EMC: 03bigjohnt 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/quickstart/stepper_quickstart.lyx: added a bit more info
EMC: 03bigjohnt 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/config/stepconf.lyx: add G10 L1 and some minor clean up
EMC: 03bigjohnt 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gcode/main.lyx: add G10 L1 and some minor clean up
wow - code and docs in the same day! :)
EMC: 03bigjohnt 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/common/Linux_FAQ.lyx: some minor clean up
EMC: 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/share/axis/tcl/axis.tcl: let the user "touch off" a tool length -- cradek promises to iron out all the bugs in this code later
EMC: 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py: let the user "touch off" a tool length -- cradek promises to iron out all the bugs in this code later
is there a ini setting for the homing blocking run mode
no, it's always that way now
or not homed
yes if not homed, you cannot run an MDI command or execute a gcode file
should that be an option for the integrator?
not in my opinion
in my opinion, an integrator that thinks the user should not home the machine is mistaken
my anilam bp mill does not have any home switches or home functions...
does it have index pulse?
if using emc, I think you would want to home it, even if only by eye
I have to set my zeros off the vise or part
I often cut with my plasma torch without homing
you could still do that with emc too - just set homing to zero the axis without moving
why do you sometimes not home the plasma?
I use homing more than not so I still want my home switches to function
I might have the table near the cut so it is faster to just cut the part out as I zero x and y at the start of the cut
you asked me if I think it should be an option - is it that you are being polite and actually saying YOU think it should be an option? (you don't have to be polite to me, please say what you mean and I won't ever be offended)
I'm actually serious :-)
yes, I think that the integrator should have the option to force that or not
sometimes I am bad at understanding what people mean when they are being polite :-)
you are definitely not the only one to think that
I sometimes have a hard time being polite
if it is an option, we have to decide what the default is
people with old configs who do not set it would get this default
hmm I think the option should be on unless turned off in the ini file
if your using trunk you should be used to things changing while you sleep :)
so the default should be the current behavior?
I think so
so the ini would have something like ALLOW_RUNNING_UNHOMED_WILLYNILLY=1
would the option to turn it off be in the AXIS_n section for each axis
perhaps by axis
I'd think it would be a setting for all axes
to be frank, making this option isn't high on my list to do right now, but it wouldn't bother me at all if someone else wants to do it
I would if I knew how :)
it's not super simple - will take some digging. alex did the last optional thing like that.
to change the subject a bit... does G10 L1 return anything to know you had success or throw an error if something is wrong?
if you do something wrong you will get an error
I'll bug Alex on that then :)
yeah for me it always prints this :Can't issue MDI command when not homed
I can't figure out why^W^W^W^W^W
like, "can't set X tool offset with orientation 0" if you try to set X for a mill tool
there are a slew of errors that probably are given at mostly the right times
"p value out of range"
hm I don't get an error for this: g10 l1 p1 y3
jepler: oh hmm, I didn't think of that
it'll just do nothing I bet
looks that way
here I am in axis.py - wonder what I was going to do.
I hate when that happens
time for me to call it a day too
21:57:29 up 10 days, 14:08, 6 users, load average: 4.01, 4.00, 4.00
^^^ my 64-bit rtai machine with new kernel
maybe it's actually stable this time
anyway, goodnight again
yep goodnight from here too
EMC: 03cradek 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_convert.cc: detect some more incorrect G10 L1 invocations
cradek: you still here?
is surplus center open on the weekends?
I'd have to check their website
EMC: 03cradek 07TRUNK * 10emc2/share/axis/tcl/axis.tcl: remove debug output
they have 24/7 phone ordering
8/5 customer service
showroom hours not listed
8-5 7 day customer service?
man, how can you have a website and not put your hours on it? that's amazing.
oh 8-5 M-F customer service
I bet that's customer service/front desk/showroom
I was afraid of that
there are only two guys who work there
I'm this >< close to ordering about 10 of those, for me and the other guy on this project
but I'd love to know the DC armature resistance, since it indirectly establishes the continuous torque rating
the torque constant is 44 oz-in per amp, and the peak current limit is 12A, but cont might only be 2-4 A
[03:49:42] <cradek> http://surpluscenter.com/help.asp?UID=2008101722431527&catname=#contact
I may have one of those motors
same number, same hours for customer service department, technical support department, shipping department
that's more departments than employees I think
I found a cnczone post where mariss says the motor is 4A cont, 178 oz-in
I could go on Monday
nope, mine is much bigger and has a square flangs. sorry
apparently these motors were made for 1980's tape drives (the fridge sized ones)
EMC: 03cradek 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py: fix tool table touch off for metric machines, and when a G5x offset is in effect (this one affected all machines)
for the 24 hour ordering, they probably have an answering service that orders on the website for you
well, that would be worthless
I think I'll call on Monday
if I can get a discount, I'm gonna order 10, otherwise probably 8
yeah you want to talk to them to make a deal anyway
from what I'm reading on the web, people have had good results with them on minimill and mill-drill sized machines
they've had them forever, and they have hundreds. I'd offer half price for 10 or more
I noticed that yesterday they had 340 pieces, and today they have 280
that's what you get for talking about them on our wildly popular channel
they are on ebay, from multiple sellers - some folks use them in wind generators apparently
going rate seems to be a bit over $50
I meant to measure the motors on HNC - I don't think they're much bigger than these
they're geared 3:1 (or more) though
what rapid speeds do you get on the HNC?
200 ipm, not trying hard
I think the old control could be configured for 400
those motors must scream then
200 ipm x 5tpi = 1000 rpm at the screw, 3000 or so at the motor if 3:1
I set the amp scaling so full scale (about 8v) gives 200
I don't know what I'd get if I cranked the little knob
I think it might have trouble counting the encoder much faster with this firmware
you have crazy high counts per inch don't you?
[04:11:31] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=80-301-008&searchtable=2&sortExpression=wbprice&SortASC=Yes&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0
I think those are a cat40 version of max
they got two of them
yeah I think they're 5 axis
tilting B head
looks like a toolchanger too
tomorrow is HGR day
gonna leave some drool marks on that mill I think
drool marks, tool marks - what's the difference? :)
drool wipes off
eh - tool scrapes off
looks like QC30
yeah, I wonder what it was for
turning brake drums or something!
I think this is all QC30 too: http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=30-732-041&searchtable=2&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0
no ER40 chucks evident though
a few goofy MT adapters
QC30 to morse
low on the right side - is that a boring head?
shank is up, black, body is kinda brown
also boring head: http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=30-732-035&searchtable=2&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50¤tPageIndex=0
if so it's a steal at that price
endmill holders and boring heads at the same price - one or the other is just wrong
there's some odd stuff in that large bin
one MT adapter with an MT drill in it
should I take my cell phone and your number?
at the upper left - T/C tapping maybe?
upper right I see two DA? collet chucks with collet and drill
upper right corner, down a tiny bit
I think I see one (no drill), below and right of the huge MT adapter (or whatever that thing with the huge bore is)
three of them actually
under and behind that one are two more
you can see the nuts
you got good eyes
oh, I think I see the one with the drill
mostly under the shank end of the huge MT, right?
then directly right of that one is another with a long drill?? stuck right through it
jmkasunich: if you get a chance and do find that bin, it would be great if you would give me a call
EMC: 03bigjohnt 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/config/images/HomingTyp.jpg: add graphic
BigJohnT: if you can get a .png directly from the vector file, that's a much better image format choice than jpg
is it smaller?
or better graphic?
jpg is compressed, png is lossles
alex_joni: is it possible to have a ini choice on to Home or not to Home?
cradek: said you know how to do it :)
hmm, sounds doable
hmm.. I do have 20 minutes, might just try it out
if you can think of a way to call it in the ini
you got it..
it's forcing it by default :)
0 is off any other value or no entry is on?
sounds good to me :)
or maybe "NO_FORCE_HOMING=1"
sounds like a plan, I love it when a plan comes together :)
when my plan comes together
that looks easier to guess what it means
EMC: 03cmorley 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/src/hal/classicladder/vars_access.c: fix for writing to counter preset/done/empty/full/value variables
ok Qcad does an export to png, I'll try that
BigJohnT: you get to put it in the docs though :P
(it's actually more interesting when CIA-40 plays along.. not like this :(
* alex_joni kicks CIA-40
now that's a nice timeout :)
* BigJohnT shoots CIA-40
* alex_joni kills CIA-40
* CIA-40 dies
* alex_joni hugs CIA-40 to death
BigJohnT: anyways, I commited the [TRAJ]NO_FORCE_HOMING thingie
cool, as soon as I figure out how I screwed up here I add that to the docs :)
EMC: 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/task/emctaskmain.cc:
EMC: by defining [TRAJ]NO_FORCE_HOMING = 1 an integrator
EMC: can chose to override the default behaviour of not allowing MDI and Auto
EMC: before the machine has been homed.
Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emcdevel/2008-10-18.txt
BigJohnT: if that's all, I'm off to bed ;)
don't mention it..
good night all
cradek: just one brainstorm idea.. I'm thinking of another "canon" like component, which contains the current status of canon and interp (up to the line it actually is executing)
ahven't thought yet where/how it connects to emctask yet
* BigJohnT kicks CIA-40
EMC: 03bigjohnt 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/config/ini_config.lyx: add NO_FORCE_HOME to docs
EMC: 03bigjohnt 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/Master_User.lyx: some minor edits