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[10:47:26] <Zverik_home> новое извращение из-за нехватки места на tile.osmz.ru:
[10:47:32] <Zverik_home> ssh localhost -p10002 'gzip -dc ~/osm/planet/db-140801-0346.sql.gz' | psql gis
[10:48:44] <Zverik_home> вместо заливки дампа по ftp и потом его локальной загрузке в postgresql, открываю ssh-туннель и сразу его с локальной машины в удалённую базу
[10:49:08] <Zverik_home> следующим шагом, понятно, будет избавление от gzip, потому что зачем
[10:50:55] <freeExec> Zverik_home: а Россию из планетки вырезать, плиз
[10:51:34] <Zverik_home> freeExec: ну ёлки, я неделю торрент держал, вчера решил, что тебе не нужен
[10:52:05] <freeExec> ну вот блин, а я не нашёл ни где ссылки
[10:53:01] <Zverik_home> в логе же :)
[10:53:06] <Zverik_home> сейчас пересоздаю
[10:53:29] <freeExec> скинь тогда сюда. я тогда смотрел логи, но не наткнулся :(
[10:54:37] <Zverik_home> freeExec:
http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23osm-ru/2014-07-24.html#22:30:59
[10:54:47] <Zverik_home> но сейчас ссылка уже, понятно, не работает
[10:56:00] <freeExec> хмм а тут
http://logs.nanodesu.ru/%23osm-ru/%23osm-ru.2014-07-24.log.html нет
[11:01:38] <Zverik_home> freeExec: потому что котик три дня отдыхал
[11:01:47] <Zverik_home> посмотри на отметки времени
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[11:43:15] <Zverik_home> freeExec: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:1292e56c3f09e32b89e40a700c448bffc378e948&dn=RU-krym.osm.pbf&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ccc.de%3A80
[11:47:38] <freeExec> хм.. показывает, что сидов нет :(
[11:48:43] <Zverik_home> не знаю, подожди немного
[11:48:51] <Zverik_home> планета на 28 июля там
[11:51:02] <freeExec> можешь порт торрента сказать, попробую напрямую пира добавить
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[12:21:34] <maks|dock> Runge: день добрый! А как часто костлайны обновляются на рендере мапсёрфера?
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[12:23:11] <Runge> maks|dock: добрый день. костлайны обновляются, в лучшем случае, раз в 2-3 месяца. Мне иногда надо напоминать, а то забываю это делать.
[12:23:22] <Runge> ))
[12:23:38] <maks|dock> жёстко
[12:23:50] <maks|dock> ну ок :)
[12:24:02] <Runge> будем считать, что напомнили )
[12:24:58] <maks|dock> тогда если можно с завтрешних даных
[12:25:19] <maks|dock> а то я сегодня собираюсь вечером немного береговую линию окультурить местами
[12:26:01] <Runge> договорились. постараюсь это сделать в воскресенье. надеюсь, что данные тут
http://openstreetmapdata.com/data/land-polygons обновляются корректно
[12:26:56] <maks|dock> да, вроде бы если есть большие косяки, то там они не обновляются а сохраняются прежние рабочие
[12:27:39] <freeExec> хм.. пару раз на форуме спрашивали где взять все костлайны и ответа вроде не было
[12:27:40] <Runge> не знаю, не знаю. один раз скачал шейп, а в нем острова большие вблизи Новой Зеландии просто посносило.
[12:28:22] <maks|dock> может они просто невалидные геометрии откидывают
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[12:53:01] <red_led> есть кто живой?
[12:59:36] <Zverik> freeExec: ну как, пошло?
[13:00:44] <freeExec> на работе написало, что сид есть, но соединяться не хочет. поставил счас дома, там порты проброшены, жду теперь когда появишься
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[13:01:54] <Zverik> кстати, я сегодня утром начал делать нормальный стиль (не велосипедный, общечеловеческий) с surface=*
[13:02:33] <freeExec> угу, но почему-то только на питере работало
[13:04:58] <Zverik> не, что я показывал — это так, эксперимент. Я сейчас его расширил на всё покрытие (перезаливал утром базу, добавил smoothness и surface:grade в таблицы), но теперь osmz.ru упал :)
[13:07:33] <freeExec> осталось ещё отойти от track:grade
[13:07:53] <Zverik> freeExec: теперь я копирую
http://oblmap.ru чтобы потом улучшить. Такой картой уже можно будет пользоваться, печатать её, строить маршруты
[13:09:10] <freeExec> на мелких масштабах ни чё так
[13:09:46] <Zverik> это z12-z13 будет, остальные зумы там из других карт
[13:09:54] <Zverik> ну ещё z11, может быть
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[13:14:37] <Zverik> andrewsh: у Дмитрия искажённое представление о реальности осм, почерпанное, кажется, из опыта опенсорс-разработки. Нет никаких «дочерних баз», все всё сразу делают в, эгхм, апстриме.
[13:15:03] <Zverik> тех, кто будет пытаться работать по описанному им алгоритму, рано или поздно заклюют
[13:15:25] <Zverik> (там tl;dr, так что прочитал только хвост)
[13:18:46] <andrewsh> Zverik: ты ему напиши
[13:19:11] <Zverik> лениво ввязываться в перепалку, человек не важен для осм, зачем время терять :)
[13:19:18] <andrewsh> почему не важен
[13:19:26] <andrewsh> он осмом пользуется, как минимум
[13:19:38] <andrewsh> не знаю, может и контрибутит что, фиг его знает
[13:34:35] <Zverik> открыл челябинск в
http://osmz.ru/smoothness.html#10/55.1506/61.5207 и не понимаю, почему ничего не нарисовано. Обновил страницу, проверил источник. Оказалось — просто ни одной дороги с surface=*
[13:35:56] <freeExec> Открыл
http://osmz.ru/smoothness.html#8/54.373/47.576, а там не то что дорог, там областного центра даже нет
[13:36:22] <freeExec> казань есть, самара есть, ульяновска нет
[13:37:10] <Zverik> freeExec: z10-z16
[13:37:33] <freeExec> дороги есть, названия нет
[13:39:36] <Zverik> ах ты ж блин. Чёртов tilemill
[13:41:59] <Zverik> freeExec: теперь попробуй
[13:43:09] <freeExec> дирти вызвал сбой - Error 503 backend read error
[13:43:19] <Zverik> freeExec: ссылку на dirty?
[13:43:26] <freeExec> http://a.tile.stamen.com/toner-lite/8/162/81.png/dirty
[13:43:48] <Zverik> э-э-э. Тебе не кажется, что за тайлы со stamen.com я не отвечаю?
[13:44:03] <Zverik> и у них там не mod_tile, поэтому dirty не работает
[13:44:09] <freeExec> эээ не в никал так глубоко
[13:44:20] <Zverik> просто нажми ctrl+f5
[13:44:24] <freeExec> тогда кто это такие?
[13:44:49] <freeExec> а смысл
[13:44:50] <Zverik> там два слоя: toner-lite в качестве серой подложки и smoothness с разноцветными линиями
[13:45:04] <freeExec> так у меня притензии к ним тогда
[13:45:15] <Zverik> freeExec: ну напиши в стамен :)
[13:46:35] <freeExec> пошла закачка кстати
[13:47:22] <Zverik> хорошо :)
[13:48:05] <freeExec> надеюсь ты по моему контуру вырезал, а не только крым
[13:48:50] <Zverik> freeExec: да, конечно. Едва ли в Крыме набрался гигабайт
[13:49:20] <Zverik> интересно, что по твоему контуру размер базы ровно такой же, как для заливки на tile.osmz.ru
[13:49:42] <freeExec> а туда ты весь мир заливаешь?
[13:50:01] <freeExec> просто у меня в o5m Россия без крыми 2+Гб занимает
[13:50:26] <Zverik> freeExec: нет, границы заливки можно тут посмотреть:
http://tile.osmz.ru/get/
[13:50:35] <Zverik> у меня всего 40 гб сервер, куда там с миром
[13:51:01] <Zverik> ой, там старые границы, я их немного уменьшил
[13:54:59] <freeExec> ого walking-papers это оказалось стейн
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[13:59:01] <Mamyashev> а что, мсье, костлайны больше не с
http://www.naturalearthdata.com берут?
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[14:03:25] <freeExec> кое как нашёл где там репорт оставить, посмотрим, скажут небось сам дурак
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[14:14:58] <Mamyashev> кто-нибудь тут ruby_mapnik собирал?
[14:15:19] <Runge> заглянул опять в статистику раздачи тайлов на openmapsurfer. среднее значение в секунду увеличилось до 150 тайлов в сек. Вопрос к пользователям сервиса...
[14:15:21] <Mamyashev> из homebrew под os x — попаболь
[14:16:06] <Runge> Насколько картосервис справляется? если нарекания по производительности?
[14:16:58] <freeExec> Runge: отдача нормальная, вот апдейт блока тайлов да, стал подольше
[14:17:45] <freeExec> а ещё мне кажется что механизм стирания 18 зума в обновлённой местности сбоит
[14:19:21] <Runge> freeExec: насчет стираний я знаю. нужно как-то пофиксить
[14:22:59] <Runge> а полупрозрачным слоем кто-нибудь пользуется вообще?
[14:24:12] <freeExec> редко, но бывает накладываешь на бинг в осм.ру
[14:27:46] <Zverik> Mamyashev: оттуда никогда осмеры и не брали костлайны
[14:28:11] <Zverik> Mamyashev: он не собираяется. Я пробовал, добавил тикет, его ещё не решили
[14:29:52] <Zverik> https://github.com/mapnik/Ruby-Mapnik/issues/45
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[14:41:48] <freeExec> блин из-за этого ххз теперь в каждой статье смотрю историю, особенно когда не нахожу ожидаемого ответа
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[14:45:26] <maks|krym> Runge: часть тайлов уже несколько часов не перерисовывается
[14:45:44] <Runge> которая? ссылочку плз
[14:45:54] <maks|krym> Runge:
http://openstreetmap.ru/#map=17/45.34154/36.67782&layer=M
[14:47:16] <Runge> видимо автоматическое обновление не сработало. пробуем обновить вручную
http://openmapsurfer.uni-hd.de/tiles/roads/x=78889&y=46973&z=17&tile=getupdated
[14:47:30] <Runge> добавляем к ссылке на тайл &tile=getupdated
[14:48:54] <maks|krym> ох, а что, нет формирования очереди, как в mod_tile, всё что нет возможности отрендерить сейчас, будет отработано в очереди позднее?
[14:49:43] <maks|krym> ну и ещё:
http://openstreetmap.ru/#map=18/45.38974/36.74268&layer=S - на этом зуме есть обновления, а на предыдущих нет
[14:50:10] <maks|krym> 18-й зум, я так понимаю вообще не хранится в кеше?
[14:51:11] <Runge> maks|krym: на openmapsurfer.uni-hd.de используется свой стек обновления, которые не такой продвинутый как mod_tile. а мне одному просто физически не хватает времени добавлять новые фичи и править баги ((
[14:52:05] <Runge> 18 хранится в кэше, но тайлы, в которых произошло изменение не перерисоываются, а просто удаляются из кэша. Это в теории, на практике, видимо, работает со сбоями.
[14:52:47] <Mamyashev> Zverik: tnx
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[14:53:06] <Hind> #намкрыш
[14:53:08] <Mamyashev> опять на питоне писать :/
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[14:55:04] <maks|krym> Hind: Крым как Крым, здесь ничего не изменилось, разве что диких туристов пока меньше обычного
[14:55:18] <Hind> > пока
[14:55:19] <Hind> лол
[15:00:10] <maks|krym> ну я регулярно здесь бываю, бывало и гораздо меньше туристов, даже когда логистических заморочек было меньше
[15:01:01] <Hind> maks|krym: это интересно, а то правдоподобных данных фиг найдешь в этих ваших интернетах
[15:01:54] <maks|krym> А если вспомнить вообще 1999 год, то кроме меня и маленькой групки китайских туристов по Воронцовскому дворцу только экскурсоводы шлялись косяками, сами себе устраивая экскурсии
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[15:03:34] <maks|krym> Hind: ну большинство санаториев работает в штатном режиме, люди едущие по путёвкам обычно летят самолётами, а вот частный сектор на 2/3 пустует, потому что 7 паромов не могут всё равно перевести тоже количество народа, что несколько поездов раньше
[15:05:06] <Zverik> Mamyashev: теоретически можно руками поправить версию зависимости, но я не проверял
[15:05:18] <maks|krym> но в самом Крыму всё как обычно, спокойно, хорошо и тихо, все приветливые, но очень переживают из-за того, что где-то гибнут люди
[15:06:55] <Mamyashev> Zverik лень, питоном владею, сделаю на нем
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[15:10:48] <maks|krym> Ну Билайн без проблем подцепился как 3G с хорошей скоростью и мгновенно съел 500 рублей со счёта
[15:10:50] <maks|krym> так что технически 3G есть, но операторы ограничивают все местные тарифы на 2G искуственно
[15:13:39] * Hind платит за мобильный интернет раз в год
[15:13:55] <Hind> Работает везде, кроме Дальнего востока.
[15:14:07] <Hind> В пределах РФ, конечно.
[15:14:46] * freeExec вопрос сколько
[15:15:06] <Hind> 3000 рублей в год
[15:15:23] <Hind> Проклятые китайцы отправили 3G-роутер на собаках через Аляску, судя по тому, что он нигде не отслеживается по треку.
[15:15:30] <maks|krym> ну у меня тоже безлимитный интернет везде по одной цене, но на побережье Крыма всегда было тяжко со связью и пока так и остаётся
[15:15:39] <maks|krym> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/100006487143526853286/albums/6042550107883194017/6042552758165677986?pid=6042552758165677986&oid=100006487143526853286
[15:16:08] <Hind> Лiл, у них тоже есть Красная поляна
[15:16:56] <maks|krym> нет, это с Сочи знаки перевезли
[15:17:17] <maks|krym> много мобильного оборудования перевезено на переправу
[15:19:27] <maks|krym> там ещё было несколько, но у меня фотоаппарат времён мамонтов, его клинит периодически и только это осталось
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[15:31:19] <red_led> есть живые или не очень?
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[18:13:17] <Zverik> разархивировал changesets-latest.osm.bz2. 8,2 гигабайта.
[18:13:56] <Zverik> сегодня залили тысячный ченджсет редактором level0 :)
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[18:14:58] <Zverik> это всего вчетверо меньше, чем у potlatch 1
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[19:22:51] <Wild> А зачем l0 нужен?
[19:23:22] <Wild> Я так понимаю, что это редактор, который умеет выбирать объекты по условию и модифицировать?)
[19:25:11] <AMDmi3> Wild: ты Gorilay?
[19:32:01] <Wild> AMDmi3: я не смотрел для чего оно нужно :)
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[19:32:43] <Wild> ага... ну вот теперь да :)
[19:33:52] <AMDmi3> я тут заметил что твои адреса в семхозе сильно не совпадают с ПКК, они точно все с местности?
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[19:56:03] <Wild> AMDmi3: ам... а ты про ник спрашиваешь? я "да" ответил на вопрос выше
[19:56:09] <Wild> когда про l0 почитал
[19:56:19] <Wild> в семхозе я ничего пока и не собирал... завтра что ли поехать )
[19:56:28] <Wild> я Wildy если что :)
[20:00:58] <AMDmi3> а, я думал ты говорил что адреса там отмечал
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[20:02:02] <Wild> нет, я вроде бы собирался... так насобирал немножко но это ерунда
[20:02:16] <Wild> наверное завтра поеду туда
[20:02:24] <Wild> не знаю буду ли что-то собирать правда
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