(laggy connection ;-)
I really need to figure out a better way to manage computer upgrades
I was just digging thru my old home directory
which contained a copy of an even older home directory
as I see it, there are two options: keep your home directory forever, or back up the old ones after copying off what you immediately need, and forget about them until you want something
somehow I wound up with my latest install on a 6G drive, while the 80G drive containing my previous install is usually not even mounted
I do the same thing with paper files - if they're old, I put them in a box and stash it away forever, confident that I can dig through them if I really need to.
yeah, thats a reasonable solution
my main mess is because the current install is on a tiny disk
it's pretty easy to move an existing install to a new disk...
I think that was my "I think I'll try this ubuntu thing and see if I like it" install
does the new disk need to be blank? or can I preserve some of the data on it?
with the strategy I have in mind, it should be newly formatted
problem is, the total size of the data I want to preserve is greater than the size of the 6G drive
so I can't wipe the whole 80G one
tell me what you want to do, maybe I can suggest something
I have my current breezy install, on a 6G disk
2 partitions, 6G / and 300M swap
the other disk is partitioned out the ying-yang
I think it had /boot, /tmp, /var, /home, and /
or something like that
all the stuff I want to preserve is in /home on the old disk
could I wipe (and maybe consolidate) the other partitions?
sure, especially if home is at the beginning or end
/home (old) is 40G
its at the end
is it a primary partition?
Disk /dev/hda: 80.0 GB, 80060424192 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9733 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 * 1 15 120456 83 Linux
/dev/hda2 16 499 3887730 83 Linux
/dev/hda3 500 999 4016250 83 Linux
/dev/hda4 1000 9733 70155855 5 Extended
/dev/hda5 1000 4499 28113718+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda6 4500 4599 803218+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/hda7 4600 9733 41238823+ 83 Linux
hda7 is the old home
I'm not sure what the others are, I could mount them and look around
hda1 is /boot of the old system
ok you would have to keep 4 (5,6,7) but you could nuke 1,2,3
that would get me 8 gig
how much stuff on home?
(this is easy for me, I'd back up home to tape, nuke the disk and install, then restore home)
old home is about 3 gig
oh that's tiny, can you just save it somewhere on your network?
current disk (hdb) only has 540M free
no other networked machines available?
the farm disks are even smaller
hda is the only 10G+ disk I own
hmm, you could nuke/ignore 1,2,3 and install to 5,6
thats pretty much what the old install was
1 was /boot
do you have a dvd writer or anything else that can back up 3G?
I think 2 and 3 were /tmp and /var
but that would suck
yeah CDs are too small for backups today
so I guess you could just install to it partitioned like it is
you know, if I'm gonna do this, I should install dapper
no doubt about it
dapper _will_ want to put some new stuff (lots of hidden files) in my home directory
dunno if the existing hidden files will cause grief
I don't know either
the other partitions could be wiped, they're a non-issue
I suppose that's another reason to keep only what you need from an old home directory
I could move everything that is actually _mine_ (not hidden config crap) into subdirs
then wipe the hidden files from the home dir
the other thing you might consider is getting some kind of backup device, which you probably need anyway, first -- then this becomes easy.
I don't know what to do for backup
I'm not telling you what to do, but just an approach to consider
that would mean waiting quite a while
the only local computer store is Microcenter, they don't seem to have tape drives or anything like that
besides, tapes and drives that will back up a $50 hard disk cost more than the disk
you're probably stuck with ebay or something
I've been leaning towards the "use another disk" approach
yeah that is definitely good enough for some common kinds of failures
anyway, lets assume that I'm not gonna tackle the backup issue today, cause I'm lazy
I want to install dapper, using hda (my existing breezy install is on hdb, and should be able to remain untouched
just need to be darned sure that dapper doesn't wipe my old home directory in hda7
so, do I just download and burn the dapper iso, then boot it, and use the custom partitioning tools?
the install lets you choose manual partitioning, then lets you partition (you'll probably do nothing at that step), then asks which partitions to format and use for various mount points
it will install grub on hda's boot record with extra entries that boot the hdb system
how will it know about the hdb system?
it presumably checks the partition types, and snoops around if it finds linux partitions
but I can tell it "hands off" those partitions
yes you tell it which partitions to format and mount for the install; it doesn't mess with the rest.
my main fear is that if I tell it "use hda7 for /home" it will try to format that partition, and install a brand spanking new /home tree on it
I'm tempted to wipe hda5 (28.1G), then split it into 28G hda5 and 100M hda8
then don't tell it to use hda7 for anything when installing; you can mount it later
then tell dapper to put /home on hda8
you don't need to tell it anything about home, it'll end up on /
right, just realized that
(a common install is just / and swap)
thats what the breezy install it
and in hindsight, thats probably the smartest way to install
that's a huge "depends"
separate /tmp and /var is a server thing, kinda overkill for a desktop I think?
yes probably overkill
how do you have your system(s) partitioned?
my desktop is a mess, since it has several OS on it
well, I'm not gonna get very far tonight - by the time the iso is downloaded it will be time for sleep
I like to keep all my partitions smaller than a tape, and I prefer to leave unneeded space on a large disk unpartitioned for flexibility later
how big is a tape?
the ones I use are 35G uncompressed
I see the vast majority of my disk usage being in /home
do you mount more than one partition for your /home tree?
no I never have
you're /home is less then 35G?
oh way way less
I guess mine is too
but it keeps growing
this whole exercise started because I was gonna start the vmware install this evening
home here is 8G and I have lots of large emc-live-cd stuff in it
each virtual machine is a huge file, and I was gonna stick them in my home dir
do I win anything?
not from me...
you do realize those VM files are mostly empty space right? (they don't take up all the space they say in the directory listing until you actually fill them)
so even if you make 8G VM drives, they will take up about 2G on disk if the install inside them takes 2G
but complete installs are closer to 4G than 2 these days
and I'm going to have several of them
I'm not worried about filling the 40G hda7
but I'll put a dent in it
my nice virgin dapper install with emc2 compile environment and some other things is right at 2.5G
well plus swap I guess
I'll have to keep that in mind for the next system (or disk)
(small partitions, and don't partition the whole thing)
for now, since I have data on hda7, I don't want to fsck with it (or fdisk with it ;-)
fwiw I tried to shrink an existing linux partition with the dapper install and it did NOT work
so I can't recommend anyone try that
I already decided not to try that
the problem for me may or may not have been trouble reading the CD though.
the 28G / partition is gonna be huge overkill, but that means I can apt-get * and not run out
yeah you'll never fill that
ok, now I have nothing in my old /home/John except directories
so ubuntu can stick hidden files and config stuff wherever it wants
actually, that won't even matter
because the new install will be user john, not John
you could copy your 3G of stuff to the new / partition, then nuke all of that old extended partition
you mean after the install?
then what? leave /home mounted on the 28G partition, and leave the 40G unused?
you could even make an 8G root, install everything to it, copy your 3G into it, then nuke everything else and make one huge partition for home, or whatever
8G would be a nice size for root, if you expect to have most of your stuff in home.
root needs to be big enough for anything and everything I install from repositories, right?
is there any real benefit to having a /boot partition?
on a modern machine it's not needed
it's a hack to let the bios load what it needs to boot, even though it can't see the whole disk
it was because of the 1024 cylinder limitaton of older bioses?
something like that I guess, there have been lots of various limitations
right at the beginning has always been the safest place to try I guess
so, I could take hda1, hda2, and hda3 and combine them (that would be about 8G)
but especially if your root isn't huge, and it's at the beginning, there's no need to worry
that should be enough for just about anything I might want to install from the repo's
that lets you not touch the extended until you can get stuff off of it
I copy the 3G from hda7 to home....
I need a swap partition for the install
right now thats part of the extended
once I repartition, home won't be part of root
tmp and var will
or swap to the one that's there, and you can easily do without swap long enough later to move it
and IIRC, vmware wants a large /tmp
you can do without swap?
you can move swap?
in linux, yes
yes, just turn off swap, make a new swap partition, mkswap it, then turn swap back on
well I'll be damned
and I'll be asking you questions when its time
ok, that sounds like a plan
it's easy as long as you don't do the wrong thing in fdisk :-)
I should be able to do much of the fdisking now
I don't want to touch hda4-7
but I want to combine hda1 thru 3 into a single hda1
can I safely do that while hda7 is mounted?
you could, but I'd just do it at install time
you may have to reboot after repartitioning because the new table is not reread
let me see if I have this right: my initial install will have /home as part of /
can someone check my work? http://pastebin.ca/223783
I mount hda7 somewhere under /home/john, and copy my old stuff to somewhere else on /home/john
I will, in a minute
then I repartition hda4-7 into whatever... a huge /home or something
I mount that under /mnt or something (temporary)
copy my new /home/john in to /mnt
then how do I make the transition to having the new big partition as /home?
change fstab and reboot?
yes, or mount it while john is logged out
login as root?
which ubuntu makes inconvenient
yeah root has a home directory at /root for this kind of reason
oh just reboot, why bother
well, I looked at the pastebin
but what I know about g-code arcs would fit on the head of a pin
it seems quite reasonable to me
but if you want someone to actually _check_ it, that ain't me
IJ is the incremental distance to the center of the arc, based off the starting coordinate
I'm not so sure the arc is illegal
the X coord is the same as the start, but the Y isn't
so there is a non-zero radius
initial xy = 0.817,1.406
final xy = 0.784, 1.448
center xy = 0.817,1.439
so its not obviously bogus
need to calc the distance from start to center, and end to center
ok you're right
0.34mumble from center to end
G1 F100 X0.817 Y1.406
G2 X0.784 Y1.448 I0.000 J0.034
in fact, this code is accepted
cradek: oops, I missed that you were working on this too
what about J0.033?
J0.033 is what the poster had and what I meant to paste
experimentally I changed it to 0.034 and that's what I had in my paste buffer
wonder if these are inch or mm for him
34 is accepted, 33 (what the OP had) is not
probably inches, being so small
he said something about inches elsewhere in the message
ok glad I didn't reply with my bogus answer
under G21, 33 is accepted, because the tolerance check is different
I'm not absolutely sure that 2.0.3 and CVS don't differ, I think we tweaked something about arc tolerance after the branch
I think that was backported
no it looks like the arc tolerances are the same
axis should show .001 in mm mode then shouldn't it
wonder if that's a simple format string fix or will it mess up some alignments
I just noticed that velocity doesn't pay attention to display units
I'm fixing it
I like your 'best practices' - had not seen it before
I hope it's all good advice :-P
I wanted to argue with your modal settings section, but my argument was wrong (I checked the spec)
which part of it were you worried about?
all those things together sure contravene the next rule
where is this best practices doc?
I remember "something" can only take four gcodes per line. I thought it was emc but I'm wrong
jmkasunich: near here: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gcode/main/#SECTION00810000000000000000
cradek: I always wondered why the preamble for the ngc files generated from eagle looked like that, but I never changed it
maybe it was maxnc
printf("G64\nG17 G20 G40 G49\nG54 G80 G90 G94\n");
yep I'm sure I wrote that
"oh well, I don't understand g-code so I'll just copy this..."
the encoder on a stepper discussion is interesting
basically they are moving in the direction of treating a stepper like a 50 pole permanent magent AC motor and doing vector control on it
oh noes, it's after 10PM!
I gotta look at the vmware docs... I think there might be some advantages to putting the vm "disks" in their own partition(s)
one more thing to mention before I leave
cradek pointed at a patch to make arc tolerance an inifile detai
why not make it a #-variable? That way, the tolerance comes with the program, not with the machine
I could almost support that idea
#[arctolerance] = 0.0002
0.0002 what? mm or inch? ;-)
G20 #[arctolerance] = 0.0002
so program units, whatever they are at the moment?
that's how everything else works, seems like that would be the obvious way to do it
(not that I'm sure it's a good idea at all)
and if you encounter a G21 later, the number in the #var would remain 0.0002, but it would now mean 0.002mm?
0.0002mm I mean
no, I think it would change to .00508
again I think that's how everything else works (feeds for instance)
so if you write out the var file after a G21 the numbers in the file all change?
no, distances in the var file are (now) written in inifile units always
are are var file variables _all_ assumed to be distances?
could get wonky if someone uses a #var as a loop counter
face it, units suck
only the ones that the spec says are distances controlled by the interpreter
hey don't shoot the messenger
I'm not shooting anybody...
but sure, I agree
for a good time read how the spec handled this before I said it was stupid and "fixed" it
the tool table is still stupid IMO
when considered as a "programing language" (ie, using variables, etc, not just G0 X<constant> Y<constant>", g-code falls somewhere short of Z-80 assembly language
at least assembly lets you name variables
as bad as it is, it works for controlling a mill
mostly because few people use the X<constant> mode
sometimes I think anything else is just a parlor trick
I'm fond of my slot and hole milling routines, but mostly because they're such neat tricks
I should go to bed before midnight today...
its not even 10:30
well, I managed a neat trick
I printed out some vmware manuals at work
managed to punch one chunk of the manual on the wrong side
so the page numbers went: 20, 21, 22, 66, 65, 64, 63....25, 24, 23, 67, 68, 69
a bit confusing until I figured it out
sometimes I wish for a duplexer at home, but I print so rarely
but for some manuals, its hard to beat paper
usually I'll trade paper for hyperlinks
btw, by default vmware pre-allocates the full size of the virtual disk, it doesn't grow as you fill it
I bet it performs better that way
because there is less sector remapping needed
virtual size: 4.0G (4294967296 bytes)
disk size: 4.0G
hmm, you're right
vmware gives you the option of not doing that
file format: vmdk
virtual size: 10G (10737418240 bytes)
disk size: 1.8G
looks like I used that option on the big one
they also give you the option of mapping a virtual disk direct to a partition, instead of to a file
dunno what the pros and cons of that are yet
well in theory you could boot it, but in practice that probably won't work very well because all the "hardware" is different
for something like freedos maybe it would be fine
but even then you might want networking which would have the same problem
I think using files would be a safer approach
especially if I get a faster or dual-core box someday
move the files to the new box, and presto
if they are partitions, much messier I bet
have you tried vmware yet? it's much faster than qemu ever was
yeah I wouldn't recommend using real partitions
I didn't have enough disk on hdb to set up a VM
thats how this evening's excersize got started
are swapon and swapoff used to control swapping?
the man page implies that you always specify a device, not just on and off
or -a probably
(to read fstab)
so the process would be:
edit fstab to call out the new device, and not call out the old one
(after doing mkswap on the new)
or just reboot
if rebootting, do I still need to swapoff before editing fstab?
[03:35:43] <cradek> http://sharon.esrac.ele.tue.nl/pub/antenne/13-double-quad.jpg
antennas are magic to me
are you a ham?
I've considered doing it to make myself learn about antennas etc.
I had a ham license a long time ago
I don't like things being magic
so you passed a test with antenna stuff
then I realized that I was only interested in the radio, and ham is really about _talking_ on the radio, not _working_ on the radio
the tests have almost no technical requirements
and its possible to be a ham without building a single thing
not only possible, but very common now
I've built some receivers that stumbled upon amateur bands, but listening to them grouse about their wives is boring
well that's not interesting to me at all
I'm interested in the history of radio so I'd want to build and operate early sets
do you ever listen to shortwave on new years eve? seems they all switch to code
when I was into it, they used code more often than just new years
I was about 16 when I first got a license
is that 70s?
forget how old you are
so all transistor by then
I graduated high school in 80
but I was interested in tubes, and I had lots of older books and such
I have a few of those too
I fixed old radios for a while, it was fun, but the only good AM station here switched to a sports format, so I lost interest
radios were magic to me for a long time, so I tackled it, glad I did
can you take a look at http://pastebin.ca/223870
oops, I think I need to delete the temporary /home before the reboot (it will be hidden by the new /home after the reboot)
before you mount ov .... yeah
was just typing that
that's the only problem I see
and mkswap /dev/hda2 after fdisk /dev/hda
oh I see it
I probably want to do su root before I delete my home dir?
then reboot right after that
well you probably don't want to be logged in
* cradek shrugs
thats what I mean
just deleting everything in it is good enough
or you could use single user (recovery?) mode
whatever they call it nowadays
[03:49:57] <jmkasunich> http://pastebin.ca/223873
I know you can't make full backups, but if there are a few very critical things, consider copying them somewhere before you start
well, most of the recent stuff is on hdb1
that will be hard to screw up unless you mkswap the wrong partition or something.
I'll be doing mkswap on hda2, so hdb1 is a pretty severe typo
you are smart to make a plan so you have all the partition numbers in front of you
if I'm really smart I'll remember to print it on paper before I start
the dapper iso is still only 75% loaded
so I'll tackle this tomorrow
I still print my dmesg before I reinstall because of the old days when you had to know all your irq and dma numbers
I think I'll add some more detail to the plan (like looking up the options for the various commands)
then pastebin it again for review, before I print it out and get started
heh that reminds me the other day I found some old notes for an early linux install:
sda1 DOS 40MB
sda2 Linux 267 MB
sda3 Linux swap 23MB
hda1 Linux 5MB
hda2 DOS 150MB
times they have changed...
I can't imagine what the 5MB on hda1 was
maybe something I needed to boot
maybe so, or maybe it was actually the root partition
these were full size drives of course, a 340 SCSI and a 160 ESDI
I think that was my amazingly fast 386/40
I think one of my first vmware guests is gonna be win95
that'll run very nicely I bet
didn't we do that at fest??
so I can install easycad
never got networking to work right
and some other issues
it was messy
I remember that now
something was wrong with the video too I thin
right now the only way I move things between w95 and the rest of the world is by emailing them
which works fine for the occaisional drawing
not so good for bulk data
the only thing I use that box for is Kasunich Engineering bookkeeping (invoices and such) and drafting
the invoices are just excel spreadsheets, I bet gnumeric will handle them just fine
yeah I bet
hmm.. one nice thing about w95 is pdf995 - its a printer driver that prints to a pdf file
great for mailing invoices, etc
dunno how easy that is under linux
I put together very nice looking invoices in LaTeX but they're not trivial to edit if you're not a LaTeX user already
does it do the math and everything?
making ps or pdf is pretty easy in all modern linux apps I bet
no I think I didn't bother to make it do the math; for me it was always just adding a couple round numbers
my invoice spreadsheet is 4 pages
I do data entry on the first page - buyer info, etc, plus what they ordered, price, and quantity
the next three are the printable ones
shipping label, packing list, and invoice
all get their data from the first page
I did envelopes too, but I don't remember how I did shipping labels, it's been a while
my stuff doesn't fit in envelopes
(or do you mean envelopes for the invoices?)
haha, for the invoices
I should do something like that
but I don't want to screw around figuring out how to run envelopes thru the laser
I would stick the envelope in and type "make envelope" - very unix geek
maybe just print the address on a piece of paper, scissors and clear packing tape to the envelope
or use a pen :-)
I use a pen now
but a printed address is a little more "pre-fessional"
you just drag it around the paper to form marks in the shape of letters
openoffice (all the apps, AFAIK) can directly export PDF files, no printer driver needed
[04:27:14] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek/01161921561
the thought of "CD-ROM World" really makes me snicker today
for a while people bought a caddy for each new CD too, he had a big pile of them
I can't seem to find md5sums for the ubuntu isos
(download finally finished)
they're there somewhere
male pattern blindness
oh hell, am I going to get that too?
they match! yay!
jepler: is the setting for DTG (if it's on or off) supposed to be remembered between EMC2 sessions? (as it is now, if one starts EMC2, enables DTG, and restarts EMC2 DTG will start off disabled)
distance to go, shows how far the axes will move untill the end of the current move. (dtg=sqrt(x^2+y^2+z^2)
wait.. more like dtg=sqrt((x-xcurrent)^2+(y-ycurrent)^2+(z-zcurrent)^2)
and a-axurrent, etc
are linear and rotational axes separated? they must be, right?
and they need to finish at the same time if there's a compound move
SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
Lerneaen_Hydra: no, none of that is remembered.
at least not by AXIS
he referred to x-position and y-position too
actually, that's a usability issue that may want to be tackled for 2.1
by "none of that" I meant the settings you can toggle on and off in axis
windows should come back where they were closed before
that, too :)
NO NO NO
it's the desktop environment / window manager's job to position the windows
I know - that's a window manager thing
did you say that just to tweak me, then?
heh - no
but I knew what you'd say *after* the nonono
do you know if Gnome has an option to remember where an application window was?
I know you can save and restore sessions
SWPadnos: somehow useable now :)
psd is a bit big :)
* alex_joni tried to export/rescale
[20:35:36] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/emc2_user_manual_cover.png
alex_joni: is that a front and back cover?
I really like that photo sam took at fest
wraparound, with a vertical break
yeah, left is back cover
I like it, but I think I'd change some of the wording
yeah I was trying to think of how to say that nicely
hopefully I managed that :)
I said I'm after constructive criticism :)
and I was wondering how to get out of having to suggest the new text
so "you suck" doesn't qualify then?
SWPadnos: you suck?
not really :P
I like the penguins, it's kind of a visual pun
you need a new axis screenshot too :-)
cradek: send one over
I have only some with problems :)
one thing I considered is that in the top text block, people looking at the cover don't know the names ofthe GUIs
like the off-path
oh yeah get a new axis screenshot indeed
SWPadnos: I think only people who know emc2 will want this
that's true - it won't be sitting on store shelves any time soon ;)
but even users of emc2 don't generally know about the "other" GUIs - other than the one they use
[20:45:56] <alex_joni> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/axisubuntu.png
<- this any better?
somehow I agree that it's not of the most important features
[20:46:28] <SWPadnos> http://www.cncgear.com/images/Screenshot.png
EMC2 is a flexible machine controller. It is being used to control mills, lathes, plasma and laser cutting tools, punches, and more.
guess I'm _very_ open to text & wording suggestions
It can be used to control?
cradek, I like that
I guess the overriding thing that gets me is that there are comparisons to something (nicer, new), but it's not clear what (emc?, Mach? Allen Bradley?)
and it may be unimportant to use comparison words in this context
if we want to say things are new, maybe we want "EMC2 now has"
but actually, none of those things are new in v2.1.
or in emc2, for the most part
I think there was a CL implementation for emc
that's news to me
it never worked in emc1
paul has done some threading work, though I'm not sure it's done
SWPadnos: never seen that
only work on the interp, and that's in emc2
he said it was done, but nobody ever saw it, even before he ran off
[20:50:56] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/files/sandbox/axis.png
I don;t know if it was ever released
here's another circuit board screenshot with today's axis
[20:52:01] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/files/sandbox/axis2.png
maybe a lathe screenshot with a tool shape would be niftier
I like the first one better
[20:53:06] <alex_joni> http://axis.unpy.net/files/01151519310/axis-lathe-tool.png
it would be nice if all the controls were enabled too
I have some lathe programs if you want
Lerneaen_Hydra: got an ubuntu running?
make a snapshot
DTG etc would be nice
[20:54:01] <skunkworks1> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Dapper.png
I can send the program otherwise (or just take a screenie tomorrow)
Lerneaen_Hydra: tomorrow works too
cradek: thanks for the wording
I'm still pondering the other sections
yeah, me too
also it would be nice if we could say/show which kind of "free" emc is
the free software world needs something like the "designed for windows xxx" logo thing
"designed for freedom"
you don't want that -- there would turn out to be some trademark problem that would make it unusable by debian
am I nuts or are you serious or both?
[20:59:10] <alex_joni> http://www.kde-files.org/content/pre1/44841-1.png
[20:59:18] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/files/sandbox/axis-lathe.png
"EMC2 has many exciting features and brings a lot of enhanced functionality: a flexilble and user-configurable Hardware Abstraction Layer; a software PLC controller; streamlined installation and updates; many sample machine configurations; a new trajectory planner; and more."
(redo of axis-lathe-tool.png)
hmmm - maybe too wordy
nuke 'a new trajectory planner'
"flexilble" is splled wrong
"we got rid of lots of irritating bugs" isn't really an exciting enhanced functionality
A working trajectory planner ;)
skunkworks1: the old one was perfectly good if you never did helical arcs
jepler: or cared if your machine constraints were wildly violated
err, and didn't care, whatever
I thought it also had problems with reversals - also sterility in men
SWPadnos: S&W says your items should be separated by commas, not semicolons
other than that I like your wording a lot
ok, changed tham
that leaves the top paragraph :)
I had a colon, so used semicolons as separators
wasn't cradek's line for the second paragraph?
duh - nevermind :)
I don't know how, but I read "top paragraph" as "middle paragraph" ;)
they are both above the bottom one
"Customizable user experience. Several user interfaces including Axis (left), TkEMC (bottom) and others to fit any user style"
is the text readable enough?
I'm not so sure about the blue now
I can ask my (graphic designer) wife later ;)
I have a bit of a problem with the blue on darker orange
she'll probably say "well, it looks like an engineer designed it" ;)
on the interfaces
yep - that is a little low contrast
you could put 3 horizontal rectangles on the back, one for each text/photo pair
use them to lighten/darken the background, depending on where they are
the orange and the blue text don't go well together
(I don't know if youhave a "lens" or "effect" tool with your drawing program)
artistically, it's probably not that good. technically, there's plenty of contrast over most of the image ;)
I darkened the text colour
and the photo sort of sticks out
IMO a render or something would fit in better
SWPadnos: that would look really "engineerish"
only if you have a graph paper pattern ;)
for the love of <deity> don't insert a lens flare...
* Lerneaen_Hydra hopes this does not come off sounding like a bash
for the first paragraph, AXIS is spelled AXIS
ok -I mis-capitalized it
cradek: of course it is ;)
hmmm - can you get a CD pouch in those books?
(am I the only one that mistakes the micrometer for a sickle?)
at least when the image is small
SWPadnos: that would be nice
* Lerneaen_Hydra gets lots of "OSS = communism" and "oss is unamerican" assosiations XD
what's the lead time on getting these printed?
ok, second version uploading now
SWPadnos: I would want before christmas
would make a good present for mayself
yes, for 2.1. I'm thinking of 2.2 and Fest/CNC workshop
is this going to be standard a dvd-size case?
Lerneaen_Hydra: standard book size
a bit bigger, I think
8.5 x 10.25 ?
oh, so it's for the physical manual & a livecd?
[21:20:13] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/emc2_user_manual_cover_v2.png
IMO a more neutral, toned down background is less harsh on the eyes
alex_joni: in the middle paragraph you have an extra )
in the bottom paragraph add a , before the last and
if you would like a screenshot to use you can take the one I took of that switch housing
it's hard to edit text at 15-20%
I don't like the top one being two non-sentences
this sentence no verb
I have to go
ok, later .. enjoy the weekend
thanks you too
see you later guys
I will.. will drive to the mountains tomorrow morning
[21:23:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=coveroe9.jpg
there's a dvd cover I made a while back, IMO the darker/more neutral background makes it easier to read
sorry.. didn't know it was by you :)
would have responded a bit better I think
* Lerneaen_Hydra is at a loss of what to say, but tries to convey a meaning of no offense taken, or something
Lerneaen_Hydra: it's not _that_ bad ;)
now that I closed the window, I start to like it
don't you try to make it sound better now :p
it's messy becuase you see all three sides, anyway the bit I meant was the back bit, maybe something like that (I'm just brainstorming here)
looks like I scared alex away
nah.. just getting sleepy
SWPadnos: let me know what your designer (wife) thinks :)
heh - will do
I'm sticking with my orange = teh icky (at least for backgrounds),that the text is still somewhat hard to read, and the photo sort of sticks out (maybe a border around all images/screenshots?), but otherwise is a good base
the orange thing is to match Ubuntu, I think
maybe use the ubuntu background, which is a bit more brown in one of them (Dapper, I think)
and I thought about a series of these, maybe a blueish one like Blubuntu :) (for EMC2_Integrator)
oh. why stick so close to ubuntu?
and a .... one for the developers
Lerneaen_Hydra: cause it's nice
and it's helping emc2 leap forward
because that's where installation / ease-of-use features are targeted at this point
uh, ubuntu color themes is what I meant
ubuntu as a dist I definetly understant
continuity of look ;)
and I'm fond of orange lately
Lerneaen_Hydra: do one yourself :)
I think I may be too lazy ;)
that previous project sapped a bit of my computer artsy stuff (make a 2-hour movie with dvd menus and subtitles...) ick
I wonder if one of the other ones that jepler posted can do that
hmmm - I was more thinking that there migh be able to be a paper CD holder laminated in, not to have them produce it
they do produce CDs
just not together with the book
right, but all I want is a carrier in the book. we can get the CDs elsewhere (or from them, it doesn't matter)
we'll put it ourselves there