EMC: 03cmorley 07v2.4_branch * r6ea190da6d30 10/src/emc/usr_intf/pncconf/ (pncconf.glade pncconf.py): Fix clearing of mesa data,calculation of mesa gpio pin numbers. 3X20
Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emcdevel/2010-06-30.txt
SWPadnos: when you get a chance - can you start the logger on #emc
oh - hey. Good morning
Thanks a bunch!
sure. thanks for noticing
dad usually lets me know. ;)
I just happened to catch it. :)
hi skunkworks's dad
skunkworks_: how's the K&T coming?
quite good. did you see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nuRea6615s
dad has all the parts for the timing pullys now - he actually found some of the taper hubs locally for cheap.
yeah, saw that.. nice
skunkworks_: that video is over a week old. we expect more.
sorry - it is going to be a week more - We are traveling west on a camping trip.
I don't think we are going to make it by lincon though. Not this time.
should be fun
yeah, sounds pleasant. the weather is nice.
shhh. don't say that out loud
woo. my monitors shipped already
cradek: you are right about the blue tooth mice.. Best buy didn't have any. It is funny they have some with 'blue technology' or something like that.
skunkworks_: that's the laser/light, it's blue
haha "blue technology"
bought a logitech from newegg
yes - actually
quick - what am I thinking now?
just found that one with google :)
that I'm a weirdo
seems to have paired up just fine in windows.
have not tried it in lucid yet
I saw this keyboard at Best Buy in Cleveland: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126043
it's pretty nice (not BT, but itis Logitech and illiminated :) )
does keyboard illumination keep them warm in winter?
probably a little bit
I love my latop with illuminated keys
great for working in the dark ;)
yeah, it's one of two things I'd change about my new laptop
well, three things
that seems to me like it would just cost more battery and cause more unwanted heat
who needs to see the keyboard to operate a computer? that's pretty much crazy talk.
when you have to do a function-alt-print screen.
jepler: perhaps persons whose sense of touch is impaired?
that could sure make all keyboarding into hell
like getting stuck on a keybpard that has dots on d and k instead of lines on f and j
it's nice when you're looking for some function key or other and you don't want to wake anyone by turning on a light
mine has a ThinkLight(tm) but I'm pretty sure I haven't ever used it
is that the little LED that shines on the keyboard?
I had a thinkpad with a light in it too -- it was an LED at the top of the screen which pointed at the keyboard
I rarely used it
it doesn't add much over the existing screen brightness anyway
that is what I used to do - tip the screen down so it illuminatest the keyaboard
illuminatest the keyaboard?
NEED MORE LIGHT
boom chaka boom boom
No, just me Alex.
The Illuminati will be along shortly...
SWPadnos: re that logitech keyboard from newegg
I hate keyboards without a proper delete key
with the big insert button, which I really *rarely* use
it's missing the insert key in the center area
which was an annoying thing
along with the mini backslash key
oh I didn't even notice it has a bizarre layout
that's right out
it's a relatively common one these days
it's getting harder and harder to find a "normal" layout
jepler: cradek, et al - Yesterday's segfault in AXIS was on a system that failed memtest, so it's a hardware problem. Just thought you'd like to know.
I wonder what they were thinking when they came up with that
sounds like an easy fix then
it also has a fail/fail lock key (possibly the F-keys are broken by default) and I don't spot the right-windows or menu keys
found thins nice little case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163151
mshaver: thanks for the update
mshaver: yay, that's easy to fix
well, "normal" layouts don't have windows or menu keys anyway
jepler, yeah, I couldn't plug it into anything at Best Buy, so I don't know if the Fn key makes F1-F12 work or the audio functions work
heh, that's true
I like the stuff compiz does with the windows key though
seems the Fxx keys aren't illuminated, just the symbols above
actually makes it useful
yeah, I didn't see the illumination on either, since it wasn't plugged into anything
oh the windows key has been useful for a long time in linux
(what'd they do with scroll lock?)
heh, qho needs it? :)
oh. well in that case ...
(and since you can get a proper buckling spring keyboard with the win/menu keys there's no reason to be grumpy about them .. http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/en104bl.html
nevertheless I prefer to not have them
which I guess they also still make: http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/pckeyboards_2104_7165
huh, they are only $69. It makes me happy to know that.
hm, it looks like those keyboards don't have the finger-placement hints on F, J and KP_5
the ones from pckeyboards?
hard to tell from the angle
this being the biggest photo I found, of the space saver 104 in black: http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/pckeyboards_2101_41087
hm, and a piece of plastic in the spot where the buttons of the integrated pointing device would ahve gone
[17:40:09] <SWPadnos> http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/pckeyboards_2097_627460
the real ones have bottom-lines instead of center-dots on F/J
all 3 keyboards I have here (one IBM, one Dell and one Microsoft) have bars on F/J/5
yep. my Keytronic is the same way
still works great after nearly 10 years
kids these days
heh, the one I'm using now is 24 (dated '86)
wow, that's pretty old
I'm sure cradek wins
but I had to buy a new one when I started my new company - couldn
couldn't take the old one from the previous office
the other keyboard on my desk (kvm console) is an HP model marked '92 (same layout with no extra unwanted keys)
what in the world happened here? http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?s=4326986c716445a4c9ddbb8743638577&p=115270&postcount=6
I think the implication is that it burned
I don't think that information is supplied
[17:51:12] <jepler> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kickstart70/sets/72157600262869570/
[17:52:21] <jepler> http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=38845&sid=58716ab516f3f82c755f74b6d521d7ad
[17:53:01] <jepler> http://failblog.org/2008/06/06/heat-gun-fail/
lmao epic zommmg
dude you are a fail
omfg you fail sD
don't read the comments!
Yeah jepler is the official old fart with a 92 keyboard
* Jymmm quietly covers up the IBM Model M kybd
Actually, I should take it apart and replace the LED's.
eh? LEDs don't wear out...
but they're not pretty colors
you damn kids
your keyboard is almost as old as you
I think I would only be able to have a Cherry if that were true for me
100,000 hours / 24 hr = 4167 Days / 365 days = 11.4 Years + 1993 = 2004
weirdly, mine doesn't have LEDs. I don't know why it doesn't - I've never seen another one like it
that's 100000 power on hours
cradek: clearly you need to get it on ebay as a collectible
so num-lock could be dead ;)
SWPadnos: Yeah, and I know scroll lock never had any hours on it, so maybe the caps or somethign need to be replaced.
just swap the scroll=lock and num-lock LEDs
SWPadnos: ALL the leds are out, so I'm thinking maybe the PCB
leaky caps *shrug*
I need to toss it in the dishwasher =)
[18:18:17] <cradek> http://c2.api.ning.com/files/Kc4I9NA-hvDf-Op7NZj7AcHD0u7CJImyaonuvNH73mbawZcllRxXAmjRUzhPN2aS0u19TaRmhmquLKlw7T1T6Dy7oIjqF2hy/Original_IBM_PS2.jpg
I do prefer slightly more modern mice though...
that can't have been much of a pleasure to use
hah! this clicky-keyboard company sells earplugs "for co-workers or significant others" of their users. http://www.daskeyboard.com/products/
(also linux keycaps just in case that's important to you)
what a regrettable typeface on their keys, though.
"the early 1390120 series did not feature LED indicators for the locking keys" (wikipedia)
i REALLY like my new keyboard as a modern replacement for my IBM Model M's... http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL/A
this is the one I have here: http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/9230/subcatid/0/id/381472
cradek: I second that
heh, mine was made 9 days after that one
I've never used one of those mac keyboards. I expect to be unimpressed, though, as I like the travel and noise of the model m so much
also I think I like the concave of this keyboard's keys, compared to the apparent flatness of those
at least they have pgup/pgdn keys, but yeah, I doubt I'd care for it
jepler: I didn't think I would like it either, but after I tried it for a while, I really like it.
It's one of those kybds that you'll either love it or hate it. But give it a feel at least once.
I wonder why "thin" and "lightweight" are features for a keyboard
I have a cheap logitech at work, but with full height keys
lots less noisy than a model M, but similar stroke, and key feel
something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126096&cm_re=logitech_keyboard-_-23-126-096-_-Product
haha.. this selection list is moronic: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/
if you select PC only one is left
and the K120 disappears if you select "Windows compatible"
can you check "has a fail lock key"?
nope, but you can check gaming
and you get something strangely related to a keyboard
[18:33:11] <alex_joni> http://profissaogamemaster.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/logitech-keyboard.jpg
please tell me that's an imaginary made-up picture, not a combination of actual products
maybe it's a combination keyboard-bagpipes
jepler: I can't tell you that
it'd be annoying to have a levitating keyboard and mouse
huh. that's a cool keypad on the left
wireless and 100% gravity free
it's a G19 keyboard + G13 gameboard
what's the center thing? skull x-ray accessory?
+ some headphones
cradek: that's a 200$ LCD
seems a bit much
[18:36:03] <alex_joni> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126053&Tpk=g19%20logitech
then there's this: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/davinci/resolve/
[18:36:11] <Jymmm> http://www.pertelian.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=43&Itemid=48
"The ability to set your key backlighting to nearly any color in the spectrum and then save three different color profiles (tied to your 3 sets of macro profiles). You don't just pick from a predefined color but you are able to manipulate the spectrum in the usual manner and vary intensity/contrast of the color selection. This should appeal to all tastes."
what if it's your taste that you don't pay for gimmicky crap?
then you should save your $29,995 and not buy that DaVinci control surface (and software)
oh, plus $19,995 extra for the Linux version
cradek: It's not a gimmick. It's literally everything else non-game related.... email, IM, etc
SWPadnos: you seem to have accidentally switched to a locale that uses "," instead of "." for the decimal point
and charges in fractions of a cent also ;)
just like gasoline
"I nought exactly 1.0 gallons of gas, gimme my 1/10 of a cent change!"
Hmmm, I wonder what the return policy is on gas?
Buy this week for $3.20, wait till it goes down then return it.
here's your backlit keyboard: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32245
Cons: - It's a bit hard to type
ooh here's another "worst keyboard" entrant: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.35861
I'm actually getting ready to order the trackpad/kybd but the blurtooth ione
[19:17:53] <Jymmm> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.34355
hoping it works good for the TV PC
[19:44:25] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzza-ZbEY70
alex_joni: hows' your norwegian...
awallin: I have a theory on that, but dont want to go there right now.
the margin is too narrow - I understand...
awallin: No, just busy atm =)
awallin: better than ever..
0 > 0
any new features added/planned for emc during fest?
nothing too big. Personally, I fixed bugs more than I worked on new stuff..
[20:10:30] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/origin-preview.png
my favorite new feature: fixing how rotated coordinate systems, g5x, and g92 interact, and representing it visually in the AXIS preview
I spent some time working on something I haven't released yet, infrastructure code for writing modbus components in Python (I'm not sure whether it has anything to offer above using CL for that purpose, now that its worst modbus bugs are vanquished)
cradek: that is awesome!
I like that.
I'll be all over that (and coordinate system rotation itself) if I ever find the courage to do a double-sided board
cradek: you had degrees in there also - didn't you?
it shows the G5x rotation in degrees in the BIGDRO but not in this preview
well you can see it visually, it's something like -20 or -30
hm, I bet probing isn't right in this setup
yes actually, I bet it is right
I hadn't thought of using it for pcbs. that'd work nicely even if the board was not aligned. you'd locate two holes that are supposed to be horizontal and you can calculate the degrees of rotation directly from that
then set rotation to match the board, and locate and touch off any feature
hmmm. you need too many numbers to let emc figure it out for you
x1,y1, x1,y2, expected x2,y2
(or some such)
well, it occurred to me that it would be nice to be able to set the offsets with XYIJ
but you also need the expected position of the second point
or at least part of it
unless you restrict it to "two points along the X axis" or something
temporarily touch off at x1,y1. jog to x2, y2. DRO will read x=x2-x1, y=y2-y1. angle=atan2(y,x).
g10 l2 p1 r[atan[dro y]/[dro x]]
jepler: darn, we never worked on the spreadsheetish touchoff
drat and darn indeed
I completely forgot about it
(huh, I just realized touchy has equivalent functionality)
I very often do x and y together (like after probing a hole center)
Does anyone recall what was done recently about /DONE on CPLD reset in Hostmot?
the words look familiar, but I was not paying attention.
andypugh: git show 2353319 and/or git show 5179344
In fact, if anyone has a few moments, could they look at hm2_7i43.c arounf line 452. I have a feeling that if the reset function returns an error, the driver continues blithely on and ends up saying you have the wrong board, whereas in fact it only means the board isn't talking.
yes, I think you're right
OK, so it isn't that I have the wrong board, or that the board is being actually misdetected, but that the reset isn't working.
do you have 2353319 ?
I did a pull rebase not an hour ago
did you have this problem before that commit?
or is it new in the last week or so?
My situation is a little different, I have a 400k card, which isn't resetting, and is telling me I have a 200k card and a 400k bitfile
It might well be a dodgy bitfile, it is an experimental one with SmartSerial.
if you load a "bad" bitfile it is possible for the PC to be unable to reset the FPGA
so it might be worth trying to produce this issue using a regular bitfile..
you could also try experimentally reverting 2353319 (it's as easy as: git revert 2353319)
do you have parport_pc loaded or not (yes if you have output from lsmod | grep parport_pc)
I have loaded known-good 400k bitfiles earlier today, so I will get back to Peter.
And yes, I have parport_pc
I am not sure what is going on though.
fatal: Entry 'src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/hm2_7i43.c' not uptodate. Cannot merge.
oh, you have uncommitted changes to the same file that would be modified by the revert
so I lied when I said it was easy :-/
I am in a development branch of my own, but don't think that should have done anything to hm2_7i43 (which I have never actually touched)
No, I am wrong, I have put in diagnostic telltales.
I thought that might be the case
I find that often git is right and I am wrong
let me hop back to master and try again
I think this is something I really need to learn. Do git have a way to revert a file back to the last pull?
you mean, you simply want to discard the changes you made to hm2_7i43.c and have not committed?
git checkout hm2_7i43.c
(that's a different meaning than 'git checkout master', which is about switching branches)
It is staying changed.
I will carry on fiddling
jepler: I reverted, still the same. I will bounce it back to PCW.
In more detail, after a hard reset of PC and board, the first attempt to load returns the correct board type and an EPP timeout. The second attempt gives a failed reset. This is the same with and without 2353319. It looks like the bitfile.
andypugh: thanks for testing that
andypugh: I'm relieved to hear that 2353319 didn't introduce the problem; I'd have been pulling my hair out over it.
I have submitted a tiny wee patch to the dev list
I suspect the patch is not right. After the failure, you have to hal_parport_release, just like for the case below where hm2_register() fails. and you can return 'r' instead of a fixed value of -EIO just in case hm2_7i43_reset ever gets the ability to return new, more interesting errors
(if you assign r = hm2_7i43_reset() that is)
That involves wastefully declaring a new variable though :-)
And I saw you railing against adding retvals to functions last night, so was nevous.
just adding 'r = hm2_7i43_reset()' and changing nothing else is wrong
adding 'r = hm2_7i43_reset()' and then *doing something sensible when r indicates failure* is right
OK. Well, I am sure somebody with commit access can come up with a better solution now I have pointed it out.