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[07:56:03] <psha> mhaberler: yea, i'm too late today ;)
[07:56:15] <mhaberler> hm?
[07:56:41] <mhaberler> do you have some spare time so we can make the irc logger web stuff production-ready?
[07:57:02] <mhaberler> we have the first 90%.. now come the remaining 90%
[08:06:10] <psha> what's left?
[08:07:18] <mhaberler> decent tree structure for history browsing if you have the full log history
[08:07:52] <mhaberler> currently you have a flat history, that wont scale
[08:08:20] <mhaberler> plus an option to suppress noise (user connecst/disconnects)
[08:08:54] <mhaberler> were you able to fetch and convert the existing history?
[08:09:47] <mhaberler> re history: I' say the current month could be flat; therafter switch to year/month structure
[08:15:12] <psha> i thought about 'calendar' like page
[08:15:22] <psha> so it would be small enought but usable
[08:15:58] <mhaberler> I think the history is for browsing whole files
[08:16:18] <mhaberler> it's unclear to me if searches always should go through the whole history; I assume yes
[08:16:47] <mhaberler> I guess the calendar is overweight .. year/month gets you to a day in three clicks
[08:19:20] <psha> maybe, but too many clicks to get to next log file :)
[08:21:01] <psha> 'next' and 'previous' links in log files would be great too
[08:21:06] <mhaberler> I'd rather have that, plus a next day's log/previous day's log button; should be doable to compute filenames based on calender arithmetic+
[08:21:09] <mhaberler> yes
[08:22:16] <mhaberler> python datetime to the rescue
[08:24:12] <mhaberler> it's needed for preparing the history page as well because that wont be a dir index any more; rather a list of filenames for the current month, then the years
[08:26:06] <psha> wait a bit, i'll show you how i see it and you'll say that it's crap
[08:26:19] <mhaberler> ?
[08:26:46] <mhaberler> dont get it, but go ahead and share your dreams ;-)
[08:39:01] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc/index2.html
[08:40:09] <mhaberler> that's ok too
[08:40:40] <mhaberler> what would be the top level view below group name? just current month, calender view of year?
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[08:41:29] <mhaberler> all years as calendar is too much; more like current year and list of years
[08:43:16] <psha> sounds good
[08:43:35] <mhaberler> clicking year opens calendar view of that year
[08:44:10] <mhaberler> day gets next/prev day, and up-to-month buttons; maybe up-to-year-selection as well
[08:46:32] <mhaberler> dont forget the 'suppress noise' button (filter out lines having '-!-' I guess)
[08:46:55] <mhaberler> btw did you get a complete history converted?
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[08:57:35] <psha> yes
[08:57:40] <psha> it's there
[08:57:47] <psha> both in search and in browsable form
[08:58:15] <psha> mhaberler: suppress noise is only possible with JS
[08:58:28] <mhaberler> why?
[08:59:10] <mhaberler> 'it's there' : I see 2011 only?
[08:59:40] <psha> it's there ;)
[08:59:46] <psha> however not in index yet
[09:00:03] <mhaberler> a secret well kept
[09:01:07] <mhaberler> hm, interesting, looking at
http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc/2007-12-31.html - the username coloring seems to be broken
[09:03:46] <psha> sure
[09:04:24] <psha> it's not broken - conversion was done by hand-made python script parsing RDF's and producing both HTML and search input
[09:05:00] <mhaberler> that makes that a feature ;-)
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[09:10:14] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc/index-2007.html
[09:10:50] <mhaberler> yep!
[09:13:53] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc/2004-10-18.html#21:35:00
[09:13:54] <psha> :)
[09:14:45] <mhaberler> what should the last link tell me?
[09:19:07] <psha> oct-18 have to be celebrated ;)
[09:19:37] <mhaberler> your birthday?
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[09:20:00] <mhaberler> oh. da logger
[09:23:23] <psha> :)
[09:29:20] <psha> i've added calendar index generator
[09:29:26] <psha> in repo now
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[10:16:11] <mhaberler> ah, ok, will do
[10:16:40] <mhaberler> but you dont have it online, right?
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[10:34:13] <psha> mhaberler: what i don't have online?
[10:34:35] <mhaberler> index generator?
[10:35:46] <psha> it's not online - it's cron script
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[10:42:33] <mhaberler> duh. just saw it. sorry.
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[10:51:37] <mhaberler> can I pull the old converted logs from you somehow?
[10:52:38] <psha> yes
[10:54:24] <psha> archiving
[10:55:07] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/irc/emc.tgz
[10:55:09] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/irc/emc-devel.tgz
[10:55:32] <psha> html files for old logs (pre 2011)
[10:55:36] <mhaberler> super,thanks
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[11:15:31] <mhaberler> ok, got that and calender indices are generated
[11:15:52] <mhaberler> last piece missing: making it visible from
http://psha.org.ru/irc/
[11:20:58] <psha> fixed
[11:24:54] <alex_joni> psha: what sort order is on the searching?
[11:25:16] <alex_joni> http://psha.org.ru/irc/search/?q=foo&channel=&go=Go
[11:28:17] <psha> weight :)
[11:28:51] <alex_joni> any way to get to the other results?
[11:28:54] <psha> i guess number of words found and if it's phrase (not signle word) how close they are found
[11:29:15] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/irc/search/?q=foo&channel=&go=Go&start=20
[11:29:16] <psha> :)
[11:29:27] <alex_joni> aha ;)
[11:29:33] <psha> have to add links for that
[11:30:04] <psha> also there is date order available
[11:30:07] <psha> order=date
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[11:32:56] <psha> alex_joni: search is flattering - gives you first result to your message ;)
[11:33:08] <mhaberler> do I get this right - multple search keys are 'or' joined, not 'and'?
[11:33:15] <psha> yes
[11:33:22] <psha> hm, or no?
[11:33:58] <psha> i think they are 'ored' but weight is higher for pages where all words found
[11:35:21] <mhaberler> the piece I'm missing: how do I get to old logs by date from
http://psha.org.ru/irc/ WITHOUT search?
[11:36:03] <psha> refresh page
http://psha.org.ru/irc/
[11:36:25] <mhaberler> aja
[11:36:39] <mhaberler> can you push that change?
[11:36:59] <psha> it's hand-made page
[11:37:06] <mhaberler> igitt
[11:37:41] <psha> it uses template from search, not from logs :)
[11:43:53] <mhaberler> The requested URL /irc/search was not found on this server :-/
[11:44:04] <mhaberler> on my box, that is
[11:46:09] <psha> fix it with correct path
[11:46:21] <mhaberler> wasnt there some deamon needed for the search?
[11:46:33] <psha> something like /cgi-bin/search
[11:46:40] <psha> and place script there
[11:46:46] <psha> with minor modification
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[11:48:01] <mhaberler> that's search.py then
[11:48:46] <psha> pull
[11:48:53] <psha> and set CGI = True
[11:50:54] <mhaberler> in apache config, that is?
[11:52:47] <mhaberler> hm, meld3.. whatzat
[11:56:06] <mhaberler> got that
[11:56:17] <mhaberler> search.py needs to run as demon, right?
[12:06:14] <psha> no
[12:06:27] <psha> if you set CGI = True inside - it's plain cgi script
[12:06:38] <psha> pull last changes
[12:07:17] <psha> meld3 it's a template engine - hate to build html's by hand
[12:08:05] <mhaberler> CGI = True inside what: search.py?
[12:08:12] <mhaberler> that string doesnt appear there
[12:08:53] <psha> there is CGI = False
[12:08:53] <psha> :)
[12:09:03] <psha> but if you set it to true it becomes CGI script
[12:11:02] <psha> mhaberler: bb in a minute
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[14:18:50] <mhaberler> psha: baack
[14:19:47] <mhaberler> psha: :~/src/ircsearch$ grep CGI * */* - no match??
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[14:29:36] <psha> git pull
[14:30:04] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/cgit/psha/ircsearch.git/commit/?id=8e245f959ebf792e0642004ea8daca09d2085c9f
[14:30:35] <mhaberler> aha..
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[15:17:03] <cradek> mhaberler: did your work with oword-m6 uncover bugs in motion's digital/analog i/o?
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[15:31:37] <mhaberler> sort of, I am unsure - I guess you read my mail wrt M66 on -devel?
[15:31:57] <mhaberler> I'm collecting energy for a debugging session ;-)
[15:33:50] <mhaberler> re M66: my message from 2011-02-16 09:20:23 GMT plus followup
[15:34:32] <cradek> I only dimly remember you mentioning a problem, maybe it was on the list
[15:34:40] <cradek> sorry, I'm a flake lately
[15:35:05] <cradek> yes that's the one I remember
[15:35:34] <mhaberler> ok, the gist is - the no-wait behaviour depends on a previous m66, so some state seems to be erroneously carried over
[15:36:05] <cradek> is m66 the one that attaches it to a motion in the motion queue?
[15:36:13] <cradek> I thought some of these only worked with/between motions
[15:36:30] <cradek> never mind, I'll look at the docs
[15:36:46] <mhaberler> the timed-wait one does work without motion
[15:36:50] <mhaberler> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.devel/4095
[15:37:39] <cradek> of course - I'm thinking of outputs
[15:38:01] <mhaberler> these work fine without motion as far as I recall
[15:38:32] <mhaberler> I got the whole prepare/prepared, change7changed handshake to work just fine
[15:38:39] <cradek> 64/65 yes, 62/63 no, I think
[15:38:48] <cradek> yay, that's a big improvement right there
[15:39:17] <mhaberler> the branch I referred to does not trigger the m66 thing, that is later in my local branch which is too messy to push+
[15:39:31] <mhaberler> but the example in the mail is good enough
[15:40:37] <mhaberler> that is really a separate problem from judging the toolchange-osub-iov2 branch
[15:41:16] <cradek> true, but users of your new features will use these M codes heavily
[15:41:35] <cradek> I am positive your branch should be merged into master
[15:41:49] <cradek> I am not at all sure it should go in emc 2.5
[15:41:50] <mhaberler> I know, but fixing this is disjoint from that particular patch and I'm about to look into it
[15:42:09] <mhaberler> whoa! let me clean this mess up first...
[15:42:09] <cradek> io v2, yes why not, since it is a separate binary
[15:42:37] <cradek> but probably the big interp changes have not seen enough use to be in 2.5
[15:42:48] <cradek> how do you feel about these thoughts?
[15:43:26] <mhaberler> master is just fine; I commit to babysitting it
[15:43:57] <mhaberler> let me get rid of all these debug codes, and squash it decently
[15:44:16] <mhaberler> did you get it to work in sim mode?
[15:44:48] <cradek> here's how I see the near future: merge psha's doc changes, possibly merge your iov2 addition, branch 2.5, merge your O-m6 changes
[15:44:57] <cradek> yes, it worked for me in sim
[15:45:02] <mhaberler> super
[15:45:39] <cradek> can you separate iov2 with the fixed handshaking from O-t/m6?
[15:45:48] <mhaberler> great wrt to the doc changes; I will work on bona-fide gladevcp,iov2 and osub m6/tx when that's om
[15:46:05] <mhaberler> yes, I will separate; i needed to merge just to try it out myself
[15:46:17] <cradek> yes I think doc changes belong in 2.5
[15:46:31] <cradek> I think he is almost done...?
[15:46:51] <mhaberler> psha: ho-hum?
[15:48:16] <mhaberler> the thing I feel sorry about is - I messed up wrt whitespace changes in iocontrolv2.cc - it has a lot of code from iocontrol.cc but not patachable any more
[15:49:19] <cradek> that's slightly yucky, but I wonder how long we will keep the old iocontrol around
[15:49:49] <mhaberler> this is just a safety belt for me to reduce blame load ;-)
[15:53:13] <mhaberler> ok, I'll make that two branches with a compressed history comprehensible by mortals
[15:53:40] <psha> done
[15:53:50] <mhaberler> psha: what?
[15:54:00] <psha> but without jeff not able to finish build system
[15:54:03] <mhaberler> the life? 42? asciidoc?
[15:54:06] <psha> docs
[15:54:13] <mhaberler> yay
[16:04:21] <skunkworks> Cool - nice work everyone!
[16:05:26] <alex_joni> yup
[16:05:37] <mhaberler> I wish I could be so assertive ;-)
[16:05:41] <alex_joni> cradek: so after 2.5 branch, we should probably merge ja3 too
[16:05:50] <alex_joni> to master
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[16:06:23] <alex_joni> then we'll have about 20% of the current stuff rewritten/rechecked/rebugged :)
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[16:06:40] <alex_joni> bbl
[16:06:46] <mhaberler> bug compatibility countz
[16:07:38] <psha> wow
[16:07:55] <psha> so then gcode 9-axis limit will be more obvious?
[16:08:22] <psha> bb
[16:08:33] <mhaberler> help me across the street: what's the gist for ja3?
[16:11:09] <cradek> psha: jeff hasn't been around emc much lately - I don't think you can count on his help for finishing it
[16:17:24] <psha> cradek: yea, i've noticed
[16:17:36] <mhaberler> everything ok?
[16:17:56] <psha> but things left are integration in Submakefile with which i'm not confident
[16:18:33] <psha> i may hook it there and leave html generation with path equal to site docs for later time
[16:18:47] <psha> so at least it may be merged
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[18:18:06] <mhaberler> tom3p: you asked me some question and you were off before I could reply
[18:18:11] <mhaberler> resolved?
[18:29:24] <tom3p> mhaberler, dont remember, cant find it in archives, so, 'forget about it' & thx :)
[18:29:44] <mhaberler> ok
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[18:59:08] <skunkworks> is jeff just having emc burn-out? He should just suck it up! ;) Emc takes priority over life in general. Doesn't everyone know that?
[19:01:35] <skunkworks> some people dream in color - I dream in emc.
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[20:45:28] <alex_joni> hmm.. I think I don't want an USB connected thingie for emc2
[20:45:48] <alex_joni> USB is about to be replaced by Thunderbolt, soon there will be no laptops with USB anymore
[20:46:01] <alex_joni> (maybe I should post this to the list :D)
[20:48:05] <skunkworks> heh
[20:49:24] <alex_joni> maybe an Android app too?
[20:52:46] <skunkworks> that is already out there,,, ;)
[20:52:55] <alex_joni> eww
[20:53:08] <psha> alex_joni: soon > 5yrs :)
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[20:53:56] <alex_joni> psha: I bet by then you'd still find mobos with parports
[20:54:10] <alex_joni> the whole thing was a tad bit sarcastic
[20:54:42] <skunkworks> oh - it was iphone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVj8JvKpqW0
[20:57:22] <skunkworks> it sort of reminds me of the people that don't buy a computer because the second they do there will be a faster/cheaper one next week
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[23:00:12] <seb_kuzminsky> Thunderbolt is DisplayPort + PCI Express
[23:00:42] <seb_kuzminsky> I think PCIE stands a good chance of being the external interconnect of choice in the 2-5 year timeframe
[23:01:15] <seb_kuzminsky> you need a smart device on the other end of the cable, it's not usable as TTL the way the parport is
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[23:01:29] <seb_kuzminsky> but you sort of want a smart device out there anyway
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[23:02:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder if mesa could make a low-cost pcie device, something like "7i43 meets 3x20"
[23:03:17] <mhaberler> cradek: do you want one commit message per patch, or several smaller steps?
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[23:16:38] <seb_kuzminsky> mhaberler: each commit should make sense on its own, and make just one self-contained change
[23:16:53] <mhaberler> ok
[23:20:04] <mhaberler> do you mind if I make iov2 and toolchange-osub a single branch? the latter relies heavily on the former
[23:20:27] <mhaberler> very hard to make them sensible standalone branches
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[23:25:45] <alex_joni> mhaberler: why not
[23:26:09] <alex_joni> you can also make toolchange-osub branched off iov2
[23:26:33] <mhaberler> yeah, it just doent make much sense because toolchange-osub wont be a standalone branch, just a continuation
[23:26:42] <mhaberler> fair enough
[23:30:57] <seb_kuzminsky> mhaberler: when i have feature-1 based on master and feature-2 based on feature-1, i usually put both features in a single branch
[23:31:23] <seb_kuzminsky> use "rebase -i" to organize the commits so they make sense (ie so feature-1 comes before feature-2)
[23:31:28] <mhaberler> I guess that's what I'll do
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