hm -- the qt4 build errored out on the packaging step
dh_install -plibqt4-dev --sourcedir=debian/tmp --exclude=.debug
cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/bin/qdbusxml2cpp': No such file or directory
my ability to care just ran out
I just got home
wonder how swp did getting that stuff to the printer
he said something about it but I forget what
try scrolling back
"I dropped it off at the printer, and we got things pretty much the way you'd expect. The quick ref had very small print when I just rotated/printed it on my printer, which is what I had hoped to be able to change.
from an email to me
and "They should have it done on Friday (though she chuckled when I mentioned I need it then"
huh, I thought it was pretty readable...
I tried to print it two up here (last night) but I wound up with one tiny copy
wasn't about to fight with printers at 0330
the one tiny copy is 4.25" tall, and pretty much impossible to read without magnification
expanded to 8" tall, it will be a little smaller than ideal, but I hope usable
the bifocal portion of the CNC workshop crowd won't be thrilled
I so wish I could have redone the ref guide in easycad - much much better control over what you get
what do you think of my operators and owords sections?
I only glanced at it, but it looked OK
certainly much better than the snippet I had on the html quick ref
cradek made a bigger snippet, which I elaborated on
thanks so much to you guys for doing the rest
I really dropped the ball after making the initial suggestion
I hope the final results are good
well, you made the initial ref, which was the key to the whole thing
so we'll let you slide (this time)
anybody remember where that mexican restaurant was?
ooh have to check this out: Landmark Cafe & Creperie (62 S Seminary)
the mexican place was on the main north/south drag
I think 62 S Seminary is just north of the hotel
I think that place is within walking distance of the hotel, as is the one we went to last year
hope our motel is ok - we're all in it together
jepler can rightfully blame me, but nobody else can
S seminary is not N of the hotel ;-)
4 blocks E, 1/2 block S
my mistake -- only took a split-second look at the map
I wonder if the hotel has normal hotel phones?
that let you just dial and add it to the bill at a semi-crazy rate, as opposed to motel 6 phones, where you get to call collect at some crazy rate
I dunno -- I expected to use my cellphone
yeah me too
my phone even worked out at the workshop
so did I, until I found out that the bastards canceled my account
ouch - surprise!
I have one of those "pay for what you use" phones
just go to any check-cashing store or pawn shop and get a new one
but apparently that means "pay for what you use, as long as its at least $100 per year"
feel free to borrow mine -- I've built up a substantial unused balance for the reason you cite
if you don't use the money you put in it, the money expires, which annoyed me but I could live with
but if you let it all expire, the kill the account a couple months later
on my network (virgin mobile) the cash doesn't expire, but they cancel or invalidate the account if you don't put in more money for some period of time
I'm planning on reopening the account - was gonna do it last night, but they had rolled up the sidewalks by the time I got around to it
if I put $100 in it, it won't expire for a year
OK -- if not, my offer still stands
and the account won't disappear for 14 monthes or so, which is long enough that I'll use it again first
I appreciate the offer, but I hate bumming phones and such from people
yep - the packet is off at the printer, and I stayed there while she fiddled with placement
the front page wound up readable I hope?
I hope so too ;)
the text was a bit small from my printer
when she did a test print on their laser, it was better, but still not ideal
didn't see the end result of the fiddling?
I asked her to enlarge it a bit - basically make it as big as possible
I didn't see the final result, but what I saw was "good enough"
good enough will have to do
I went with the 3 mil plastic - I guess I was in a cheapskate sort of mood
it'll be printed on "cover stock" - sometihng like 100-120 # weight
that sounds good to me
so it should be pretty stiff once the plastic goe son
is it 3 mils per layer of plastic?
yes, I think so
I also asked for a 1" laminated edge on the top, so we can put holes in that
folks that don't want a hole can fix that with a pair of scissors
hmmm. I may have forgotten to ask her to not drill the pages if the top border can be 1"
err - top edge
I guess the plastic must not come in pre-cut sheets, or that border wouldn't be an option
no, I think it's a long roll
they do things like menus and stuff, so there isn't really a small set of standard sizes
welcome to the CNC Cafe
would you like to start with some fresh G0?
we have a wonderfull selection of chips on todays menu, can I suggest the titanium for those of you on a diet?
with a touch of oil-based coolant on top
whee, I have some 3/8 and 1/2 lathe stock now
the 1/4 is a little bit too flexy
what did you get? brass, alum, steel?
brass and alum
CRS can be found in any hardware store
I can bring a bit of 3/4" steel rod if you like
it seems small in my bandsaw, but it may be bigger than the sherline
yeah that's getting pretty large
I have some 2" I think
I have some 2" SS that I'm not going to bother to bring...
it would be fun to do inside and outside threads in PVC conduit
just screw the sections together ...
yeah that would be neat
cradek probably doesn't have an inside threading tool that fits on (or is) a boring bar
I need to find a boring bar
(I could be wrong about that)
I have one that's too big
if you'd like to do that, I can bring a few scraps of 3/4 conduit - in the 6" rto 2 ft range
SWPadnos: how thick is the wall>
hmmm. I have a boring bar set, but I don't think it's usable for threading
1/8 or thereabouts
I have a QCTP holder for a boring bar, but it's a pretty small hole
I bet it won't be easy to get ID and OD threads in that, unless they are pretty fine
I'll make one to fit it one of these days
how small is pretty small?
3/8 maybe (guessing from memory)
I've made that kind of holder before, with a set screw in the end
I've made small boring bars from busted or dull endmills with 3/8" shanks - just grind off all but one flute
if you start with a 1/8 endmill, you can bore in pretty small holes (limited depth of course)
or cheap drills
drills aren't as good a grade of steel
and the odds of having a dead 3/8" drill aren't that high
a 27/32" drill ain't much good
no but I could buy new
can't buy end mills at the local store here
what's this "buy" word?
I said "dull or broken"
sure, but I doubt I have any end mills over 1/4
I'll bring you some
1/4 is ridiculously big on my mill
* jmkasunich takes a picture of the 10lbs or so that he bought at an auction for $5 or some such
I'll go measure the hole...
[02:24:47] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.dyndns.org/pics/misc-tooling-1.jpg
need some big ones?
not today, but maybe soon
I think those are 1" shanks, too lazy to measure
[02:25:32] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.dyndns.org/pics/misc-tooling-2.jpg
a few of those are new and worth $10
I have several of those - 2 flute, natural choice for a boring bar
not neccessarily new, sometimes they goop up a resharpened one
I'll bring you a couple of those ones in pic 2, plus some regular end mills
(the #2 pic has a 3/8 shank, the skinny part is about 1-5/8 long
that #2 looks great (what is it?)
it looks a little like a reamer
but not very long
whatever it is, I have at least 8-10 of them
not enough flutes for a reamer, only 2
hmmm. what's the approximate diameter of the goopy ones?
those look like nice aluminum rougher/finnisher mills
1 inch shanks, the cutting end might be less if they've been sharpened
oh. it looks like the shank is smaller than the cutting part on some of them
I have a 1" dia 4" long (flute length, 6-1/2 overall) ball end mill
that would be expensive to buy new
the corncob ones are 5-flute, so its not simple to measure the actual diameter
you can see the ball mill trying to hide next to the divider in the drawer
that short non-corrugated one is labeled 1-1/8
ah yes, I see it now
1" shank is a bit much for a bport, R8 collets usually top out at 3/4
yeah - I have toolholders for 1" and 1-1/4"
you want those tools? I won't use them for anything
sure, if you're pretty sure you won't need/want them
the collets for the Van Norman top out at 5/8"
bummer. no screw-type endmill holders for that?
and 1" in the shoptask would be a joke
yeah, the table would start to spin
I usually use the VN with the big face mill, or sometimes with the horizontal arbor
don't do a lot of vertical milling with it
what do you want for the mills?
well, they look like <1/5 of the total in the drawer, so if that lot was $5, then $1 should cover it ;)
man, look at this beast: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120126918833
van norman tooling (top half)
[02:40:26] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.dyndns.org/pics/misc-tooling-3.jpg
SWPadnos: yours for $100 I bet
well, I can't really use those, so I'll let him keep that lot ;)
another spindle or two and you can make several widgets at a time
damn. those are big hunks of steel
oh, that $100 :)
the true trace thing was really cool actually
what are big hunks, the bport tru-trace?
I'd love to see one work - probably not many still going
the left hunk is a spindle, and the right hunk is the tracer, I guess
I saw a video of a larger system that did the same thing - milling molds for car sheet metal
the one I saw before had two normal heads and the tracing head (which looked mostly like a normal head also)
cool, two copies
I should take more pictures of my crap piles, and see what else I can get you guys to take off my hands
it's like HGR but with free shipping?
better - free purchase and free shipping
as long as its something I don't think I'll need, and fits in the truck
[02:51:51] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.dyndns.org/pics/crapped-up-again.jpg
oh was it clean for a bit?
took that last night, I was editing the ref card back drawing on the lappy balanced on the pile at left
yeah, it was
I know just how that goes
around christmas, there are pics on my blog
what is this you speak of? "clean"?
SWPadnos: it means there are horizontal surfaces showing
oh. I think I may have heard of that
the bottom machine on that stack is a dual P3, the middle one is my new box, and the top one is my work lappy
I actually found several square feet of carpet in my office
cradek: I have some scraps of 1/2 to 1" diameter aluminum a few inches long - I'll bring some of those to the fest too
how big is the spindle hole in the sherline?
10mm per google
the chuck's hole is 3/4, I think the spindle is 1/2
I have some 1/2" x 5" bronze bolts, they make nice lathe stock once you machine the heads round
but that would probably take all day on the sherline
oh maybe it does narrow
and 5" is way to much stickout if they won't go inside the spindle
yeah it is less than .5
jmkasunich: it would make fast work of that if the tailstock reaches
but unfortunately the qctp makes the tool stick out to the left, which makes the tailstock have to reach more
* jmkasunich has started the packing list
this isn't really for cutting large stuff.
I know you know - I'm reminding myself mostly
bronze is a little tougher to cut than 360 brass too
still a lot nicer than steel
steel is not a problem, with patience
I've threaded SS too
you make steel wool?
yeah no kidding
I'm going to have to figure out how roughing passes should work
it's a pain to program that
[03:02:47] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.dyndns.org/pics/blue_chips.JPG
not steel wool
not SS either
nice chips though
the table fits under the chuck?
I have to put the post on the left, because it doesn't on the sherline
by about 0.030
scary - the jaws can easily stick out
oh, actually it fits under the ~8" dia faceplate by 0.030
it fits under the 6" chuck by more ;-)
I think the faceplate is a tad under 8", because I'm turned it down to get the 0.030 clearance
speaking of packing for the workshop
who wants an HP LPR server?
dual P3 600MHz, 768M ram, 2x18G scsi drives
I think I have breezy on it, but its been a while since I fired it up
that'd rock for my upcoming mill
3.5" tall, 19" wide, about 26" deep
pci slots of course?
oh it's a rack thing?
is it mouseproof?
I think so, unless they're little tiny meeses
do you know if it's ok for realtime?
I think so, but its been too long to remember the details
I sure didn't have access to a SMP RT kernel back then
I'll take it if you're sure you don't need it
[03:11:08] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.dyndns.org/pics/lpr-server.jpg
its yours, as long as you take both of them
(the other one is for spares, the mobo had a problem, but it has power supply, disks, and lots of other bits and pieces that could be used to keep this one in service longer
there are three PCI slots
the video is onboard and truly crappy, but nothing a matrox won't fix
and a matrox millenium II!
I can see it from here
heh. I guess I already fixed that
(I have lots of those too)
keep it if you need it
don't want it
jepler will sure scowl but I'll take them
I had great plans for it, but time passed those plans by, and now my tolerance for loud fans has dropped
I even have a pair of 800s that might work
I'm gonna stick one of my kvm cables on there and see if it fires up, and what distro is on it
don't work too hard for free
why would jepler scowl? you guys taking his car again?
and I'm sure it'll be full
hmm, this is disturbing
long pause at "uncompressing linux", eventually went on, then long pause at "checking if image is initramfs"
I'm trying to remember what I did with this thing
I think I was messing with raid and such silly stuff - thought I would use this as a server and compile farm (with VMs)
this was back when I was gonna use qemu as the VM
when I found out that 2x600xQEMU overhead was slower than the 200MHz real farm, I dropped the idea
"buffer error on sdb"
you have a few scsi disks laying around I think
I'll bring it, we can throw a dapper cd into it, install, and try the RT smp kernel
if it doesn't work, I'm sure we can find a dumpster at roland's place
X is starting (I rebooted, the first try with 2.6.12.something.smp didn't seem happy, but a differnt kernel is booting now
crap, don't remember username/pw
"SCSI bus reset detected" thats bad, isn't it? :-(
did you check the cables?
I didn't think bitrot affected hardware
the seem secure
booted into recovery mode, found out what my user name was and remembered the pw
X starts, but /home is empty
I think I was doing custom partitioning and raid foolishness for /home
it wants a fresh install is what it wants
if we can't get it working, we'll put it between two sawhorses and use it as a table
what else can I pawn off on^H^H^H^ give to my unsuspecting^H^H^H^H^H friends
I bet the disk problems are raid related
I don't think software raid would cause a scsi bus reset
may be two problems
but part swapping will surely fix it
during shutdown, immediately after "shutting down LVM groups" and before "stopping all md devices" I got another burst of SCSI errors
"power down" ;-)
that actually works on my new kernel - no choice, as some acpi is needed for powering up the processors
I'd like to see how that kernel works on the LPr
it worked on my Kayak
which I'm also planning to bring
damn, I'm going to have too many computers
this one, the new one (maybe I can finally move over the compile farm VMs), the Kayak, and the LPr
SWPadnos: are you still around?
cradek: did you ever solve your servo power supply softness problem?
it was more acceptable after I jumpered the transformer for 100v, but it's still not great
it'll cut stuff if I'm careful though
how many V are you aiming for? 24?
the driver is so lossy, probably more like 28
this one is 30 (unloaded)
[04:09:45] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.dyndns.org/pics/ps24v.jpg
got 3 of those, I can bring one
24V at 7.2A
assuming you keep the regulator part
there is a V.adj pot, bet you could turn it up to 28
won't fit in the box tho :-(
I have something like that too, even higher current I think, that's what I was using before
oh, I thought you were using a bench supply
no, some crazy open frame thing with a dozen voltages
some crazy thing that you intend to dedicate to the lathe? or could you make good use of one of these?
it would be nice to at least try it at fest
adds to list
I might, just barely, be putting a visible dent in the piles
if you look very very carefully
goodnight... (3 more days!)
I should go to bed at a sane hour too
need to fix the sleep debt before I spend a whole day driving
Guest843 is now known as skunkworks_
anyways... alex_joni: married life treating you ok? ;)
skunkworks_: yeah, been away from home most of the last 2 weeks
w/o the wife ;)
did you two have a honeymoon? or going to?
not yet, maybe sometime
skunkworks_: most probably honeyweek
any ideas of location yet?
jepler_ is now known as jepler
skunkworks_: not really