cradek: when you get around it.. I might have some notes about it
brb, rebooting a few more times
[00:02:13] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/01149939865
gotta crash now..
good night all
haha one of the cats gets upset at ceiling fans
she's a fruit-loop
our dog gives the fan the eye when it first starts turning....
"I'm not so sure about that thing...."
[00:28:46] <cradek> http://dan.drydog.com/patsyann/doghaiku.html
I sound the alarm!
yeah, he definitely sounds the alarm
don't need a doorbell
those are good
I showed you the cat haiku didn't I?
no I don't think so
I hate to laugh at her, since she's obviously very concerned, but it sure is funny
[00:31:14] <jmkasunich> http://www.rdrop.com/users/tierna/haiku.html
ah I remember: "New rule tomorrow"
hmm, I sure don't understand why alex's fix would fix it
but it also looks very related
do you really have to put bootsplash in there?
yes, I want it to continue to look like ubuntu
* jmkasunich longs for the good old days when booting computers told you what was going on in 80x25 black and white with no silly pictures
thankfully we're still free to have that on our systems
in the still-better old days, we had much better than 80x25 text consoles
I don't know why it bugs me so much - I almost never see it anyway, because I don't reboot often
* cradek is making an updated livecd
180MB of updates right after installing is just a little silly
although, might I make a suggestion?
wait until a few weeks (or less) before the workshop
that way we can give out disks there - dialup folks would especially appreciate it
or at least update it again then
we have a duplicator at work - I could make a stack with little effort
that would be nice
32MB (compressed) remaining on the CD
before fest we might want to think about what might be nice to add
cvs and a compiler
no way will the build deps fit
I didn't say build deps
the docs deps in particular (lyx and such) are not important
actually, none of them are important - you can always apt-get them
I don't see why the compiler is different
it's not much use if there's nothing you can compile
I know, thats why I said "none of them are important" I was basically retracting my statement
ah I misunderstood then
how big is cvs?
(its not listed under build-deps, if we find ourselves telling someone to get CVS (because of a bugfix), it would be nice to say "get build-dep, and do this cvs command, and you are good to go"
3140bytes, or K?
thats not small by my standard then, 3meg....
yeah I'm a bit surprised too
what about compressed size?
probably half that
I vote for adding it
ok I'll remember, not doing it right now (image is already building)
how different is this build from the standard ubuntu disk?
you had to take something out to make room for emc2, right?
different kernel, emc2 and maybe a couple other packages added
and all their updates
I removed winders binaries that were also on the CD
why were there doze progs?
pretty sure I didn't remove anything from the linux part
they wanted it to be useful when you stick it in a winders machine I guess
I guess they wanted people to see some free software, even if they're using winders
otherwise, replacing kernel is no net increase, and emc2 is not really very big
cool... I think I found my case: http://www.microcenter.com/byos/byos_single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0253819
$45 rebate, and a local store
it's hard to know without a pic, but the antec quiet cases are really good
(not sure if I've worked with that particular one)
[01:09:02] <jmkasunich> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=11-129-018-01.jpg%2c11-129-018-02.jpg%2c11-129-018-03.jpg%2c11-129-018-04.jpg%2c11-129-018-05.jpg%2c11-129-018-06.jpg%2c11-129-018-07.jpg%2c11-129-018-08.jpg%2c11-129-018-09.jpg%2c11-129-018-10.jpg%2c11-129-018-11.jpg%2c11-129-018-12.jpg&CurImage=11-129-018-03.jpg&Depa=0&Description=Antec+Solo+Black%2fSilver+Steel+ATX+Mid+Tower+Computer+Case+-+Retail
it has pics tho
I take it back - that's not the one
the one I like has rubber mounting on trays for the drives
and comes with a PS with temp sensing speed control fan
you mean rubber grommets for the screws, or rubber cords?
rubber grommets and special screws that tighten without squishing the grommets
the drive and screws do not touch the case
this one gives you a choice between grommets (and I assume the right screws) or cords
"suspension mount" they call it
[01:12:11] <cradek> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=11-129-155-14.jpg%2c11-129-155-15.jpg%2c11-129-155-03.jpg%2c11-129-155-16.jpg%2c11-129-155-05.jpg%2c11-129-155-06.jpg%2c11-129-155-07.jpg%2c11-129-155-13.jpg%2c11-129-155-12.jpg%2c11-129-155-08.jpg%2c11-129-155-09.jpg%2c11-129-155-10.jpg&CurImage=11-129-155-15.jpg&Depa=0&Description=Antec+LifeStyle+SONATA+II+Piano+Black+Steel+ATX+Mid+Tower+Computer+Case+450Watt+SmartPower+2.0+Power+Supply+-
this is the one
it's really nice for the price
I've heard good things about sonata too
the drives go in sideways on those trays
you can barely see the grommets in pic 9
$70 with PS (after rebate)
oh, very nice
the solo is 50 after rebate, no PS
I recommend you get the sonata
you have one?
no, but I'd get one in a second if buying a case
I have a lot of them at work
you've laid hands on them?
is there a filter for the main air intake?
no I don't think so
they pipe the CPU heat out the back, instead of into the case, which is kind of nice
thats what the black plastic is about?
yes it's a tunnel thing
(a little hard to get it situated)
this is the same thing, right? http://www.microcenter.com/byos/byos_single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0226775
I won't buy a case without hands in inspection... if uCenter has both, I can check them out
yes that's it
if I want the solo, get it there (rebate) if I want the sonata, newegg
the way the side opens is nice too
oh I just remembered - you can NOT fit a full height 5.25 drive in it
you mean the old 3" high ones?
(my tape drive is full size)
not gonna be a factor for me ;-)
that's actually a killer for me
I'll have one optical drive, and two SATA hard disks
what do you have that is full height?
(missed that line)
"cannot period" or "cannot without a saw" ?
looked pretty impossible, the rails weren't right
I forget the details
cradek: time for a newer dlt. we have on in the newer server that is cdrom size - dlt
you know how most things have 4 screw holes on each side? the DLT had two, and the rails assumed the "other" two
[01:22:20] <jmkasunich> http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=937&pageID=2397
- view of the solo's drive mounting
skunkworks: wow, that's hard to believe, the tape is almost that thick
jmkasunich: ah! same idea, but not sideways
(I like the sideways a lot)
sideways meaning 1" wide and 3.5" tall?
oh, meaning pull them out the side of the case
when you open the side door, you see the drive connectors
skunkworks: wow, the reason I don't have one is also right on that page
skunkworks: the model I have goes for like $50 on ebay
"only" $430 after rebate
cheap compared to losing data -- expensive compared to $50
cradek: what do you like about the side mount? wire routing? cooling? just easy to plug and unplug?
I Think I have a 40/80 dlt that is a double hight drive. started getting flakey
the silicone grommets: http://www.bjorn3d.com/Material/revimages/case/antec_solo/hd_cage.jpg
I think those are the same in the solo and the sonata
jmkasunich: the sideways is nice because you can see where the cables go to plug them in
is there a sharp bend needed to avoid the cable hitting the side of the case?
probably a non-issue with ribbon, they come out at 90 degrees anyway... but for sata, might be a problem
no, there's easily enough room for sata wires
sonota review: "this case has an easily removable, washable filter up front. It's very easy to remove, but it does pull out of the bottom of the bezel, meaning that you have to tip your case over on its side to get at it."
thats not "easily removable" in my book...
so far thats the only negative thing about the sonata that I've seen
I don't remember the filter, I'll have to look
I bet the plastic front doesn't easily come off (hence the bottom filter change), so you don't see the filter unless you really look for it
lol - talking about the blue LEDs on the sonata: "This will blind your pets"
sonata filter: http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q1/antec-sonata/filter.jpg
the reviewers filter with a couple months of dust: http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q1/antec-sonata/filter-dirty.jpg
the grill on the side (CPU) air intake on my case gets that dirty in a week
24x7 + basement = I want filters
whats odd is I've now read two sonata reviews, and nobody mentioned the plastic air pipe thingy
ah, now I see
the sonata II is the one with the pipe
(3rd review is a II)
yay, I can finally use my computer again...
so is it hare-brained schemes, or hair-brained schemes that I have?
[02:19:10] <cradek> http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-hai1.htm
dunno, tell me the scheme
good to know
take out my perfectly working PII machine and replace it with a PIII machine
out as in remove from case and build the new in the same case?
no, out as in set aside
the "new" one had latency problems when accessing the hard disk - but it was on a crazy raid controller so I ripped it out and am reinstalling
since I'm using the emc cd, I can run the latency test during the install!
you mean before the install proper, after you boot the live?
hey, I just had an idea!
actually while installing
you know the "install" icon on the desktop when you boot the livecd?
yay, looks like that fixed it
can you put an icon for the latency test there too?
so joe blow can stick the disk in, let it boot to live, run the test, and say "this computer, works, install" or "this computer sucks"
it might not be obvious, but it's surely possible
yep that would be great
(it's only two shell commands now, but your way would be much nicer)
whan I say "can you do" something, I mean "is it easy, or a pita"
it would be even nicer IMO to add it to the boot menu, along with "check disk", "memtest", etc
I'll try it when I work on it next, don't let me forget
but I bet thats a lot more pita-ey
yeah that's much harder
moral: if something says "smart" on it, remove that part before trying to use realtime
it has a wild "ethernet + ati video + adaptec scsi" card
linux has really arrived when it works on such bizarre hardware without any trouble
libpth is needed for sim, but not in build-deps
I bet it's in sim's build-deps
we have sim packages too?
I didn't even know that....
use emc2.1-sim instead of emc2.1
I used "apt-get install libpth-dev" ;-)
seems like that was the only thing missing, doing a sim make now
on the new install?
I haven't worked my way around to getting and installing the RT-SMP kernel
althought duh, I do have the RT UP kernel
(not running it at the moment tho)
jmkasunich, aren't the accel settings in the ini file in user units per second squared?
hmm, so why are the settings on the mazak ini file so low?
what are they?
I calculate 3g continuos with a 500 lbs load for my machine
just conservative I suppose - that machine has only cut a few parts so far
do you really want to subject a machine to 3G?
so that's 9.8 m/sec^2 * 3 * 39
not without jerk limit
but 20 ips^2 seems really low
I would reserve most of the thrust on my machine for cutting
whats top speed? 5ips (= 300ipm)?
on what, the mazak?
you have the ini open, I don't
so zero to full speed in 1/4 second
well that can be a long distance when you have short segments
it's not like you're rapiding the full table length
thats not an HSM machine
its not like you're cutting at 300 ipm either
yeah, I think it's box ways
4000 RPM max spinde, 4 flutes, 0.005 chip load per flute = 80 ipm
true, but I was thinking more contour following at speed that straight line
I just pulled the 0.005 out of my rear, but it seems reasonable or even high (for small cutters)
cradek, you have an A axis?
at 60 ipm cutting speed and 20 ipss accel, you can make a 0.010 radius turn without slowing down (if I did the math right)
this is sad: the compile time for sim on this box is 7:11 real 6:18 user 0:43 system.... with the VMs running, my main box isn't any faster
what settings does emc use on an angular axis?
is the velocity and accel angular?
the units are chosen in the inifile
I think the sample configs use degrees
you could use radians if you wanted ;-)
yes, but is it angular velocity and accel?
for a rotary axis? yes
linear doesn't make sense on a rotary axis
or does it calc surface velocity at cutting tip?
I have it at angular
it doesn't know the distance from tooltip to rotary axis centerline
I have to figure out what the gearing is on my rotary, I think I'll leave it for later as I have to make a pulley for it anyhow
cradek: this is a stupid question, but what is abort in axis?
the pause? the stop?
I heard that mach uses surface velocity, you think it assumes the rotary axis center is at Z=0?
petev: no idea
or, the stop button (square)
well sim works (no surprise there)
I thought you had your machine running already for a minute there ;-)
where is that rtsmp kernel?
yay, my 'new' box is working too
do I add that path to sources.list and then apt-get install them?
just download them and dpkg -i [files]
what was that I saw in the mazak about enabling adaptive feed?
there was some g-code to do it
is it not enabled by default?
so the pin on motion does nothing without executing that g-code first?
its just a single g-code (m code actually I think)
hmm, why is it that way?
because you only want some of your EDM cuts to be adaptive, and that's all we had in mind when we put it in
the default pin value is zero, and zero adaptive feed = machine ain't movin
you can put the enable g-code in the "initial g-codes" section of the inifile to make it enabled on startup
I think it's 1
but that lets the op turn it off, and that could be bad if you use it for other things
why not default it to 1 ?
(I think it is)
not sure about that
I was planning to use it for spindle, tool change, and to limit speed when limit override is pressed
I don't want to be able to disable that in g-code
for every case where an operator turning it off could bite you in the ass, theres a case where having it on unexpectedly could bite you too
we can't make everybody happy
seems like a low level motion thing, not a g-code thing
I don't see any other feed overrides in motion
maybe I missed someting
the EMC boys need to be able to distinguish between moving to the right place moves, and cutting moves
only the latter use closed loop control of feed based on arc voltage
which is what adaptive feed was originally for
I think it would also be nice to have separate overrides for feed/rapid
there is also feedhold (but that can be disabled in g-code too I think)
most all modern controls have this
feedhold was a bit if I remember right
that comes up every so often... and it results in a argument that I'm not willing to have today
yes, a bit
why not have both, and you can tie them together in the gui if you like
RTH| lat min| ovl min| lat avg| lat max| ovl max| overruns
RTD| -1010| -1030| -125| 6068| 13155| 0
^^ 2x p3-800
not bad at all
yeah, that's without cpu isolation
what are the units?
so, you're really not gonna need my dual P3 box at the fest, are you?
today it looks like I'll probably bring this one
but if we're going to recommend emc/smp we both ought to play with it
so I'm glad you have one
where that train of thought was going is....
that's a nice case ;-)
[03:10:06] <jmk-kayak> http://images.ciao.com/ide/images/products/normal/414/HP_Kayak_XM600__1219414.jpg
I need a case...
its probably not as quiet as a sonata, but its not bad
if you part it out for the case, please don't tell me...
that would mean either no longer having the 2xP3 system, or finding another case for it (I probably have something around here that it could go in, that would be too noisy to run all the time)
like the gateway tower with the 1xP2 in it....
or the 7" high rackmount with the really loud fan
the PS will not work with your new board
I'll need a new ps regardless.. but if I can avoid buying a new case, thats 20 lbs less waste in the world
within 6 feet of me I have 2.5 systems that I don't use (the 2xP3 is 0.5, since I'm using it today)
I have 1.5 now (1.5 because it's the size of a bus)
thats all? or just all within 6ft?
it surely depends how you count - what constitutes a computer?
our novell server is a duel p2 600? I think that I put in an old compaq double wide case. used to have a 486 something in it.
something that if you turned it on would probably work
empty cases don't count
parts machines don't count
maybe just this 1.5 then
but probably a few old crap laptops too
I have the 7" high rackmount, with I think a P3-600 in it, runs win95
haven't used it in quite a while, I use a VM for easycad now
thats right by my mouse hand, under the main system
its horribly loud
then an old gateway P2 tower, I think somebody from my wife's church asked her to get rid of it
I really only saved it thinking I might use the case, but I bet its loud too
and then there's the XM600 2xP3-666
I have another 7" high rackmount case (empty) but its beyond 6 ft
one of the other file servers I can't bring myself to get rid of is behind the chair to the left. http://www.electronicsam.com/images/desk1.jpg
ah, a mini-fridge
need any floppy drives ;)
whats on the right side? are those hotswap drives?
used to have a bunch of 9gig scsi drives in a raid 5 config
I have some similar stuff, 18G even..... ;-)
I'd like to get a hot-swap carrier for a fat SATA drive, and use it for backup
you can get commodity drives at $80 for 200G or more
have two, one in the safe, one in the PC, and swap weekly
I must have always bought cheap hot swap trays - I have not had very good luck with them. (drives dropping out for no reason and such)
the ones I have are nice, from HP servers
but they won't work for sata (or even IDE)
and I'm NOT going SCSI
Recently I just mount the drives internally figuring I will just have to pop the case off and power down to swap them.
we don't work all weekend ;)
I want to back up a box that I don't turn off
[03:25:00] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/desk.jpg
and ideally the backup drive will be physically separated from the computer, even if only by 20 feet
looks like my bench
it is a bit cleaner now.. but not by much
going to have the fest-cam back up?
plugging it into my main system puts it in a bad place
I'd like to cover the main room
I'm assuming we'll be located like last year
hmm - central air seems to work at the new house.. :)
can you guys see http://jmkasunich.dyndns.org/
nothing to see here...
I see even less from a machine on my internal net
goes to your blog ok
from kayak I can ping it but firefox won't view it
duh, internal dns issue
that URL resolves to the internet side port of my router, which forwards incoming traffic to the actual server at 192.168.....
kayak doesn't access the router from the outside, hence no forward
if I use the 192 addy it works
now I've forgotten why I wanted to access that anyway
oh, messy bench pic...
ok, back to work... rebooting to SMP RT kernel!
cradek: does this kernel say "will now halt" instead of "power down" when its all done shutting down?
I am pretty sure my dapper says - 'will now halt'
but I'm sure I've seen that message before
oops, its not even your kernel, I'm shutting down the dapper 686-smp one
the breezy vms and older say "power down", thats what had me confused
wanted to make sure I didn't reset it too soon
you guys are working on a dual proccessor kernel for emc?
have you guys looked at Ingo Molnar's RT kernel patch and Xenomai?
looks like the patch is being integrated into the latest kernel releases
and the Xenomia API provides a portable layer to many RT kernel emulations
I have heard pretty good IRQ latency times for the patch
it might be possible to run stuff in user space
it makes the kernel preemptable and makes the critical regions very short
so far so good, building for RT now
we may at some point want an rtapi wrapper for that
although there are other issues with user space, like access to I/O ports
I guess we could make drivers setuid
yeah, that's a bit ugly
I think we would need real drivers with ioctl, devfs, etc.
having EMC's code in kernel space isn't pretty either
I disagree - "real" drivers are for linux, not for control
the idea of /dev/m5i20 makes my stomach turn
if the interface is good, I don't see an issue
I like to think of EMC's motion control/realtime code as an embedded application that happens to run on a PC
the code is MUCH closer to the hardware than any normal linux driver
well then it shouldn't require linux ;-)
linux is the bootloader ;-)
linux makes a great network stack and gui
I'm not sure about that, video and audio stuff is much higher bandwidth than motion control
my pragmatic side says there would have to be an advantage to such an invasive rewrite
I'm not saying that its not possible to do, I'm saying that the linux programming model is a lot more complex than what we use now
and that complexity buys an EMC style application nothing
just because one can doesn't mean one should
I think geting things in user space and not requiring a RT kernel and having normal drivers would be a huge improvement
yes, yes, no ;-)
normal drivers could leverage all of the normal kernel features
services of other drivers, devfs, procfs, etc.
to what benefit?
and all of the linux kernel features, of course
the shared mem is dangerous with meta data in it, and module load/unload seems a bit unstable
WARNING: /home/jmkasunich/emcdev/emc2head/src/trivkins: 'kinematicsForward' exported twice. Previous export was in /home/jmkasunich/emcdev/emc2head/src/genhexkins.ko
I haven't seen that warning before
I'm getting those too
new on this kernel?
the warning is right, fwiw
kbuild change I guess
I know its right, we load one and only one of those modules to provide the exported functionaity
I think I get the FE less often on this machine
1/10th of the time maybe
what config were you running when you had the abort nans?
sim/axis does it too
Can't write to /dev/rtai_shm - aborting
Realtime system did not load
scripts/realtime start fails
$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/emc2.rules
KERNEL=="RTAI_SHM" SYMLINK=="rtai_shm" MODE="0666"
sudo echo >foo isn't root when it writes to foo
dat's mo' better
well, a little
darned kernel parport
jmkasunich@kayak:~/emcdev/emc2head$ lsmod | grep parport
parport_pc 33264 1
parport 34248 3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc
$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/emc2
install parport_pc /bin/true
or use sim/axis
I must have a heat problem - the machine turned off during a compile
then when it boots, it helpfully says "A Critical Error occurred prior to this power-up"
... not what it WAS of course
only that it was "Critical"
what says that, bios?
"so critical that I was running around screaming, and forgot to write it down"
probably had some diagnostics installed in the original OS
whatever that was, years ago
I think I'll need to reboot to make parport_pc go away
parport_pc 33264 1
and I have to get to bed
non-zero user count, but no name
try killing lpd?
killed it, parport-pc still has one user
I'll either mess with sim, or go to be and boot tomorrow
ok, well goodnight
with the "install parport_pc /bin/true" line, that shouldn't happen again, right?
I think I'm going to sleep, reboot tomorrow and start fresh
if I get into it now, who knows how late I'll be up
position.txt saved my three nans, and it reloads that position
that's great :-)
trying sim, just to see
you just told it to run the splash, right?
I've hit esc 4 times about as it finishes the 'E', no funnies
ah, got it this time
I waited until it was in the 'M', doubt that had anything to do with it
I waited until it was in the 'M', doubt that had anything to do with it
is it running really slowly?
cradek: it happens here, maybe once out of every 2-5 aborts
I'll investigate more tomorrow
cradek: fixed the usplash thing?
there was/is a bug in the dapper make-kpkg which forgets to include vesafb into the initrd, which causes the missing usplash
and the fix on my page is supposed to work around that, by including the vesafb if it exists.
thanks, I saw your fix but I haven't done it yet
interesting - I built vesafb into the kernel
wonder if it has dependencies that I didn't build in
alex_joni: in this kernel, FB_VESA can't be a module
but I found another page that says what you do: on ubuntu it must be a module to work
ouch, stuart is going to have jogging by wireless joypad, hope he has his limits set right
oh.. cool :D
cradek: ok, then it's probably different for the 2.6.15
I hacked it into working (took the vesafb module stuff from 2.6.15-magma
new packages at the same url...
so you have vesafb as a module now?
sounds like quite a bit of hack to me :D
I bet it's a ubuntu hack
(since I didn't start from their kernel, I don't have their hacks)
yeah.. well I can tell you what the "official
" way to do it is..
but it won't be nice :D
apt-get source linux-source-...
that's a whole lot different from apt-get install linux-source
yeah there's a lot of ways to get (different) source packages
for the kernel
apt-get source gets you everything
it's a huge debian folder which allows you to build _all_ packages
i386, ppmc, sparc, arm, etc
with 3 debs / arch
hmm maybe some other time :-P
I tried it once..
gave up after 3 days of compiling
they actually have a clean source
and a folder full of patches
which get added during the build process
except that for breezy (when I tried) there were about 200 of them
so adding a couple more (rtai and whatever) will most likely get you where something fails..
hey do you have a windows machine with a floppy drive around?
or wait.. I have an USB floppy
is it handy?
[17:19:50] <cradek> http://h18004.www1.hp.com/support/files/server/us/download/18396.html
would you please do this stupid process and send me a raw floppy image?
(just hope I have a floppy around)
yay thank you
heh, that's a problem I'll have to
found the drive..
ok, it's writing to floppy now
do you have the incantation for dd handy?
dd if=/dev/fd0 of=filename bs=1k
should say 1440+0 at the end
cool, I think I fixed the problem with my machine turning off when it's busy: heat sink grease
hmm.. my vmware ubuntu doesn't have access to the floppy
but I found some shareware for doze
for floppy -> image
[17:28:41] <cradek> http://www.pamarsystems.com/raw.html
ah you were faster
if it doesn't work, I'll fire up my other ubuntu box
I'll start looking for a floppy :-)
OS/2 2.1 video drivers ... perfect
I used a network card driver disk
[17:33:24] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/cradek/
let me know if it works
it's the right size - always a good sign
does the kernal actally use both proccessors when emc is running?
skunkworks: yes, the realtime stuff is on only one, leaving the other free for AXIS
it makes a big difference here
Holy crap - that is cool
except emc doesn't work right :-)
I am sure you guys will get it :)
just a little bug I'm sure
ok I didn't fix the machine...
* cradek sighs
I have about 4 dual pentium II/III motherboards that could be used.
cradek: did the floppy work?
don't know yet - the machine turned off while writing it
yeck. Maybe a bad cpu?
I hope it will tell me why
"A critical error occurred prior to this power-up"
this is all it says, maybe these diagnostics read an error log
skunkworks: it turns off when very busy, so I suspect heat
cradek: I just generated one on the ubuntu box, and uploaded it to the same location
are they different?
arg, now I have floppy errors
guess the doze crap works afterall
* alex_joni uninstalls it
sorry about the spyware that probably came with it
don't think so..
my security suite is pretty ok
well.. you're mostly correct
So - will there be 2 different live cd's in the future then? one for single and one for multible?
skunkworks: my hope is that there will only be one, but it will use several processors if you have them
skunkworks: we'll need to see how well this works first
No pressure ;)
cradek: do you know when the new LTS will be out?
yeah lots of work to do
alex_joni: no I haven't heard
I heard feisty is really good
edgy was worse
I still like dapper...
hm, the floppy works, but I don't think it's what I want (error log viewer)
too bad :(
if you find any other let me know..
cradek: what is the motherboard?
it's a huge compaq proliant server
so it has ton of diagnostics in the bios?
hmm - is compaq still doing the hardrive partition for its bios utllities?
well you'd think so, but it looks like it's mostly run from inside windows
* skunkworks always though that was a pain.
I didn't see any sign of a diagnostic partition, but it's possible there was one
I think the disks were wiped before I got it thought
yah - I suppose you went to compaq's site to get the utilities?
the fact that it's HP nowadays doesn't really help either
well the biggest problem is I don't have windows
google says this one might help...
grr.. these people should learn about quickformat
cradek: any luck?
more floppy errors - found another one
* cradek is transported back to the bad old days
heh.. sure sounds like it
ok, booting it now
The BIOS32 Service to call the Event Log is not Present. ***EXITING***
yuck.. different mobo?
they called about 10 different machines "ML350"
ok, think I found a small makefile bug
when changing from non-rip to rip it doesn't properly rebuild the libraries
so one has to make clean and make for it to work
(which he should do in the first place anyways)
that's why I said small :)
hmm.. I love that my laptop has 3 buttons next to the touchpad
makes it easy to rotate in AXIS :)
cradek: got my mail?
yes, that's great
jmk-kayak: around tonight?
just finished dinner
I'm ready to try to start debugging this
my new machine never worked right, and I finally fried a part on it, so I put the old reliable one back!
what did you fry?
the power regulator for one of the processors
it's a little plug-in board
I have six of them - two worked until I screwed up, now one does
unfortunately 1 < the number I need for smp
I should bring you my 3.5" high smp machine
its very wide and deep - you could put legs on it and use it as a table for max
let's see what I can come up with by june... my "source" says he's getting another load of stuff from a big corporation soon, there may be server junk they can't use in there
haha a table
I bet you're even serious
I've seen some of that rack stuff
its about 24" deep
and 17" wide
nicely made - HP stuff
server grade stuff is cool - I wish the hotplug hardware I have worked with SATA
this one is 17x26x9
sounds the same except thinner
no, the long way is depth
must be a hernia to pick it up
no, I'm not sure what you call it
made to mount in rack tho? 9" is height, 17 is width?
where does ubuntu keep their darned menu items?
no, I don't see how you could get rails on it
I added kate to this box so I could start editing code, and want to add it to the applications menu
ah good luck
silly man, I know where grub's menu is, its the GUI shit I don't know
add an icon to the panel instead
cradek: I may have one of those regulators out of a proliant server at work. I will have to check though. (it was a dual proccessor machine but we never put in the second one)
rightclick / add to panel / custom launcher / ...
skunkworks: is it a p3?
I would have to look.
skunkworks: that would be really cool, thanks
I can paypal shipping if you can spare it
not a problem. I don't remember what series it was.
find out tomorrow
is this an HP machine?
I have a couple spare regulators for the 3,5" jobbie
it says compaq on it, but HP has taken over the line
I think they're all the same (for P3s)
"Deschutes VRM 8.3 2.5V adj out" on the back
Ppros had a similar thing but I'm not brave enough to assume it's the same
HP P/N 0950-3389
hmm, these only have compaq part numbers, no english text except "12v or 5v in"
the processors are 1.7v though
this one says 5V in
it fed a P3-600 or maybe a P3-450
your's are faster aren't they?
I don't know enough to say whether they're compatible
well, I'm gonna bring the 3.5 box(es) to fest, and I'll bring these too
but the whole family is 1.65 and 1.7v I think
I have 2 of the 3.5" chassis, one is a parts unit, it had a bad mobo
I'm about 95% sure the other one already has ubuntu installed on it
(I know I installed it on one of my SMP machines, I thought it was the kayak but found out differently yesterday, so it must have been the 3.5" one
it would be fun to play with cpu isolation and see what step rates we can get on a tuned machine
768M of ram IIRC
I don't think it has a parport tho ;-(
the fast thread is very predictable - it should be possible to run it almost all the time