* jmkasunich wants: http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=12-248-779&searchtable=2&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
very very few van norman's had quills - this one does
well, yes and no
we haven't loaded the lathe yet
I got into the Cleveland area at around 3:30, had to buy some stuff at Home Depot, and we had to fix the trailer suspension oddness
so we didn't get to HGR until 20 minutes before closing (at 5:00)
which was lucky, since I had forgotten to buy some stuff at Home Depot :)
at least I made it out of Buffalo. the weather there was frightful
SWPLinux: so, what if we use that trailer twice tomorrow
once to haul the van norman to my house ;-)
heh. what have you found? :)
OK by me :)
as long as there's time to load up the HNC
I don't thnk we'd have time to load, unload, and reload
besides, I'd wait a bit for the price to drop
well, there is that storm coming. the one that would delay me until Tuesday ;)
they were busy putting 25% off tags on everything
that was in the new arrivals area, I doubt it will be marked down
btw, 5500lb capacity pallet jack is $70
wonder what it weighs
[01:19:49] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=21-317-001&searchtable=2&sortExpression=wbprice&SortASC=Yes&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
200 lbs maybe? (guessing)
ok. thai I could carry on the trailer
harbor freight says a 4000 lb cap one has a shipping weight of 302 lbs (and costs $299)
the trailer has ramps, so a pallet kack, ramps, and a come-along could lower the lathe off the trailer
so better raise that guess of mine
hard to steer
you'd want to figure a way to lock the steering wheels straight while ramping it
hook the come-along to the handle
interesting - if that serial number on HGRs site is correct, that mill was the 81st #16 ever made
I can't find any info about a #16 ever having a quill
How about a bungee cord to keep the handle in line with the come-along? You might want to use that handle while the come-along still has a strain on it.
you're the expert, according to the web :)
here is a pic of the only VN with a quill I've heard of: http://www.toolbit.net/vn/
the quill/cutterhead assy looks very similar
but the 1RQ is much newer than the 16, the body of the machine looks totally different
I'm gonna have to give that thing a carefull look-over tomorrow
some disassebly and the van norman would make it down your basement steps :)
no it wouldn't
oops - heh
I don't know what the 16 weighs, but it is at least a little more than the 12
hmmm. I should think about getting a motor or two
since I don't have to pay much for shipping
what kind of motor? just generic 3 phase?
[01:49:30] <SWPLinux> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=80-374-069&searchtable=2&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
that one looks nice
motors are often marked way down on saturdays
30% off or more
I'm thinking about increasing the power of my phase converter
maybe I'll try to get there by 9:00 too :)
there is a thread on the van norman yahoo group where someone strongly insists there was never a 16 with a quill
* jmkasunich makes note to take camera tomorrow ;-)
I wonder if somebody grafted a 1RQ head onto a 16 body?
oh, the head only, not the whole ram
oh well, tomorrow
hgr got a new web site
yeah, in the past week
new look, same search tools
yeah that's the second thing I noticed: it's no better
heh. me too
wow, cool new site
bummer. pretty old site
yeah, somebody sold them "design" I bet
btw, remember the vanishing ballscrews? 200 hits one week, 2 the next?
it looks like they are really gone
I guess we should all know that if we want something, we should buy it when we have the chance
still, it's a surprise that someone would buy so many of them
they seem to have some listed as "lead screw"
but they also seem to have no ballnuts
cradek: why dang? most of them were huge
SWPLinux: I suspect "lead screw" is acme
oh crap. gotta run to use the hot tub. bbl
I looked at one set and it really looked like a ballscrew
probably rolled, but it looked like a curved profile
jmkasunich: just would be nice to have a source for various ballscrews.
true, but nothing there is forever
did you get the lathe loaded today?
there were very very few under 1" diameter
no, we got there a few mins before closing
took a look at it, pondered where to run straps, etc
considered removing the guards, dunno if we'll do that or not
glanced at where the ballscrew pile used to be, noted emptyness
and noticed that van norman in the new arrivals area on the way out
it'll be better in the daylight anyway.
supposed to be colder tomorrow tho
20 instead of 33
that cycloidal gearbox/robot arm joint was still there - I think I'm gonna buy it tomorrow, just because
they have a few opto-22 relay racks
[03:00:41] <SWPLinux> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=14-258-742&searchtable=1&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
[03:00:53] <SWPLinux> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=14-230-246&searchtable=1&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
neat. would the mesa plug into it and work?
cool. do you have a bunch of the modules?
I have a fair number, and HGR has some ODC5 (DC output) modules
I kept the existing optos on mine...
[03:01:49] <SWPLinux> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=14-251-276&searchtable=1&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
if they work, don't knock it. but then again if an opto board is the same price as an I/O board from mesa ...
the mesa boards are nice and small...
I wish the screw terminals were easier to use though
yep. I think the outer terminal block should be aright angle
then you get a different plug, so both sets of screws point up
well I don't know what it needs, but it needs something...
cradek: I think it is this one, based on price http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=12-182-233&searchtable=2&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
but it is no longer in the box
yeah, the back strip is impossible to work with
you shouldn't have to pull the strip out to get to the screws
jmkasunich: what is it?
yep. making the outer one right angle also lowers the screw terminals, so the inner wires go out over the top of the outer ones
a zero-backlash reducer
could be used to make a rotary table, trunion, or tilting head
about 8" diameter or so
SWPLinux: I have some opto-22 stuff
cradek: I'm thinking that the lathe is ~3500 pounds and hte control another 800-1000, is that close to accurate?
jmkasunich, ok - wasn't sure how much :)
I have alot of mesa boards, so I may just grab those anyway
no, it's not that heavy
control is 800, lathe is 2000 or so
I have the actual numbers somewhere, but that's close
I was thinking that only having a 200 pound budget for other stuff might be too little ;)
I was recommending that he get a surface plate - shipping those sucks
you need some sand bags for traction?
I'm not sure
just put the plate in the jeep
yeah I'd like one twice as big as mine, but I don't want to ship it
there's a Home Depot near the interstate if I need to add weight ;)
I've run into times when it's slightly too small
[03:08:51] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=30-683-687&searchtable=2&sortExpression=wbprice&SortASC=Yes&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
I've got a 9x12x3 at home - the most I could afford to ship
wonder what that weighs
my 12x18x4 is 85 lbs, guess that should be 190
that would be perfect (well if it's flat...)
pink granite may be a little lighter than black (dunno what color you have now)
I have black
there is also a black 18x24, and a pink 18x18, all same price
if they have quite a few, I bet you can find a set of 3 flat ones :-)
"but honey, I needed them for load balancing"
I'll let you do the checking cradek
I left my crane at home
even two that match pretty well would be fine, since I bet they always wear the same way (down in the center)
get a 10HP motor and make a surface plate shaker
SWPLinux: just put legs on two of them and call them end tables
then swap which is which, while shaking them with fine grit in between
then I have to move them all the time - no thanks! :)
SWPLinux: got one of these? http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=09-142-461&searchtable=2&sortExpression=wbprice&SortASC=Yes&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
oooohhh - no, not yet
they have two at that price
plus a Meiji at 199
looks like pink granite may have a density of 2.5, and black may be 3.0
at least, that's what one site that sells both says
never heard of Meiji
[03:15:57] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=80-316-359&searchtable=2&sortExpression=wbprice&SortASC=Yes&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
that one has a port for a vid camera or such
doesn't have the nice base/arm tho
the Nikons are probably better
I have a couple of C-mount cameras that would probably work with that
[03:17:17] <jmkasunich> http://www.meijitechno.com/index1.htm
[03:18:42] <SWPLinux> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=09-142-457&searchtable=2&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
not like they're fragile or anything
I honestly don't think HGR did that
they know microscopes are fragile and high-value, in fact the microscopes are always on those couple tables at the front
maybe whoever they bought that lot from did that
your trailer isn't big enough
I thought you had enough of those?
well, with the lathe 1500 pounds lighter, you know
I do - thought you might want to ebay them - I think the majority of those are QC30
they are new - weren't there last time I looked
at $30 (probably $20-25 actually) I don't know if I want to tie much cash up in them, without really knowing what they'd fetch
have you been pricing that kind of stuff?
you'd want to get them for 10 I bet
that won't happen, especially if they are new
seems like the collet chucks are rare
_maybe_ if I offered to buy the whole lot at $10 each, but that looks like several hundred $
I enter "QC30 collet chuck", and they convert it to "collet chuck"
hmmm. the CNC workshop page doesn't say anything about 2009 any more
I don't know when that changed
[03:27:26] <cradek> http://cgi.ebay.com/Erickson-NMTB-30-Quick-Change-Collet-Chuck-uses-DA-180_W0QQitemZ110322438268QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Tool_Work_Holding?hash=item110322438268&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
DA though, not ER
$43 isn't very exciting
so forget it, they're not as high as I thought
would someone actually pay for this? http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=21-217-205&searchtable=2&sortExpression=wbprice&SortASC=Yes&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
look at all the pretty buttons
I like the yellow X
I bet it means "this one works perfectly and hasn't had any parts stripped out of it"
yeah, X means "don't strip this one, it's special
[03:35:46] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=80-411-051&searchtable=2&sortExpression=wbprice&SortASC=Yes&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
obsolete technology intended to be applied to even more obsolete technology
if you still used any of that stuff, I bet you'd love to have spares.
true - a bargain if you have a machine running one of those
I think that HBM I looked at a while back was using one of those
I think for a lot of people their options are "keep using this machine" and "buy a new machine for a huge amount of money"
heh. for a laugh, google "galesburg hotel", and read the first sentences for the two hotels we've stayed at, and the VIsta Lodge :)
wonder what taper these are? http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=30-683-695&searchtable=2&sortExpression=wbprice&SortASC=Yes&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=true
they just don't have the options we do
jmkasunich: they seem like 5C
yeah, they do look that way
then they fit your lathe
those might have been the ones we saw marked 4.99, but now they are 1.99
look for hexes!
no, the others are the only hit if you search for "5c"
nowhere near as many, only 64 total
* jmkasunich adds dial calipers to list of stuff to bring
bottom right of that photo has at least one hex and a square
how much you wanna bet they are for some weird screw machine?
but who needs hexes when they could do polygon turning instead ;)
"the degree of parallel better when using the working piece process"
SWPLinux: did you already see these opto-22? $7.99 \http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=14-115-864&searchtable=2&sortExpression=wbprice&SortASC=Yes&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=1&searchNAP=true
no, I didn't search for "optp" ;)
if only they had the modules for less than $3.99
yeah that's a significant investment to fill a couple of those boards
hmmm. hostmot2 can use any bit for input or output, can't it?
I have a mix of modules - once you know what you need, make me an offer I can't refuse (they mail easily)
I know I have several OAC5 modules, and a bunch of ODC5
I have a few input modules as well (yellow and white I believe)
the investement shouldn't be measured in "filling boards", but in "providing the number of points the machine needs"
SWPadnos: io pins that are not driven by modules can switch between input and output at runtime
cool, that's what I thought
which sort of blows my little digital mind
for one of those module rack boards, that's very handy
(not open drain, but configurable I/O)
hmmm. you can have multiple writers to an NML channel
too bad I can never seem to learn where G-codes go before they're turned into motion
it may be possible to make a userspace tool changer that just acts like another GUI sending motion commands
you can't do much, because a program is running
but you have to be able to disable it
[03:49:30] <cradek> http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/00013-1a.jpg
yeah, the mode thing gets in the way
looks like kirk kept most of the original SSRs too
I think mine has more (half of another row)
those look like fairly high current units
jepler: whee.py gets Internal Server Error
is that the tailstock end cabinet?
duh, tailstock end has the main disconnect and other heavy stuff
is the spindle 3-phase or DC?
mine is 3 phase
yeah, I just remembered discussing the VFD
the ones Ray has are DC I think
do the clutches and brake run on 24V?
there is no 24v anywhere. there is some 12
oh - the extra half row of optos are on the USC in Kirk's machine
some of the ssrs switch that I bet
servo drives are in the control cabinet, right?
(I mean on the original, looks like kirk stuck them in the headstock cabinet)
they're too big for either of the boxes on the lathe
yeah, I guess he did
that's where the PC is on mine
did you reuse the old cabinet, or just some of the stuff in it?
it's quite full
I'd have thought it would be mostly empty
oh the control cabinet
no I did not use that
you moved the transformers and drives that you used into something smaller?
I put what I needed in a much smaller box
are there PC boards plugged into PC boards, or is it mostly modules that are physically attached to metal backplanes and connected with wires?
the cabinet has a huge handwired backplane and 50? cards plugged into it
deposit that in the nearest dumpster
didn't you look in it?
I glanced in there last week
the control cabinet is pretty buried right now
jmkasunich: I keep pulling wire, screw strips, etc out of it
I wish it had a better control panel - it just has crappy buttons that I didn't reuse
I was glad I could see what worked and what didn't before I tossed the control. It let me know what was my fault and what wasn't
MDI and jogging was fully working on mine
IOW, it is probably worth the trouble of loading and hauling
for me it was (even aside from the parts I reused)
if I was doing it again I'd do it the same way - original amps and tachs, jon's resolver boards, mesa. the results are just terrific.
it's probably not going to cost much extra fuel (on top of the excessive amount the Jeep, lathe, and trailer will use)
ok, I was going to ask about that. I thought you were using those boards
yeah, its not the fuel
its the load, wrap, unload, etc
SWPLinux: you'll have to find a scope to tune the resolver boards - think you can borrow one from someone?
as long as it doesn't need to be isolated, I think I know someone
I wonder if my Analog rep could get me a couple of those dev boards :)
I think I'm gonna walk the dog and get some sleep - want to do some serious browsing at HGR tomorrow
sounds good to me. I might get to bed before midnight tonight
unless I leave the HGR windows open ;)
get some sleep and browse in person tomorrow
you can get your hand greasy that way
oh, bring Gojo ;)
they have it
from the webpage: Some of the surplus is new, and some is very used, but all of it is priced right. If it is not priced right for you, we encourage offers. We have not been insulted yet, and we have heard a lot of strange offers over the years.
is gojo better than the orange stuff?
I dunno, soap is soap
I tend to use dawn dish detergent on my hands, works great for grease
gojo is soap and pumice powder
yeah it's the abrasive that might be different
and it smells like orange (and my big jug of it happens to be orange as well)
gojo makes my hands break out - I use baby oil and then diswashing detergent instead.
yep, dish soap is good when you have a sink with warm water available
"diswashing" - what happens in the hood in situations when you dis someone, and your mouth should be washed out with soap
skin is still peeling from using gojo after I set up the christmas tree.
yeah - I did a lot of work on the Jeep before coming here, so now my hands are itchy because of all the times I washed them
(going from shop to computer to shop to phone to shop to coffee/kitchen ...)
[04:13:10] <SWPLinux> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/sub/product_detail.aspx?id=21-310-016&searchtable=1&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0&searchNAP=
huh. looks like a nice rolling rack, and I think those are lever clamps on the trays
can't remember what they're called
yeah, it's always fun. I go through a lot of eucerin hand cream to keep the eczema from flaring up.
one of my sisters used to have to wear gloves with hand cream of some sort while she slept
I was surprised to hear your brake controller was not proportional - I thought they all were.
what surprised me is that there's no output from the car that tells anything what amount of pressure you're putting on the brake pedal
oh, I heard wrong/misunderstood.
the brake lights are turned on by what's effectively a limit switch against the pedal (which is what also enables the brake controller)
the only proportional anything is the pressure in the brake lines, and though they used to tap into that, they started thinking better of it about 30 years ago
I may have said the wrong thing ;)
huh, on my father-in-laws pickup, the lever on the controller moves proportionally to the pressure you have on the brake pedal.
well, some vehicles may have that - I don't know
I'll have to look, see how it's hooked up. (it's an '83 gmc - no ABS.)
that may be a hydraulic or hydraulic/electric system
I didn't look into those since I knew I didn't need them ;)
ok, bedtime for me. good night
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EMC: 03bigjohnt 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/halui.lyx: add new pins... some new pins do not have man page entries
hint, hint :)
"error now is "unknown command""
BigJohnT: the fix is to stop documenting everything twice
or three times or whatever it is
jepler: I agree
* BigJohnT wanders off to play with fire
seb_kuzminsky: oh finally I see what you're talking about
cradek: Is the idea to add tools table into GUI (AXIS) is still alive ?
(some sort of tool params controling)
If so I want to help with it
imo the first step is to make axis able to invoke a different program to exit the tool table than for editing gcode (right now both are controlled by [DISPLAY]EDITOR)
second is to write a standalone program to edit the tool table, which can be invoked by axis when configured properly
if this editor is written in python+tk, it is a possible future direction to integrate it directly into axis
that should be a fairly simple program right? like the g code generators...
well, one user will want a program that works with a touch probe to set tool lengths. another will want something else. some will be satisfied with a text editor, or the "tool touch off" in TRUNK.
micges: in TRUNK you can set the tool table entries with G10 L1
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so, you can already write a program (gcode) that uses a probe to set up the tool table
on my Anilam you can go to the tool table page and manually jog down with the MPG till you touch the piece of paper then press a button to store the offset
The only problem is has is you must have tool 0 loaded or you get an offset from the current tool...
you can now do that with TRUNK too, except with the added feature that you can enter a number, like touch off (paper thickness)
also, it totally kicks ass on the lathe
where is that at?
turn, measure diameter, tool touch off, enter radius
on the touch off screen, you can select tool instead of g5x
if I remember right, you must have a tool loaded an TLO in effect to select "T"
ok that is why I can't find it
that then would be the same as the Anilam basicly
I was jealous of what BOSS does, but EMC is even better than that now
I guess you don't have to have g43 active, just have a tool loaded
after you tool touch off, g43 does BECOME active though
(otherwise you wouldn't see it do anything)
hmmm, I'm not finding it in touch off...
I did a t1
got it :/
so if your in lathe mode it only works when you have x as the currently selected axis?
nope, you can set Z offset also
hmmm, only z worked on my lathe...
because if you don't have a lathe format tool table it don't know what to do...
dang that all needs some splaining so's folks know bout it
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while trying to figure out the secret decoder ring for the frontangle and backangle of the lathe tool table I discovered that orientation 7 does not display properly in trunk
I used this tool table http://pastebin.ca/1290449
orientation 1-6 and 8 and 9 display as expected
7 is backwards or something like that
* BigJohnT is off to start the pizza dough