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[00:05:57] <skunkworks> cradek: for your viewing pleasure.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Droa4ESvuP8
[00:06:15] <skunkworks> seems like maybe .002ish on reversal..
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[00:33:34] <cradek> cool! thanks
[00:38:32] <cradek> also saw your video on the list - very cool that you have this machine working again.
[00:39:36] <skunkworks> just formed some aluminum.... ;) the hard drive crash lost the tool change position. smucked some aluminum before we hit the estop.
[00:39:46] <skunkworks> oopd
[00:39:48] <skunkworks> oops
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[02:04:32] <dgarr> for consideration: add to menus (tested master-rip, make install-menus): http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/latencyplot_to_menu.mbox
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[13:35:38] <jthornton> I get an error trying to run latencyplot after the last pull. Anybody else get that error "Error in startup script..."
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[14:56:58] <jepler> skunkworks: can you clarify the mesa 7i48 problem ? which bitfile, and which package version is good, and which is bad.
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[14:59:18] <skunkworks> let me see if I can explain. If I use the current installed firmware with the 7i48 - there are pins that are automatically created for muxed index. They cannot be used at gpio.
[15:00:18] <skunkworks> and they are way above the pins for the 7i48 - like pin 38 or such. (pins I was using for the tool changer)
[15:02:29] <skunkworks> let me upload the firmware that works
[15:02:55] <jepler> the bit file won't help me diagnose anything
[15:03:43] <jepler> the pin file might, as would the hostmot2-firmware package version that worked
[15:03:57] <jepler> e.g. bad is v0.8, good is v0.??
[15:04:21] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/testing/firmware/
[15:04:26] <skunkworks> oh
[15:09:10] <skunkworks> well - this might have to wait until next weekend then. I will see what I can do
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[15:09:59] <jepler> the xml file will tell me the same thing as the pin file
[15:11:15] <jepler> and that is basically that the old firmware was incorrectly describing the index mask pins in the idrom
[15:11:19] <jepler> http://pastebin.com/aJgsVpeu
[15:11:33] <jepler> do you know which version of hostmot2-firmware your "working" firmware came from?
[15:15:14] <skunkworks> http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emcdevel/2010-10-23.txt
[15:16:04] <skunkworks> jepler: that is what we did when it didn't work the first time
[15:16:11] <skunkworks> ^
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[15:21:05] <skunkworks> the firmware is what you sent me http://emergent.unpy.net/files/sandbox/5i20_SV12_2X7I48.zip
[15:21:47] <jepler> skunkworks: if I understand what I said there, I made a firmware that removed the index-mask functionality which would be what is stopping you using pins 48..59 as GPIO outputs
[15:21:50] <jepler> is this about pins 48..59?
[15:22:06] <skunkworks> yes
[15:22:34] <skunkworks> so - it is something that would only be useful for me?
[15:22:39] <jepler> welll
[15:24:31] <jepler> I'm confused at this point
[15:25:06] <jepler> the files in that zip have names like fw/5i20/SV12_2X7I48_72.BIT but on the web page you pointed me at the files have the IM in the name
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[15:25:34] <jepler> those pins *should* have the special index mask function in SV12IM, and the hostmot2 driver as it is will not let you use them as GPIOs
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[15:28:54] <jepler> hostmot2-firmware 0.8 should have 5i20/SV12_2X7I48_72.BIT which would be the version without index mask (which is what you want)
[15:29:21] <jepler> so try changing your hal file to load a different bitfile
[15:30:22] <skunkworks> ok
[15:32:54] <skunkworks> so - instead of SV12IM_2X7I48_72.BIT I should load?
[15:33:18] <skunkworks> SV12_2X7I48_72.BIT ?
[15:33:29] <jepler> that's what I think you should try
[15:34:12] <skunkworks> sounds good - I will have dad try today I hope
[15:34:29] <skunkworks> (fresh install of emc on a new hd so there are a few thing that need to be done.
[15:35:28] <jepler> I'm guessing that when you downloaded those firmwares, you just renamed them so you didn't have to change your hal files .. but who can be sure
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[15:36:48] <skunkworks> that is probably what happened then. <jepler> skunkKandT: yes and change the firmware name
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[15:41:49] <skunkworks> Thanks jepler
[15:42:47] <jepler> I hope that gets you working again
[15:42:47] <jepler> bbl
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[15:55:52] <jepler> Unless we're doing something radical like going full wiki with the documentation, I believe the documentation should stay in emc2.git.
[15:56:20] <jepler> I don't believe that the french docs should be removed from emc2.git just because they're outdated. they're better than nothing, both for current users and for the next translator, should a new french doc translator show up
[15:58:14] <jepler> moving the docs into a separate git tree would double the work for the release manager to have to build emc2 from one source tree and docs from another source tree
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[16:00:39] <skunkworks> jepler: that worked!
[16:00:46] <skunkworks> we have a running machine agian
[16:01:06] <Jymmm> Is somethng wrong with the French localiation that someone wants to tamper with it?
[16:01:18] <Jymmm> Is it causing issues with something else?
[16:01:20] <jepler> Jymmm: this is the french *documentation*
[16:01:39] <Jymmm> Yeah, why would someone want to remve it?
[16:01:41] <jepler> Jymmm: the french documentation has not been updated to talk about changes and added features in some time (I think somebody said 2 years)
[16:02:57] <Jymmm> I wouldn't remove it, but if that outedated maybe add a one-liner to them saying it's really out of date due to no translater ebing available.
[16:03:49] <jepler> if only anyone knew how to say that in french :-/
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[16:10:59] <Jymmm> http://codepad.org/DkdBdKma
[16:13:10] <Jymmm> jepler: hows that?
[16:15:51] <Jymmm> It has umpa lumpas and everything!
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[16:30:13] <psha> jepler: JT was complaining, as i remember he mentioned 18 months
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[16:50:05] <JT-Shop> I asked on the forum if anyone could translate the out of date message to french
[16:50:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://codepad.org/DkdBdKma
[16:50:45] <JT-Shop> psha: not complaining as much as concerned that someone would try and run EMC using out of date info...
[16:51:16] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: thanks
[16:51:26] <psha> JT-Shop: heh, my english is not good enought to feel difference ;)
[16:52:51] <psha> jepler: i've played a bit with ikiwiki (http://ikiwiki.info) and it seem possible to have same docs in wiki and in git
[16:53:13] <JT-Shop> the closest I got to speaking Russian was to trade coins with a nice Russian fellow on a flight from Paris to Angola... neither one of us could communicate except with hand signs
[16:53:52] <Jymmm> psha: Can it pull from git directly and do a direct conversion on the fly?
[16:54:05] <psha> Jymmm: no
[16:54:11] <psha> conversion is _always_ buggy
[16:54:13] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/git/psha/wiki.git
[16:54:21] <psha> it's a repo with copy of converted docs
[16:54:33] <psha> as you may see there are both web edits and git commits
[16:54:34] <Jymmm> then I'd leave it under version control.
[16:54:52] <psha> Jymmm: wiki may use git as it's storage backend
[16:55:01] <psha> there are tons of such wiki's
[16:55:14] <psha> also i've written one couple of years ago ;)
[16:55:21] <Jymmm> wikis are crap, just a bunch of glorified electronic post-it notes
[16:55:34] <psha> wiki is a way, not content
[16:55:44] <Jymmm> wiki is shit
[16:55:45] <psha> how you use it - that's a question
[16:56:31] <psha> 'every time you write to wiki... god kills a kitten?
[16:56:50] <Jymmm> No, that might be a good thing.
[16:58:13] <Jymmm> You have no flow in a wiki, most have a very poor search, no way to go back or up a page/section, no index, no 'real' TOC, no way to get into PDF or other downloadable format
[16:59:17] <psha> heh, again you mess 'way' and 'content'
[16:59:30] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/wiki/docs/gui/touchy.html
[16:59:41] <psha> here is wiki
[17:00:22] <Jymmm> and it's useless to me.
[17:00:30] <Jymmm> it's a single page.
[17:00:38] <Jymmm> aka post-it note.
[17:01:04] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/touchy.html
[17:01:13] <psha> it's _same_ source just compiled to proper html for docs
[17:01:23] <psha> i've tried to build pdf but there is not dblatex on that host
[17:02:18] <Jymmm> You've added anchors, big deal, I have a scroll wheel. But what if I want to see OTHER interfaces besides touchy?
[17:02:33] <Jymmm> I'd want to go UP a level
[17:02:43] <psha> go up
[17:02:54] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/wiki/docs/gui/
[17:02:58] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/wiki/docs/
[17:03:26] <Jymmm> AH HA.... see the uri doens't show that, nor are there any navigation on that page to do so.
[17:03:56] <psha> that's not 'final' version - that's just demonstration of what may be done
[17:04:24] <psha> wiki engine may be different, doc format may be different
[17:04:31] <psha> rst, markdown, etc...
[17:05:41] <psha> hm
[17:05:42] <psha> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gui_touchy.html
[17:05:55] <psha> navigaion is limited to three arrows in right up corner?
[17:08:35] <Jymmm> Those three little arrows (with popup) make a huge difference.
[17:11:00] <psha> heh, as i already mentioned that's demonstration
[17:11:36] <psha> you also may found that tables are broken and parts of text are shown as 'code blocks'
[17:11:41] <psha> but that does not matters
[17:11:56] <psha> since there is high probability that this work will be trashed
[17:12:22] <psha> so i've just done basic conversion/setup to give others ability to look at what i've found
[17:13:46] <psha> bbl
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[17:45:29] <mhaberler> psha: hi - back intact in coding mode ;-)
[17:53:29] <skunkworks> mhaberler: I have not tested 2.0 - soon!
[17:54:05] <mhaberler> ok, standing by ready to emergency-patch ;-)
[17:55:28] <skunkworks> mhaberler: as is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39q6kvrSBSk
[17:55:55] <mhaberler> I think it should be done this week. I just need to add setting #5xxx parameters in the interpreter, the rest is done
[17:56:14] <mhaberler> yeah, I saw that - cool iron
[17:56:45] <mhaberler> made me understand random toolchanging, thanks!
[17:56:46] <skunkworks> are there any provisoins for read ahead tool prep?
[17:57:43] <mhaberler> I will add a new pin to enable the toolchange go-ahead because if I change the semantics for tool-prepared that will confuse many people and possibly break something
[17:58:31] <mhaberler> I guess tool-prepared should stay where it is - an ack to mean 'tc to emc: got the next pocket number, but no, not done yet'
[18:02:21] <cradek> I don't see why that's a useful handshake to have
[18:03:14] <cradek> seems like 'prep is all done' and 'prep errored' are the two useful handshakes
[18:03:36] <cradek> 'prep is all done' is supposed to be the current handshake
[18:06:43] <mhaberler> well, the way I did it now is: the tc can asynchronously notify emc of a fault condition including code
[18:06:45] <mhaberler> this will abort the next M6
[18:07:03] <mhaberler> but it's not part of the prep/change handshake per se
[18:12:10] <mhaberler> cradek: would that make sense for you?
[18:12:53] <cradek> what do you mean by including code?
[18:14:29] <cradek> I agree that a failed prep should cause an abort at the next m6
[18:16:14] <mhaberler> code means 'a S32 hal pin'; to convey a cause to emc which might be used in the UI
[18:16:16] <mhaberler> and, negative codes will cause an abort, positive codes will just set a #5xxx parameter similar like g38.4/5 because that will be needed once this is callable from a future o-word M6
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[18:26:33] <psha> mhaberler: hi
[18:26:43] <mhaberler> hi! how are things?
[18:27:04] <psha> badly ;) i've rested a bit to clear my view on the problem and was working on docs
[18:28:08] <mhaberler> docs! it must have been *very* bad
[18:28:26] <mhaberler> no, I think asciidoc is a good idea
[18:28:44] <psha> Jymmm shamed me :(
[18:28:52] <psha> JT shamed me :(
[18:28:57] <mhaberler> why?
[18:29:02] * psha loudly complains
[18:29:07] <psha> i'm useless
[18:29:09] * psha cries
[18:29:10] <psha> :D
[18:29:13] <psha> bbl
[18:29:17] <psha> gona wash kid
[18:29:23] <mhaberler> ok, have a joint, too
[18:29:32] * Jymmm kicks psha in his wiki!
[18:30:06] <mhaberler> hm, what have I been missing..
[18:30:39] <Jymmm> mhaberler: My dislike of wikis being used as "documentation".
[18:30:51] <Jymmm> s/dislike/digust/
[18:31:30] <mhaberler> I dont understand.. asciidoc can generate html, pdf.. where's the issue?
[18:32:10] <Jymmm> scroll back for the discussion
[18:32:25] <mhaberler> which day?
[18:32:38] <Jymmm> within hours of now
[18:32:46] <mhaberler> thanks
[18:40:22] <mhaberler> Jymmm: I've read the discussion. I understand you dislike wikis.
[18:40:24] <mhaberler> I cannot follow what that has to do with switching the document format to a more vcs-friendly format.
[18:42:11] <mhaberler> I understand that, and the versioning issues with lyx were the starting point of the discussion.
[18:42:13] <mhaberler> If we can find a good online browsing mechanism, where exactly is your issue then?
[18:47:30] <Jymmm> The conversation was nothing to do with converting to another format.
[18:52:27] <mhaberler> but with a vcs-friendly format which will imply conversion
[18:52:58] <mhaberler> what#s your idea - stay with lyx?
[19:00:29] <JT-Shop> psha: don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain it is only Jymmm
[19:01:02] * JT-Shop wanders in for a lie down
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[19:19:13] <psha> Jymmm: i really don't see dowsides of having extra method of input - consider term 'wiki' as 'web input'
[19:19:38] <psha> and all candidates will go via long route of getting confirmation from you :-P
[19:19:46] <psha> on each edit ;)
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[19:23:45] <micges> JT-Shop: here latencyplot also didn't work
[19:30:47] <dgarr> micges: did you do a make after pull?
[19:30:57] <micges> yes
[19:31:29] <dgarr> can you post output from shell somewhere?
[19:31:54] <micges> hold on, I'll make clean; make
[19:32:21] <dgarr> i mean output from $ ./scripts/latencyplot
[19:33:01] <micges> I understand
[19:35:02] <micges> no difference
[19:35:04] <micges> http://pastebin.com/t5T6F8Tv
[19:35:39] <dgarr> what does "$ which realtime" say?
[19:36:13] <micges> in terminal ?
[19:36:15] <dgarr> yes
[19:36:18] <micges> nothing
[19:36:37] <dgarr> you must set emc-environment
[19:37:23] <micges> now I got this: http://pastebin.com/5r9Xv9Uc
[19:37:44] <dgarr> what version tcl?
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[19:40:04] <micges> hold on
[19:40:38] <micges> ok I've got it
[19:40:54] <micges> I had tcl 8.4 and 8.5
[19:41:06] <micges> dgarr: thanks
[19:41:14] <dgarr> so its working now?
[19:41:15] <micges> now it works fine
[19:41:39] <dgarr> ok -- i didnt know milliseconds was 8.5,
[19:41:59] <micges> it works with 8.5 now
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[19:42:12] <micges> tcl 8.4 was needed for gitk to work
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[19:42:17] <dgarr> micges: there is a new patch too if you want to try: http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/latencyplot_to_menu.mbox
[19:42:31] <dgarr> i'll have to add some checks for tcl version
[19:43:23] <micges> probably
[19:44:05] <micges> how to apply mbox to git ?
[19:44:18] <psha> git am
[19:44:22] <micges> ok
[19:46:43] <micges> it works now also
[19:46:53] <micges> what does it do
[19:46:53] <micges> ?
[19:46:58] <dgarr> git apply x.mbox
[19:47:54] <micges> yes
[19:48:20] <micges> I see no diffenrece on preview before and now after your patch
[19:49:47] <dgarr> differences in display may be small, should be able to make install-menus and get it in menu with patch
[19:49:56] <dgarr> patch updated to require Tk 8.5: http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/latencyplot_to_menuV2.mbox
[19:51:10] <dgarr> in a few minutes
[19:52:59] <dgarr> ok, updated
[19:53:18] <dgarr> micges: please let me know if you test menu
[19:57:50] <micges> V2 didn't install shortcut to latencyplot
[20:02:32] <dgarr> what do you mean by shortcut? do get menu you probably have to restart X
[20:04:08] <micges> oh
[20:04:35] <micges> so later I'll tell you ;)
[20:04:41] <dgarr> ok -- thanks
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[22:11:49] <mhaberler> skunkworks: iocontrol-v2 is good for a test drive including the m6 soft fail (similar to g38.3). The wiki page is up-to-date as per http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb/emc2-dev.git branch iocontrol-v2-candidate.
[22:11:51] <mhaberler> Let me know if you need help.
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[22:51:02] <cradek> jepler: I've got an error after the firmware upgrades too
[22:51:05] <cradek> touchy.hal:34: parameter or pin 'hm2_5i20.0.gpio.034.is_output' not found
[22:51:40] <cradek> [ 2757.045187] hm2/hm2_5i20.0: IO Pin 034 (P3-21): Muxed Encoder Select #3, pin Mux Select 0 (Output)
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[22:55:39] <cradek> perviously, it said
[22:55:40] <cradek> syslog.1:Jan 16 16:05:05 jr kernel: [ 23.324009] hm2/hm2_5i20.0: IO Pin 034 (P3-21): IOPort
[22:56:03] <cradek> loadrt line is
[22:56:10] <cradek> loadrt hm2_pci config="firmware=hm2/5i20/SV12IM_2X7I48_72.BIT num_encoders=6 num_pwmgens=6 num_stepgens=0 enable_raw,firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST8_4.BIT num_encoders=4 num_pwmgens=4 num_stepgens=0 enable_raw"
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[23:00:31] <cradek> ouch - downgrading hostmot2-firmware-5i20 from 0.8 to 0.7.1 does not fix it
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[23:12:29] <cradek> jepler: same fix worked for me. the old *IM* must not have really had IM?
[23:22:05] <tom3p> imagemajik gcode toolart
[23:22:10] <tom3p> ?
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