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[17:00:52] <cradek> huh, I didn't know EMC_SET_DEBUG worked
[17:00:58] <cradek> maybe we should put that in AXIS
[17:05:19] <skunkworks> what does that do?
[17:05:50] <cradek> sets the debug output just like DEBUG= in the inifile
[17:06:02] <jepler> cradek: how do you want it to work? A submenu with 32 checkboxes? :-P
[17:06:14] <cradek> umm, that's what tkemc has...
[17:06:34] <SWPadnos> aren't only 10 or so of them used?
[17:06:38] <cradek> there aren't 32 - and we could pick just the sane ones
[17:07:01] <cradek> SWPadnos: yes
[17:07:01] <jepler> or support "all on" and "inifile value" as the two available debug levels
[17:07:19] <SWPadnos> all off, all on, and inifile value ...
[17:07:20] <cradek> jepler: I think I'd like checkbuttons - because I never know which bits to turn on for the thing I want
[17:07:37] <cradek> jepler: but like I said, just the sane ones
[17:08:52] <jepler> what header file defines them?
[17:11:14] <jepler> found it
[18:37:10] <SWPadnos> oh now that is a hoot
[18:37:25] <SWPadnos> Alex's reply to jmk's reply to jon's FUD about Mesa
[18:37:38] <jmkasunich> yeah
[18:40:07] <skunkworks> * skunkworks thought it was our alex for a second.
[19:04:34] <cradek> fwiw, I think elson's statement is totally fair.
[19:05:22] <cradek> in particular I don't see any "badmouthing"
[19:05:39] <jmkasunich> "the 5i20 just hasn't been tried yet" is bullshit
[19:06:13] <cradek> your text, which he quoted, was talking about the 5i20 plus his own servo amps.
[19:06:39] <cradek> he says that hasn't been tried (which is probably true) but someone is trying it soon and we'll see how it goes.
[19:07:15] <jmkasunich> maybe I misinterpreted it as saying the analog servo 5i20 is untried
[19:07:45] <jmkasunich> I just wish the whole group buy thing had stayed off the users list
[19:07:54] <cradek> I think you did misunderstand - in the context of the quote
[19:08:13] <cradek> I wish that too...
[19:09:52] <jmkasunich> the text he quoted said "use all jon's stuff, or use 5i20 with analog", and he followed that with "5i20 is untested", implying (to me at least) 5i20 analog is untested
[19:10:41] <cradek> ok, this is nmfp
[19:10:47] <jmkasunich> yeah
[19:14:37] <SWPadnos> err
[19:14:43] <skunkworks> I would love to post a message praising the virtues of emc2 and how powerful and easy it is (and how helpful the developers are). But I think it would just come off as leg humping.
[19:19:25] <cradek> jepler: some of them do come on, and I think they may be right
[19:19:50] <jepler> OK good
[19:23:37] <skunkworks> hmm maybe wb9mjn could write up his experiences on the user list :)
[20:29:36] <SWPadnos> it looks like we'll be doing the PayPal thing. Peter said that he prefers to do one invoice, though they'll drop-ship
[20:29:43] <SWPadnos> I'm asking for some clarification right now
[20:32:02] <SWPadnos> jmkasunich, did Greg ever send you his info?
[20:33:14] <jmkasunich> nope
[20:33:19] <jmkasunich> I guess he loses
[20:33:27] <SWPadnos> ok, so we'll assume that the list as it stands is complete
[20:34:33] <SWPadnos> so I make it as 15 5i20, 5 7i30, 7 7i31, 8 7i33, and 14 7i37
[20:34:55] <SWPadnos> I may have to get that 4C81 after all ;)
[20:35:09] <jmkasunich> matches what I have here
[20:35:13] <SWPadnos> ok
[20:35:26] <SWPadnos> I'll let Peter know the totals
[20:38:33] <cradek> wow that's a lot of cards
[20:38:47] <SWPadnos> heh, 49 unless I add one more to make an even 50
[20:39:06] <SWPadnos> $3760 at the discounted rate
[20:40:16] <SWPadnos> hmmm - I need to see if I'm allowed to get more than $1000 or $2500 via PayPal per month...
[20:40:40] <skunkworks> that could be bad ;)
[20:40:44] <SWPadnos> heh
[20:40:55] <SWPadnos> and I'm not willing to offer the difference as an even better discount ;)
[20:41:19] <jmkasunich> I can send you a check instead
[20:41:29] <cradek> me too
[20:41:30] <skunkworks> dads a big ebay seller. I don't think he has an issue. He has sold some pretty big ticket items.
[20:41:31] <jepler> I wanted to send a check too
[20:41:45] <SWPadnos> ok. checks are fine
[20:42:37] <jepler> let me know when you have a total
[20:42:45] <jepler> with shipping or whatever
[20:43:03] <skunkworks> same here. (with the papal %)
[20:43:18] <SWPadnos> will do. I'm giving Peter the overview now. I'll have to contact sales with the addresses to get a final cost
[21:17:49] <SWPadnos> well, I can't seem to find a limit on my PayPal account, so I think there isn't one
[21:18:07] <SWPadnos> it is a verified business account, so that may be a reasonable assumption
[21:30:01] <alex_joni> jepler: just came in
[21:30:09] <alex_joni> jepler: how about a slider for DEBUG level?
[21:30:36] <SWPadnos> that wouldn't allow you to enable a high debug option while leaving a lower one off
[21:30:36] <jepler> this is for the emc debug stuff, which is a bunch of bits
[21:30:49] <jepler> not a level like rtapi is
[21:31:05] <alex_joni> but you could treat it like a number
[21:31:17] <alex_joni> users should care about 0, 1, 3, .. fffff
[21:31:26] <alex_joni> at least that's how you specify it in the ini
[21:31:31] <alex_joni> so 3-4 steps should be enough
[21:32:16] <cradek> alex_joni: that would make sense if the debug test were if(debug>constant) but I don't think it makes sense for a set of bits
[22:11:55] <alex_joni> jepler: is home-all a different NML message?
[22:13:06] <cradek> I think it's home(-1)
[22:16:12] <alex_joni> ok, that shouldn't be too hard to add (without breaking things)