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[01:10:16] <steves_logging> steves_logging is now known as steve_stallings
[01:40:08] <cradek> looks like we lost Hal_Introduction.pdf and friends (links on the EmcVersion2 wiki page)
[01:58:45] <steve_stallings> OK, I have put temp copies on Metalworking.com so someone with admin access on the new site can install them. Please copy, not link.
[01:59:01] <steve_stallings> http://www.metalworking.com/Hal_introduction.pdf
[01:59:16] <steve_stallings> http://www.metalworking.com/EMC2_code_notes.pdf
[02:02:00] <cradek> thanks steve
[02:02:07] <cradek> we'll probably have to wait for alex or swp to do it - I don't know how
[02:06:00] <steve_stallings> OK, it will be there for a few days.
[02:06:11] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[02:07:12] <cradek> yay, I remembered to put the shell on the wire before soldering all the connector's pins
[13:45:58] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[14:31:15] <steves_logging> steves_logging is now known as steve_stallings
[14:39:53] <steve_stallings> Alex or SWP - please read back about dead links on EMC2 wiki and copies of PDF's
[14:40:28] <steve_stallings> Also, a copy of the old LinuxCNC sit remains available at www.metalworking.net
[14:46:49] <rayh> Morning Steve. Looks like the transfer went without much of a glitch.
[14:47:27] <SWPadnos> the only thing that still seems to be missing is the dropbox
[14:47:36] <SWPadnos> (other than a broken link or two)
[14:47:50] <rayh> I've got one guy who has to get to it with a different addy. Sounds like sbcglobal had it cached.
[14:48:18] <SWPadnos> does he need to use the cncgear address?
[14:48:44] <rayh> No linuxcnc.org/home
[14:49:05] <SWPadnos> weird - that should be an invalid URL
[14:49:07] <rayh> Got him to it. Where linuxcnc.org got the cached front page.
[14:49:21] <rayh> I don't know.
[14:49:23] <SWPadnos> and a "reload" didn't help?
[14:49:48] <rayh> Don't know that he tried.
[14:50:00] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:50:10] <SWPadnos> <ctrl-R> is your friend
[14:50:20] <rayh> Once he got past the first page it was okay.
[14:50:27] <SWPadnos> right
[14:50:40] <rayh> He said he really likes the new stuff.
[14:50:53] <SWPadnos> joomla or emc2? ;)
[15:04:07] <alex_joni> both ;)
[15:04:24] <alex_joni> steve_stallings: I put the pdf earlier today, and the handbook in the last hour
[15:15:53] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[15:16:45] <steves_logging> OK, thanks Alex.
[15:29:09] <jepler> I just verified that the links from
http://axis.unpy.net/files/gcode.html work again
[16:42:12] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[18:13:52] <alex_joni> jepler: so all is good?
[18:24:57] <jepler> alex_joni: Yeah, it looks that way
[18:25:45] <alex_joni> jepler: let me know if anything else is borked
[18:26:11] <jepler> I will.
[18:26:20] <alex_joni> thanks ;)
[19:09:02] <rayh> I'm getting a ssh: connect to host cvs.sourceforge.net port 22: Connection refused
[19:09:11] <rayh> message when I try to commit.
[19:09:16] <alex_joni> :(
[19:09:19] <cradek> * cradek rolls his eyes
[19:09:27] <alex_joni> means it's not working
[19:09:38] <rayh> Thought maybe it was me.
[19:09:50] <cradek> I wonder if we should get in gear and move our cvs before workshop
[19:11:02] <rayh> At this point I'm not convinced that a move is worth the work.
[19:11:40] <rayh> I sure don't want to get it on a "private" site. Remember Robinz and the wiki.
[19:12:21] <alex_joni> cradek: probably moving not, but having a local CVS service will be necessary
[19:12:28] <jepler> "local CVS service"?
[19:12:33] <jepler> there's no such thing; CVS isn't distributed
[19:13:43] <alex_joni> I mean local as in at the fest
[19:13:53] <alex_joni> your own CVS server there
[19:14:08] <rayh> We could probably do that.
[19:14:47] <rayh> How would our changes there be committed to sf and how would we get sf changes that you make while we are at fest?
[19:16:20] <alex_joni> you wouldn't
[19:16:28] <alex_joni> that would be only for an extreme case
[19:16:32] <alex_joni> if SF doesn't work
[19:20:51] <rayh> Okay.
[19:21:19] <rayh> I own the rights to linuxcnc.net
[19:21:39] <alex_joni> .net ?
[19:21:43] <rayh> Maybe we should but a mailer there and serve the lists.
[19:21:48] <rayh> put
[19:22:04] <alex_joni> we can do that on .org too
[19:22:25] <rayh> It will be a terrible bitch to get everyone switched over and a lot of traffic.
[19:22:41] <rayh> .com also
[19:29:41] <cradek> I don't care so much when the lists are down for a weekend, but we need reliable cvs
[19:30:08] <alex_joni> yeah, that's why I meant CVS
[19:41:44] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[19:44:57] <alex_joni> morning SWamPy
[19:45:06] <SWPadnos> hiya
[19:45:15] <alex_joni> wot's up?
[19:45:28] <SWPadnos> not much. I'm between meetings
[19:45:55] <alex_joni> yeah, I'm before a meeting myself
[19:46:04] <alex_joni> will meet my new pillow, can't wait :D
[19:46:15] <alex_joni> lol
[19:46:17] <rayh> JBoss maintains its relationship with SourceForge and this move was in no way a negative statement towards SourceForge. We continue to host our development and user mailing lists at SourceForge. Additionally, all community development at JBoss will continue to integrate with SourceForge repositories whenever necessary.
[19:46:22] <SWPadnos> on the CVS thing - DreamHost has CVS and subversion available
[19:46:49] <SWPadnos> and of course FTP
[19:47:06] <SWPadnos> they don't have anonymous FTP unless you pay for a static IP
[19:47:23] <SWPadnos> they also don't have anonymous CVS, but I'm not sure if a static IP cures that also
[19:47:34] <rayh> http://jboss.org/jbossBlog/blog/?month=10&day=14&year=2005
[19:48:24] <rayh> Would the daily tarball serve in place of anon checkout.
[19:48:37] <cradek> what is jboss?
[19:48:47] <SWPadnos> some java thing ;)
[19:49:36] <rayh> Jboss is an app server for networks
[19:50:01] <rayh> right up there with apache in popularity.
[19:50:02] <jepler> daily tarballs mean a lot more bandwidth; they mean anonymous users can't enjoy things like "cvs diff" and "cvs annotate"; they mean anonymous users can't pick up bugfixes as they happen (though that's not true with sf's anon cvs being on a delay anyway)
[19:50:30] <rayh> Okay. So that isn't a complete solution.
[19:50:41] <alex_joni> jepler: just wondering: how many users use your anon CVS ?
[19:50:55] <alex_joni> regarding to latest snapshot?
[19:50:56] <jepler> alex_joni: anon cvs of axis? There's less than one connection per day
[19:50:59] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure that bandwidth will be an issue
[19:51:12] <rayh> The interesting thing about the jboss thing was that they kept their email lists at sf.
[19:51:23] <rayh> If we did the same, it would save a lot of headache.
[19:51:26] <jepler> SWPadnos: it probably doesn't matter compared to the dreamhost quotas, but it would matter to a person on dialup who has to download a new 2MB tarfile instead of do a 25-second "cvs update".
[19:51:41] <SWPadnos> true
[19:51:42] <alex_joni> yeah, it seems to me that only developers care about cvs, normal users don't know / don't want to know what that is
[19:52:02] <rayh> There is no such thing as a 25-second "cvs update" when using dialup.
[19:52:16] <rayh> Takes that long to make the connection.
[19:52:38] <alex_joni> ok, but still faster than downloading 2MB+
[19:52:43] <alex_joni> that's 30 minutes?
[19:52:45] <rayh> You bet.
[19:52:59] <alex_joni> * alex_joni kinda remembers the days (not that far away)
[19:53:30] <rayh> * rayh cusses the connection every day.
[19:54:06] <rayh> sf still not having any.
[19:54:13] <cradek> dialup is much better than no connection.
[19:54:21] <alex_joni> * alex_joni doesn't regret paying 100$ for 256kbps fiber
[19:54:27] <alex_joni> at work I mean ;)
[19:55:04] <alex_joni> at home it's 20EUR for 1024kbps (but not guaranteed) ;)
[19:57:54] <rayh> Oh yea dialup changed my life.
[19:58:43] <alex_joni> yeah, it changed everyones life at one point in time
[19:58:48] <alex_joni> but it's time to move on ;)
[19:59:27] <SWPadnos> hmmm - how does one turn off logging?
[19:59:31] <SWPadnos> (in emc)
[20:00:07] <alex_joni> try emc_log_shush
[20:00:12] <SWPadnos> heh
[20:01:13] <SWPadnos> I don't see anything with "log" in the config dir, or in the scripts dir (using grep -i)
[20:01:28] <SWPadnos> well, nothing that looks like it turns logging on or off
[20:01:47] <cradek> SWPadnos: I'm not sure - it might be compiled in
[20:01:48] <SWPadnos> debug is set to 0x00000001
[20:01:56] <cradek> I shut it off by default some time ago
[20:02:00] <SWPadnos> hmm
[20:02:07] <cradek> it was making huge log files full of stupid stuff
[20:02:11] <SWPadnos> I didn't enable it by default
[20:02:18] <cradek> what exactly is it logging?
[20:02:20] <SWPadnos> yeah - that's why I noticed it
[20:02:26] <cradek> there's so many different loggings
[20:02:34] <SWPadnos> every line the interpreter reads, among other stuff
[20:02:47] <SWPadnos> it's a 5M, 66k line file, in one dir
[20:03:06] <cradek> how old is your release?? I took that out
[20:03:21] <SWPadnos> current CVS (as of a few days ago, at least)
[20:03:31] <cradek> and you're sure the log isn't old?
[20:03:36] <SWPadnos> ah -wait. the log file is from January
[20:03:40] <SWPadnos> no ;)
[20:03:41] <cradek> doh
[20:03:52] <cradek> in that case, I recommend deleting it
[20:04:56] <SWPadnos> did that
[20:06:21] <alex_joni> alex_joni is now known as berlusconi
[20:07:28] <berlusconi> berlusconi is now known as alex_joni
[20:44:53] <jepler> For a do-nothing cvs -z9 update of axis, there are 2224 bytes sent, 1118 read, and 7 direction changes
[20:45:35] <jepler> that should be well under 25 seconds on dialup
[20:45:50] <jepler> the direction changes will be the bulk of the time..
[20:46:00] <jepler> emc2 is a larger repository, I'll grant you
[22:28:11] <cradek> arg, no cvs again
[22:28:25] <cradek> it's a little hard to make packages without it.