when your computer crashes, ask the all knowing google
how can you? ;)
after you reboot
got a new webcam (the old one was shit)
and the driver promptly locked up the box
google says: known problem with ubuntu and that driver, get the latest here...
"Aiptek PenCam 1.3"
heh - that's a good google response :)
working fine now
ok. one of those 1280x1024 jobbies?
or the 800x600
well, the sensor is
in webcam mode it only does 640x480
I guess theres a different driver that runs it in camera mode
that's fixed focus (and zoom), right?
camera mode: take pic (dunno if that can be initiated from the PC) and then upload it
adj focus, fixed zoom
it was a whole $69
more than I wanted to pay, I was originally looking at the $29 ones
but they have 352x240 sensors, crap
hmmm. I have a QuickCam around here somewhere. don't remember the res
I had a $49 640x480 one in my hand when I saw this one
(free when I signed up for DSL a few years ago)
all the other 1.3M ones were $99 or more
bet it was low res then
I have two things in mind for it
one: pics from fest
funny - I never installed the drivers for it - the plastic bag with the CD and manuals is unopened
they're not the most interesting things in the world
I'm certainly not interested in video chat
but I think it would be nice for the workshop
if we tackle any significant projects it would be fun to make a time lapse video
the other application would require some serious hacking (mechancial/optical)
hmmm. if I had any suitable machine, I could set up the Micron sensor devkit I have to do that
actually, I could set that one up anyway, if there's a Windows machine with USB2 around
attach the camera to a spotting scope, let it watch a target at 50 or 100 yards and when a new hole appears, have it say "4 ring, 2 o'clock" or similar thru headphones
the Micron kit could probably do that, with some software
there's an FPGA on the base board as well
what is this micron thing?
is that the HD sensor
no - still camera oriented, 5MP sensor
it can do video though
well, I've had this one for about an hour and a half
time to take it apart ;-)
[02:09:58] <SWPadnos> http://www.micron.com/products/imaging/products/MT9P001.html
this one comes pre-disassembled ;)
(want to see if the lense can be removed and a much longer focal length one put in its place
how many $ for the micron?
the devkit was ~$1k, I think
heh, too rich for me
probably a bit high ;)
I'll stick with $69 webcams
I do plan on bringing my digital camera as well
maybe two of them
one high res, the other medium res
I might bring ours, dunno
its a midrange Olympus
cool. I've got a couple of Fujis
one 12MP, the other 4MP
the 4MP has a nice 10x zoom with good macro capability
I think ours is 3-4
cool - the lense screws out
careful -that's focus ;)
ok - just making sure :)
what I'm thinking is remove the 8.7mm FL lens, and put the sensor at the prime focus of something with a much longer FL
you can get a C-mount lens, the mount is a 1-32 thread, I think
1" - 32
this is more like 1/2 - 40
or some metric equivalent
there are a lot of C-mount lenses, you may have to do some hackery
I'm thinking something more like a binocular objective
I don't think there's a standard for the really small lenses
with the standard lens, the FOV is about a foot at 2 feet range
I want about a foot at 100ft range
so I need 50x
what's the size of the imager (roughly)?
which means 50*8.7 = 435mm FL
quarter inch maybe
where's the 8.7 from?
front of the lens assy
nice macro capability
with the case off I can unscrew the lens till it almost falls out
does it look like the actual imaging area is 1/4 inch across (diagonally), or is that the whole chip
focuses at about 1", and the ctrl key on my keyboard about fills the image
ok. that could be a standard metric thread - M12/0.5
8.75mm is the largest I see
longest that fits that mounting thread
thread is irrelevant
oh wait - here are some 50mm f/2.8 lenses
I'm thinking of a 30-50mm diameter lense with f/l 300-400mm
so the tube will be a foot long
the camera will be hanging off the lense, not the other way around
the focal length is "equivalent" for some image plane size
why do I keep spelling lens lense
I have no ideae
gotta say this think is a heck of a lot nicer than a webcam
it can be used as a regular cam (batteries, onboard ram, plus socket for SD memory card)
and it has a gen-u-wine 1/4-20 tripod socket
even came with a mini tripod
so did the micron ;)
when connected to the PC, it runs on usb power, no batteries needed
I hate battery powered stuff
minor change of subject
unless it takes AA batteries (rechargeable preferably)
you've mapped dinero/home/jmkasunich/compile_farm so that people can surf to linuxcnc.org/compile_farm and read it
mind if I use that to post webcam pics?
that's OK by me.
I'd like to have an upload area though.
there was some discussion about videos / photos earlier
oh, uploads from other folks
I don't mind hosting them, I've got space and transfer to burn
which you could also use
for this stuff
well, I'm gonna mess with scripts to take periodic pics and scp them to the farm dir
the path can be changed later
hmm, "v4lctl snap jpeg full foo.jpg" is supposed to take a snapshot
and it does, kinda
the image is chopped up, and different parts even seem to be at different resolutions
is there a gphoto driver for that camera?
is it the Aiptek "1.3 mega PocketCam"?
probably, and yes
the driver was in testing as of last December
heh - nice bug fix:
* spca50x driver: - do not delete everything and fail to download on Aiptek 1.3
url for that info?
[02:41:38] <SWPadnos> http://www.gphoto.org/
it's highly likely that it's in the Ubuntu repositories
I'm not sure about the control features though
only one way to find out
installing the packages now
I know the v4l interface works, because it displays video fine with gqcam
can you save as a raw file?
ok. ppm or jpeg only
you could try using v4l to get a ppm, then imagemagick for the jpeg conversion
well, gqcam can save snapshots
cool. any better?
says it can do png, jpg, ppm and ray
I tried png
only problem is its GUI
I want command line
but that proves the driver/camera is capable of making snaps
there are multiple v4l progs, I'm sure I can find one that will make snaps from the cmd line
I'd definitely try the ppm / imagemagick method then
I can *not* believe how stupid LabView is
I compile the FPGA "programs", and there's a build log I'd like to look at
it's in a non-resizeable window
the text area can be scrolled, but it's really small compared to the siez of the log
it gets worse
I right-click and select "copy data"
and I get an image of the currently displayed portion on the clipboard
it's funny, when you're not trying to deliver something ;)
can you click on the text, scroll to the bottom (highlight it all) and copy? (ctrl-c)
probably. through all 2000+ lines
yay, vgrabbj works to grab a frame
but I think RGB must be swapped
my gray cat is still gray, but the my yellow fluke meter is blue
imagemagick should be able to fix that for you, unless a G channel is being combined with R or B
vgrabbj has options to do swapping too
ah - cool
so I did manage to copy the text, and it's missing the info I want - total FPGA resources used
swap fixed it
hmm, don't think I have to write a script
at least not if dinero will accept ordinary FTP uploads
vgrabbj has a mode where it daemonizes itself, takes periodic snaps, and FTPs them to a specified file at a specific host
I was looking for something that can turn frames into a movie
PornView is an image and movie viewer/manager with thumbnail previews.
Additional features includes thumbnail caching, directory tree views,
adjustable zoom, and fullscreen view. Slideshows allow for unattended
presentation of images for hands-free viewing. Pornview is written
note the critical "hands free" capability
critical, for sure
oh my god. "As of 2006-05-09 the developer CVS server had a disk-failure"
lol, are they for real?
[13:57:05] <jepler> http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352&group_id=1#1147261394
ok, now that is too much to be a coincidence :)
then what isit?
it's just fscked up, that's what it is..
* alex_joni still had a tiny bit of sympathy for SF
boy did the board ever make the right decision about cvs
but it's all gone now :/
the sympathy I mean
we would sure be sweating about workshop if we hadn't moved cvs.
hi chris & jeff, btw :)
[14:02:51] <alex_joni> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1485300&group_id=1&atid=200001
I think that "$" by the submitter's name means he's actually paid sourceforge money
oh, no, I guess it means he'll accept money if you're foolish enough to offer it
[14:04:39] <alex_joni> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1485491&group_id=1&atid=200001
I think I turned on my $ once, not sure if I left it on
[14:06:23] <jepler> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?group_id=1&atid=200001&summary_keyword=cvs
cradek, yes, your $ is still on
there are even people who paid who get the same product: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1484186&group_id=1&atid=200001
hi guys ;)
CVS through SSH (developer access) down cvs service outage cvs service has been down for the last 2 days cannot connect to cvs server cvs connection problems cvs connection refused CVS serving old versions como project: incorrect CVS tarball Browse CVS Repository doesn't work Alchemi CVS access cvs service down CVS for BeFPC project has become inaccessable Cannot access CVS using :ext CVS Download un
* cradek clicks on "Next 50" for a while and gets bored
on and on
[14:07:53] <jepler> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1485288&group_id=1&atid=200001
SWPadnos: it doesn't seem to have any effect...
"I was wondering if upgrading to 'subscriber' status
would decrease the frequency of CVS outages for my
keep dreaming Sam Reid..
* jepler laughs and cries
and he's so polite
it's sure a rational thing to wonder: will those who pay for service get better service? Maybe it's just a cynical ploy to get new paying subscribers.
funny to note that the priority on all those is 5 - medium
SWPadnos: that's default priority
you'd think that loss of the central service they provide would be higher priority
before someone assigns to it
none of these bugs have been touched by an SF person
right - they haven't had time to look at all the complaints ;)
I'm sure they know full well it's broken
personally I'd mark them closed and point at the site status page
when I break something for everybody, I also stop answering the phone so I have time to work on it
cradek's telling the truth
jepler: can't you just go over to his desk?
no, he locks the door too
* alex_joni passes jeff a second key
jepler and cradek - are both of you going to Fest?
so.. hmm, who's gonna watch the cvs server? :D
ding - that was my next question
we have a helper lined up in case there's a problem
(but there won't be)
there was once, so you can't convince me ;)
then again, I think jmk will darg his CF to the fest.. right?
all it needs is to be up more than SF, not a high bar
he did last year, and I think he's still tired fromthe effort ;)
SWPadnos: he has cvs2.linuxcnc.org in there
cradek: btw, should we worry about cvs3 ? maybe after fest..
cvs2 must be unplugged right now...
at some point, I can set up a cvs3 or cvs4 here. I even have a fixed IP at home
jmkasunich: your glowing review convinced me to buy an aiptek pencam :9
glowing review = "easy to disassemble, and you can take pictures with a script" ;)
and decent resolution, runs on batteries
well i'll see if it was worth the $25
darn, it's cold outside
we had like 23 yesterday, now it's only 14 C
I'm not planning on bringing the compile farm.... too much of a pain in the rear
maybe I should think about setting up dyndns tho, incase I need to log into it
jmkasunich: did your ip change again?
gonna be away for a few hours
cradek: there's something wrong with the debian/ directory in HEAD. debian/emc2.files doesn't think the configs are in the place where 'make install' puts them
debian/tmp/etc/emc2 vs debian/tmp/etc/emc2/sample-configs I think
jepler: maybe it's just way out of date
jepler: the debian directory in the branch exactly matches the one I use for the packages with the exception of the `extras' directory
I was going to install ubuntu on that spare machine to get the package list for the emc2 cd, but I couldn't find my already-burned ubuntu cd, and I just burned a coaster on this laptop. sound familiar?
so -this may eb a silly question, but can I get the unloaded acceleration of a motor by just dividing torque (in-lb) by inertia (in-lb-sec^2)?