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[02:07:38] <garage_seb> anyone mind if i add some pins to the abs component, .is-positive and .is-negative?
[02:08:13] <garage_seb> the current .sign pin is like .is-negative, but more ambiguously named
[02:09:52] <andypugh> the .sign pin would be more useful as -1 or +1 rather than 0 or 1.
[02:10:09] <andypugh> But I guess changing it would break existing configs.
[02:10:21] <andypugh> Adding new pins shouldn't break anything.
[02:10:49] <garage_seb> i'm unsure if it makes it too cluttered
[02:11:06] <garage_seb> you can compute both values with some conglomeration of existing hal components
[02:11:29] <andypugh> wcomp does it in one I think?
[02:11:39] <andypugh> Hmm, maybe not.
[02:13:26] <CIA-53> EMC: 03seb 07master * rafaa72b23efd 10/src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc: teach halui to update the jog speed on continuous jogs
[02:14:47] <CIA-53> EMC: 03seb 07master * rfd96716d13ea 10/src/hal/components/abs.comp: add abs.is-positive and .is-negative
[02:14:51] <CIA-53> EMC: 03seb 07master * r776529f6b153 10/ (docs/man/man9/.gitignore src/hal/components/abs_s32.comp): new comp to compute abs of s32 data
[02:14:51] <CIA-53> EMC: 03seb 07master * r00ce8cb1080a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): rename shuttlexpress.count to .counts
[02:14:54] <CIA-53> EMC: 03seb 07master * r639583dae662 10/src/hal/user_comps/shuttlexpress.c: replace .rotation pin with .spring-wheel-f & -s32
[02:15:06] <CIA-53> EMC: 03seb 07master * rb52f54ab7d98 10/docs/man/man1/shuttlexpress.1: document the shuttlexpress pins in the manpage
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[04:04:05] <cradek> garage_seb: good changes to halui - that'll be nice.
[04:04:22] <cradek> I hope to try touchy's new feature on the real machine tomorrow
[04:05:27] <cradek> garage_seb: could you have three of those shuttle deals on one machine?
[04:05:51] <garage_seb> cradek, sure
[04:06:07] <garage_seb> one per usb port i guess
[04:06:40] <cradek> that might be a nice setup (I assume they're cheaper than jog wheels)
[04:07:38] <cradek> $35 - barely
[04:07:43] <garage_seb> they're not terribly nice jog wheels
[04:07:56] <garage_seb> 10 counts/rev, and the detents feel sort of mushy
[04:08:17] <cradek> quite coolant-vulnerable too, I'd bet
[04:08:26] <garage_seb> not as nice as the 1980's era wheel we salvaged from the boss8
[04:08:33] <garage_seb> yeah i bet it would go pop pretty quick
[04:08:39] <cradek> heh, that's the crappiest jogwheel ever
[04:08:56] <garage_seb> second crappiest
[04:09:08] <cradek> point taken :-)
[04:09:23] <garage_seb> i wonder if i broke halui just now
[04:09:32] * garage_seb pulls an old version out of git
[04:09:34] <cradek> it's C, so probably
[04:11:16] <cradek> the construct *(&a) is pretty fascinating
[04:12:08] <garage_seb> *(&(*(&a)))
[04:12:30] <cradek> I don't see anything you obviously broke
[04:12:35] <cradek> does it not work?
[04:14:17] <garage_seb> i dont see anything wrong there either, maybe i broke something in my hal file
[04:15:04] <garage_seb> i'm setting halui.jog.N.plus to true, then setting axis.N.jog-enable to true and changing axis.N.jog-counts
[04:15:33] <garage_seb> maybe setting halui.jog.N.plus truewhile halui.jog-speed is 0 is somehow conflicting with the axis incremental jog
[04:15:44] <cradek> you can't continuous jog and wheel jog at the same time
[04:16:17] <cradek> I think you should even get errors onscreen if you try that
[04:16:53] <garage_seb> not getting any errors on screen
[04:17:01] <garage_seb> let me pull some hal wires and see what gives
[04:17:38] <cradek> I'm wrong - it just ignores the wheel if there's a continuous jog going
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[04:17:47] <cradek> it's a feature
[04:17:55] <jepler> - bit = *(halui_data->jog_plus[joint]);
[04:17:55] <jepler> + bit = *(&new_halui_data.jog_plus[joint]);
[04:18:08] <jepler> apparently those all happened through a search-and-replace that I did
[04:18:58] <cradek> garage_seb: maybe I'm not clear on what you are trying to test
[04:20:07] <garage_seb> i'm hooking up the jogwheel to axis.N.jog-counts and the springy-wheel to halui.jog-speed, and I'm hooking up the momentary pushbuttons to axis.N.jog-enable and halui.jog.N.{plus,minus}
[04:20:11] <garage_seb> and i'm getting no joy
[04:20:26] <garage_seb> but it's just me being stupid somewhere, you dont need to debug it for me ;-)
[04:21:12] <garage_seb> oh
[04:21:14] <cradek> axis.N.jog-enable makes that axis move according to axis.N.jog-counts
[04:21:33] <cradek> that's separate from any continuous jog
[04:21:54] <garage_seb> i was always setting either halui.jog.N.plus or .minus to true, so it never truly let go of the continuous jog stuff in nml
[04:22:27] <garage_seb> hm
[04:23:00] <garage_seb> now i wish i'd made the new abs.is-positive/.is-negative pins both go false when the input is 0
[04:23:45] <jepler> hah
[04:23:52] <jepler> still time to fix it
[04:24:09] <garage_seb> ok i'll fix it before anyone notices
[04:24:56] <jepler> anyone think I shouldn't commit the search-and-replace fit to the *&s in halui?
[04:24:59] <jepler> - bit = *(&new_halui_data.jog_plus[joint]);
[04:25:02] <jepler> + bit = new_halui_data.jog_plus[joint];
[04:25:29] <cradek> I don't think you shouldn't not commit that
[04:25:40] <jepler> that's exactly the kind of thing I like to hear from the release manager
[04:26:01] <cradek> I mean, yeah, do
[04:26:05] <cradek> seb'll test it :-)
[04:26:21] <jepler> thanks seb
[04:27:02] <garage_seb> sure, email me the patch or something and i'll take it for a spin
[04:27:22] <garage_seb> i mean, i'm already here freezing my ass off out in the garage
[04:27:36] <cradek> man, you need some heat out there.
[04:27:40] <garage_seb> from the correct angle i can actually see stars through a gap in the garage door
[04:27:50] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/files/sandbox/0001-halui-get-rid-of-foo.patch
[04:27:52] <cradek> yikes
[04:28:16] <garage_seb> jepler, i'll check it out
[04:28:47] <jepler> looks like sim build is broken
[04:28:48] <jepler> hal/components/abs_s32.comp: In function ‘_’:
[04:28:48] <jepler> hal/components/abs_s32.comp:28: error: ‘s32’ undeclared (first use in this function)
[04:29:01] <jepler> somebody should do something about that :(
[04:30:10] <jepler> (I will)
[04:30:15] <garage_seb> sry
[04:30:25] <garage_seb> i've been building realtime all day
[04:30:37] <garage_seb> and the buildbot is *still* down :-(
[04:30:42] <garage_seb> somebody fire that guy
[04:30:50] <jepler> I wasn't going to say it
[04:30:53] <cradek> what's the fix?
[04:31:34] <jepler> cradek: __s32
[04:32:45] <cradek> To ssh://cradek@git.linuxcnc.org/git/emc2.git
[04:32:45] <cradek> ! [remote rejected] master -> master (failed to lock)
[04:32:46] <CIA-53> EMC: 03cradek 07master * r17ee4f3ded4a 10/src/hal/components/abs_s32.comp: fix build on sim
[04:32:46] <CIA-53> EMC: 03seb 07master * r0f62e7a17b6c 10/src/hal/components/ (abs.comp abs_s32.comp): make abs .is-{positive,negative} pins both be 0 when .in is 0
[04:32:54] <cradek> interesting -- I have not seen that one before
[04:33:38] <garage_seb> we both pushed at the same time
[04:33:48] <garage_seb> guess i won
[04:33:53] <jepler> somebody should look into why we can't use use int32_t everywhere
[04:34:07] <jepler> I have a memory that some old rtai didn't have it
[04:34:24] <jepler> of course, nothing will stop people from writing s32 when they build realtime only
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[04:34:54] <jepler> of course, we could typedef that in hal.h for sim as well
[04:35:02] * jepler doesn't fix it in part because he's unsure of the right fix
[04:35:10] <CIA-53> EMC: 03cradek 07master * r6cd5421fc851 10/src/hal/components/abs_s32.comp: fix build on sim
[04:35:21] <jepler> the temptation to write "s32" is clearly fairly strong, as everyone does it from time to time
[04:35:42] <cradek> it would be nice if the same wrong thing would fail in both rt and sim
[04:35:52] <cradek> but meh
[04:36:00] <jepler> well, fnorb tmp = in; does fail on both
[04:36:04] <jepler> is that the same thing?
[04:36:24] <cradek> that's not really what I meant
[04:36:47] <cradek> huh, got an email with my failed commit
[04:36:52] <jepler> yeah and cia found out about it
[04:36:58] <cradek> someone oughta fix that too
[04:37:16] <jepler> too tired
[04:37:46] <garage_seb> jepler, the halui patched and compiled and seems to be running fine here
[04:39:36] <CIA-53> EMC: 03jepler 07master * r1a60f8a44ccc 10/src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc: halui: get rid of *(&foo)
[04:42:08] <jepler> 'night all
[04:42:11] <jepler> garage_seb: good to see you around
[04:42:14] <cradek> g'night
[04:42:30] <garage_seb> seeya jeff
[04:56:26] <garage_seb> hm, i want a mux comp, but with a selector input like select8
[04:56:49] <cradek> just use ladder already, for pete's sake
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[05:32:55] <garage_seb> cradek: where should i put shuttlexpress.hal? in configs/common?
[05:42:42] <CIA-53> EMC: 03seb 07master * rcaa396f60c45 10/configs/common/shuttlexpress.hal: hal file showing one way to use the ShuttleXpress
[05:51:59] <garage_seb> good night
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[16:35:13] <JT-Shop> psha: I'm back from town and I'll be out here in the shop of and on for most of the day if you want to continue the discussion on translations
[16:41:36] <JT-Shop> looks like the last french update was about 18 months ago, putting them terribly out of date
[16:42:10] <Jymmm> I thought the French were ALWAYS out of date
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[17:19:54] <psha> JT-Shop: i'm back too
[17:20:07] <psha> Jymmm: translations are always out of date
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[17:31:42] <JT-Shop> so translations of documents should not be part of the normal EMC git repository IMHO
[17:32:22] <JT-Shop> if just changing the text to a different language then copying the html files and translating them seems to be the best route for a translator
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[17:53:22] <Jymmm> psha: Who said anything about translations?
[17:55:03] <Jymmm> WooHoo! They are opening a HF in Santa Clara!
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[18:04:23] <psha> Jymmm: French is not translation? :)
[18:05:00] <Jymmm> psha: No, *THE* French are not up to date =)
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[18:06:51] <psha> ;)
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[20:11:13] <seb_kuzminsky> emc2-buildmaster: hi! long time no see!
[20:12:04] <psha> seb_kuzminsky: congrats!
[20:12:22] <seb_kuzminsky> heh, false alarm, it's a ways off yet :-(
[20:12:51] <seb_kuzminsky> i have to rototill the network a bit more and virtualize the buildmaster machine
[20:17:51] <psha> but at least it's coming back!
[20:18:10] <psha> JT-Shop: i'll play with docs a bit more tomorrow
[20:18:38] <psha> but i think it's possible to set up wiki with posibility to submit via git too
[20:18:42] <psha> in external repo surely
[20:19:13] <psha> but still i believe that common format in main docs and translation would be nice
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[20:25:10] <skunkworks> cradek: the plate deflects about .007 but stay that until the tap is fully retracted. (probably the pressure it take the dull tap to start...)
[20:27:09] <skunkworks> so.. I see in the update manager there is a bunch of mesa firmware updates... I got a update from you guys a month ago to fix the index pins that showed up.. I assume this is probably what I have and the update will work? :)
[20:36:54] <cradek> the deflection is the same when going forward as backward?
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[20:44:16] <skunkworks> yes - it goes up to about .007 and stays there until the tap is back out of the material
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[20:50:24] <cradek> so throughout the reversal it doesn't change at all? that's excellent.
[20:50:33] <skunkworks> cradek: we can push the plate with our hand and get it to deflect about that much.. so it cannot be too much pressyre
[20:50:45] <cradek> that sounds perfect
[20:51:06] <cradek> I bet if the plate was stiffer, the tap would start cutting sooner and that would be just fine too
[20:51:46] <skunkworks> I have a video.. but I am uploading a full program run with the ladder changes so it will get the tool while executing gcode.
[20:51:53] <cradek> sweet
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[20:52:42] <skunkworks> slow internet here.
[20:52:42] <skunkworks> :)
[20:53:23] <skunkworks> (just have to call the next tool after the last tool change.
[20:53:33] <skunkworks> ) seems to work great
[20:53:54] <cradek> someone oughta fix iocontrol...
[20:54:24] <skunkworks> oh no - dad is putting access covers back on... Doesn't that cause things to stop working? ;)
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[20:54:38] <cradek> yes - be careful
[20:54:45] <cradek> I took one back off of jr, to be safe
[20:54:48] <JT-Shop> ok, I'll fix it... where is it?
[20:55:00] <cradek> src/emc/iotask
[20:55:14] <skunkworks> heh
[20:55:39] <skunkworks> mmumbler has been working on it...
[20:55:50] <cradek> too bad it makes me cry to look at it - I can't see the screen
[20:55:56] <skunkworks> (don't remember his exact name)
[20:56:03] <cradek> michael h
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[20:56:30] <cradek> I think he rewrote the whole thing :-)
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[20:56:59] <skunkworks> think he called it iocontrolv2.0
[21:00:01] <JT-Shop> let me get some shingles up and I'll look at it :)
[21:00:51] <cradek> dude, it's way too cold to put up shingles
[21:00:55] <cradek> wayyyy
[21:01:07] <cradek> they'll come off the first time the wind blows
[21:01:32] <JT-Shop> it's 50F here and there ain't no roof yet!
[21:01:42] * JT-Shop gets out the nail gun
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[21:08:01] <skunkworks> I was thinking about that.. I bet there are machines that would not want to prefetch the tool... I cannot think of any yet.. but. maybe rack changer?
[21:08:08] <cradek> yuck, it's a mess. I have no idea how to fix it.
[21:08:11] <skunkworks> (read ahead)
[21:08:19] <cradek> in that case you'd loopback the prep and do nothing
[21:08:28] <cradek> because they can't prep
[21:08:33] <cradek> an umbrella changer is the same way
[21:08:57] <skunkworks> ah - I suppose
[21:09:45] <cradek> have you tried michael's iocontrol2?
[21:10:24] <skunkworks> no - not yet. It looks promising
[21:10:36] <psha> JT-Shop: before going to bed - here is link to all converted poorly docs (without any manual edits)
http://psha.org.ru/wiki/docs/gui/touchy.html
[21:11:19] <cradek> you fixed images?
[21:14:37] <psha> cradek: yes, i've written small script to fix them all
[21:14:46] <cradek> cool
[21:14:58] <psha> lyx drop extension - i try different ones and check if there is such image ;)
[21:15:01] <cradek> I think a good import/conversion is the biggest hurdle to switching
[21:15:07] <cradek> haha
[21:15:41] <psha> i'm looking on toolchains first
[21:15:54] <psha> maybe asciidoc is not best one - maybe rst is better...
[21:16:46] <psha> so conversion is poor enought
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[21:17:11] <psha> if and when target format will be choosen - then conversion has to be done properly
[21:17:53] <psha> at least no as i understand JT's point he's not yet decided if switch is needed or not
[21:18:00] <psha> s/no/now
[21:19:19] <cradek> I currently cannot edit docs except on one machine in my shop - change would fix that
[21:22:42] <psha> btw is it ok to move translations out of tree?
[21:23:04] <psha> question is pretty theoretical since there is only one outdated translation
[21:24:58] <JT-Shop> I can only edit docs on a computer that I installed a virtualbox with 8.04 on it... took about an hour
[21:25:47] <JT-Shop> cradek: should we drop the French docs from 2.5 as there has been no updates in almost 2 years?
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[21:35:37] <psha> bb
[21:35:39] <psha> time to sleep
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[21:43:27] <cradek> JT-Shop: I don't know the answer to that
[21:45:11] <cradek> skunkworks: I'd sure try io-v2, in your place
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[22:38:02] <skunkworks> ok - there seems to be an issue with the latest mesa firmware.
[22:38:15] <skunkworks> from update manager
[22:40:20] <skunkworks> It has the muxed encoder when using stuff when using the 7I48
[22:40:32] <skunkworks> *muxed encoder pins..
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[23:13:13] <skunkworks> copying the bit file back into the hm2/yada yada fixes it. (the one I got from jepler)
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[23:36:12] <skunkworks> cut the deceleration in half.. on the spindle
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