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[00:38:04] <andypugh> DrNoboto: I think if we manage to break a compile target then it will disappear next time the buildbot runs.
[00:39:36] <DrNoboto> hmm
[00:39:48] <andypugh> Err, actually, Do we do AMD-64 any more?
[00:40:15] <DrNoboto> isn't that what most people use nowadays?
[00:41:20] <andypugh> I am not sure.
[00:41:46] <andypugh> I would guess that, mainly, we are not AMD and not 64
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[00:54:11] <cradek> there are sim packages for amd64. I don't think we are doing realtime amd64 packages.
[00:54:31] <cradek> ... probably because we have no reliable working amd64 kernel and rtai build
[00:54:59] <DrNoboto> hmm
[00:55:08] <cradek> andypugh: amd64 is the pervasive 64 bit platform today
[00:55:11] <DrNoboto> what do you guys generally run it on then?
[00:55:28] <DrNoboto> i'd be hard pressed to find a 32 bit system
[00:55:30] <cradek> most people use the linuxcnc live cd, which is ubuntu 10.04 i386
[00:55:37] <DrNoboto> ah
[00:55:52] <cradek> you can install an i386 OS on any amd64 machine
[00:55:59] <DrNoboto> i forgot the i386 kernel will run on..
[00:55:59] <DrNoboto> yeah
[00:57:26] <cradek> for using emc, there would be no practical difference, except an amd64 build works on (even) fewer machines than x86+LAPIC which is our current requirement
[00:58:23] <DrNoboto> makes sense
[00:58:31] <DrNoboto> no problem actually, since i only need the simulator
[00:58:48] <cradek> ah, you win, then
[01:00:10] <andypugh> The EMC2 datatypes are nearly all 32 bits, there are, as far as I know, only half a dozen 64-bit variables in the whole package
[01:00:33] <andypugh> (Actually, I know of 4, and am assuming there are some more :-)
[01:00:59] <DrNoboto> i've been trying to compile the simulator from source for a while and am having dependency problems, so i'll go back to the package
[01:01:13] <seb_kuzminsky> we have 64-bit realtime packages on hardy
[01:01:14] <cradek> on what OS?
[01:01:15] <seb_kuzminsky> not on lucid tho
[01:01:21] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: weird
[01:01:25] <DrNoboto> i may need to add emc2-sim to the deb: line
[01:01:34] <seb_kuzminsky> "I am thankful for 100 Mbps Ethernet"
[01:01:45] <DrNoboto> i'm running 10.04
[01:01:49] <cradek> "I am thankful for tape backups"
[01:02:01] <cradek> DrNoboto: you shouldn't have any trouble building it then...
[01:02:17] <DrNoboto> i'm having cyclical tk/tcl issues
[01:02:21] <DrNoboto> that i can't track down
[01:02:21] <cradek> ah
[01:02:46] <DrNoboto> i even used --with-tclConfig and --with-tkConfig
[01:03:12] <DrNoboto> both are 8.5 right now
[01:03:28] <DrNoboto> the error is fairly opaque though:
[01:03:36] <DrNoboto> TCL mismatch: 8.5 vs
[01:03:37] <DrNoboto> configure: error: Python requires use of Tcl and Tk .
[01:03:47] <DrNoboto> :E
[01:03:50] <cradek> ew
[01:04:36] <DrNoboto> could also be a tkinter thing
[01:04:58] <cradek> checking match between tk and Tkinter versions... 8.5
[01:05:09] <cradek> this is what it says on my lucid system
[01:05:13] <DrNoboto> checking match between tk and Tkinter versions... Traceback (most recent call last):
[01:05:24] <DrNoboto> ImportError: No module named _tkinter
[01:05:24] <cradek> do you have the -dev packages for tcl and tk?
[01:05:33] <cradek> oh ok, install that
[01:05:50] <DrNoboto> i think i did already
[01:06:33] <DrNoboto> that would be the package: python-tk?
[01:06:54] <DrNoboto> ah, somehow it got removed when i was removing another version of tcl or tk
[01:07:06] <DrNoboto> onward! :)
[01:07:14] <cradek> did you apt-get build-dep emc2?
[01:07:26] <cradek> after that, I think the only additional package for -sim is pthreads
[01:08:05] <DrNoboto> i couldn't apt-get build-dep emc2
[01:08:12] <DrNoboto> because the kernel can't be satisfied
[01:08:33] <DrNoboto> so i was doing it manually
[01:08:35] <DrNoboto> one at a time
[01:08:39] <DrNoboto> :D
[01:08:54] <DrNoboto> i'm not very efficient sometimes
[01:10:58] <mozmck> hi cradek
[01:11:36] <cradek> hey
[01:11:41] <cradek> how's it going?
[01:12:20] <mozmck> pretty well. been busy as usual - or more
[01:12:50] <mozmck> Have you used gnome3 or Unity yet?
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[01:13:25] <cradek> no but I had a good laugh at kde4 one day
[01:13:33] <mozmck> oh?
[01:14:13] <mozmck> I've tried it but I go right back to gnome2.
[01:14:25] <DrNoboto> build success i believe
[01:15:04] <cradek> I'm finally used to gnome2, so I'd hate to change now
[01:16:28] <mozmck> yeah. I've used XFCE and LXDE a little now to test my options because I don't think I'm going to like gnome3 from what I've seen. They are pretty useable for me. Both use gtk+ and seem faster than gnome.
[01:16:33] <cradek> hahaha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6moM7x0ttKo
[01:16:50] <cradek> "you can rotate some windows for some reason! we don't know why!"
[01:17:50] <cradek> I'd go back to a traditional window in a minute, but with ubuntu gluing inappropriate stuff into the "desktop" (power saving, network manager, ...) it's hard to do.
[01:18:19] <cradek> so I guess maybe I'll eventually end up with xfce or whatever. or if it gets bad enough I'll go back to freebsd (or debian?) for desktop too.
[01:19:41] <cradek> but like andy pointed out on the list, the interesting question is not what I want, but what we want to do for our common users
[01:20:00] <mozmck> yeah.
[01:21:07] <cradek> a youtube commenter says windows still doesn't have multiple desktops. that's pretty amazing to me.
[01:21:23] <mozmck> One advantage of xfce is it doesn't need as new or powerful computer to run.
[01:24:37] <DrNoboto> why is texlive-lang-french a dependency?
[01:24:48] <DrNoboto> why is tex-anything a dep?
[01:25:05] <DrNoboto> probably could ignore that
[01:25:06] <cradek> docs are built with it
[01:25:35] <DrNoboto> i should have latex installed anyway
[01:25:48] <DrNoboto> so i don't mind the massive download which is going on right now
[01:25:55] <DrNoboto> otherwise i'd try to just skip it
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[01:31:37] <andypugh> There is about 2exabytes of Tex... stuff, it's a very significant disk space hit (OK, 2EB is an exaggeration)
[01:32:15] <cradek> eh quit your whining and delete open office if you're short on space. TeX is worth it.
[01:33:13] <DrNoboto> heh
[01:33:23] <DrNoboto> i wrote my master's thesis in latex
[01:33:35] <DrNoboto> bibtex made it worth it
[01:34:02] <DrNoboto> and of course the final product not looking like it was made by a secretary was a bonus
[01:34:17] <DrNoboto> no offense to any secretaries in here... ;)
[01:34:30] <cradek> actually getting well-typeset output is one of the nice benefits of using it
[01:34:46] <cradek> s/secretary/amateur/
[01:42:20] <DrNoboto> compiling
[01:46:13] <DrNoboto> installed
[01:46:26] <DrNoboto> when i run ./scripts/emc-environment i get:
[01:46:36] <DrNoboto> This script should be loaded in the context of your shell, by executing . ./scripts/emc-environment
[01:46:46] <DrNoboto> guess i need another .
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[02:09:43] <andypugh> My thesis is in Courier, because in the week before publication it was decided that I could no longer have access to the laser printer which had the soft-fonts I was relying on. It also meant that the equations are hand-written and glued in. I was not entirely happy about this.
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[02:11:40] <andypugh> But this was 1992, not-typewritten was considered a bonus.
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[09:35:29] <IchGucksLive> morning
[09:36:12] <IchGucksLive> someone her how Knows about glcanon.py
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[10:32:27] <IchGucksLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_E84zDaNLA test video for the Hackin of XYUV plane display
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[11:16:17] <jthornton> psha: if you get some time to look at these errors I keep getting when building the docs
http://pastebin.com/n8SZuaVx
[11:16:40] <jthornton> Error: no ID for constraint linkend: Halmeter.
[11:16:42] <jthornton> XRef to nonexistent id: Halmeter
[11:17:14] <jthornton> I'll be back in a couple of days... if you can tell me how to fix them :)
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[14:58:24] <IchGucksLive> jepler: ?
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[15:33:41] <CIA-95> EMC: 03mhaberler 07master * rf804c471b3ba 10/src/emc/ (26 files in 6 dirs): emc/cleanup: lowercase the globals in emcglb.*
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[16:09:00] <CIA-95> EMC: 03tissf 07v2.5_branch * r68fa27d84df8 10/docs/src/ (27 files in 11 dirs): French docs update
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[16:35:14] <CIA-95> EMC: 03tissf 07v2.5_branch * r5fd445811041 10/docs/src/hal/parallel_port_fr.txt: French docs update
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[16:53:03] <micges> logger[mah]: hi
[16:53:03] <logger[mah]> micges: Log stored at
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[17:00:35] <IchGucksLive> mhaberler: ?
[17:00:56] <mhaberler> yes?
[17:01:29] <IchGucksLive> where can i set global vars ?
[17:02:01] <IchGucksLive> vars are stored in ./Axis_preferences
[17:02:21] <mhaberler> von welchen variablen sprichst du: c, python, tcl, gtk...
[17:02:39] <IchGucksLive> i need to bring a information from Axis to glcanondraw
[17:02:50] <IchGucksLive> oh deutsch
[17:02:58] <mhaberler> genau, Wien und so
[17:03:02] <IchGucksLive> ich bi aus RLP
[17:03:09] <mhaberler> na wunderbar
[17:03:42] <IchGucksLive> ich arbeite an dem problem mit den 2 ebenen für styrocuts
[17:03:51] <mhaberler> ist das eine Axis config variable, die du dort referenzieren willst?
[17:03:54] <mhaberler> ja, ich sehs
[17:04:32] <IchGucksLive> also i ch greif beim laden der datei ab ob G17.1 Gesetzt ist
[17:05:01] <IchGucksLive> if 'G17.1' in l: xyuv_plane_view_available = True
[17:05:18] <mhaberler> also eine python global aus axis.py
[17:05:31] <IchGucksLive> dise variable brauch ich aber in glcanon.py
[17:05:37] <mhaberler> ok,
[17:06:30] <mhaberler> muss mal nachsehen
[17:06:40] <IchGucksLive> Danke
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[17:08:20] <IchGucksLive> global xyuv_plane_view_available
[17:08:22] <IchGucksLive> xyuv_plane_view_available = False
[17:08:25] <mhaberler> ich würde die eine member variable in MyOpenGL machen
[17:09:04] <IchGucksLive> so habe ich sie in def open_file_guts(f, filtered=False, addrecent=True): definiert
[17:09:22] <IchGucksLive> ich bin nich so der python kreg mehr basic type
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[17:30:47] <tissf> hi all
[17:32:01] <tissf> OpenDNS complains linuxcnc.org as a phishing site
[17:32:33] <tissf> I had to change dns
[17:33:20] <tissf> to open
http://linuxcnc.org
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[18:39:16] <seb_kuzminsky> tissf, your recent commit introduced a fairly big difference between how french docs get their pics and how the other languages do it, was that intentional?
[18:39:23] <seb_kuzminsky> doh, missed him
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[18:45:39] <IchGucksLive> hi all someone can help ?
[18:45:44] <IchGucksLive> root_window.tk.call(".menu", "configure", "-cursor", "watch")
[18:45:52] <IchGucksLive> line 907 axis
[18:46:30] <IchGucksLive> ("menu_view", Menu, ".menu.view"),
[18:46:46] <IchGucksLive> i want to disable a chekbutton in the .view menue
[18:47:05] <IchGucksLive> jeppler ß
[18:47:10] <IchGucksLive> jeppler ?
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[19:00:06] <IchGucksLive> jepler:
[19:08:09] <IchGucksLive> global name 'DISABLE' is not defined
[19:08:24] <IchGucksLive> how do you spell disabled
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[20:36:22] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkKandT: hey there, you use a 7i48, right?
[20:37:31] <seb_kuzminsky> oops, gtg bbl
[20:51:41] <skunkKandT> yes
[20:57:52] <GoSebGo> Skunk, what anyio board & firmware do you use?
[21:00:22] <skunkKandT> 5i20 and how do I tell?
[21:02:10] <GoSebGo> It'll be in the config modparam for hm2_pci
[21:04:21] <skunkKandT> firmware=hm2/5i20/SV12IM_2X7I48_72.BIT
[21:05:55] <GoSebGo> Cool.... Could you email me that bitfile please? Im trying to debug a 7i48 problem on my mill...
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