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[01:46:54] <rayh> success with the dapper install with emc.
[01:47:09] <jmkasunich> hi ray
[01:47:18] <jmkasunich> watcha installing on?
[01:48:43] <rayh> One of the boxes I had at fest.
[01:49:01] <rayh> emachines sempron 3300+
[01:49:20] <jmkasunich> fast
[01:50:51] <rayh> It is a very nice setup.
[01:51:26] <rayh> The display and emc seem to be much more responsive.
[01:51:26] <rayh> than 5.10
[01:51:31] <rayh> How you doing tonight?
[01:51:48] <jmkasunich> taking it easy
[01:52:01] <jmkasunich> the class is incredibly boring and irrelevant
[01:52:10] <jmkasunich> fortunately tomorrow will be a short day
[01:52:50] <rayh> Good. Friday's are happy that way most of the time.
[01:53:04] <rayh> Just started the build dep for emc
[01:53:24] <rayh> I've got to admit that I like the auto pdf stuff.
[01:53:28] <jmkasunich> that reminds me...
[01:53:51] <jmkasunich> this laptop doesn't have all the dependencies to build axis
[01:54:38] <rayh> Is the build-dep emc2-axis still a good command?
[01:54:49] <jmkasunich> not sure
[01:54:50] <rayh> What kind of laptop you got there?
[01:55:02] <jmkasunich> HP omnibook 4150
[01:55:09] <jmkasunich> P2, 366MHz
[01:55:37] <rayh> I've got 5.10 on a gateway and it is darn slow.
[01:55:54] <jmkasunich> I installed xubuntu
[01:56:14] <rayh> Okay.
[01:56:21] <jmkasunich> uses Xfce instead of gnome or kde
[01:56:31] <jmkasunich> kinda sparse, but not bad speedwise
[01:56:39] <jepler> 'sudo apt-get build-dep emc2-axis' should get everything or almost everything to build AXIS
[01:56:42] <rayh> lot less overhead?
[01:56:56] <jepler> for 2.1, we'll have to make sure debian/control lists the right build requirements
[01:57:19] <rayh> Okay. I was wondering about the repository switch.
[01:57:57] <rayh> and how that would affect building it.
[01:57:59] <jepler> rayh: 'build-dep' looks at a file that is associated with the latest emc2-axis packages (same for the emc2 package)
[01:58:21] <jepler> so 'apt-get build-dep emc2' won't pull in the stuff to build the docs, until we release 2.1.0 and the information 'build-dep' looks at is updated
[01:59:01] <jmkasunich> thats ok, I have the docs stuff
[01:59:10] <jmkasunich> it was just axis that didn't build
[01:59:11] <rayh> Ah okay. I'll need to get lyx and such as a separate apt.
[01:59:13] <jepler> that was just a "for instance"...
[01:59:51] <rayh> wah jepler's busy
[02:00:11] <jepler> that last bit is just repetitive trivial stuff
[02:00:42] <rayh> It all moves the project forward.
[02:01:16] <jepler> that's always my intent, anyway
[02:01:33] <rayh> I did add xchat because gaim left me cold.
[02:05:43] <jepler> lyx trick -- when doing a multi-line code block, use ctrl-enter at the end of each physical line. That leaves less space in the finished document
[02:05:57] <jepler> it's shown in the document source by a little "carriage return" arrow in a difficult-to-see color
[02:06:05] <rayh> Yep
[02:06:23] <jmkasunich> so thats the trick...
[02:06:46] <jmkasunich> I saw those extra Lyx-code lines, knew something was fscked, didn't know how to fix it
[02:07:10] <jmkasunich> fixing now
[02:07:13] <jepler> fixed already
[02:07:23] <jmkasunich> thanks
[02:07:27] <jepler> np
[02:07:33] <jepler> now I think I'm done for the night...
[02:07:40] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[02:07:54] <rayh> see you
[02:07:57] <jepler> see you guys
[02:55:20] <cradek> darn, I missed jeff
[02:56:56] <jmkasunich> he's sneaky like that
[02:57:10] <cradek> yep.
[03:00:15] <cradek> a geek and his money are soon parted...
[03:00:33] <jmkasunich> ?
[03:00:46] <cradek> I bought an auto scan tool for some reason
[03:01:06] <cradek> I had one for fords only, and back when we had two fords that was just peachy
[03:01:28] <cradek> so this time I got one that works with all cars
[03:02:33] <cradek> and I was going to write some nice GPL software for PalmOS (started it years ago) but I find that someone else has done it
[03:02:49] <cradek> (which is great, don't get me wrong)
[03:04:44] <jmkasunich> auto scan for the palm?
[03:05:41] <cradek> yeah, to read/display trouble codes, engine status, etc
[03:06:57] <jmkasunich> is the physical layer just rs-232 or something?
[03:07:31] <cradek> the reader I bought converts the car's nasty layer to rs232
[03:08:11] <cradek> by law all cars since 1996 have to have a certain standard *connector* for this diagnostics interface
[03:08:31] <cradek> but the protocol, voltages, pinouts etc. vary between manufacturers
[03:08:54] <cradek> it's quite insane
[03:10:22] <jmkasunich> the better to sell scan tools
[03:10:44] <cradek> no, the better for the dealer to charge $75 to plug in a device for 10 seconds
[03:11:23] <cradek> one check-engine light reading at the dealer will pretty much pay for your own scan tool
[03:11:36] <jmkasunich> yeah, that too
[03:12:05] <cradek> one reading plus a simple repair (screw the gas cap on) can pay for two
[03:12:25] <cradek> I think everyone who is interested in fixing his own car should have one (or access to one)
[03:19:04] <jmkasunich> time for sleep I think
[03:20:02] <cradek> good idea, me too, goodnight
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