jmk_away is now known as jmkasunich
rayh_ is now known as rayh
speaking of the "Testing" page, are those notes about Recent Improvements up-to-date?
Testing page ought to be renamed or separated into testing and rolling-your-own.
I was thinking that
Almost all of the instructions apply whether you're going to use Testing, HEAD, or any other CVS tag
Took me the longest time to find the correct instructions for apt-get build-dep emc2
What do any of you think of changing the Installing EMC2 page to follow the outline I put at the bottom: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2
jepler: seems ok to me
rayh: think I should add something like this: http://bsqdemo.bs-squared.com/index.php?option=com_bsq_sitestats&Itemid=31
everyone elses opinion is also appreciated ;)
Nice. Shows the big picture
ok, then I'll do it
it's working great
most of data can be seen on the backend though, not sure we want to publish it on the frontend
rayh: you can go to Admin, then on the top Menu, Components->BSQ Sitestats->Show Stats
I don't think it will hurt us to let users see site stats.
there is a short summary now on the left menu
The numbers there must be the same because it just started?
tomorrow they will start to differ
at least the 'Today' from the rest, next week the 'Week' will differ, and so on ;)
That looks really great, alex
I've got an annoying something stuck in ubuntu.
If I try to fire up the screenshot it asks for authentication of an ftp login someplace.
does it about a dozen times then shows the screenshot widget.
It will also often do it when I browse my local filesystem or start another program.
man, lots of 500s when editing pages on the wiki
or even just visiting pages
what a pita
jepler: don't tell anyone, but I've been thinking about moving it off sf too.
rayh: I just looked through the ladder wikipage - it is over my head - it must be intended for someone who already knows some about classicladder?
What's the link to that?
[19:19:29] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Sample_HAL_And_ClassicLadder
anyfeedback about http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2
Ah okay. let me look at both of these.
cradek: I thought it's hard too, but playing with it for a couple of minutes got me started
you need to know what a ladder is though
and how to read it :)
oh heck, I lost some text
[19:21:05] <alex_joni> http://www.joomla.org/content/blogcategory/0/33/
alex_joni: yes I don't know that
I wonder if I should leave it out .. it was a list of the depends and build-depends from the ubuntu packages, under the "RTAI from scratch" section
cradek: I can give you a head start one day if you want
alex_joni: -||--|/|-|\|--|| looks like a fence, not logic, to me
alex_joni: I don't need it, I just wonder if something could be added to the wikipage for newbies like me to understand it.
cradek: -| |- means a normal open contact ;)
-|/|- is normal closed
a rung (a row in a ladder) is something that current passes through
current can't pass through a -| |- unless the user pushes it
current passes through -|/|- UNTIL the user pushes it
ok, I understand NO vs NC
ladder gets evaluated left to right, top to bottom
alex_joni, is giving away the secret decoder ring
on the left and middle there are inputs Ixx
put the decoder ring on the wiki
on the right there are outputs Qxx
I'm not sure what the needed level is..
this is perfect
was wondering if you get it.. :)
gear it toward "not a moron" but "has never seen ladders before"
ok.. I'll do that later today
I agree; I am not familiar with ladder logic either
ok, I'll put it on my mental to-do list
but I hope i'm "not a moron"
you wouldn't be in here if you were ;)
I dunno, you let me in
* alex_joni is proud of who he let in
* alex_joni goes away for a while..
but we're mentioned right on top of joomla.org/news ;)
jepler, It would help to mention apt-get cvs either in the cvs section or above near the apt-get build-dep
That is neat, alex. Great work.
rayh: good catch; I'll add that
Finally, if you plan to use cvs, install the client:
sudo apt-get install cvs
I tripped over it the other day while setting up a system over the phone. Was I embarassed.
alex_joni, you want to add the ladder intro you just put here or should I?
I'm editing the ClassicLadder page at the wiki to add a ladder programming intro.
rayh: that's ok, it saves me from doing it :)
cradek: I've seen you sent an email to the list
but I didn't get it, I got Gene's reply to it though
alex_joni: which thread?
about the CVS move
I got the message I sent
* alex_joni still didn't get it
I'm in the middle of the stuff now. Getting bigger as I go along but I need to do this for fest anyway.
alex_joni: I don't know why you don't have the message yet, but gene quoted it in its entirety (as usual)
yeah, this is the first time I'm gratefull for that :D
but I still didn't get it :(
several people obviously have
you mean more answered?
sorry I mean several people received the message
right.. just not me ;(
cradek: what do you think of putting the axis cvs on the same machine vs keeping it on my system?
cradek: I'm still not sure the set of emc developers and the set of axis developers should be the same
and slowly it'll kreep into the emc2 cvs :D
and I'm not going to ask you to complicate this new system just to make that possible
jepler: I did take into account that there might be several separate chrooted cvses with different users
alex_joni: as crazy as it must sound coming from me, I'd still like to see axis on systems like bdi4emc
(for the sake of the users)
if we do that, I want to do it after emc is working
jepler: what if there were no users :)
jepler: kidding aside, I can understand that
but then again.. AXIS on emc2 would be a big argument for it :) (if it didn't work on BDI)
I mean argument for users to switch to emc2 :-)
I am only joking..
thought you'll get that.. was playing the PC attitude ;-)
in the end everyone should use what they are comfortable with
even if it's mach ;)
who knows; maybe during the axis 1.3 cycle I'll change my mind
(cradek gets a say too, of course)
as long as it's relatively easy to keep compatibility, I think we should.
if it becomes hard, we'll decide then
hmm.. I got an email from zwisk on the devel list
but still not chris'es
cradek: did you get the mail from jonathan stark?
I saw it; that's why I mentioned AXIS CVS earlier
he even said svn
yeah he said svn, but I don't think that's in the cards
how come? I know it's a big move, and our developers are a problem..
any other reasons?
a little bird told me that the new cvs-based system is essentially done
was it a cuckoo?
no, some other kind
you know the one that you find in clocks
maybe a sandhill crane.
[22:01:44] <jepler> http://photos.unpy.net/187339/187402/
[22:01:49] <alex_joni> http://3gnewsroom.mobiles.co.uk/images/gadgets/cuckoo-sheep-op-f-169.jpg
this one is great: http://photos.unpy.net/187339/187386/
I really like some of the bird photos I got on that trip, but most of them need more curves/levels adjustment than I did at the time
that place, Bosque del Apache, is really great; it's too bad we only had one day there.
[22:04:05] <alex_joni> http://photos.unpy.net/187339/187437/
I've got that one on my office wall
btw I made a banner the other day 2m x 3m
was pretty cheap
maybe I'll do one with a picture I took some day
not sure, I ordered it
but it was about 10EUR/m^2
I printed a few photos on work's large-format inkjet -- I think it's 36" wide -- but the quality wasn't that great.
this wasn't that great either (closeup) because I only made the stuff at 72 dpi
I think I sent you the jpeg a while ago
my camera's 3072x2048, so a 2m x 3m print would be only 26dpi.
yup..that could be a problem ;)
I bet it's fine from a viewing distance of about 1 meter
er, 3 meter
at that size you don't look at it from 3m
you go further away ;)
[22:12:47] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/emc/HPIM9955.JPG
just reading this: http://clarkvision.com/imagedetail/eye-resolution.html
aka at what distance does a 1mm feature cover .0003 radians
but maybe I botched the math
I think it's easier to print it out :)
make a 10x10" picture at 24 dpi and you'll know at what distance it's fine
seen the image above?
yeah I did look at it
btw, what speed are you getting from that server?
that was ok starting at about .5m or less
YAY, finally I got chris'es email
let me run a wget
only 2 hours late
146.48 KB/s on a 1.5mbps dsl line
hmm.. so not filling up
but I guess that's enough..
jmkasunich: you're not early ;) I'm late again
I am early, its only 6:21 pm
and that's early?
it'll be early when I'll wake up today
usually I don't get online till 8ish on weekdays
what time is it there? midnight?
go to bed
yeah, I was just about to
(I was up till 3 last night, really stupid)
I read some logs
one of the compile farms will be a backup to chris's server
we should have a couple more as well
mine would be the last chosen as a working server, since I don't have static IP
yeah, I'll setup one too these days
but .. not sure how.. I got sidetracked today :)
didn't do much all day long
go to sleep
time for dinner here soon
I added statistics to linuxcnc though
and I was pretty much impressed with the traffic
about 164 visitors in the last couple of hours
I tried the IRC widget from work, didn't work
jmkasunich: you can log in to admin, there's a new component which you can use for statistics
did the java stuff show?
yeah, I got an IRC window with buttons and stuff
just no connection (timed out)
oh, but it couldn't connect.. :( .. probably firewalled
there was another way to do that..
maybe one day I'll bother to set that up
flash client with some gateway
not a problem, it would probably be a bad thing if I could IRC from work
brb hardware change.
so the gateway does the connection to IRC, and the flash client only connects to linuxcnc.org
jmkasunich: it _is_ a bad thing, I do it sometimes :)
am I supposed to log in as admin, or myself?
Components->BSQ Sitestats->Show stats
well either jmkasunich doesn't have an account, or I forgot the pw
I tried the admin one, and a couple other possibilities
* alex_joni goes to bed