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[02:46:53] <jtr_> logger_devel: bookmark
[02:46:53] <jtr_> I'm feeling lazy .. but here's the log anyways:
http://81.196.65.201/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emcdevel/2006-10-12#T02-46-53
[13:24:34] <cradek> SWPadnos: even though I think alex put motion-sync IO back in, I don't see the code
[13:24:54] <SWPadnos> I don't know where it is either, but I remember the conversations
[13:25:05] <SWPadnos> only in HEAD, I'm sure
[13:25:24] <SWPadnos> incidentally, lxr won't do a freetext search on HEAD, says it's not indexed
[13:25:37] <cradek> I actually thought he put it in before 2.0, but it's long ago and I don't trust my memory
[13:25:56] <SWPadnos> I think there was something more recent than 2.0
[13:26:08] <SWPadnos> ie, it may have ben there, but now it works
[13:26:10] <SWPadnos> been
[13:26:13] <cradek> yeah I couldn't figure it out, it isn't generating the swish indexes correctly
[13:26:18] <SWPadnos> ok
[13:26:30] <cradek> I'll poke at it some more, maybe today
[13:27:03] <cradek> the docs/install instructions for lxr are not great
[13:27:16] <SWPadnos> heh - "by programmers for programmers" ;)
[13:27:27] <cradek> and I think the move to swish was pretty recent (more recent than the instructions)
[13:27:38] <cradek> yeah no kidding
[13:29:21] <cradek> bbl
[13:29:31] <SWPadnos> see you
[19:41:38] <cradek> argh, the tkemc optional stop button turns green, blue, or white depending on how many times I click it and where the mouse is
[19:42:02] <cradek> that's interesting but I wonder which color means "on"
[19:42:54] <SWPadnos> does it change color when you mouse over it?
[19:43:05] <cradek> yes it turns white or green
[19:43:15] <cradek> when the mouse isn't over it, it's blue or green
[19:43:20] <SWPadnos> white when the mouse is over it
[19:43:22] <SWPadnos> ok
[19:43:40] <cradek> well if it's green, it doesn't turn white anymore
[19:43:51] <SWPadnos> I suspect that green means don't stop, blue means do stop, and white means that the mouse is over it ;)
[19:43:52] <cradek> it stays green but the label turns blue instead
[19:43:57] <SWPadnos> argh
[19:44:07] <SWPadnos> does it look at all gnme-ish?
[19:44:10] <SWPadnos> snome-ish
[19:44:12] <SWPadnos> garhh
[19:44:21] <SWPadnos> gnome-ish
[19:44:21] <cradek> haha
[19:44:41] <cradek> I don't know what that means...?
[19:44:44] <SWPadnos> I've noticed an unrelated issue with gnome on ubuntu - buttons that appear under the mouse don't work until you move the mouse pointer
[19:45:07] <skunkworks> SWPadnos: I saw that also.
[19:45:17] <SWPadnos> oh - on the default dapper/breezy install, buttons kind of "hilight" when the mouse is over them - does that happen with buttons in tkems?
[19:45:43] <SWPadnos> tkemCCCCC dammit
[19:45:49] <cradek> yes they change from blue to white
[19:45:59] <cradek> but only if they're not green :-)
[19:46:17] <SWPadnos> ok, so the mouseover makes the non-obvious operation of the button even more unintelligible
[19:46:26] <cradek> yes
[19:46:47] <cradek> because you have to mouse away from it to see its state, which is only represented by the color it turns when you move away
[19:47:28] <cradek> I don't understand why one wouldn't use a checkbutton for this.
[19:47:40] <SWPadnos> because one has no checkbuttons?
[19:47:48] <cradek> there are other checkbuttons on the window.
[19:47:57] <SWPadnos> are there? - I hadn't noticed
[19:48:06] <cradek> err no
[19:48:09] <cradek> there are radio buttons
[19:48:15] <cradek> but believe me, tk does have a checkbutton widget
[19:48:19] <SWPadnos> which should be similar, but ...
[19:48:33] <SWPadnos> sure- I suspect that they just aren't used due to programmer style
[19:48:50] <cradek> the other thing that should be a checkbutton (override limits) is another button that has three colors, but they are blue/red/white
[19:48:53] <SWPadnos> why must the cat sit on my lap every time I'm in a chair?
[19:49:01] <cradek> for warmth
[19:49:04] <SWPadnos> damn him
[19:50:07] <skunkworks> our cats find where ever we where sitting. stand up for 30 seconds and a cat is curled up in your place.
[19:50:30] <SWPadnos> heh - and this is a Texas kitty living in Vermont (in the fall :) )
[20:09:00] <jepler> cradek: those *are* checkbuttons, but with "-indicatoron 0"
[20:09:18] <jepler> well, I may be wrong
[20:09:24] <jepler> but that's nearly the behavior you get with "-indicatoron 0"
[20:10:35] <cradek> I wish I hadn't said anything because I don't want to fix it, and I don't want to not fix it
[20:30:47] <SWPadnos> line 2320 and thereabouts is where the optional stop button is colored
[20:31:09] <SWPadnos> green if on, "normal" if off
[20:31:22] <cradek> * cradek hdies
[20:31:23] <cradek> hides
[20:31:25] <SWPadnos> (normal being one color when active and another color when inactive)
[20:31:55] <SWPadnos> what do you want it to look like? I can probably do some change and paste it here (still without an emc2 dev machine)
[20:32:08] <cradek> a checkbutton
[20:32:17] <cradek> you can run sim on any linux now
[20:32:22] <SWPadnos> well, that I can't do :)
[20:32:25] <cradek> any unix?
[20:32:36] <SWPadnos> I have no Linux machines other than my laptop at the moment :(
[20:32:52] <SWPadnos> and no space to put that in my office, unfortunately. I really need to clean
[20:33:03] <SWPadnos> now I'm getting depressed
[20:33:11] <cradek> I just cleaned my desk off/out at home, it was quite an experience
[20:33:19] <cradek> (got a new desk)
[20:33:26] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure there's a garbage truck big enough for this job ;)
[20:33:57] <SWPadnos> still trying to sort out the issues with (a) the big old file server machine and (b) the power supply issues with my dual opteron
[20:34:19] <cradek> hardware problems suck
[20:34:29] <SWPadnos> at least I managed to fix the openGL/ATI driver issue on my wife's machine today - now she can run OpenOffice again
[20:34:42] <cradek> openoffice uses gl?
[20:34:43] <SWPadnos> strange that OO needs openGL
[20:34:46] <SWPadnos> apparently
[20:34:53] <SWPadnos> dunno what for
[20:35:46] <SWPadnos> this power issue is really weird. if I use my nice PC Power&Cooling supply, I can't boot with the PCIe firewire card installed
[20:36:07] <SWPadnos> it works fine with the SuperMicro power supply (which has a couple of other issues that make me not want to use it)
[20:36:20] <cradek> wow that does sound strange
[20:36:38] <SWPadnos> yeah. I just got the motherboard RMA'ed, and the new one has the same problem
[20:36:53] <SWPadnos> and I've tried the next larger PCP&C power supply as well