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[00:10:03] <jmkasunich> what is the package that gets you man pages for stdlib functions?
[00:11:29] <cradek> manpages-dev? manpages-posix-dev?
[00:11:37] <cradek> I found those with apt-file search printf.3
[00:11:58] <jmkasunich> hmm, the only manpages ones I have are -hu and -tr
[00:12:25] <cradek> Filename: pool/main/m/manpages/manpages-dev_2.17-1_all.deb
[00:12:32] <cradek> manpages-dev is in main
[00:12:58] <jmkasunich> duh, pebkac
[00:38:43] <jmkasunich> 5-axis is brain twisty
[10:17:04] <alex_joni> skunkworks: around?
[10:18:56] <alex_joni> skunkworks: maybe you can reply to that cnczone question (linuxcnc.org/emc2/ vs. linuxcnc.org/hardy): they are different repositories, signed by different keys.. that's why we can't unify them
[14:28:02] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=453395&postcount=18
[18:52:01] <alex_joni> skunkworks: thanks
[18:52:23] <skunkworks> ray is on now - he is so much more articulate.. :)
[18:54:02] <alex_joni> on where?
[18:54:47] <jmkasunich> cnczone
[18:55:04] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/
[18:55:09] <skunkworks> opps
[18:55:19] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=453425&postcount=20
[18:56:59] <alex_joni> found it .. thanks
[18:57:02] <alex_joni> hi jmkasunich
[18:58:26] <jmkasunich> hi
[18:59:18] <rayh> Oh yea, right.
[18:59:42] <rayh> I just felt I needed to add a bit of info to that thread.
[19:03:18] <rayh> I really appreciate skunkworks taking the time to keep up with cnczone.
[19:03:29] <rayh> I'm really hit and miss on those sorts of things.
[19:04:15] <alex_joni> yeah, email is lots easier
[19:04:50] <skunkworks> Heh - I like message boards.. I don't know what it is with you guys.. :)
[19:06:15] <SWPadnos> I thought about joining when CNCzone started up, but I figured it would turn into an advertising-supported flash fest
[19:06:17] <SWPadnos> so I didn't :)
[19:06:37] <alex_joni> ad-remove?
[19:06:38] <alex_joni> ;)
[19:06:47] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: what's new?
[19:07:44] <jmkasunich> not much - doing woodworking lately
[19:07:49] <jmkasunich> shelves
[19:08:29] <skunkworks> I think this was one of my first posts
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8383&postcount=43
[19:08:30] <alex_joni> nice
[19:09:21] <alex_joni> skunkworks: I see you had the same typos back then :P
[19:10:22] <skunkworks> I am nothing if not consistent..
[19:11:25] <cradek> not a high bar, posting to a thread "What forums would you like too [sic] see added?"
[19:11:42] <alex_joni> cradek: lol
[19:12:34] <cradek> the forum says "Discuss Enhanced Machine Controlers [sic] here!"
[19:12:48] <alex_joni> "I will see what we can due..."
[19:12:57] <skunkworks> heh - what do you expect from machinists?
[19:13:05] <cradek> come on folks, jeez
[19:13:18] <cradek> skunkworks: :-P
[19:14:09] <SWPadnos> Eye wood like two sea a forume disgusting the Embiggened Maschine Contorloror
[19:14:16] <skunkworks> surprisingly - I didn't notice that.
[19:16:05] <alex_joni> skunkworks: surprisingly?
[19:16:52] <skunkworks> yahoo said it was spelled right.. Just might not be a real word.
[19:16:58] <skunkworks> ;)
[19:17:11] <alex_joni> I meant it's not surprising at all :D
[19:17:21] <alex_joni> </endpun>
[19:17:33] <skunkworks> oh - sorry - I was being punny also
[19:18:29] <rayh> Any of you guys used Fastcad or Easycad?
[19:20:38] <rayh> back in the "winders" days.
[19:22:08] <skunkworks> sorry - no.
[19:23:00] <alex_joni> rayh: I only used some free 2-D cad on winders
[19:23:12] <alex_joni> I think it was called Free2Design
[19:25:02] <rayh> Seems like I remember something about it.
[19:25:24] <jmkasunich> I used (and use) easycad
[19:25:50] <rayh> There is a Linux Beta. I've got mine coming now.
[19:25:57] <alex_joni> the page seems dead (www.free2design.org)
[19:26:05] <rayh> You want to be a tester.
[19:28:04] <jmkasunich> you talking about easycad 8?
[19:29:17] <rayh> Yep.
[19:29:38] <rayh> actually fastcad v8
[19:30:14] <jmkasunich> is it now in "public beta"?
[19:30:25] <jmkasunich> I know its been in selected beta users hands for a while now
[19:31:00] <rayh> I just got to be one for Linux.
[19:31:11] <rayh> I'll refer you if you want.
[19:31:25] <jmkasunich> my usage is intermittent, so I'm not sure how valuable I'd be as a beta tester
[19:31:35] <jmkasunich> I used it this morning to draw up some shelves
[19:31:53] <jmkasunich> V8 is supposed to be _very_ different
[19:32:06] <jmkasunich> I hope the learning curve isn't too steep a climb
[19:33:52] <rayh> It's running here but I don't know what I'm looking at yet.
[19:33:57] <rayh> Under 8.04
[19:35:16] <SWPadnos> http://napkinspace.com/
[19:35:22] <SWPadnos> is it that, or something later?
[19:36:55] <jmkasunich> that looks like it
[19:37:02] <jmkasunich> you need a username and pw to download
[19:37:08] <rayh> That's it.
[19:37:32] <SWPadnos> ah ok - I hadn't clicked the download links :)
[19:37:35] <rayh> Want me to have them send those to you both.
[19:37:44] <jmkasunich> well, it depends
[19:37:56] <jmkasunich> if they're handing them out freely, sure, I'll try it
[19:37:57] <SWPadnos> I wouldn't mind, but I don't think I would be of much use in the near future
[19:38:21] <jmkasunich> if they want a commitment that I'll use it and give them lots of feedback within some limited timeframe, then probalby not
[19:38:48] <rayh> They didn't ask me for anything like that.
[19:39:02] <jmkasunich> I've been wanting a linux version of easycad for years
[19:39:11] <jmkasunich> I would have been thrilled with a linux version of 7
[19:39:22] <jmkasunich> (and instantly bought it)
[19:39:23] <rayh> Said they were needing Linux testers and that development was slow because there were few test folk.
[19:39:32] <rayh> Me to.
[19:39:35] <jmkasunich> I'm reserving judgement for version 8 till I experience it
[19:39:42] <SWPadnos> oh, well under those terms, maybe it would help :)
[19:39:54] <rayh> Looks a bit different to me. Just started drawing lines.'
[19:39:56] <jmkasunich> if they are seeking linux testers, sign me up
[19:40:18] <rayh> Okay to both of you'se guys eh?
[19:40:22] <jmkasunich> yep
[19:40:23] <SWPadnos> sure
[19:42:56] <rayh> fastmail a good addy, jmkasunich?
[19:43:00] <jmkasunich> yes
[19:45:08] <rayh> and sover for you SWPadnos?
[19:45:12] <SWPadnos> yep
[19:47:15] <rayh> It's on the way.
[19:47:19] <jmkasunich> thanks
[19:47:24] <SWPadnos> cool. thanks
[19:47:33] <rayh> Hope Mike get's back to you soon.
[19:52:45] <LawrenceG> rayh, any chance of signing me up as well? ve7it at shaw.ca ?
[19:53:07] <rayh> You bet Lawrence. I'll post a note in just a few minutes.
[19:53:59] <rayh> I don't seem to have an addy for you, LawrenceG
[19:54:12] <LawrenceG> ve7it at shaw.ca
[19:54:13] <SWPadnos> ve7it at shaw.ca :)
[19:54:38] <alex_joni> < LawrenceG> rayh, any chance of signing me up as well? ve7it at shaw.ca ?
[19:54:48] <rayh> You bet alex
[19:55:13] <alex_joni> rayh: kidding ;)
[19:55:41] <LawrenceG> rayh, is the download source or just a binary.? I see its a tar file, but whar are the contents?
[19:55:55] <LawrenceG> what
[19:56:01] <alex_joni> sounds like binary to me
[19:56:03] <rayh> The tarball has an installer.
[19:56:10] <alex_joni> LawrenceG: it's not open-source afterall
[19:56:11] <rayh> It is binary.
[20:02:20] <jmkasunich> easycad is not free software
[20:02:31] <jmkasunich> but it is inexpensive compared to autocad and such
[20:02:45] <jmkasunich> I've owned a copy for windows for years, also use it at work
[20:05:38] <rayh> I ran a copy under dos on a trs 80 laptop with an 80-186 processor
[20:09:35] <SWPadnos> I had a vision of the tiny little Tandy 100 computer there
[20:09:53] <SWPadnos> the one with the 4 or 8 line, 40 character display built in
[20:11:32] <rayh> And 4k core memory
[20:11:41] <SWPadnos> 8k! :)
[20:11:44] <SWPadnos> up to 32 even
[20:11:48] <SWPadnos> http://oldcomputers.net/trs100.html
[20:12:07] <SWPadnos> we actually made a photo process controller out of one, using the parallel port (and BASIC)
[20:12:46] <LawrenceG> wish I could find something close to vcarve
http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/vcp/vcp_index.htm
[20:13:18] <SWPadnos> ArtCam is another one that seems to be pretty popular
[20:14:02] <rayh> What is the truly remarkable price?
[20:14:28] <SWPadnos> $600
[20:15:09] <LawrenceG> let me remark.... cough cough.... too much to spend on windows
[20:15:32] <rayh> Makes a Linux user grit her teeth.
[20:19:54] <alex_joni> good night all
[20:20:01] <SWPadnos> see you Alex