darnit jepler's advice is always better than mine.
you mean more wordy?
you're very generous
hm, I was going to ask you for advice or help with something, but now I can't remember what..
well I get out of that easily then
jepler: now that I read it again, I don't see any reason to believe that sherline guy is using emc2
I'm pretty certain they still ship emc1 even today
so, he may have bigger problems with the rotary, but maybe g61 will help anyway
oh .. I dunno about that
well he has plenty of things to try.
cradek: I remember now -- I wanted to start getting the environment set up to remaster the 6.06 live CD
hmm my h-bridge also turns on the lower fets during the off cycle. I was worried about that also.
we will now call it a 'feature by design'
jepler: need help?
[12:38:59] <alex_joni> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization?action=show&redirect=LiveCDCustomization%2F6.06
<- that's what I always use
jepler: ok I'll go back in time and make a tape, and bring it in to work this morning
cradek: great, that's very kind of you
alex's link is pretty much the idea though
cradek: is the .iso on linuxcnc.org the latest, or had you made any changes since then?
I think I added those dev packages
I'm not sure it's useful for you to figure out dapper, maybe you should use whatever newer distrib
I'm happy to make the "last" dapper cd
so - you guys have never gotten into fist fights?
you and jepler :)
I've gotten into short fist fights with various kinds of machinery, usually when using a crescent wrench or the like
how is the bridgeport?
still sloppy, but reliable now
it's pretty worn but it's probably good enough for me
is the convertion on back burner?
fist fights? about what?
you guys seem to get along too well..
I think I outgrew fist fights about when I outgrew grade school
* skunkworks has never been in one..
better not, since you're over "arresting age"
which I think is about 12 now (it's going down)
nah they just start 'em off in prison and send them to prisons with progressively higher security
fenn: you mean public school?
should the documentation on http://linuxcnc.org/
try to "look like" the rest of the site? http://unpy.net/hi.html
unfortunately, I don't know any way to do it but manually synching the two
and some (many?) of the diagrams are wider than the content width on linuxcnc.org's joomla pages
it would be very nice if the joomla styles could allow for wider browser windows
linuxcnc does suffer from the narrow internet problem
i dont like the fixed width aspect of it
seems like joomla should have a module that can automatically wrap a HTML file with the current style...
but from the other direction :)
point it at the copy of the docs that is already on the same server, and say "put the banners and stuff around it"
if the docs were in the joomla database, I think it would do that
I definitely don't want to synchronize between cvs and joomla though
what a PITA that would be
does anyone know what lube a bp head requires? my book says the spindle bearings don't need any maintenance, but I have a rattle noise in low gear sometimes, seems like it needs something
especially with the quill all the way up and with light cutting load in low gear it rattles a bit
you'd really think there would be information about this in the manual, but it pretty much says to make sure the lube pump is full and don't worry
could it be lash in the drive spline?
how ever it works..
yeah that would make sense, it might be more worn near the bottom (quill up) because it was used there more
I bet it couldn't hurt to grease it up a bit
could be - yes
wish I had done that when it was apart though :-/
the other thing I could do, which is very little work, is not worry about it
I really only get it at the beginning and end of a heavy cut with a shell mill
once the shell is completely on the work it's quiet
I could see that - as the shell mill would get ahead of itself at the start and rattle.
last night I was figuring out tool length offset
if you use TLO, you can't set the Z plane except by moving the knee
you just get one or the other
is that for EMC or the BP?
emc's really pretty good isn't it.
that's a reasonable simplification of the code - tool lengths make it so a fully retracted quill is lower than 0
yeah I can see why they did it
I always wondered why using QUILL UP would nuke my Z offset
it replaces it with the one from the tool table (which happened to be 0)
ah - that's a little weird
this makes it hard to have a tool table that you can just leave alone
if you have one very long tool, it means the zero for the normal tools takes up a lot of the quill travel
you can't tell it "for this job I won't use that long tool, so move all the tools up a couple inches"
instead you have to reset them all, starting with the longest tool for the job and the knee up to touch it
hmm. ok, that is a bit weird
more than a little
yeah I don't care for it much
but setting the length is easy, you jog down to touch something and push the TLO=Z button
SWPadnos: can you give me write access on /home/cncman/www.linuxcnc.org/modules ? I have groups=61242(pg167418),174740(linuxcnc) so giving group write access to that dir should do it
I think so - lemme check
jepler, try it now
SWPadnos: yes, looks good
this is a first
quite a lot more talk in scrollback on #emc-devel than on #emc :)
jepler: nice/beautiful touch on the docs
and I agree the width is somehow limiting..
SWPadnos: can I get the same treatment on /components ?
jepler: what are you working on?
trying to include the docs into joomla?
alex_joni: yes, but joomla and I do not think alike
* alex_joni found a component to include php's
it also does html (but in iframes.. yuck)
yeah iframes won't work -- it breaks use of anchors in links, for instance
SWPadnos: can you do groupwrite on includes/ aswell
-R or not?
done, no -R. let me know if that's necessary
the others weren't recursive either
on a separate note, I now have a 6-channel 16-bit A/D converter running at 165 KSamples/second (on all channels simultaneously)
I can get it to ~220 KHz, but that's out of spec for hte SPI port
I need +w on includes/sef.php
ok, I'll do -R on all 3 dirs
no need for -R
in case you need to be able to change other files
(that's recursive, not minus read permission)
* alex_joni happens to know -R vs. -r
seems to work now.. thanks
I just changed sef.php individually - let me know if that worked
ok. I'm going to get some food now that the A/D is working
then I may have the energy to get the DAC to work
anyone good with regexp?
alex_joni, I'm not terrible at regexp
* alex_joni tries something else atm
ok. I'll eat then
just for fun: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/
* alex_joni never managed to break it that hard before
it's hard to tell how borken it is when you get nothing ;)
you get nothing?
Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/.jared/cncman/www.linuxcnc.org/includes/sef.php on line 220
I got some really funky stuff
nothing - only <html><body></body></html>
and I don't know if that's real or a mozilla artifact
[21:55:27] <alex_joni> http://imagebin.org/10960
I get the linuxcnc home page.
that's what I get in firefox as well
fasted web auther in the west.
SWPadnos: what a/d chips are you using?.... I would like to try a couple of LTC2206 with parallel interface to the mesa fpga
analog devices, of course
nice... 64lqfp must be a pain to do boards
I had a proto house do it for me, which was its own set of pains
I can solder those though, I just have to use the 1/64 tip
[22:10:13] <LawrenceG> http://www.microtelecom.it/perseus/Perseus-blkdiag.pdf
some cool radio stuff... might work with mesa card... not sure what max clock rate would be
can someone test it now?
oooh - content! :)
looks like it is working.. :)
some links are dead - is that expected?
the manpages links I think
the buttons on the top of each page are broken
* alex_joni is still working on that
err - make that all he manpages I clicked
skunkworks: images are borken
SWPadnos: normal pages use href="link"
manpages use href=link
SWPadnos: here's where your regexp fits
[22:13:52] <LawrenceG> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/config/stepper/index.htmlstepper.html#tex2html5
type links seem broken as well
uh - I mean that when I clcik e.g. the emc.1 link, I get a 404
SWPadnos: that's expected
* alex_joni looks at the stuff LawrenceG reported
looks nice and easy to find stuff
SWPadnos: can you think of an regexp to match href=foo ?
I mean the 'href=' part, which isn't followed by a "
hmmm. ok, I'll think about it
LawrenceG: what did you click to get that?
one of the links on bottom of : http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/config/stepper/index.html
SWPadnos: I have been looking for an alternate high speed way in and out of the PC. Two ideas that come to mind are the audio pdif port and possibly a sata connection. The audio one is particularly interesting as its pretty easy to stream audio in and out
it really depends on the kind of signal you want to stream in and out
I thinkaudio cards are generally AC coupled, so they're not necessarily that useful as general-purpose A/Ds
servo and bulk i/o come to mind.... not sure if there is any realtime access to the audio devices
I think not much
they're meant for programs to post a block of data and then go away
idea is to use the digital audio interface so you have high speed bits streams
those are PCM, so they're still best for slowly changing signals (I believe - it's been a while since I've looked at that stuff)
I am not sure how many modern laptops have a digital connector.... it seems everything fun is being taken off laptops
my new one has SPDIF
old one does too, come to think of it
coll... I'll try some more reading.... three are lots of cheap sound cards that have spdif
then again, it also has an expresscard slot, which has much higher bandwidth ;)
I can just imagine someone with a mega audio system starting emc and being blasted with a stream of i/o image bits!
hmm.. a bit better now
SWPadnos: anything on that regexp ? :P
how does the link end?
if it's not with a "
> I guess
so you want to convert from that to the quoted version?
I just want to replace HREF= with HREF=/my/magic/
I just searched/replaced href=man with href=/my/magic/man
are you looking for a sed regexp that will do that automatically in the future?
I was looking for a regexp to call from php preg_replace (or something like that)
* alex_joni decides it's good enough for 2am
maybe jepler will look at it, and beautify it a bit more :)
I changed it to http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/
looks good to me
[22:57:42] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/devel/html/hal_drivers.html
except really wide pictures :D
(and the pesky footnotes links at the bottom of the page)
php should be able to use imagemagick to reduce the size of the images, but I'm not sure of all the pitfalls of that
SWPadnos: well.. ideally it would detect which images are larger than X*Y
yep, that would be ideal
then it would create a smaller inline version, and a link to a larger image
or just wider than X
* alex_joni wrote about 10 hours of php code in his whole life
but then again, we (or at least I) would like it if the site were more "horizontally scalable"
8 in the last 8 hours? ;)
ok, make it 40
I think I've written about 40 minutes of php
I only spent 2 hours on this (and jeff did the hard part I think)
* alex_joni decides it's enough for today
good night all