EMC: 03cradek 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/ (8 files): G73 drill cycle with chip breaking
let me know how it looks after you install
of the install?
you need a 16+ core machine
heh - this is a III 550 I think
[13:32:46] <SWPadnos> http://server1.streamsend.com/streamsend/clicktracker.php?cd=3854&ld=8&md=34&ud=06b6b0fd2a02ec78ccc7744e748f0c48&url=http://www.aberdeeninc.com/abcatg/Stonehaven-A135.htm
seems to run emc quite nice.
or just http://www.aberdeeninc.com/abcatg/Stonehaven-A135.htm
my coworker (around 22 years old) has a bunch of amd stock. He has lost a ton of money so far ;)(
He had decided to just let it ride and hope for the best.
yay - only 550 more emails to wade through
yikes. 1% good?
* alex_joni puts http://www.aberdeeninc.com/abcatg/Stonehaven-X840.htm
on the christmas wishlist
no, this is after I've culled most of the spam
wow - your a popular guy.
heh - sure, that's it
I'm on several mailing lists - that's the other possible explanation ;)
wow only $8313 for quad quad 2.0GHz, 16GB? Send me one too!
[13:40:33] <jepler> http://xkcd.com/353/
cradek: you'll have to help me document g73
EMC: 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/halshow_fr.lyx: French translation typo!
alex_joni: it uses your desktop piture.
(penguin and 2.2)
EMC: 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/ (Master_HAL_fr.lyx Submakefile index.tmpl index_fr.tmpl): French translation
EMC: 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/axis_fr.lyx: French translation
EMC: 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/config/ (copy_and_run_fr.lyx ini_homing_fr.lyx): French translation
EMC: 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/halshow_fr.lyx: French translation
skunkworks_: it's too smart :)
skunkworks_: I had help though: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/leveledup.jpg
[14:02:05] <alex_joni> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/nightout.jpg
somebody needs to make an emc control panel with these buttons: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8493
wow - I'm surprised (a little) that those are still $50 each
yeah that's one thing that is stopping me from doing it myself
Guest404 is now known as skunkworks__
I wonder if anyone is using the screw mapping
I thought it was contributed, in which case somebody must be
or am I thinking of the velocity-limiting for backlash?
I thought jmkasunich had gotten it working the last time. (about all I remember)
I think jmk wrote screw comp
cradek: oh by the way -- for new error messages in the interpreter, I believe it's better not to define new error numbers but to use the newer error macros that let you specify the string in-line
that's good, because I'm sick of doing them that way
but, is it harder for i18n?
no, it should work about the same for i18n
ok. when I merge g17.1 etc, there will be a lot of new ones. They already will clash, so I'll fix them that way
EMC: 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/ (general_ref_fr.lyx halshow_fr.lyx tools_fr.lyx): French translation update
EMC: 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/ (general_ref_fr.lyx halshow_fr.lyx tools_fr.lyx): French translation update
alex_joni: banging on the installed emc 2.2 - no issues so far.
jepler: why don't we change all the errors to the new format?
cradek: I don't see a problem with doing that in 2.3.
cradek: what is the name of the G73 canned cycle?
how about 'drill cycle with chip breaking'
OK that's what I had come up with too
[16:19:34] <jepler> http://pastebin.com/m646ae0ed
er, must be "steps 2 and 3"
I don't like the use of "down" and "out" as opposites
I recommend using "up"
I came up with that because G83 said "backed off a bit"
-> "back off"
3. Rapid up a bit
... to break the chip
maybe not, it's fine without that
it is not typical for the purpose of each step to be explained
looks good then, thank you
EMC: 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gcode/main.lyx: document new canned cycle G73
EMC: 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/html/gcode.html: mention new G76 canned cycle
er, that commit message is wrong but I think I got it right in the document
cradek: what link from the gcode quick ref did you say did not work? Were you referring to 2.2 or to TRUNK?
it was 2.2
I think G18
EMC: 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/html/gcode.html: fix G18, G19 links to full docs
EMC: 03jepler 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/debian/changelog: gcode quick reference had wrong links to G18, G19 documentation
EMC: 03jepler 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/html/gcode.html: gcode quick reference had wrong links to G18, G19 documentation
EMC: 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/ (checklinks.py Submakefile): automated check that links in quickref work
.. because manually clicking each link is STUPID
(though I suppose the program can only verify that the anchors exist, not that they are the right ones)
argh why am I laptop-shopping?
in spring I always start looking at cars. maybe you have a seasonal problem like that
I seem to computer shop during all seasons
its a pan-seasonal problem
I just bought another laptop
[17:10:02] <SWPadnos> http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/index.php
that's something I'm trying carefully not to be interested in
also the keyboard looks just terrible to use
I figured it would be nice for some kid soemwhere, plus maybe another kid (or older person) here, if I give away the one they send me
the placement of the headphone jack is very interesting
so much for trying carefully not to be interested..
(I think the latest versions of gcam require a gtk+ version not available on dapper?
(which really makes it pretty useless to emc users)
GCAM requires the following dependencies in order for the "configure" script to succeed.
* GTK+ 2.10.0 or higher
$ dpkg -l libgtk2.0-dev
ii libgtk2.0-dev 2.8.20-0ubuntu Development files for the GTK+ library
inexorable progress and all that
I have mentioned this to him before and actually submitted a patch at the time, but apparently he's not that interested in compatability with the systems where emc runs
I thought he fixed it.
he must have changed his mind back.
probably ran into some other feature in 2.10 that was desirable. I wish it was on dapper, because then I would have used GtkAssistant as the 'wizard' widget in stepconf; as it was, I had to require Gnome for GnomeDruid instead.
jepler, it require gnome-desktop?
lerneaen_hydra: specifically, it requires python2.4-gnome2
oh, is it gnome specific or relatively common? (just curious)
if the packager took care when splitting up gnome into its constitutent packages, it should not be necessary to pull in any gnome desktop applications, but just a few core libraries. However, I don't know whether the packaging was done to enable this or not
jepler, ah, I see
it won't matter to the typical emc user, since they get a full gnome desktop when installing from the emc live cd anyway
most installations have the gnome desktop?
oh, and classicladder pulls in libgnomeprintui2.2 to enable printing of ladders
if you install from the emc2 live cd or from the standard ubuntu cd then you get gnome
if you install xubuntu or kubuntu then you don't have it by default
yeah but do most people use that installation method?
instead of using some other distro or something else a bit more exotic
no most people show up and say "I never used linux before will you compile a real time kernel on my gentoo slackware suse"
but they never actually get emc to run
say a company that boxes an emc2 installation for example (have you heard of companies using emc?)
ugh, that's not what I was thinking of ;)
I don't know the answer to your question.
since it is impossible to buy a new hard disk so small that it can't hold the regular ubuntu desktop -- and getting harder every month to buy a piece of flash memory without that much space -- I won't lose much sleep over the possibility that this package requirement is a hardship for anyone
oh I wasn't implying that it was a problem
just a bit, well, ugly ;) if you know what I mean
it goes against my religion
i've sworn off gnome packages
as they say, if your eye offends you, pluck it out
fenn: we can even help with that
* lerneaen_hydra hands alex_joni a scalpel
nah.. to clean
a shop-vac with the itty-bitty end would do it
finally got this stupid raid 5 array to rebuild. Only been a week or so.
you need faster disks
no - it was a bunch of issues.. The offical seagate replacements for the maxtor drives that where originally in the server where just a tad smaller.
a tad larger is the way to go
so they sent me some tad bigger fugitus drives - which also ended up being a tad smaller.
so I ended up buying some seagate 140gb drive. (original was 73gb)
Then I could set it as a hot spare - but it would not rebuild becuase there was a fantom drive in the array for some reason. Finally gave up (these are not hot swapable) and pulled the power out of the new drive - changed it to the id of the fantom drive. plugged it back in and boom - started rebuilding. pain
and 12 minutes later, it's done! :)
heh - it is going to be a bit. 5% so far.
ok, 7@73GB is a fair amount to rebuild
almost a 1/2 TB
slightly more, actually
including parity though
no - raid 5 6*73=438
oh, is #7 a hot spare?
no - but you loose the capacity of 1 of the drives in a raid 5 setup
#7 is parity
actually distributed parity.. but as a concept
well - spread over all drives
sure, that's why I said "including parity though"
Riiight :) usable space though is less than .5TB
since the parity info also has to be regenerated/restored, the RAID needs to write out the raw capacity of all drives, not the usable space
is this SCSI or a bunch of raptors?
ok - those must be somewhat expensive replacement drives then :)
that is why I wanted to stick with 73gb drives
I finally broke down and bought a SATA raid for my server. I'd prefer SCSI, but for the workload, the price wasn't justifiable
got a link?
err - not really. it's a 3Ware card and cage from NewEgg
4x300GB drives = 600GB usable + parity (RAID 5) + hot spare
I just bought one of these - and 6 750GB sata drives.. Let you know how it works out.
[22:14:19] <skunkworks__> http://www.meritline.com/5-bay-esata-raid-hard-drive-storage-array.html
or maybe they're 320GB, I don't remember
sounds like you may have one too many drives ;)
I know now to buy one extra at the time :)
they where cheap - they all came to $800
that's relatively amazing, isn't it?
it was a deal from I think buy.com
could not pass it up
$800 including that RAID cage?
just the drives
ah, ok. still a good deal
raid cage was 500 shipped I think
drives wise - yes - cage - I don't really know
$800 is what the computer club paid for a 10M external disk when I was in high school
I wanted esata for the server.
it could have been $895 though, I don't remember
yeh - i remember being excited about $1 a megabyte.
a friend and I pooled our money to buy a hard drive wehn they first hit 1G - ir was about $500
same deal for a 16M SIMM ($495)
6 $149.99 $899.94 free shipping
looks like it has expired
[22:26:02] <skunkworks__> http://www.geeks.com:80/details.asp?invtid=ST3750640AS-R&cm_mmc=geekmail-_-daily_html-_-20nov07_750SEA-_-750SEAmain
ok - 900 dollars ;)
no bigie - that's only $10 less than NewEgg is now for a WD drive
I really have had bad luck with WD drives though.. If a drive is going to go bad - it seems to always be a WD
I think I know at least one person who has had that problem with every drive manufacturer
except Fujitsu (that I can recall)
but I don't know many people who use Fujitsus, so that's not a good data point
heh - that is what is in our novell sever..
4 30somethingGB drives
they have all been replaced - they where originally IBM drives made by fugitu. I have replaced every one with the same fugitsu drives now. BUt this server has got to be atleast 8 years old
there are special datacenter editions from all HDD manufacturers
tuned to work 24/7
I think it's ES series from WD
all the WD i have had gone bad have been in cheap workstations.
alex_joni: the live cd looks good.. No issues so far
although I have not actaully run any hardware with it.
skunkworks__: good.. I changed it on the webpages
skunkworks__: that test is not for the Live CD.. but for emc2.2.2
which afaik works a treat so far ;)
SWPadnos: how does this look? http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/2U/823/SC823S-R500LP.cfm
* skunkworks__ love supermicro equipent..
* skunkworks__ loves supermicro equipment
that can be interpreted :D
is 2U enough for regular PCI cards?
or should I go with an 3U or even 4U ?
I have not bought any rack mount servers..
next you'll be telling me you run windows on them too
lets see - windows 2000, novell 4.11, and redhat.
I think that sums it up. - actually we have a server coming in running 2003 now too.
hence why I am still at work
are SAS and SATA using the same hotplug bays?
doesn't look like it..
wait - hold on
well Ill be - looks like it does.
I have a sas server (not running at the moment) and the back of the drives look identical to the sata drives.
I did not know that.
The SAS connector is a universal interconnection that is form-factor compatible with SATA. It allows SAS or SATA drives to plug directly into a SAS environment for mission-critical applications with high-availability and high-performance requirements or lower-cost-per-gigabyte applications such as near-box storage.
seems you can even run SAS disks on SATA controllers
[22:59:44] <alex_joni> http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/sas-and-sata/
that just doesn't seem right ;)
sure does to me
it means cheaper bays, backplanes, cables, etc
alex_joni, that looks like a nice server chassis, though I have no experience with it
SWPadnos: but generally.. is 2U a big enough size?
the ones I have now are all 4U (don't quite recall how high 2U is)
2u is ~3.5"
good night all