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[00:30:35] <jepler> dgarr: stippler is 100% unmaintained .. are you doing a project with it?
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[00:31:55] <dgarr> i was thinking about it -- it seemed to build and work after that patch but I haven't explored it much yet, i always have to outputs to use cylindrical coordinates etc
[00:32:16] <dgarr> s/to/to modify/
[00:32:36] <jepler> if you ever do, I'd love to see a photo of the result..
[00:33:24] <dgarr> sure, will do -- problem is finding a good image to use
[00:34:21] <dgarr> can you explain why that patch was needed --eg did something major change with c++ or libs or something?
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[01:13:03] <jepler> hold on, I didn't actually look at the patch..
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[01:14:23] <jepler> c++ defines min and max in <algorithm>
[01:14:33] <jepler> I guess another header (pgm.h?) does too, and they don't get along..
[01:20:26] <jepler> http://pastebin.com/2x2xRD5C
[01:20:50] <jepler> yes, when you include things in that order, min ends up being a macro, so std::min(x,y) ends up expanding to a syntax error
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[01:30:28] <dgarr> so it was more an ordering thing than anything substanttive changing -- thanks for the explanation
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[07:20:45] <psha> logger_dev: .
[07:20:46] <logger_dev> I'm logging. I don't understand '.', psha. Try /msg logger_dev help
[07:20:50] <psha> oops
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[07:50:49] <psha> mhaberler: good morning )
[07:52:14] <mhaberler> hi psha!
[07:52:43] <mhaberler> I see great progress on documentation format - superb work!
[07:53:27] <mhaberler> (network-challenged today,btw - likely to suffer on mobile for a few days)
[07:55:00] <psha> thx, there are still some issues on Makefile front but i hope they will be solved this week
[07:57:09] <mhaberler> I have a little side project for 2011: this
http://mah.priv.at/stiwoll/pix/haupthaus.jpg will mutate into this:
[07:57:11] <mhaberler> http://mah.priv.at/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=87842
[07:58:48] <psha> wow :) i've to help wife's father to finish his country house :) but that's will be only in summer :)
[07:59:28] <mhaberler> 460 years of collected construction sins..
[08:00:04] <psha> :) plan looks great :)
[08:01:21] <psha> heh, at least you have plan _before_ building ;)
[08:01:23] <mhaberler> yeah, it's a whacky idea - actually designed as mountain cabins
[08:02:03] <psha> i'm struggling father-in-law about plans every time he want to build smth...
[08:02:39] <psha> since he first break everything and start building smt without any plan
[08:02:44] <psha> and then is stuck...
[08:03:03] <mhaberler> been there, done that, thanks - no ;-)
[08:04:18] <psha> their flat is on continous maintainance - since there is no plan there is no capital repair... so this or that room is repaired every 2 years
[08:04:30] <psha> at least last iteration was done with plan :)
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[08:06:11] <psha> btw i've found SweetHome3D very useful for small plans - that's surely not architectural bureau but better than sheet of paper ;)
[08:06:31] <psha> my previous attemtps were with hand-written SVG generator ;)
[08:07:22] <mhaberler> ah, "engineering approach"
[08:07:36] <psha> but even that helps a lot for planning - print ~5 copies of flat plan and draw on them until you'll come to something suitable
[08:10:24] <psha> mhaberler:
http://psha.org.ru/p/lena-sh3d.png
[08:11:43] <mhaberler> hm, not bad. But I've decided not to bite this learning curve.. I leave it to a pro
[08:13:24] <psha> yea ;) but for convincing 8-yrs old niece and her mother to redo room it's a bit overkill :)
[08:13:35] <mhaberler> I get the point
[08:13:43] <archivist> Im doing some building repair here too, working on garage door, front door being replaced today
[08:13:55] <psha> also i have bad experience with pro's ;)
[08:14:32] <archivist> some pros are just paid amateurs
[08:14:52] <psha> at least room layout designed by pro's was awful :) so now i've all electic sockets in incorrect places ;)
[08:15:32] <archivist> this house has stupidly few sockets, I run cables all over the place
[08:15:34] <psha> but truly speaking they were professional architectors, not living room designers ;)
[08:16:16] <psha> archivist: yea, few sockets is usual shortcoming... so in parents flat we've placed lot of them ;)
[08:16:20] <mhaberler> The tough part is finding a pro without hime doing the self-fulfilment exercise on the customer
[08:18:36] <mhaberler> btw photos I just took outside - we had freezing fog for a week and sun's coming up:
http://mah.priv.at/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=87842
[08:20:12] <psha> incorrect link )
[08:20:44] <mhaberler> duh:
http://mah.priv.at/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core:ShowItem&g2_itemId=87934
[08:22:06] <psha> perfect
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[11:30:10] <mhaberler> psha: any chance you can direct google bot to your irc logs, or make it directly searchable?
[11:30:12] <mhaberler> if you want we can duplicate the setup on my server for redundancy
[11:30:30] <psha> i've added sitemap so they are indexed
[11:30:32] <psha> but slowly :(
[11:30:46] <psha> you may grab .html files at 0:10 GMT
[11:31:03] <mhaberler> I'm talking string search like htdig or such
[11:31:20] <psha> i'll look into it
[11:31:30] <mhaberler> good
[11:32:27] <psha> what you recommend?
[11:32:29] <psha> htdig?
[11:45:05] <psha> mhaberler:
http://psha.org.ru/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=&restrict=&exclude=&method=and&format=builtin-long&sort=score&words=toolchanger
[11:47:21] <psha> htdig looks horrible...
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[11:50:44] <psha> lucene python bindings are based on java...
[11:55:18] <mhaberler> i have no f....g clue, htdig just came to my mind - lucene, isnt that animal food?
[11:55:20] <mhaberler> there should be a way to have a google search window restricting search to this site/dir, probably less massaging
[11:56:48] <psha> heh, main problem with google is outdated index...
[11:56:56] <psha> lucene really looks like food...
[11:57:01] * psha hates java programs
[11:57:31] <mhaberler> good coffee though
[11:59:26] <jthornton> mhaberler: I've seen that somewhere before a google search of your site only
[12:00:07] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/
[12:00:30] <mhaberler> *my* site? I took pains to keep the google bot out... there we go..
[12:00:50] <mhaberler> a, jt - wel we'll ask him once the sun comes up in the colonies
[12:01:10] <jthornton> ok, just reading back a bit
[12:01:19] <jthornton> how did you keep the google bot out?
[12:01:27] <mhaberler> robots.txt
[12:01:38] <psha> Deny: *
[12:02:14] <mhaberler> sil1:/var/www/mah.priv.at# cat robots.txt
[12:02:15] <mhaberler> # go away
[12:02:17] <mhaberler> User-agent: *
[12:02:18] <mhaberler> Disallow: /
[12:02:28] <psha> ops, Disallow
[12:02:47] <psha> i've just restricted it to public content :)
[12:03:03] <mhaberler> so it doesnt index your porn collection, hm?
[12:03:04] <psha> and non-public is restricted with chmod o-r,g-r :)
[12:03:33] <psha> but most powerful metod to restrict bots is not to publish anything ;)
[12:03:46] <mhaberler> ftp is our friend
[12:03:47] <jthornton> lol
[12:04:08] <jthornton> I need to set up a ftp
[12:04:20] <psha> mhaberler:
http://psha.org.ru/cgi-bin/omega/omega?P=toolchanger&DEFAULTOP=or&DB=default&FMT=query&xP=Ztest&xDB=default&xFILTERS=--O
[12:04:25] <mhaberler> jt: how did you do the google search window restricted to your site on gnipsel.com?
[12:04:31] <psha> that's one is much better
[12:04:58] <psha> however # marks in urls breaks everything :)
[12:05:06] <mhaberler> omega, hm, never heard of it
[12:05:23] <jthornton> view the source
http://gnipsel.com/
[12:05:28] <jthornton> it's not long
[12:05:52] <jthornton> I need to update it a bit I see lol
[12:06:16] <mhaberler> aja, cool
[12:07:15] <mhaberler> psha: now move you p0rn collection and cajole the google bot, and you're done
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[12:12:36] <jthornton> is there a simple way to set up a ftp on Ubuntu?
[12:13:00] <mhaberler> proftpd, but watch out, it had a history of holes
[12:13:23] <jthornton> holes?
[12:13:33] <mhaberler> security holes
[12:13:50] <jthornton> ouch
[12:14:28] <psha> vsftpd
[12:14:33] <psha> clean history
[12:14:36] <jthornton> is there something better without holes?
[12:14:39] <psha> and easy to configure
[12:15:06] * jthornton goes to look at vsftpd
[12:15:28] <psha> compared to proftpd as axe to multitool
[12:15:53] <psha> at first look uncomfortable but unbreakable and with some practice you may cut spoons with it ;)
[12:18:25] <jthornton> I got vsftpd installed via synaptic package manager now to find it :)
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[12:27:09] * jthornton finds a how2 for vsftpd :)
[12:28:16] <psha> basic configuration is done in /etc/vsftpd.conf with uncommenting needed lines :)
[12:30:05] <jthornton> found it thanks psha
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[15:43:52] <psha> mhaberler:
http://psha.org.ru/irc/search/?q=freezing+fog[3~
[15:43:55] <psha> mhaberler:
http://psha.org.ru/irc/search/?q=freezing+fog
[15:43:57] <psha> for example :)
[15:44:02] <psha> mhaberler:
http://psha.org.ru/irc/search/?q=toolchanger
[15:44:07] <psha> this is closer to you :)
[15:44:58] <mhaberler> very well!
[15:45:31] <psha> i'll hook indexer at night
[15:45:50] <mhaberler> excellent - what are you using? omega?
[15:47:14] <psha> xapian is great thing
[15:47:24] <mhaberler> any chance to anchor to the first match?
[15:48:20] <psha> hm, maybe :)
[15:51:18] <psha> but not easy...
[15:51:25] <psha> since queries may be complex :(
[15:51:50] <mhaberler> hey, this is an excellent start
[15:52:05] <psha> it's two ~30 sloc python scripts :)
[15:52:45] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/cgit/psha/ircsearch.git/tree/index.py
[15:52:47] <psha> indexer
[15:53:02] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/cgit/psha/ircsearch.git/tree/search.py
[15:53:04] <psha> search service
[15:53:10] <psha> hm, not 30 sloc last one
[15:53:30] <mhaberler> a whopping 70
[15:53:47] <psha> HTML backing ate lot :)
[15:54:27] <mhaberler> do you store logs in html or raw and encode on web hit?
[15:54:37] <psha> in raw html ;)
[15:54:49] <psha> and plainify them on indexing
[15:55:03] <mhaberler> what if you do it the other way round?
[15:55:10] <psha> worse
[15:55:30] <psha> convert html -> plain is done once on indexing
[15:55:37] <psha> convert plain -> html - on every click?
[15:55:47] <mhaberler> how lossless is this ;-?
[15:56:03] <psha> lossless
[15:56:21] <mhaberler> like no-loss lossless
[15:56:23] <psha> plain -> html only adds <a> and some extra stuff like # and nick colors
[15:56:58] <psha> so backward conversion is just a matter of stripping them )
[15:58:56] <mhaberler> well, when you're done I'll setup a second bot and indexer cloned from you
[16:00:34] <psha> you may do it right now - if i'll add something you'll just pull new changes
[16:00:44] <psha> but better wait at least 3-5 days
[16:00:51] <psha> so trivial bugs will go away
[16:00:57] <mhaberler> ok. I'm excellent at waiting ;-)
[16:01:58] <psha> i think it's possible to add date filtering too
[16:02:36] <psha> but i hate parsing html forms
[16:02:47] <mhaberler> does xapian parse dates and make them searchable or do you have to restrict by filename?
[16:03:42] <psha> i'm adding 'date' field
[16:03:50] <psha> look into index.py
[16:05:15] <mhaberler> aja
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[16:08:48] <psha> time for a short film for kid
[16:08:55] <mhaberler> cu!
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[16:59:27] <psha_> jepler: what do you think about separating fr translation to separate dir?
[17:00:44] <jepler> psha_: I don't care about how the source is arranged, but rearranging the html output will break old links so I'm reluctant to do that.
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[17:12:00] <psha_> i think only place where html layout makes sense is www.linuxcnc.org
[17:12:10] <psha_> local htmls are not installed so it's not important
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[17:13:00] <psha> and site docs may be built from any sources
[17:13:53] <mhaberler> any chance fixing this issue with Apache rewrite?
[17:15:45] <jepler> I'd rather fix the issue by never creating it
[17:16:46] <mhaberler> any other links than into linuxcnc.org likely affected?
[17:17:04] <mhaberler> hm, google cache
[17:17:19] <mhaberler> wayback machine
[17:21:40] <psha> mhaberler: links are there and have to be preserved
[17:22:33] <psha> jepler: with a2x you may give docdir argument so all paths will be relative to that dir
[17:22:51] <psha> maybe not exactly but something similar was there
[17:23:04] <psha> so for linuxcnc site just some special rules will suffice
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[18:18:43] <psha> mhaberler: i've added links
[18:21:36] <psha> small ads - i've set up search on IRC logs
[18:21:50] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/irc/
[18:22:20] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/irc/search/?q=toolchanger+iocontrol&channel=&go=Go
[18:22:22] <psha> example
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[18:36:38] <JT-Work> Sweet!
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[18:56:32] <JT-Work> psha: are your irc logs going to be on line all the time?
[18:57:12] <JT-Work> and should there be a link on the Community Page to your logs?
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[19:02:38] <SWPadnos> JT-Work, something like his logs will be available
[19:03:05] <JT-Work> on linuxcnc.org?
[19:03:15] <SWPadnos> I may set up a new host name (logs.linuxcnc.org) for logs, and reorganize the ones that are already there. I haven't talked to anyone about how or if that should be done, so you never know though :)
[19:03:17] <SWPadnos> yes
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[19:03:48] <SWPadnos> I have a new fast connection here, and soon will have a server that I leave up 24/7, with battery backup and all. I was thinking about putting the "official" loggers on there
[19:04:19] <JT-Work> ok
[19:04:48] <SWPadnos> I'm taveling in the next couple of weeks (go figure :) ), so it will be a little while before it all settles out
[19:05:39] <JT-Work> I hope your traveling in the south :)
[19:05:42] <SWPadnos> of course, that assumes that I can fly out tomorrow, through Chicago, as currently planned ...
[19:05:45] <SWPadnos> err, no
[19:05:55] <JT-Work> good luck with that then
[19:05:56] <SWPadnos> Vermont -> Chicago -> Brussels ;)
[19:06:14] <SWPadnos> we've got less than a foot here so far, so who knows
[19:06:52] <JT-Work> a pretty nasty one passed just to the north of us headed Chicago way
[19:06:58] <SWPadnos> oh yay
[19:07:19] <JT-Work> lot's of central Missouri is shut down from ice and snow
[19:07:20] <SWPadnos> I was surprised that Dallas (both DFW and Love field) were shut down a couple of days ago due to snow/ice
[19:07:30] <JT-Work> we just got rain here :)
[19:07:50] <JT-Work> it came from there first I think
[19:08:03] <SWPadnos> yeah
[19:08:07] <psha> JT-Work: sometimes my connection dies and i still don't have backup one
[19:08:20] <JT-Work> psha: ok
[19:08:22] <psha> SWPadnos: both logger bot and search are living in
http://psha.org.ru/git/
[19:08:28] <JT-Work> I like the search thing
[19:08:33] <SWPadnos> thanks. I'll take a look
[19:08:41] <psha> search is ircsearch.git
[19:08:51] <SWPadnos> I was surprised that the search results were in no particular order
[19:08:52] <psha> it's 2 small scripts (index and search) over python-xappy
[19:09:13] <psha> SWPadnos: they are ordered by weight, but it's possible to add date as weight too
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[19:09:25] <SWPadnos> yeah, I think date order may be more useful
[19:09:42] <SWPadnos> and/or add sort options :)
[19:10:03] <JT-Work> like ignore join/leave lines :)
[19:10:06] <psha> i've found xapian only 4 hours ago so there is many ways for improvements :)
[19:10:20] <SWPadnos> heh
[19:10:29] <SWPadnos> well, I'll leave it to you then :)
[19:11:04] <psha> i'll add date weight and it's possible to add date limits
[19:11:39] <psha> but xapian introduction is Huge ;)
[19:11:55] <psha> so i'll stop with some basic tuning ;)
[19:12:32] <SWPadnos> it's OK. I have plenty of time to wait for you to figure it out ;)
[19:12:40] <psha> :))
[19:12:43] <SWPadnos> I'll just move on to some other things in the meantime :)
[19:13:19] <psha> mhaberler volunteered to add log mirror so for first time it will be enought i guess
[19:18:38] <psha> bbl
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[19:40:06] <CIA-2> EMC: 03micges 07joints_axes3 * r4011e450979a 10/ (265 files in 67 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into joints_axes3
[19:40:24] <skunkworks> yay :)
[19:41:26] <micges> :)
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[21:50:41] <psha> mhaberler: clone fixed
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[21:50:50] <mhaberler> thanks
[21:51:24] <mhaberler> works.
[21:52:34] <psha> fox search you need python-xappy
[21:52:40] <psha> for
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[21:56:44] <psha> mhaberler: there is great channel #botwar
[21:56:48] <psha> for testing bots
[21:57:03] <psha> i've used it first
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[22:07:46] <mhaberler> whats your dir structure
[22:07:48] <mhaberler> logs/index etc
[22:07:49] <mhaberler> irc/ whats here?
[22:09:20] <mhaberler> any init.d file available 8start-stop-daemon or somesuch?)
[22:10:07] <psha> no, using runit (daemontools)
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[22:10:11] <psha> structure is simple
[22:10:22] <psha> irc is symlink to directory where logs are stored (under www root)
[22:10:31] <mhaberler> ok
[22:10:38] <psha> index.html is automaticaly appended
[22:10:54] <psha> new files of format YYYY-MM-DD.html are created when needed
[22:11:08] <psha> in root/#channel/ dirs
[22:11:26] <mhaberler> what's your runit incantation?
[22:12:12] <mhaberler> I saw that structure.. I just wanted to replicate your config so I dont have to think about adapting paths etc
[22:13:27] <psha> that's literaly mine files
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[22:13:55] <psha> data is stored in logs, `irc` is symlink from www root
[22:14:09] <psha> my first guess was incorrect ;)
[22:14:24] <psha> for indexer i has `irc` symlink too
[22:15:11] <mhaberler> i want to have logbot start automatically after a reboot - how do you tell runit? user?
[22:16:54] <psha> i've per-user 'sv' dirs
[22:17:33] <psha> i've added run script to repo
[22:17:37] <psha> update
[22:17:40] <mhaberler> thanks
[22:18:02] <psha> also i've modified irclib so it _dies_ when something is bad with connection
[22:18:12] <psha> and runit supervisor restarts service
[22:18:36] <mhaberler> I see
[22:18:38] <mhaberler> I'll have it run for a few days and see how things go
[22:18:47] <psha> sitemap generator and indexer are started from cron
[22:19:00] <mhaberler> ok
[22:19:03] <psha> $ crontab -l | grep irc
[22:19:03] <psha> 59 2 * * * /home/psha/bin/sitemap-irc
[22:19:03] <psha> 59 2 * * * /home/psha/bin/indexer-irc
[22:19:25] <psha> theese are simple shell scripts
[22:19:35] <psha> first updates sitemap via temp file
[22:19:42] <psha> second chdirs to search dir and runs ./index.py
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[22:22:18] <mhaberler> it assumes that logs is always under the currrent dir of logbot.py, right?
[22:24:54] <psha> yes
[22:25:07] <psha> but you place absolute path in it
[22:25:19] <psha> also it may be symlink :)
[22:25:28] <mhaberler> sure
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[22:29:01] <mhaberler> how you tickle runit .. I used to know but thats two years
[22:31:50] <psha> hm, apt-get install runit ;)
[22:32:00] <psha> then add /etc/sv/runsvdir-{username}
[22:32:18] <psha> $ cat /etc/sv/runsvdir-psha/run
[22:32:18] <psha> #!/bin/sh
[22:32:18] <psha> exec 2>&1
[22:32:18] <psha> exec chpst -upsha runsvdir /home/psha/sv
[22:32:30] <psha> that's all
[22:32:38] <psha> after it you may place user services in ~/sv
[22:40:34] <mhaberler> aha. we're talking...
http://emc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23botwar/
[22:40:55] <psha> working :)
[22:41:09] <psha> one thing i've found disturbing is # mark in dir name
[22:41:17] <psha> you have to escape it in urls
[22:41:27] <psha> that's why xapian-omega cgi search was not working
[22:47:16] <mhaberler> runit wins the unix arcana price hands down
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[22:49:48] <psha> logger[mah]: .
[22:49:48] <logger[mah]> psha: Log stored at
http://emc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23emc-devel/2011-02-02.html
[22:50:03] <psha> working
[22:50:04] <psha> good
[22:50:22] <psha> and now it's time for a sleep
[22:50:24] <psha> bb
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[22:50:29] <mhaberler> cu
[22:58:28] <mhaberler> logger[mah]: .
[22:58:28] <logger[mah]> mhaberler: Log stored at
http://emc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23emc-devel/2011-02-02.html
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