally see motion down there but have no way to know what it was
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[02:17:07] <cradek> fucking idiots
[02:17:12] <cradek> if it's a stupid idea DON'T COPY IT
[02:17:39] <cradek> uh I'm not really in that foul a mood, jeez
[02:17:50] <seb_kuzminsky> hah
[02:18:02] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek is turning into a crotchety old man
[02:18:10] <seb_kuzminsky> git off mah lawn you damned kids
[02:18:16] <cradek> no kidding
[02:18:29] <seb_kuzminsky> with your fancy notifiers and semi-transparent wobbly windows
[02:18:40] <cradek> and schwooping
[02:19:04] <seb_kuzminsky> in my day we had 80x24 characters, green on black, and we liked it
[02:19:15] <cradek> mine were amber
[02:19:33] <cradek> heck I still have 80x24 characters a lot of the time...
[02:19:47] <seb_kuzminsky> ah yeas, amber's easy on the eyes for those 20-hour coding marathons
[02:20:01] <cradek> I really wonder what that announcement was
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[02:20:12] <cradek> probably some damn thing wants to be updated
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[02:20:30] <seb_kuzminsky> didn't it end up as a new minimized window hiding in your panel or something?
[02:21:07] <cradek> which thing is the panel?
[02:21:30] <cradek> it's not a window, it's a thing that slides up into view and then slides down out of view
[02:21:34] <cradek> ... never to be seen again
[02:22:03] <seb_kuzminsky> on my lucid gnome the panel is a gray bar at the bottom that has a button for each window (minimized or not), with the title of the window in the button
[02:22:10] <seb_kuzminsky> huh
[02:22:11] <cradek> unlike the thing in the upper right, which is another kind of notification that has similar but not the same behavior
[02:22:18] <seb_kuzminsky> what are you running, windows 98?
[02:22:36] <cradek> I'm surprised you haven't seen this
[02:23:00] <cradek> well adblock plus wants an update. I bet it was probably that.
[02:23:23] <seb_kuzminsky> sometimes i'll get a little animation like an empty window-frame minimizing itself into the panel, but it always becomes a button there that i can click to bring the new window up
[02:23:26] <cradek> I found this after looking under both "Extensions" and "Plugins" which are apparently somehow different
[02:23:34] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[02:23:56] <cradek> haha there's also "Get Add-ons"
[02:23:59] <seb_kuzminsky> there's some kind of extension-cord joke there but i'm too tired to pull it out
[02:24:10] <seb_kuzminsky> you should get some of those
[02:24:10] <cradek> I wonder if that Adds-on "Extensions" or "Plugins"
[02:24:22] <cradek> good god
[02:24:24] <seb_kuzminsky> or yet a third different thing
[02:25:01] <cradek> I wonder if I adblock plus whether I'll get the one that now shows you ads
[02:25:07] <seb_kuzminsky> on a different topic, i think we should give jthornton a raise, he's kicking ass on the docs
[02:25:32] <cradek> yes let's double his pay right away
[02:25:38] <seb_kuzminsky> done
[02:25:54] <cradek> awesome
[02:26:02] <cradek> and still we're within budget
[02:26:07] <seb_kuzminsky> haha
[02:26:35] <seb_kuzminsky> ok i'm gonna go pull the kids out of the shower and tuck them in bed, back in a bit
[02:27:12] <cradek> ok
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[04:09:09] <CIA-24> EMC: 03seb 07precise-2.4 * rff877ca15fdb 10/scripts/get-version-from-git: provide a reasonable version number for unknown branches
[04:09:10] <CIA-24> EMC: 03seb 07precise-2.4 * r921502ade234 10/debian/configure: teach debian/configure about Precise Pangolin
[04:09:11] <CIA-24> EMC: 03seb 07precise-2.4 * r57b182d0d1ba 10/src/hal/user_comps/Submakefile: fix a link-order bug for gcc 4.6 (in Ubuntu 12.04)
[04:09:12] <CIA-24> EMC: 03seb 07precise-2.4 * rb001843ff547 10/debian/control.in: allow use of newer libreadline
[04:11:00] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton asked a while back if there was a way to test local changes on the buildbot, and i answered him that he could push a branch to the linuxcnc.org repo and the buildbot would build it
[04:11:21] <seb_kuzminsky> so i just actually tried that the other day, with the precise-2.4 branch i'm working on, and ... it broke
[04:11:55] <seb_kuzminsky> because of a shortcoming in the get-version-from-git script, it used to not understand any branches other than 2.4, 2.5, and master, and give bogus results for other branches
[04:12:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i think i just fixed it
[04:12:10] <seb_kuzminsky> it's the first commit in the new precise-2.4 branch i just force-updated
[04:12:12] <seb_kuzminsky> we'll see
[04:12:28] <cradek> but creating branches that persist forever is an extremely poor way to do a test compile
[04:13:14] <seb_kuzminsky> agreed, the developer (me in this case) should remove them once they're merged
[04:13:22] <seb_kuzminsky> with "git push origin :precise-2.4"
[04:13:29] <seb_kuzminsky> pushing the "empty branch" to that name removes it
[04:13:32] <cradek> arg why am I still up?
[04:13:37] <cradek> oh, I had no idea
[04:14:10] <seb_kuzminsky> it's kind of nice to test-build on all our platforms, including building docs and debs, before merging into our 'real' branches
[04:14:32] <cradek> yeah, that actually sounds pretty neat
[04:15:01] <cradek> goodnight
[04:15:09] <seb_kuzminsky> goodnight cradek :-)
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[05:29:08] <seb_kuzminsky> ugh, except i use the branch name as the debian component name in the archive, which needs to be in the sources.list for apt-get to find it
[05:29:22] <seb_kuzminsky> so the dsc gets uploaded to a place where the deb builder can't find it
[05:29:25] <seb_kuzminsky> sucky
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[05:48:36] <psha[work]> are you using .changes files?
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[07:25:28] <mhaberler> cradek: could you add mahsofo to the set of users which can update the bugtracker? I keep fixing bugs, cant set me as owner and share that good news that the bug has been resolved..
[07:35:02] <alex_joni> mhaberler: I'll bring it up with the board, but I don't see anything against it
[07:36:29] <mhaberler> board, board.. hm. so it does exist ;-?
[07:37:34] <alex_joni> it seems to :P
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[12:47:26] <glen_> anyone suggest some stuff to read for the interpolation algorithm of emc2?
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[12:59:23] <cradek> the sf lists have gone crazy
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[13:49:22] <mhaberler> anybody can explain me the rational why a pocket # in the tooltable is dropped on read when it's not a RANDOM_TOOLCHANGER=1 type setup? I cant see any good reason why that kind of information is dropped when it would be really useful for a rack tc for example
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[14:01:38] <skunkworks> because in a rack tool changer - the tool always goes back into the same slot it came out of.
[14:01:55] <skunkworks> (that is what I think anyway)
[14:04:03] <mhaberler> I'm not convinced by this explanation - the loss of pocket information means with a rack TC that the pocket position is equal to the tool number, which is silly
[14:07:04] <mhaberler> for instance the italian fellow over at #emc this morning has a rack tc and tools which conceptually have more than one tool in one pocket (different offsets, diameter) - so these tools have different numbers, but identical pocket numbers - no way to map that kind of setup for the simple reason that user information present in the tt is dropped
[14:08:40] <mhaberler> I'll fix all this nonsense eventually but it would be nice to have an intermediate fix for this
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[14:14:42] <skunkworks> I think I am seeing it...
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[14:24:00] <skunkworks> I think the original design was for old machines that you only called the pocket number.. SO when you wrote a gcode program - you would put the tools in the right pocket and adjust accordingly..
[14:24:16] <skunkworks> But we are not limited to that
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[19:01:17] <CIA-24> EMC: 03jthornton 07v2.5_branch * re829a65da26b 10/docs/src/hal/ (4 files): Docs: markup and table fixes
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[19:44:43] <skunkworks> quote of the day from JonE 'Sorry, this stuff IS complicated, not like plugging in a toaster.'
[19:44:52] <skunkworks> :)
[19:45:19] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/emc_linux_enhanced_machine_control/142406-why_should_i_use_emc.html
[20:05:04] <cradek> Mach has a much cleaner interface and more professional look
[20:14:48] <skunkworks> Yah - I don't understand that.
[20:15:14] <skunkworks> but to each his own..
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[21:37:54] <CIA-24> EMC: 03seb 07precise-2.4 * re1bed62e510f 10/scripts/githelper.sh: build system: fix a comment to match reality
[21:37:54] <CIA-24> EMC: 03seb 07precise-2.4 * r7c6c53f49393 10/scripts/githelper.sh: build system: reindent for clarity
[21:37:54] <CIA-24> EMC: 03seb 07precise-2.4 * r8c09addcb26d 10/scripts/ (get-deb-component-from-git githelper.sh): build system: add git-branch to deb-component mapping
[21:37:54] <CIA-24> EMC: 03seb 07precise-2.4 * rf176b044930d 10/scripts/get-version-from-git: build system: make reasonable version numbers for unknown branches
[21:37:54] <CIA-24> EMC: 03seb 07precise-2.4 * re56ae78490f3 10/debian/configure: packaging: teach debian/configure about Precise Pangolin
[21:37:54] <CIA-24> EMC: 03seb 07precise-2.4 * r6297fea75f57 10/src/hal/user_comps/Submakefile: build system fix a link-order bug for gcc 4.6 (in Ubuntu 12.04)
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[21:37:54] <CIA-24> EMC: 03seb 07precise-2.4 * r7a74494b1f05 10/debian/control.in: packaging: allow use of newer libreadline
[21:38:14] <cradek> why do we keep getting those same commits over and over?
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[21:58:46] <mhaberler> alex_joni: I would think the 15min limit on session timeout in the forum is odd - is there any precise reason why one can not stay logged in?
[21:59:30] <mhaberler> basically between an issue coming up, formulating an answer, you're kicked -???
[22:01:48] <cradek> 15 minutes isn't long enough for the booze to kick in enough to make it possible to answer a question on the forum.
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[22:17:13] <mhaberler> that, too, suggests a longer timeout
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[22:48:32] <GoSebGo> cradek: because i keep pushing them over and over (sorry)
[22:49:59] <GoSebGo> I've got a branch i'm working on, and i keep rebasing it to keep it clean for jepler later
[22:51:40] <GoSebGo> I think it's ready now: 2.4 builds on precise with very minor changes
[22:52:30] <GoSebGo> Most of the commits i keep pushing are buildsystem fixes to support non-standard branches on the buildbot
[22:52:53] <GoSebGo> Ie, branches other than 2.4, 2.5, and master
[22:53:24] <GoSebGo> That actually works now
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[23:16:42] <GoSebGo> Ok, here's my official merge request:
[23:17:16] <GoSebGo> jepler, please consider merging precise-2.4 into v2.4_branch
[23:17:20] <GoSebGo> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=emc2.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/precise-2.4
[23:17:51] <GoSebGo> It builds and passes tests and makes debs on all our platforms
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[23:36:30] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: looking...
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[23:40:27] <CIA-24> EMC: 03jepler 07v2.4_branch * re1bed62e510f 10/scripts/githelper.sh: build system: fix a comment to match reality
[23:40:28] <CIA-24> EMC: 03jepler 07v2.4_branch * r7c6c53f49393 10/scripts/githelper.sh: build system: reindent for clarity
[23:40:29] <CIA-24> EMC: 03jepler 07v2.4_branch * r8c09addcb26d 10/scripts/ (get-deb-component-from-git githelper.sh): build system: add git-branch to deb-component mapping
[23:40:30] <CIA-24> EMC: 03jepler 07v2.4_branch * rf176b044930d 10/scripts/get-version-from-git: build system: make reasonable version numbers for unknown branches
[23:40:31] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: it all looks plausible and unlikely to affect other platforms
[23:40:31] <CIA-24> EMC: 03jepler 07v2.4_branch * re56ae78490f3 10/debian/configure: packaging: teach debian/configure about Precise Pangolin
[23:40:32] <CIA-24> EMC: 03jepler 07v2.4_branch * r6297fea75f57 10/src/hal/user_comps/Submakefile: build system fix a link-order bug for gcc 4.6 (in Ubuntu 12.04)
[23:40:34] <CIA-24> EMC: 03jepler 07v2.4_branch * r7a74494b1f05 10/debian/control.in: packaging: allow use of newer libreadline
[23:40:35] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: thanks for doing the work
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[23:41:29] <GoSebGo> Thanks jeff :-)
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