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[03:13:03] <CIA-11> EMC: 03cradek 07v2.5_branch * ra8cb306bfdda 10/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: pickconfig.tcl: link ngcgui_lib for package compatibility
[03:22:14] <cradek> well holy crap, I really do have a units bug with the TLO display.
[03:23:16] <SWPadnos> GET_SET_FROM_TO_EXT_PRG_LEN
[03:23:39] <cradek> nah, I think it's just the gui
[03:23:47] <SWPadnos> heh. phew :)
[03:23:51] <cradek> too late to start any work on it, though.
[03:23:57] <SWPadnos> indeedy
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[04:24:31] <chester88> Any idea when 2.4.7 will be released? I'm having lots a repeat bug reports for things fixed 6 months ago.
[04:25:24] <chester88> On a related not i'm curious why we don't just use buildbot to release versions?
[04:25:31] <chester88> note
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[16:00:28] <cradek> chester88: for 2.5 we do plan to use buildbot to build releases.
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[16:02:10] <KimK> cradek: Are you available for a moment?
[16:02:33] <cradek> a short moment
[16:03:17] <KimK> http://pastebin.com/XnstH7GA
[16:03:17] <cradek> arg, 2.5 merge into master has some doc conflicts it's not immediately obvious how to fix
[16:03:44] <KimK> Doc conflicts? Something I did?
[16:04:15] <cradek> not sure - seems like some changes were put on master, some (conflicting) were put on 2.5 branch
[16:04:56] <KimK> Oh, well, there were some minor collisions for me too, but nothing was too bad.
[16:05:19] <cradek> have you worked out a merge but not pushed it yet?
[16:05:30] <KimK> I mean, if *I* consider it easy, how hard could it be, lol?
[16:05:37] <cradek> sorry, I don't know what that program is about - you'll have to ask jepler
[16:07:30] <KimK> OK, thanks. Any help appreciated. And yes, I may have an unpushed merge or two, and I think I'm about to get more, I've been avoiding a pull lately. But I have all of the new PDFs building, I just need help with some of the HTML stuff.
[16:08:06] <KimK> Plus I want to push so others can get started on the translation, now that I've done most of the rough setup work.
[16:08:55] <KimK> Are you free later this afternoon to be around when I push in case of trouble? You said you were busy now, plus I have to go mow the lawn before it gets too hot.
[16:11:04] <KimK> I'll go mow now and check back here later. Thanks!
[16:13:27] <cradek> I'm working on a merge - that should help you I hope
[16:14:09] <KimK> Great, thanks, I'll take all the help I can get.
[16:14:50] <KimK> Back in an hour or so.
[16:14:59] <cradek> ok
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[16:58:55] <cradek> good gravy
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[17:03:06] <cradek> well we put that off long enough...
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[18:10:29] <KimK> Yow! I see a few that look familiar, did you have any trouble due to anything in docs?
[18:11:09] <cradek> I hope I guessed correctly on all the conflicts. I did check that docs still build in master after the merge.
[18:11:21] <cradek> if you'd have a second look at what I did, I'd appreciate it
[18:14:15] <KimK> Sure, but I might try a git fetch instead of my usual pull, so I can look it over first. (I just watched the YouTube / O'Reilly / "Git in One Hour". I probably need to watch it a couple more times, though.)
[18:14:35] <cradek> "Git in One Hour [at a time]"?
[18:15:07] <cradek> if git didn't make so many impossible things possible, I'd hate it
[18:15:43] <KimK> Well, like I say, I need to sit through it a couple more times, so, "Git in three or four hours", maybe?
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[18:18:19] <KimK> I have some commits to do here first, and before that, I might see if I can get any further on the HTML build problems, so if you need to do something else, this might be a good time for you to sneak off?
[18:19:08] <cradek> I'm going to be in and out...
[18:19:39] <KimK> OK, I'll post a note for you here when I'm getting close, if that's OK.
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[18:22:51] <KimK> skunkworks: Hi Sam, how about that big blast from CIA-11?
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[18:35:41] <skunkworks> KimK: I missed it?
[18:36:08] <skunkworks> logger[psha]:
[18:37:10] <skunkworks> KimK: Awesome - thanks for working on the docs
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[18:42:44] <KimK> skunkworks: Ha, that wasn't my push, not yet. That was cradek merging v2.5 into master (we've been putting that off)
[18:43:00] <skunkworks> ah - neat!
[18:43:08] <KimK> skunkworks: Only a few of those were mine
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[18:48:50] <KimK> There he goes again
[18:48:54] <cradek> what a swirl
[18:49:08] <KimK> You're a busy guy
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[18:49:31] <cradek> I started out to fix a simple bug (one line fix)
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[18:58:56] <KimK> Hi Andy. OK, so when git status says: "Your branch and 'origin/v2.5_branch' have diverged, and have 51 and 19 different commit(s) each, respectively." that tells me nothing about how many collisions there are, right? Could be zero, could be 100?
[18:59:13] <psha> KimK: yes
[19:00:25] <KimK> OK. So now I need to do what, "git merge --dry-run"? If I want to preview for collisions, I mean?
[19:01:30] <psha> you have lot of local documentation fixes?
[19:01:45] <CIA-11> EMC: 03cradek 07v2.5_branch * r49889299286e 10/docs/src/drivers/pico_ppmc.txt: add missing info for PPMC DAC hal pins
[19:02:13] <KimK> Yes, and I'd like to push soon, but not just yet, still trying to improve a few things. Do you know Python?
[19:02:30] <psha> you may try merge on separate branch
[19:03:02] <psha> commit your local changes, create new branch (git checkout -b test) update remote (git remote update origin) and try merging (git merge origin/v2.5_branch)
[19:04:58] <KimK> psha: If you know Python, maybe you can help me with this: http://pastebin.com/XnstH7GA
[19:06:00] <KimK> Back in 5 minutes, have to start a load of laundry.
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[19:07:03] <psha> KimK: you'd better say what you want to achieve :)
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[20:20:48] <KimK> psha: Oh, sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. What I want to achieve is to get somebody smarter than me to tell me what is supposed to be happening there.
[20:20:59] <psha> :D
[20:21:06] <psha> ah, that's different
[20:21:13] <psha> i guess it's trying to extract crossrefs?
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[20:25:43] <KimK> Possibly. There are a bunch of things commented out in the Submakefile, and I am trying to get the cross-reference table working again. Plus I have discovered (or added) "make checkref_en", "make checkref_de", and "make checkref_es" all of which are struggling with problems. "make checkref_fr" on the other hand seems to be working nicely, but may be relying on old LyX files, I'm not sure.
[20:27:08] <psha> if you want to discover references it's better to use links.py
[20:27:18] <KimK> Anyway, nobody can see any of this, because it's all local, so I might have to push even it needs more work, in order to get any help.
[20:27:36] <psha> you may push it to your local repo/branch?
[20:27:44] <KimK> links.py? Is that in Submakefile?
[20:28:07] <KimK> Sorry, I never heard of it.
[20:28:45] <psha> docs/src/
[20:28:50] <psha> i mean links.xsl
[20:28:57] <psha> however xref.py looks like same thing
[20:30:18] <KimK> Never heard of that one either.
[20:30:34] * KimK looks like a deer in headlights
[20:32:02] <psha> hm, it's in docs/src too:)
[20:32:14] <psha> used in build process to add correct cross document links
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[20:33:58] <KimK> The French seems to be reporting links nicely, I have a half-dozen or so errors, "links there, but not used", or somesuch, anyway, it looks plausible. En, De, Es, not so much.
[20:34:23] <KimK> All the PDFs are building nicely, though.
[20:35:50] <KimK> Well, I might be missing the man-PDF, I forgot, let me build again. I'm clean now, no good to look.
[20:37:15] <cpresser> KimK: i can check DE since its my native language. what do i need to do?
[20:42:30] <KimK> cpresser: Excellent, thanks! Well, actually, nothing at this time, all the programming is in English. However, I was asked to make some changes to allow for a Spanish translation of the EMC2 documents. So, while I was at it, I decided to change things around a little bit to allow for a German translation as well, and also to make it easier to add additional translations in the future.
[20:42:52] <KimK> So we *are* looking for a German editor/translator. Interested?
[20:43:23] <KimK> You would be starting with an English copy of the latest documentation.
[20:43:42] <KimK> (Which I haven't pushed yet.)
[20:44:22] <cpresser> at least, i will have a look. honestly i am ot quite sure if i want to do so much work :/
[20:44:36] <andypugh> Sounds like a lot of work, but does mean that you end up reading all the docs, which might actually be really useful.
[20:45:07] <cpresser> yes, an in the process i might even be able to improve them :)
[20:45:25] <KimK> I have been faking a little bit of rough translation using Google, in places. And trying to catch up the existing French version, which has fallen very far behind.
[20:45:42] <cpresser> i remember reading docs about hal wiring ('net' command) and not getting anything. i am still doing this on a trial-and-error basis
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[20:46:58] <cpresser> so basically, i will get the latest source out of the repository, copy english->german and fire up a text editor?
[20:47:09] <KimK> You wouldn't have to do everything at once, just work on it a page or two at a time. (Q: "How do you eat an elephant?"...)
[20:48:17] <KimK> No, it's even easier than that, I have already created all the blahblah_de.txt files, but they're in English. Well, 99.999% in English.
[20:49:15] <KimK> So you just pick one, edit it, put it back.
[20:49:48] <cpresser> which branch should i start working on? v2.5_branch?
[20:52:03] <KimK> There are four major manuals, Getting Started, User, HAL, and Integrator. (Developer is only in English, no plans to change that.). Yes, all this work is being done on v2.5_branch. Except it's all here, I haven't pushed anything yet. I was holding back because I'm not yet at 100% with the build, but...
[20:53:00] <KimK> ...Since according to the "Peter Principle", I have now risen to the level of my incompetence, and I may need help to make any further progress.
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[20:56:26] <KimK> Each of the four major manuals is kicked off by a short "master" file, which is just a list of 10 or 20 files to include. I'm also trying to include a spreadsheet (.ods) which has been helpful to me, but which now needs a little updating before I can recommend it again.
[20:59:02] <cpresser> but all documentation is now in ascidoc-format?
[20:59:31] <GoSebGo> Cradek, how did the merge of 2.5 into master go? It was wonky when i tried it a while ago
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[21:01:28] <KimK> cpresser: Glad to hear of your interest, I'll look forward to getting these files pushed so you can start working on them. Yes, AsciiDoc format, we are moving away from Lyx, it is version fussy, and we were having to use old versions to edit on new systems, to avoid file incompatibilities, etc.
[21:01:47] <KimK> GoSebGo: Hi Seb! New nick?
[21:02:39] <GoSebGo> Hi :-). I'm on my phone, i still use seb_kuzminsky on my computer
[21:05:56] <KimK> cpresser: The formatting itself should already be done for you too. Just the English text needs to be changed. There may be a way to use a larger-scale (whole-file-submit?) Google tool to help, I've only used the live-web translator, which is only good for a couple of small paragraphs or one very large one, it crashes if pushed much beyond that. It was only intended for copy-and-paste.
[21:07:15] <cpresser> i dont think a automated translation-tool will be any help. they are all pretty crappy, especially for technical texts
[21:07:52] <SWPadnos> KimK, you can put a URL into the translation box, and it will translate that web page
[21:08:15] <SWPadnos> so if you stick a file on an outwardly accessible web server, you can have it (poorly) translate an entire document for you
[21:08:36] <SWPadnos> also, the text entry box can take a fair amount of text - it will grow if it has to
[21:08:43] <SWPadnos> or scroll
[21:09:33] <KimK> cpresser: Yes, and now with the AsciiDoc formatting built in, that only confuses things further, because now you have alternately (don't modify)(must modify)(don't modify)(must modify) etc.
[21:10:27] <KimK> SWPadnos: I have seen the box grow, but if it grows too big you have to reload the page and start over with a smaller paste.
[21:10:37] <SWPadnos> ah
[21:11:53] <KimK> SWPadnos: But your web-server-whole-page idea is interesting, I wonder if there's a Google API to avoid the intermediate web posting step?
[21:12:12] <KimK> I wonder what kind of alphabet soup it would make out of that?
[21:12:18] <SWPadnos> err - what?
[21:12:46] <SWPadnos> you can't avoid having the page (file) available on the web, since the google servers need to be able to access it
[21:12:55] <SWPadnos> you can't avoid telling google the URL
[21:13:05] <SWPadnos> so I'm not sure what an API would help ...
[21:13:43] <KimK> Unless there's some kind of way to feed google one file at a time, without having to post it on the web. Just "upload" it somehow.
[21:14:28] <KimK> "Hey Google, translate this file and send it back"
[21:14:48] <KimK> Maybe, I don't know.
[21:15:15] <SWPadnos> ah. well, there probably is something like that available, but it's probably more of a PITA to write something to use it than it is to just enter the URLs and download the results manually :)
[21:15:28] <KimK> There's still the embedded AsciiDoc stuff too, that won't help.
[21:15:54] <andypugh> I wonder how much the Mecanical Turk would charge?
[21:16:26] <KimK> One obsolete coin?
[21:16:49] <SWPadnos> kimk: https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=gtrans&passive=true&nui=1&continue=http://translate.google.com/toolkit?hl%3Den&followup=http://translate.google.com/toolkit?hl%3Den&hl=en
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[21:18:38] <KimK> SWPadnos: Interesting, thanks! Bookmarked for later though, can't sit down and look at a video right now, maybe later.
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[21:18:52] <SWPadnos> don't bother with the video :)
[21:19:07] <SWPadnos> I just logged into my google account, and there's an upload button
[21:19:10] <SWPadnos> among other things
[21:19:16] <KimK> Oh, OK. Thanks again, in that case!
[21:19:49] <KimK> Oh, good, so they do have a file upload doohickey?
[21:20:03] <SWPadnos> yep, and you can share files with others as well
[21:20:18] <KimK> OK, great.
[21:20:22] <SWPadnos> so you could share the German one with CPresser, Spanish with whoever it was asking for that, etc
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[21:22:45] <cpresser> time to reset my google-account since i cant remember the password
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[21:24:28] <KimK> cpresser: Yes, please, we will definitely still need your services because Google is not 100% reliable, especially on technical documents. I know on the French it sometimes confuses CNC "home" (I forgot, something like "point du origin de la machine", "POM") with "maison" (a home, a residence) which might be understandable, but isn't "right".
[21:25:39] <KimK> And I don't even speak French!
[21:25:50] <cradek> GoSebGo: it was wonky like you say, but I bit the bullet anyway
[21:26:05] <cradek> I am not 100% sure about the docs merges, but I didn't think waiting longer was going to make it any better
[21:26:29] <cpresser> KimK: if you want to use google, and you did set something up, please just invite me
[21:26:43] <cpresser> ill send you my email-adress in a query
[21:26:46] * KimK hopes he doesn't set everybody else back too far.
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[21:29:59] <cradek> KimK: I don't think you caused the wonkyness, but I fear your upcoming merge since you've been working so long without one.
[21:30:46] <SWPadnos> ugh. back to cleaning
[21:31:58] <KimK> cradek: You may have just created a new git T-shirt there: "Fear the merge!"
[21:32:31] * cpresser would wear one of those
[21:32:52] <cradek> the only thing scarier than a rough merge is a vc system that doesn't have merge
[21:33:02] <KimK> Haha!
[21:35:21] <Jymmm> merge, purge, it's al the same.
[21:36:16] <KimK> cpresser: Thanks again for offering to help, and I will keep you informed. And thanks also for getting me off the hook: "Why did you add German? Nobody was asking for that!" "Ummm... 'If you build it, they will come?' "
[21:37:46] <cpresser> honestly i dont need german docs myself. i am so used to english doc, whichever software or product that i am havin trouble with german docs. but anyway, i will be glad to help
[21:38:19] <KimK> Thanks, we appreciate it. Laundry again, back in 5 minutes.
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[21:38:53] * Jymmm hands KimK his laundry to do! NO STARCH THIS TIME!
[21:41:36] <andypugh> what is emc.stat, and why might it not return .axes?
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[21:45:48] <micges> andypugh: invalid configuration
[21:46:33] <andypugh> Yes, and that is what the error says, but I am wondering what aspects of the configuration?
[21:46:58] <andypugh> For example, with a sim config that works for everyone else?
[21:47:34] <andypugh> I am pretty sure I have kicked it off with messed-up kinematics files, but that isn't the case here.
[21:47:44] <micges> axes names vs axes numbers is most common
[21:48:24] <micges> or bad args for emcmot realtime module
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[22:20:34] <andypugh> Now, how can I set a really proper error if the smart-serial comms breaks? I would actually quite like the driver to put up a big error box and e-stop the machine. Is there a "bail out" function that can be called?
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[22:22:33] <micges> good night
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[22:44:34] <SWPadnos> andypugh, you can add an output pin to the module (assuming it's a HAL module ...), which shows the state of the serial link
[22:45:01] <SWPadnos> that pin can then be worked into the estop chain however the integrator wants to do it
[22:45:12] <andypugh> There are several, but I dpn't trust folk to use them...
[22:46:47] <cradek> andypugh: can you cause the equivalent of a watchdog bite?
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[22:47:27] <andypugh> It's something I have picked up from the forum. People don't seem to look in dmesg for problems, so I don't know how to attract their attention.
[22:48:02] <SWPadnos> a pin, which is hooked to some estoppy-thing, would sure get their attention
[22:48:22] <andypugh> cradek: I suppose entering a while(1) loop would stop things getting any worse :-)
[22:48:43] <andypugh> Only if they do hook the pin to an e-stoppy thing.
[22:49:13] <SWPadnos> just stop updating any output pins, if they're using the serial for any kind of motor control or feedback, they'll get a following error pretty quickly
[22:49:30] <cradek> uh
[22:49:36] <cradek> or runaway
[22:50:03] <SWPadnos> I meant HAL outputs. but that's a good point - the driver shouldn't have to know what "neutral" is for every machine
[22:50:05] <cradek> "just go open loop and hope for the best" doesn't sound like a good idea to me
[22:50:42] <andypugh> Aye, current plan is to stop the serial comms. That will shit down the 8i20 boards.
[22:50:45] <cradek> that's why I suggested triggering the watchdog, since people probably (?) already have a setup where that stops the machine correctly
[22:50:57] <andypugh> Err, "shut down"
[22:51:10] <SWPadnos> it is pretty similar to a watchdog bite, it's just a timeout that gets reset by serial data rather than a software tickle
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[22:56:22] <andypugh> Actually, if I stop sending DoIt then the drives will drop out on their own watchdog. The user will never guess why, but at least nothing bad happens.
[22:57:56] <SWPadnos> what's wrong with (a) making the existing HM2 watchdog pin bite or (b) adding a serial timeout pin to the module?
[23:00:17] <andypugh> I have timeouts, this is slightly different (a buffer over-run, except it is a one-entry buffer)
[23:01:04] <andypugh> On reflection, I think that stopping the serial port will do the right things.
[23:01:40] <andypugh> I am trying to allow occasional over-runs, but trap them if they become frequent.
[23:02:34] <andypugh> I probably could make the main watchdog bite. I am not sure if that is the right thing to do.
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