#emc-devel | Logs for 2007-10-08

[05:44:20] <fenn> jepler how did you come up with the list of words to use for the cross-reference index?
[05:49:06] <fenn> and a minor quirk; upper-case entries first is not the usual way to sort an index
[11:59:16] <jepler> fenn: point taken, but apparently xslt doesn't have an option to sort in a case-insensitive manner
[12:00:25] <alex_joni> might be easier to fix the indexes
[12:00:42] <jepler> hm -- "case-order has the value upper-first or lower-first; this applies when data-type="text", and specifies that upper-case letters should sort before lower-case letters or vice-versa respectively. For example, if lang="en", then A a B b are sorted with case-order="upper-first" and a A b B are sorted with case-order="lower-first". The default value is language dependent."
[12:00:59] <jepler> yet neither of those behaviors is the one I get ...
[12:16:39] <jepler> fenn: the lyx documents have always had "Idx" items in them, but the old HTML system didn't do anything with these (I think the pdf docs did have an end index)
[12:19:08] <fenn> ah
[14:05:11] <cradek> we should fix our circles... I looked but it wasn't a quick change.
[14:05:27] <cradek> I fixed it 75% and quit, I don't recall what the trouble was
[14:05:49] <alex_joni> * alex_joni thinks we can do that post-2.2
[14:05:53] <skunkworks> so they default?
[14:06:09] <alex_joni> just as before
[14:07:00] <cradek> G2 I- J- should give a full circle since X,Y endpoints don't change
[14:07:27] <cradek> it lets you use the rule "only output words when they change" when generating the gcode
[14:07:34] <cradek> our circles are the exception to that
[14:07:48] <skunkworks> * skunkworks hates that.
[14:07:50] <cradek> yeah
[14:07:53] <cradek> me too
[14:07:54] <cradek> oops brb!
[14:08:29] <alex_joni> oops doesn't sound good :)
[14:08:55] <skunkworks> I hate lazy post proccessors ;)
[14:26:51] <alex_joni> on that note..
[14:26:59] <alex_joni> I would really want a 2.2 branch
[14:27:09] <cradek> is it time?
[14:27:13] <fenn> yep
[14:27:13] <alex_joni> I think there are things which make more sense to fix for 2.2
[14:27:35] <cradek> alex_joni: explain
[14:27:43] <alex_joni> hmm.. config paths
[14:27:51] <alex_joni> (you know.. all the trouble before making packages)
[14:28:00] <alex_joni> then various places to change version strings
[14:28:16] <alex_joni> most of that isn't TRUNK-relevant anyways
[14:28:27] <cradek> I disagree
[14:28:33] <alex_joni> how so?
[14:28:42] <cradek> all those changes should be on trunk and then we should branch the moment we make 2.2.0 release
[14:29:23] <cradek> well everything but VERSION maybe
[14:29:30] <cradek> VERSION on trunk should not say 2.2.0
[14:29:40] <alex_joni> version is in quite a few places
[14:29:42] <cradek> but everything for debs should be on trunk
[14:30:12] <alex_joni> ok.. then I'll try to make a preliminary package these days ;)
[14:31:10] <cradek> I think jepler tried it recently and it seemed ok
[14:33:02] <jepler> I suspect there are still things missing
[14:33:12] <jepler> for instance somebody dropped by and pointed out that mumble was missing in 'make install
[14:33:17] <jepler> '
[14:33:22] <jepler> but that's work that will benefit 2.2 and 2.3
[14:48:51] <SWPadnos> alex_joni, is that supposed to be pci_read?
[14:49:02] <SWPadnos> (and pci_write)
[14:52:58] <alex_joni> I thought it was usr/bin/pciread
[14:53:15] <alex_joni> but obviously you're right :/
[14:54:08] <alex_joni> * alex_joni tests this time
[14:57:56] <SWPadnos> heh. I wouldn't have known if I hand't spent all last night using those two programs :)
[15:01:00] <alex_joni> debuild is running along nicely so far
[17:37:34] <skunkworks> SWPadnos: if I was looking for a green laser diode for astronomy use - what would you recomend?
[17:37:53] <skunkworks> cheap one off of ebay? :)
[17:38:19] <SWPadnos> I wouldn't know what to recommend, since I have no idea what you'd use a green laser diode for relative to astronmy :)
[17:38:56] <skunkworks> mainly for pointing.
[17:39:18] <skunkworks> you can see it - you can point at stars and actually follow the beam up.
[17:39:20] <SWPadnos> you'd need to wait a long time for the reflection to come back though ;)
[17:39:28] <SWPadnos> ah - tyndall effect
[17:39:45] <skunkworks> yellow ones don't work at all
[17:39:55] <SWPadnos> no, the eye isn't as sensitive to yellow
[17:41:33] <SWPadnos> yeah, ebay or something is probably fine
[17:42:10] <SWPadnos> you can't buy (in single quantity) a diode for less than you can get an assembled laser pointer
[17:43:49] <skunkworks> makes sense - thanks
[17:49:15] <skunkworks> I had an old yellow (650nm) that I put batteries in. at about 300ft it was the size of a soccorball. I popped it apart and the lense was adjustable. got it down as small as I could. supprised - looks good now.
[17:50:13] <SWPadnos> green will be the most visible because that's where peak sensitivity of the (average) eye is
[17:50:40] <SWPadnos> red is good since it doesn't destroy night vision
[17:51:15] <SWPadnos> I went through this exercise when choosing a backlight color for a product. each color had an advantage :)
[17:51:40] <SWPadnos> (yellow and black are the highest contrast pair, and blue has the highest resolution of the visible spectrum, in case you were wondering)
[17:53:03] <skunkworks> heh
[17:53:20] <skunkworks> I actually thought our eyesite peaked at yellow though..
[17:53:25] <skunkworks> for some reason
[17:57:39] <alex_joni> I think green is closer to the middle of the rainbow :P
[18:28:08] <skunkworks> I will let you know http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250173553484
[19:49:45] <alex_joni> * alex_joni stares at xsl
[20:02:09] <jepler> alex_joni: uh oh, trying to fix something I did in the docs?
[20:02:22] <jepler> alex_joni: I just learned the language this weekend so I'm sure I programmed it like a complete "newb"
[20:02:49] <alex_joni> jepler: no, I was waiting for a click
[20:02:53] <alex_joni> but it didn't happen :)
[20:03:06] <alex_joni> eventually I looked away :P
[20:03:26] <jepler> * jepler is really confused now
[20:05:14] <jepler> oh, you mean waiting for it to start making sense?
[20:05:25] <jepler> here I am trying to figure out what xsl has to do with event handling
[20:05:56] <alex_joni> yeah, something like that
[20:17:51] <jepler> I can probably explain *what* each part of the .xsl files does but not how or why..
[20:18:24] <jepler> It's a bit like my first brush with perl: it's a tool that can clearly solve a wide range of problems, but I'll be damned if I can understand what all the //[@stuff] means
[20:19:30] <alex_joni> :-)
[20:23:40] <SWPadnos> eXtremely Shitty Language?
[20:32:17] <jepler> really it's xslt I'm using to transform an XML document into an HTML document; the HTML document is styled with good old CSS for display in the browser.
[20:41:34] <alex_joni> * alex_joni heads to bed
[20:41:37] <alex_joni> good night all
[20:41:56] <alex_joni> jepler: before I leave, do you have something planned for 2.2.0 already?
[20:45:21] <jepler> alex_joni: should I?
[20:46:48] <jepler> I dunno where we are on polish & bug-fixing now..
[20:47:14] <cradek> I still haven't gotten back to testing stepconf
[20:47:18] <cradek> I think that's critical
[20:48:50] <jepler> I occasionally wonder about making a 2.2.0~pre packaged version so that it can reach people who don't want to compile, but want to test 2.2 features
[20:51:30] <jepler> despite being titular release manager I am not too interested in setting benchmarks or timetables
[20:52:08] <alex_joni> I think you won't have to do this alone, even if you are the titular ;)
[20:52:40] <alex_joni> I'll try to run the current pre-2.2 on my machine tomorrow (so far I ran it only in a VM)
[20:53:13] <alex_joni> but I think a page/document/wiki/list with todo's and bug's and still missing would be good
[20:56:39] <jepler> sure that sounds like a good idea to me too
[20:56:45] <jepler> though bugs on SF is fine too
[20:59:16] <alex_joni> yeah, but I think bugs on SF is for more serious stuff
[20:59:24] <alex_joni> these might be ideas about unfinished edges
[20:59:33] <alex_joni> like chris testing stepconf ;)
[20:59:37] <alex_joni> ok, off to bed now
[20:59:44] <jepler> I'll create a page then?
[20:59:56] <alex_joni> jepler: only if you feel like it
[21:00:05] <alex_joni> you/we can also use the TODO in CVS
[21:01:28] <alex_joni> I think that's a better choice (nothing to set up, people who are appropriate to edit it already have access, etc)
[21:05:31] <cradek> * cradek bewilderedly types "titular" into google
[21:05:49] <cradek> oh hey look at that
[21:06:27] <alex_joni> cradek: ?
[21:06:41] <cradek> I didn't know that word, but now I do
[21:07:26] <alex_joni> huh, I assumed it's an english word too :)
[22:13:22] <kollabierer> hi