#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-11-25

[00:00:34] <jdh> a 10ee went for 1000 here a few months ago
[00:00:57] <andypugh> Why not to you?
[00:01:04] <ssi> andypugh: 57 ounces of gold
[00:01:11] <ssi> about $75k right now
[00:01:30] <andypugh> Sounds about right, a brand-new 10EE is $100,000
[00:01:34] <ssi> yep
[00:01:38] <ssi> which is absurd
[00:02:06] <ssi> although if you wanted to pay me to make you a 10EE by hand, that's probably about what the bill would be
[00:02:13] <jdh> too huge for my space
[00:03:25] <andypugh> I don’t think it is, if they make them to order.
[00:03:48] <andypugh> jdh: At $1000 you could sell it straight on at a profit. A big one.
[00:04:06] <ssi> andypugh: it's absurd in the sense that you can buy a lot more lathe for a lot less money
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[00:04:20] <ssi> hell, you can buy a hell of a nice used 10EE for $20k
[00:05:03] <archivist> can you make enough stuff on a manual to pay back the 100k
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[00:05:26] <andypugh> The problem I have with the 10EE is that, like all US lathes, the Z-feed handle is in the wrong place.
[00:05:35] <ssi> no the question is will a 10EE make you enough more productive than a much cheaper brand new lathe to justify the money
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[00:07:21] <andypugh> It might depend. The Rivett 608 is a really productive lathe for one-off work as it takes no tools at all to make any adjustment to setup. Only the chuck needs a key, everything else is thumb-levers. I have hardly used mine, but when I did it was a pleasure.
[00:08:42] <archivist> for one off small stuff I think the schaublin 70 is most productive
[00:09:32] <archivist> the lorch I have now is a bit less productive
[00:09:58] <andypugh> Ha! You have a _woman’s_ lathes!
[00:10:05] <ssi> hahaha
[00:11:20] <ssi> another upside to this lathe
[00:11:25] <ssi> there's TONS of southbend parts available
[00:11:53] <ssi> that'd be a good candidate to really go through, clean up and paint, restore nicely
[00:11:55] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=lorch
[00:14:51] <andypugh> The rivett takes 4NS collets: https://shophardinge.co.uk/search.aspx?str=4NS
[00:15:29] <andypugh> The South Bend takes 1A collets: https://shophardinge.co.uk/search.aspx?str=4NS
[00:15:42] <andypugh> Seems unfair :-)
[00:16:11] <ssi> lol
[00:16:17] <ssi> I don't know anything about 1A collets
[00:16:23] <ssi> this one seems to have a plain bore tho
[00:16:33] <ssi> and then there are collet adapters that you push into the nose
[00:17:07] <DaViruz> my mother always told me to not push stuff into the nose
[00:17:19] <archivist> or use morse taper collets
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[00:28:55] <Computer_Barf1> watcha lathein
[00:31:06] <ssi> nothing currently :P
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[00:35:31] <Computer_Barf1> I have a power supply that is missing a cover plate , so im currently drawing up a replacement
[00:36:00] <Computer_Barf1> I think im going to do a triangular hole pattern that I saw in the alien: isolation video game
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[00:40:15] <XXCoder> assuming infinite budget, easiest way would be to use cnc puncher
[00:40:30] <ssi> I have one of those, oddly ;)
[00:41:03] <XXCoder> nice
[00:43:05] <XXCoder> I work right next to two cnc punchers
[00:43:14] <XXCoder> luckly I dont hear em anyway
[00:43:24] <XXCoder> but once a while boy can I feel em :P
[00:44:09] <ssi> not the best pic
[00:44:09] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2MKVh4IYAAr_NV.jpg:large
[00:44:12] <ssi> but it's on the right there
[00:44:19] <Computer_Barf1> http://static3.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1365/13658182/2589188-alienisolation2_1404833866.jpg
[00:44:28] <XXCoder> boy that's tiny
[00:44:35] <ssi> yeah it's a small one
[00:44:35] <Computer_Barf1> you can see the triangular pattern I am trying to emulate on the left of this image
[00:44:38] <ssi> 19x26"
[00:44:44] <XXCoder> yeah pretty small
[00:44:48] <ssi> 18 station turret
[00:45:02] <XXCoder> comp yeah see it
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[00:45:23] <XXCoder> huge for home though nice ssi
[00:45:35] <XXCoder> well or private shop anyway lol
[00:45:41] <ssi> well I dunno if I qualify as "home" anymore ;)
[00:46:42] <Computer_Barf1> cnc puncher, havn't heard of that. I would think that would stress the hell out of a gantry
[00:47:32] <XXCoder> I'd guess so too. though it is designed to be extremely strong
[00:47:50] <Computer_Barf1> yeah I imagine it would need to be.
[00:47:54] <Computer_Barf1> cool Idea
[00:48:10] <Computer_Barf1> I saw a cnc quilting machine online the other day. Mind blown.
[00:48:31] <XXCoder> yeah think you was here while we was chatting about cnc sewing machines
[00:49:25] <Computer_Barf1> i don't remember when it came up or from who but it triggered seeing lots of neat stuff. Some of the robot arm ones that do leather were amazing
[00:49:42] <XXCoder> I was one who found few of those
[00:49:52] <XXCoder> I was googling cnc (random word)
[00:50:27] <Computer_Barf1> Also , i saw a leather cutting machine that actually projected onto the leather , so they could optimally select useable sections of the leather to cut out
[00:50:52] <XXCoder> nice
[00:51:15] <andypugh> I just tried “CNC Cheese Cutting”. There are many more suppliers than I guessed.
[00:51:23] <Computer_Barf1> kind of overkill for a normal cnc machine, but gave a really cool interactivity with the actual workpiece
[00:51:26] <XXCoder> wow gonna google THAT
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[00:53:00] <andypugh> Computer_Barf1: For a one-off try your local laser cutter. I have found that often a laser-cut part is less than the sheet of material to make it from. (though you don’t get the rest of the sheet for later)
[00:53:44] <XXCoder> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Dairy-cutter-cheese-cutting-machine_1908211321.html?s=p
[00:55:28] <Computer_Barf1> call them and ask how long they have been in the cheese cutting buisness
[00:55:43] <Computer_Barf1> ask them how big can they cut the cheese
[00:55:57] <XXCoder> or hoe long lol
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[00:56:53] <Computer_Barf1> yes, given that they are chinese, you could probably extend that prank quite a bit
[00:57:22] <XXCoder> "How big and long can it cut cheese?"
[00:57:34] <XXCoder> "does it stink up while cutting cheese?"
[00:57:36] <andypugh> The logo seems to indicate that they really are talking about cheese.
[00:57:50] <XXCoder> andy yeah and then they say it can also do other stuff
[00:58:48] <andypugh> Maybe there really is a market in custom cheese profiles.
[00:59:07] <XXCoder> you'd have to ensure food safety though
[00:59:14] <XXCoder> so I guess specialized stuff for that
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[01:00:09] <_methods> flatulence is rampant in the cheese cutting bizness
[01:00:35] <XXCoder> cutting cheese while cutting cheese
[01:00:39] <_methods> hehe
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[01:08:24] <XXCoder> everyone at cheese factory cuts cheese and cuts cheese too
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[01:12:43] <andypugh> I believe you may be using an idiom with which I am unfamiliar.
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[01:13:32] <Tom_itx> yeah it's merican thing probably
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[01:14:30] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:14:39] <XXCoder> other ones is colon flute
[01:14:58] <XXCoder> methine factory
[01:15:01] <Tom_itx> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cut%20the%20cheese
[01:15:05] <XXCoder> stink bomb
[01:18:03] <_methods> oh is that an american term
[01:18:11] <_methods> thought everyone called it cuttin the cheese lol
[01:19:02] <XXCoder> nah was kidding on last one
[01:19:14] <XXCoder> colon flute really is one of em, but uncommon
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[01:21:00] <andypugh> http://www.gumtree.com/p/lost-found-stuff/tesco-inverurie-wednesday-/1088822688
[01:21:59] <_methods> only a good fart can create true love
[01:22:05] <andypugh> (I heard that quoted on Radio 4)
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[01:25:20] <XXCoder> you havent had a good fart till people around you could taste it
[01:28:23] <_methods> wow man when i was a kid i remember we were in the video rental store and my dad dropped a bomb
[01:28:28] <_methods> this poor little girl walked into it
[01:28:32] <_methods> and she started crying
[01:28:46] <_methods> her dad ran over
[01:29:04] <_methods> picked her up and was like what's wron.................oh my GOD
[01:29:11] <_methods> ran out of the store
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[01:29:23] <andypugh> Gosh, how earthy you Americans are.
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[01:30:00] <_methods> we're good at droppin bombs what can i say
[01:30:14] <Tom_itx> don't judge all due to the few
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[01:37:01] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, i got the chips off the boards last night. maybe i can get with you one of these days...
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[01:58:28] <XXCoder> _methods: lol
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[02:00:32] * LeelooMinai lols at latest eevblog mailbag
[02:00:42] <LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/KFNZ1N7.jpg :)
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[02:09:18] <LeelooMinai> lol, and one guy insists there's a swastika on the german open-source schematic
[02:09:47] * LeelooMinai squints
[02:09:48] <PetefromTn_> jeez that sounds about right
[02:10:09] <LeelooMinai> O, wait... I thought I was in the electronics channel:)
[02:10:27] <LeelooMinai> Sorry! Going there with this weird EE stuff:)
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[02:33:11] <_methods> wow any of you guys played with the autodesk fusion 360 cnc toolpath creation?
[02:33:15] <_methods> it's free
[02:33:19] <ssi> not yet
[02:33:23] <ssi> I've been wanting to mess with it
[02:33:24] <_methods> the modeling is kinda painful
[02:33:28] <ssi> I went through some of the cad tutorials
[02:33:32] <_methods> but the toolpath creation is pretty damn good
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[02:33:53] <_methods> not having hotkeys is really kinda irritating
[02:33:56] <_methods> but whatever for free
[02:34:07] <ssi> there's no hotkeys at all? :P
[02:34:13] <_methods> looks like it even does full 3d toolpath generation
[02:34:20] <ssi> nice
[02:34:27] <_methods> scallops
[02:34:29] <_methods> spirals \
[02:34:29] <ssi> is it free free? or free trial
[02:34:32] <_methods> free
[02:34:35] <ssi> what I have is a free trial
[02:34:38] <ssi> then it wants a subscription
[02:34:39] <_methods> i grabbe teh startup version
[02:34:47] <ssi> ah
[02:34:54] <ssi> did you have to do anything special to get that?
[02:34:59] <_methods> wow it has a ton of post processors too
[02:35:01] <_methods> nah
[02:35:07] <_methods> i just said startup/student
[02:35:13] <_methods> and voila
[02:35:16] <ssi> neat
[02:35:25] <_methods> holy crap
[02:35:30] <_methods> it has like 40+ posts
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[02:35:45] <ssi> anything that looks useful for linuxcnc controlled machines?
[02:35:51] <_methods> sure
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[02:35:59] <_methods> i mean just use a standard fanuc post
[02:36:02] <LeelooMinai> Free and standalon or some kind of free plugin?
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[02:36:15] <_methods> this is more valuable to someon that is using an original controller
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[02:36:34] <_methods> wow even has a bridgeport post
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[02:36:38] <_methods> all this for free that's silly
[02:36:58] <_methods> wow even a meldas post
[02:37:19] <LeelooMinai> It's not free as I can see
[02:37:23] <LeelooMinai> $25 per month?
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[02:38:07] <_methods> click on startup or non commercial use and it's free
[02:38:17] <_methods> or go ahead and pay them i dont care
[02:38:33] <LeelooMinai> CLick where?
[02:38:54] <LeelooMinai> I can see "download free trial" only
[02:39:05] <LeelooMinai> But trial suggests it's not free
[02:40:08] <_methods> wow it's got a pretty spiffy nc editor too
[02:40:57] <_methods> some editor called brakets looks alot like sublime
[02:41:08] <LeelooMinai> Seems like it's some kind of "cloud" software with "free" version being a bait:)
[02:42:35] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/n7z6xipkbg1bv9x/fusion360.PNG?dl=0
[02:42:52] <_methods> toolpath and gcode post from a standard fanuc post processor
[02:43:26] <renesis> leeloominai: so the funniest part about that letter (which is prob fake) is that the manager says he hand picked the sample from the assembly line and QA'd it before sending
[02:43:40] <renesis> which is exactly what you dont want to happen
[02:44:09] <LeelooMinai> renesis: Yes, and that "sample" was pretty terrible - it must be a joke:)
[02:46:24] <LeelooMinai> _methods: All I have found is that you download the trial and after 30 days you have to pay - so that's not that exciting.
[02:48:23] <renesis> we would get engineering samples of mechanical parts, batch of 5, reject one or two
[02:48:35] <renesis> we later found out they were running batches of 100 and sending the best 5
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[02:49:13] <renesis> so like, the shit we would reject 20-25% of was their hand picked best
[02:49:14] <_methods> http://fusion360.autodesk.com/pricing
[02:49:42] <_methods> see that writing.....those word things that say do i qualify for free?
[02:49:49] <_methods> those word things mean something
[02:50:10] <LeelooMinai> _methods: Right, so where is that free for non-comercial purposes option?
[02:50:28] <_methods> wow
[02:50:33] <LeelooMinai> _methods: That's only students and some startups - inividual still has to pay
[02:51:42] <_methods> well i'm a student for life
[02:51:44] <_methods> so i qualify
[02:51:58] <LeelooMinai> I doubt they would accept that:)
[02:52:04] <_methods> well they did
[02:52:14] <_methods> i'm using it now for free
[02:52:40] <LeelooMinai> No idea what you are saying there
[02:53:08] <PetefromTn_> _methods So how do you find it?
[02:53:13] <_methods> find what?
[02:53:19] <PetefromTn_> what are you used to using in your shop?
[02:53:28] <PetefromTn_> the software..
[02:53:33] <_methods> oh i use solidworks and mastercam at work
[02:53:42] <_methods> but this is great for hobbyists and stuff
[02:53:44] <PetefromTn_> and how does this compare?
[02:53:51] <_methods> ahh it's kinda clunky
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[02:53:54] <_methods> but it's good to go
[02:53:57] <_methods> i'd recommend it
[02:53:57] <LeelooMinai> _methods: I don't see how it is great for hobbyists...
[02:54:05] <PetefromTn_> how does it seem clunky
[02:54:09] <_methods> no hotkeys
[02:54:15] <os1r1s> _methods: I think it has the same toolpaths as hsm, which you can get as an addon for solidworks
[02:54:15] <_methods> kinda simple interface
[02:54:19] <_methods> cut down options
[02:54:29] <_methods> yeah the pathing is very full featured
[02:54:35] <_methods> i was expecting 2d toolpaths only
[02:54:41] <LeelooMinai> If a hobbyist is not a student, they cannot get it for free, so not a good deal
[02:54:43] <_methods> but they have all kinds of 3d pathing
[02:54:44] <os1r1s> _methods: I wish there was a non-commercial version of hsm
[02:54:52] <PetefromTn_> how are the tapping and lead in options?
[02:55:01] <_methods> leadin options great
[02:55:08] <_methods> i didn't see tapping yet
[02:55:09] <os1r1s> _methods: Can you suck in a solidworks file?
[02:55:12] <_methods> i just d/l it tonight
[02:55:20] <_methods> i just installed it sorry
[02:55:25] <_methods> i'm not sure yet
[02:55:27] <PetefromTn_> oh okay
[02:55:44] <_methods> not seeing many options for import
[02:55:59] <_methods> looks like it has some great "vault" options for collaboration
[02:56:21] <PetefromTn_> always looking for reasonable priced alternatives..
[02:56:34] <LeelooMinai> Great for them maybe, to control the customers:)
[02:56:43] <_methods> you can't beat this pricing
[02:56:54] <_methods> and the pathing features are pretty good
[02:57:01] <os1r1s> _methods: If you could import, that would be a great deal
[02:57:05] <_methods> yeah
[02:57:31] <PetefromTn_> can you work directly with 3d parts or do you have to import 2d files and create 3d paths from them?
[02:57:33] <_methods> li think you can
[02:57:37] <_methods> i just odn't know how
[02:57:43] <_methods> it's 3d
[02:57:58] <_methods> ahhh yeah you can import
[02:57:59] <renesis> you can import stl?
[02:58:01] <_methods> just upload model
[02:58:17] <_methods> let me tryin upping a sldprt
[02:59:00] <renesis> i should try it
[02:59:02] <_methods> well it let me upload
[02:59:12] <renesis> free for students is ++yay
[02:59:15] <_methods> it's not bad like i said so far my only bitch is no hotkeys
[02:59:20] <_methods> free for startups too
[02:59:39] <renesis> how they define startup
[02:59:43] <_methods> no idea
[02:59:44] <renesis> why isnt leeloominai a startup
[02:59:44] <os1r1s> _methods: If you can get the solidworks file to import (and be usable), that would be great
[02:59:47] <_methods> but i'm a starut plol
[02:59:53] <_methods> i'm tryin now
[02:59:58] <_methods> looks like it's hanging
[03:00:04] <LeelooMinai> A lot of software has free versions for students, but that's meaningless for most hobbyists
[03:00:53] <_methods> i just tried to upload an stl and now i got 2 parts stuck uploading halfway lol
[03:01:50] <_methods> oohhh 75%
[03:01:54] <_methods> maybe it will work lol
[03:02:16] <renesis> leeloominai: are you in america?
[03:02:23] <LeelooMinai> Canada
[03:02:32] <renesis> take a community college course
[03:02:36] <_methods> yep imports work
[03:02:40] <renesis> nice
[03:02:45] <renesis> you tried sldprt?
[03:02:53] <_methods> yeah still waiting on that i think
[03:02:56] <_methods> the stl made it
[03:02:59] <renesis> what worked?
[03:03:00] <renesis> awesome
[03:03:15] <_methods> yep sldprt from solidworks made it
[03:03:23] <_methods> yep works
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[03:04:03] <os1r1s> _methods: And it recognized all the features? Not just an STL type import/
[03:04:12] <_methods> yeah i'll probably recommend this to anyone "starting out" from now on
[03:04:37] <_methods> nah it brought the solidworks part in as 1 body
[03:04:44] <_methods> no feature tree
[03:04:57] <_methods> wow
[03:05:04] <_methods> it has a feature recognition
[03:05:10] <_methods> running now
[03:05:24] <renesis> installing
[03:05:50] <_methods> heheh feature recog didnt work so well
[03:05:57] <_methods> but who cares at least you can import
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[03:07:01] <_methods> this is a no brainer for people that want to learn
[03:07:11] <_methods> you can model and make toolpaths all in one package
[03:07:20] <renesis> how does it do toolpaths?
[03:07:27] <renesis> it doesnt mention in the features page
[03:07:29] <_methods> it has a full cnc package
[03:07:38] <_methods> cam
[03:07:38] <renesis> no shit
[03:07:39] <_methods> yeah
[03:07:43] <_methods> it's insane
[03:07:49] <_methods> 40+ post processors too
[03:07:50] <renesis> hopefully this works out for them
[03:07:53] <renesis> autocad is dead
[03:08:17] <_methods> even has a nice cam simulator
[03:08:40] <renesis> has a decent tool library?
[03:08:43] <_methods> yeah
[03:08:59] <_methods> it actually had about 8 libraries
[03:09:01] <renesis> if this works im happy
[03:09:08] <_methods> i think 4 of them were for the tutorials
[03:09:18] <renesis> saves me having to decide which budget cam i hate least
[03:09:44] <_methods> yeah
[03:10:02] <_methods> well the modeling part is just ok
[03:10:11] <_methods> but the pathing for a budget product
[03:10:13] <_methods> insane
[03:10:13] <renesis> i dont care i have solidworks student license
[03:11:05] <renesis> creating acct
[03:11:57] <_methods> wow they even have 2d adaptive toolpaths
[03:12:00] <_methods> nuts
[03:12:37] <XXCoder> wow this is nuts lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BpLjdrZFtkY
[03:18:42] <LeelooMinai> What would be a decent runoff on a cnc spindle?
[03:19:04] <LeelooMinai> By decent I mean something ok for cnc milling
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[03:37:22] <tjtr33> re ploymer cast machine bases and flat table surfaces ( all in one heh ) http://cncbridges.com/mmb85265.htm
[03:37:38] <tjtr33> just cleaning up a pile of links
[03:41:26] <LeelooMinai> I actually thought about the same idea - using flat bars separated to make t-slots. They can be easyliy removed and adjusted.
[03:41:52] <LeelooMinai> COuld even use steel for them probably
[03:42:24] <LeelooMinai> I like this design
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[03:44:53] <LeelooMinai> No need to deal with long diffult cuts too
[03:45:26] <LeelooMinai> I will call it "cymbal" desing:)
[03:46:54] <LeelooMinai> E, wait, no - xylophone:)
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[03:52:41] <tjtr33> xylo is greek for wood tho, try metallophone ( hmm not cute )
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[03:53:30] <LeelooMinai> Well, there's a lot xylophones made from metal
[03:53:39] <tjtr33> try gamelan :)
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[03:54:41] <LeelooMinai> I must calculate now aluminum vs stainless steel vs cold-roled steel
[03:54:56] <LeelooMinai> Which would be most economical
[03:55:53] <LeelooMinai> Using 0.5 inch flat bars for alimunum and 0.25 for steel
[03:56:20] <LeelooMinai> aluminum*
[03:56:28] <LeelooMinai> Seems like cold-rolled steel
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[03:57:42] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, still $100 for the xylophone pieces alone:/
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[04:02:14] <roycroft> i dislike cold rolled steel
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[04:02:43] <LeelooMinai> Why so? I thought it's supposed to be flatter than hot-rolled
[04:02:57] <roycroft> it's difficult to machine and it moves around when you start machining it
[04:02:59] <PetefromTn_andro> It warps easy...
[04:03:26] <LeelooMinai> Ok, so what material would you suggest for those "xylophone pieces"?
[04:03:31] <roycroft> the cold rolling process work hardens it and adds a lot of internal stress that gets released when you start machining it
[04:03:36] <roycroft> platinum
[04:03:45] <roycroft> that would make great xylophone pieces
[04:03:59] <roycroft> but seriously
[04:04:03] <roycroft> i would consider brass
[04:04:04] <LeelooMinai> I mean for a table design like this: http://cncbridges.com/images/IMG_0636a.JPG
[04:04:44] <PetefromTn_andro> I actually have a digital machinist magazine article where a guy makes an electronic xylophone using aluminum bars
[04:04:44] <roycroft> oh
[04:04:49] <roycroft> cast iron or hot rolled steel
[04:04:59] <roycroft> the latter being a lot easier to find
[04:05:20] <LeelooMinai> Base would be from stainless steel - but not too thick, because I happen to have it, then I will form the table with resin + pebbles + sand and on top those pieces to form t-slots
[04:05:55] <LeelooMinai> At least that's the current plan
[04:06:00] <roycroft> i use enough ss that my rule is valid - only use ss where it's absoutely necessary
[04:06:33] <LeelooMinai> Would 0.25 steel be enough?
[04:07:26] <LeelooMinai> Not sure if t-slot tables have some specific dimentions for the height of those slots
[04:07:57] <PetefromTn_andro> Are we still discussing the table for your cnc router?
[04:08:03] <LeelooMinai> Yes
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[04:08:20] <LeelooMinai> Also, wouldn't just normal hot rolled steel just rust? :)
[04:08:38] <roycroft> if you abuse and neglect your machinery, sure
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[04:08:59] <roycroft> if you clean it up and put way oil on it when you're finished using it it will never rust
[04:09:04] <LeelooMinai> So I would just need to keep protecting it with some 2d-40 or who knows what?
[04:09:10] <roycroft> way oil
[04:09:10] <LeelooMinai> wd*
[04:09:37] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, probably hot-rolled steel will be sheapest, let me see
[04:09:37] <PetefromTn_andro> I wonder if you could just find some aluminum tee slot table bodies like they put on those Chinese routers online for a good price
[04:09:48] <roycroft> or just buy some 80/20
[04:10:11] <LeelooMinai> It's expensive to buy it in Canada
[04:10:11] <roycroft> hot rolled won't be flat
[04:10:25] <roycroft> but cold rolled won't be flat either
[04:10:32] <roycroft> nor will aluminium, nor stainless steel
[04:10:37] <roycroft> nor platinum, for that matter
[04:10:45] <roycroft> you make it flat after you install it
[04:10:45] <LeelooMinai> Yes, but it will be supported in few places and I could maybe flaten it latter with the cnc itself?
[04:10:54] <PetefromTn_andro> Mic6 is decent flat
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[04:11:24] <LeelooMinai> COuld use even maybe some "shims" under those pieces to get them flat?
[04:11:39] <roycroft> that looks like a small table
[04:12:04] <roycroft> the best thing, if you really need it flat, would be to assemble it and then take it to a machine shop with a surface grinder and have them make it flat for you
[04:12:06] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, I just want to do similar design - in terms of those flat bars there
[04:12:11] <roycroft> it will be flat within a tenth if you do that
[04:12:19] <roycroft> but if this is a router you probably don't need it to be that flat
[04:12:37] <roycroft> see
[04:12:45] <roycroft> the first thing you need to do is define "flat"
[04:13:28] <roycroft> if 0.002" is ok, you can probably do it with hot rolled steel and cleaning it up in place
[04:13:51] <PetefromTn_andro> I would probably just get a piece of 3/4 Mic 6 plate and have it drilled and tapped the full width so you even have hold down points outside of your machining envelope
[04:13:54] <roycroft> if 0.001" is what you need, you can still do it in place, but you have to be really careful
[04:14:34] <roycroft> if you need better than that, then you need to run it under a surface grinder, or learn how to make a scraper and use it
[04:14:37] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_andro: O, that's a great idea:) Let me pick up a plate like this from a tree growing in my backard - I think it sprouts those periodically:p
[04:15:09] <LeelooMinai> Last time I asked for mic6 quote here for my table they wrote $888:)
[04:15:18] <PetefromTn_andro> Save pennies....deliver papers....mow lawns....etc etc.
[04:15:21] <roycroft> what materials are you planning to machine on this thing, and what tolerances do you need to hold?
[04:15:48] <LeelooMinai> aluminum - nut sure about tolerance as it will probably depend on a project
[04:15:57] <roycroft> how much is it going to weigh?
[04:15:59] <roycroft> the whole machine
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[04:16:22] <LeelooMinai> I already built the machine - I am just planning on a table
[04:16:59] <LeelooMinai> The table is movable
[04:17:04] <LeelooMinai> 21 by 21 inch
[04:17:04] <roycroft> if the whole machine weighs less than 500lbs you're going to have to take very light passes to machine aluminium with it
[04:17:07] <roycroft> very very light passes
[04:17:52] <LeelooMinai> I saw people machining aluminum with tiny cnc machines
[04:18:13] <LeelooMinai> I am sure they did not weight even 100 lbs:)
[04:18:31] <roycroft> taking really light passes on small parts is not annoying because it doesn't take very long, even though there are lot of passes
[04:18:50] <roycroft> on a decent size part you'll get really impatient because it might take hours to machine something
[04:19:23] <roycroft> it all depends on what you're doing
[04:19:34] <roycroft> but with a 21x21" table it seems you want to machine large parts
[04:20:14] <LeelooMinai> Not necessarily - this is just my "cnc platform" to try different things, but designed to be able to mill alu
[04:20:51] <PetefromTn_andro> It's a good size for a lot of things
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[04:21:46] <LeelooMinai> If I will have something that can benefit from cnc and it will fit, I will just use it, but I did not really plan for something very specific.
[04:22:45] <LeelooMinai> I may try many things with it - routing pcbs, milling alu parts, maybe even attach a laser to cut acrylic in some future
[04:22:55] <PetefromTn_andro> You should try to visit some local machine shops and ask them if they could sell you a small piece of plate like that you might be surprised what they sell it for especially if you bring a dozen donuts and tell them about your machine project....
[04:23:05] <roycroft> i'm not trying to be negative or discouraging
[04:23:28] <LeelooMinai> A, mythical "local machine shop" - not sure if they exist where I live:)
[04:23:37] <roycroft> just trying to help you with some design considerations you may not be familiar with
[04:23:44] <LeelooMinai> I do all my shopping pretty much online
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[04:23:58] <PetefromTn_andro> There are small machine shops almost everywhere
[04:23:58] <roycroft> there's not an automotive machine shop nearby?
[04:24:10] <roycroft> every town with more than about 3000 people has one
[04:24:22] <roycroft> if they can flatten a head they can flatten your table
[04:24:30] <LeelooMinai> roycroft: Well, as I said, I already built the cnc - that is all it's missing is table and the actual spindle part - need to save some money and decide on those
[04:24:43] <PetefromTn_andro> No you want a cnc machines shop fab shop job shop etc.
[04:24:45] <LeelooMinai> But I have this resin-table + flat bars plan for now
[04:25:00] <roycroft> those aren't as common as automotive machine shops
[04:25:11] <roycroft> so in a tiny town the auto machine shop is more likely to be found
[04:25:21] <roycroft> but yes, a proper job shop would be preferred
[04:25:23] <PetefromTn_andro> They are around here...
[04:26:55] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, hot rolled one with 0.25 thickness would be only $53
[04:27:04] <LeelooMinai> That's not too bad
[04:29:37] <tjtr33> machine shop = tool & die shop, mould shop ( CA sez mould for mold ) the route from detroit to toronto is full of 'em
[04:30:03] <roycroft> and the ones near detroit are all very hungry
[04:30:29] <tjtr33> not on CA side of river, thats where all that work went
[04:34:45] <XXCoder> hey LeelooMinai
[04:35:32] <XXCoder> roycroft: is it because machine would move as gantry (or table) does?
[04:35:38] <XXCoder> if too strong force and light weight
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[04:56:09] <PetefromTn_andro> Lost my damn flash drive today somewhere in the house and tore the whole freaking place apart looking for it LOL
[04:56:41] <PetefromTn_andro> Never did find the damn tiny son of a bitch hehe
[04:57:25] <PetefromTn_andro> Luckily I recently downloaded everything on it to a file on my laptop
[04:57:43] <PetefromTn_andro> So had to buy a couple new ones..
[04:58:13] <PetefromTn_andro> Someone needs to build them with a cowbell or whistle or something on em
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[05:09:23] <LeelooMinai> Is AC spindle the only sensible choice for aluminum milling?
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[05:14:57] <XXCoder> dunno
[05:15:01] <XXCoder> any table plans yet?
[05:15:37] <LeelooMinai> ROughly something in this fasion: http://cncbridges.com/images/IMG_0636a.JPG
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[05:16:15] <XXCoder> interesting
[05:16:19] <LeelooMinai> Because I can handle building it with simple tools
[05:16:20] <XXCoder> whats blue p[art made from?
[05:16:49] <LeelooMinai> I want to use resin + granite pebbles + sand - so I guess that's epoxy granite type
[05:17:09] <LeelooMinai> I think the blue part on that picture is made from something similar
[05:17:27] <XXCoder> theres cheap method online
[05:17:38] <XXCoder> using rotten grinite. lots cleaning needed
[05:17:57] <XXCoder> problem is its bulk only o you have to pay bunch but you can make a LOT afterwards.
[05:18:00] <LeelooMinai> NO idea what is rotten granite:)
[05:18:13] <XXCoder> like granite but weathered
[05:18:31] <XXCoder> http://www.cracked.com/article_21776_5-insane-christian-movies-you-wont-believe-arent-parodies.html
[05:18:33] <XXCoder> oops
[05:18:41] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqWG0vNmKIQ
[05:21:08] <LeelooMinai> I would try to clean those pieces with ultrasonic cleaner:)
[05:21:37] <XXCoder> problem you need to KEEP sand too
[05:21:40] <XXCoder> seperate em
[05:21:43] <XXCoder> so yah
[05:22:39] <LeelooMinai> They sell all sorts of pebbles for gardens in stores - I wondered if I could just use those and mix them with playground sand
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[05:23:15] <XXCoder> from what I understand few stuff is needed
[05:23:25] <XXCoder> different sizes stuff, lots surface bind em together
[05:23:34] <XXCoder> so dont use smooth anything I would think
[05:23:50] <XXCoder> plenty of garden pebbles not smooth though
[05:23:56] <LeelooMinai> http://www.homedepot.ca/product/king-1-2-gravel-30-kg/902211
[05:24:09] <LeelooMinai> They write it's "crashed stone"
[05:24:09] <XXCoder> decompsited granite seems very cheap though just very big bag
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[05:24:25] <LeelooMinai> But they have it in different sized
[05:24:34] <XXCoder> cool
[05:24:44] <LeelooMinai> And very cheap as you can see
[05:25:20] <XXCoder> very
[05:33:06] <[cube]> hey guys, any idea what the hell brand this is?
[05:33:06] <[cube]> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDQ1MA==/z/kboAAOSwKrxUaM0d/$_20.JPG
[05:33:35] <[cube]> unfortunately the only photo I have
[05:33:52] <XXCoder> looks either new pr restored
[05:33:59] <[cube]> brand new apparently
[05:33:59] <XXCoder> all black is bit odd
[05:34:12] <XXCoder> odd
[05:34:13] <[cube]> well, "never used"
[05:34:19] <XXCoder> no
[05:34:21] <XXCoder> er
[05:34:32] <XXCoder> nos I think
[05:34:37] <XXCoder> "new old something)
[05:34:45] <XXCoder> forgot what last word is supposed to be
[05:34:58] <LeelooMinai> new old stock?
[05:35:03] <XXCoder> ahh yeah
[05:35:18] <[cube]> guy didnt answer my email
[05:35:22] <[cube]> when I asked what brand
[05:35:39] <[cube]> he's asking $1200, can probably offer $1000
[05:35:56] <[cube]> I need something small-ish
[05:36:13] <[cube]> this looks to be mid-sized and not too hard to transport
[05:44:11] <zeeshan|2> why you slapping me cube
[05:44:11] <zeeshan|2> :P
[05:44:51] <zeeshan|2> that my friend is an machinetoolswarehouse cnc machine
[05:44:55] <zeeshan|2> ih clone
[05:45:38] <[cube]> hmm nice
[05:45:38] <zeeshan|2> how much
[05:45:39] <[cube]> good call!
[05:45:51] <[cube]> worth a grand?
[05:45:53] <XXCoder> 1200
[05:45:56] <zeeshan|2> lol
[05:45:58] <zeeshan|2> thats cheap for that
[05:46:09] <zeeshan|2> cube
[05:46:14] <zeeshan|2> do you know what size table is on it?
[05:46:18] <zeeshan|2> that'll tell me if its a rf45
[05:46:21] <zeeshan|2> or ih
[05:46:40] <zeeshan|2> https://www.machinetoolswarehouse.com/xcart/catalog/MD001-IH-Clone-p-16133.html
[05:46:42] <zeeshan|2> compare it to that
[05:46:45] <[cube]> no idea, 0 info other than photo
[05:46:53] <zeeshan|2> it looks very much like that
[05:47:00] <XXCoder> blue
[05:47:00] <zeeshan|2> its 2500 + tax new
[05:47:03] <XXCoder> pic its all black
[05:47:05] <zeeshan|2> i know.
[05:47:05] <[cube]> yeah it does
[05:47:08] <zeeshan|2> you dcan get it in different colors
[05:47:14] <[cube]> R8
[05:47:42] <[cube]> the control panel reminds me of craftex/grizzly
[05:47:44] <zeeshan|2> you can do damage with that machine
[05:47:56] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD14mxH4xjI
[05:48:08] <zeeshan|2> its pretty much what tormach uses
[05:48:11] <zeeshan|2> and builds around
[05:48:14] <[cube]> 1000 lbs yikes
[05:48:21] <zeeshan|2> thats good :D
[05:48:36] <[cube]> i guess i'll need more than a minivan :)
[05:48:44] <XXCoder> nahhh
[05:48:51] <zeeshan|2> is that seriously up for 1000 bux
[05:48:51] <zeeshan|2> ?
[05:48:57] <[cube]> yep
[05:48:59] <zeeshan|2> fuck dude
[05:49:01] <zeeshan|2> buy that ASAP
[05:49:05] <[cube]> i dont think it'll last long
[05:49:06] <zeeshan|2> before someoenf inds out what it is
[05:49:11] <[cube]> well
[05:49:17] <[cube]> the post he's selling a 'press'
[05:49:22] <[cube]> 80 ton shop press
[05:49:28] <[cube]> and its liek a secondary listing
[05:49:30] <[cube]> inside that one
[05:49:33] <[cube]> and the press sold
[05:49:37] <zeeshan|2> oh
[05:49:37] <[cube]> found the mill by accident
[05:49:40] <zeeshan|2> that might fool people
[05:49:43] <zeeshan|2> pm me the kijiji ?
[05:49:45] <zeeshan|2> i wanna see :d
[05:49:49] <zeeshan|2> i wont buy it dont worry :D
[05:50:06] <[cube]> sec
[05:50:22] <XXCoder> I found and bought it
[05:50:24] <XXCoder> sorry
[05:50:26] <XXCoder> JK lol
[05:50:31] <[cube]> haha
[05:50:33] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: hows your work going
[05:50:39] <zeeshan|2> wow
[05:50:41] <zeeshan|2> thats a sexy pres
[05:50:47] <XXCoder> great! was tiring though
[05:50:55] <XXCoder> dunno why was simple jobs today
[05:51:01] <zeeshan|2> cube
[05:51:02] <XXCoder> anyway time sleep laters
[05:51:04] <zeeshan|2> rape his phone number
[05:51:07] <zeeshan|2> !
[05:51:11] <zeeshan|2> gnite XXCoder
[05:51:29] <XXCoder> I leave you guys with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cube_%28film_series%29
[05:51:33] <XXCoder> expecially you [cube]
[05:51:36] <zeeshan|2> i cant believ he was selling both those
[05:51:39] <zeeshan|2> for 2k
[05:51:40] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[05:51:44] <[cube]> must need cash
[05:51:46] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: that movie awesome
[05:51:51] <[cube]> I 've seen that whole series :P
[05:52:02] <[cube]> even the one with felix from road to avon lea :P
[05:52:12] <zeeshan|2> have yuou watched the movie
[05:52:14] <zeeshan|2> 'tremors'
[05:52:17] <[cube]> yep
[05:52:25] <zeeshan|2> haha that movie and cube
[05:52:30] <zeeshan|2> were what i loved back in the day
[05:52:36] <zeeshan|2> and im not referring to loving you
[05:52:38] <zeeshan|2> i mean the movie
[05:52:39] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[05:52:43] <[cube]> tremors is a great classic
[05:52:52] <zeeshan|2> wish kevin bacon acted more
[05:55:52] <[cube]> hes good in this one movie i saw recently...
[05:55:54] <[cube]> Death Sentence
[05:57:14] <zeeshan|2> hm
[05:57:16] <zeeshan|2> havent seen that one
[05:57:19] <zeeshan|2> must watch :D
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[06:05:02] <LeelooMinai> How do you call hexagonal inserts threded on inside, like that? http://i.imgur.com/m0q21tF.png
[06:06:19] <[cube]> looks like a spacer
[06:06:49] <[cube]> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/threaded-hex-spacers/1057372/
[06:07:08] <LeelooMinai> O, ok, spacer then
[06:09:29] <LeelooMinai> Not sure if this is metalworking terminology though. Maybe spacer/standoff is more for pcbs, etc.
[06:09:59] <[cube]> ya that sounds right as well
[06:10:18] <LeelooMinai> I searched KBC for spacer and could not really find it
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[06:46:53] <roycroft> i've heard of them referred to a spacers/standoffs, primarily in electronics work and couplers in general machinery/mechanical work
[06:48:32] <roycroft> http://www.portlandbolt.com/products/nuts/hexcouplingnut.html
[06:57:26] <Connor> standoff
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[06:57:54] <Connor> LeelooMinai: We call them standoff's
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[07:09:05] * Jymmm calls em a failure to communicate protest!
[07:10:15] <Jymmm> oh, nylon standoffs
[07:10:28] <Jymmm> or aluminum standoffs
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[07:28:13] <Jymmm> LeelooMinai: Metalurgical geometric lifter upper thingymabobs
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[07:54:11] <Deejay> moin
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[09:20:59] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[09:25:30] <Tom_itx> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/4808/4808K-ND/255345
[09:27:18] <archivist> they should state metal or spastic
[09:27:40] <Tom_itx> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/8405/8405K-ND/255372
[09:28:03] <Tom_itx> they do
[09:28:06] * archivist demands brass
[09:28:14] <Tom_itx> pfft
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[09:29:31] <Tom_itx> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/R30-3002002/952-1510-ND/2264491
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[10:36:10] <kengu> ideas on spindle for 70mm mount for fireball v90?
[10:37:37] <kengu> or some other dimension spindle as mounts are available http://www.probotix.com/spindles_and_mounts/
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[10:52:29] <MarkusBec> where can i find a how to for building a modified FW for the mesa FPGA cards?
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[12:18:56] <alex_joni> Jymmm: what kind of RF?
[12:19:49] <alex_joni> here are some for wifi connectors: http://www.wifimarket.ro/default-14-Cabluri_Pigtailuri_Mufe.html
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[12:48:40] <Tom_itx> MarkusBec, http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_index.php
[12:48:55] <jdh> there are lots of chinese 65mm and 80mm spindles (re: v90)
[12:49:11] <Tom_itx> MarkusBec, unless you meant the FPGA firmware itself
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[13:18:47] <MarkusBec> Tom_itx: ok thanks
[13:19:17] <MarkusBec> that is what I am looking for
[13:19:44] <Tom_itx> i just added a couple pointers to the page so if you had it open you may wanna refresh
[13:33:04] <Jymmm> ##hamradio
[13:35:46] <archivist> Jymmm, how many hams would want http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=ring+nut
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[13:38:38] <Jymmm> archivist: Most of the time its the radio / ,ic's pinout that's needed
[13:38:51] <Jymmm> mic's*
[13:39:31] <Jymmm> oh, you mean the tool?
[13:39:41] <archivist> yes
[13:40:47] <Jymmm> Hams are cheap bastards alot of the time. Unless one is into restorations, I think they would look for an alternative tool.
[13:41:14] <Jymmm> ...instead of a speciality one-time use one
[13:41:23] <archivist> I spent ages googling, so has the person who asked me to make that one
[13:42:10] <archivist> but I do know the cheap bastards problem
[13:42:21] <_methods> what dia is that spanner nut driver?
[13:42:43] <archivist> 19mm od
[13:42:59] <Jymmm> archivist: Could try http://www.eham.net/classifieds/?view=all
[13:43:28] <jthornton> cd emc-degarr
[13:43:30] <jthornton> opps
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[13:43:49] <_methods> heheh
[13:45:21] <_methods> ugh gotta go to customer site
[13:45:34] <_methods> i kinda like going to this place though
[13:45:50] <_methods> they make like giant cable for undersea lines
[13:45:50] <Jymmm> _methods: strip club?
[13:45:52] <_methods> hahah
[13:45:53] <_methods> i wish
[13:46:01] <_methods> nexans built a new plant here
[13:46:29] <_methods> the sheating that goes on the outside of the cable has this crazy smoothing contraption
[13:46:44] <XXCoder> sheating is that shitty heating? ;)
[13:46:45] <Jymmm> _methods: I avoid strip clubs, it's like a giant tease, you can look but no touch.
[13:46:51] <_methods> hehe indeed
[13:48:04] <Jymmm> archivist: Can you make a order page for it?
[13:48:26] <Jymmm> archivist: BUY NOW payapl thingy
[13:48:37] * jthornton forgets how to checkout a branch :(
[13:48:46] <archivist> chaisaw
[13:48:53] <archivist> chainsaw
[13:49:04] <Jymmm> Got Hatchet?
[13:50:32] <Jymmm> archivist: Honestly, if I needed a tool, I'd have gotten a piece of tubing and filed back till I got the profile
[13:50:37] <jthornton> in this example on the wiki I don't understand the syntax git checkout -b v2.5_branch origin/v2.5_branch
[13:51:10] <jthornton> what does origin/v2.5_branch do?
[13:51:30] <archivist> a url for git to go look at methinks
[13:51:42] <Jymmm> git checkout -b|-B <new_branch> [<start point>]
[13:51:51] <jthornton> thanks
[13:52:16] <Jymmm> http://git-scm.com/docs/git-checkout
[13:52:22] <archivist> but dont listen to me as never used git
[13:53:10] <jthornton> hey that worked
[13:53:11] <Jymmm> Specifying -b causes a new branch to be created as if git-branch[1] were called and then checked out. In this case you can use the --track or --no-track options, which will be passed to git branch. As a convenience, --track without -b implies branch creation; see the description of --track below.
[13:53:11] <Jymmm> If -B is given, <new_branch> is created if it doesn’t exist; otherwise, it is reset. This is the transactional equivalent of
[13:53:12] <Jymmm> $ git branch -f <branch> [<start point>]
[13:53:13] <Jymmm> $ git checkout <branch>
[13:53:15] <Jymmm> that is to say, the branch is not reset/created unless "git checkout" is successful.
[13:58:46] <Jymmm> archivist: I would have used a right-angle tips of a snap ring pliers http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/2000x2000/909/9094251_2000x2000.jpg
[13:59:39] <Jymmm> https://ff3d8e6495061f28a832-a7869bbdcfcea96a643a5d6aa79482f7.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/enlarged/08-0279.jpg
[14:01:34] <archivist> they may not fit in the recess, but I am wondering what percentage are not cheap barstards and need the spanner...1, 10, 100(profit)
[14:02:54] <Jymmm> archivist: How much (apx) ?
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[14:04:12] <archivist> 10-15$ or 10-15£
[14:04:31] <Jymmm> plus another $8 for shipping?
[14:04:46] <archivist> I suppose
[14:07:09] <Jymmm> I don't know even if *I* would pay $20 for it. I mean it's literally a one-time use tool. The rarity of having to replace a mic jack is really high up there. That takes a full disassembly of the radios' chassis, adn that in itself is a big clusterfuck. So unless I had to do it multiple times, rapair depot or someone who does restorations is where it seems useful
[14:08:32] <Jymmm> And most mic nuts today are hex
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[14:10:04] <Loetmichel> ouch... i just sneezed 3 times so hard the co-worker 3 doors away on the shitter nearly fell of it... and now my ribs hurt each draw of breath.
[14:10:04] <Loetmichel> ... co-worker called via wireless( FROM THE toilet) "BLESS YOU, here are the windwos still shaking" ;-)
[14:10:05] <archivist> I think one maker used that form, the rest used hex from the rear
[14:10:05] <Jymmm> But then again, some like to boast about having specialty tools like that , or are part of a club and willing to loan it out too
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[14:11:40] <Jymmm> archivist: The thing I would do is find out which rigs use that style, and include that wiht any ads for it
[14:12:10] <archivist> trio kenwood did
[14:12:44] <Jymmm> archivist: There are the big three... Kenwood, Icom, and Yaesu. But which model rigs
[14:13:35] <Jymmm> http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/730lrg.jpg
[14:15:32] <Jymmm> archivist: That's the rig I have and it uses it (sorta), but it's recessed even more so that I would have to take off the face plate to get to the nut
[14:17:08] <Jymmm> and that's a old rig too
[14:17:08] <archivist> mine is recessed like that and that driver fits it :)
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[14:18:15] <Jymmm> archivist: Many of these bastards will spend thousands on a rig, but only $0.99 on a DVM to adjust that rig.
[14:18:49] <archivist> yup, met the type
[14:19:05] <archivist> model engineers are similar
[14:19:10] <Jymmm> archivist: But like I said, there are those that like having specialty tools just for bragging rights too
[14:19:36] <Jymmm> archivist: be sure to include a url and model number on it =)
[14:19:41] <Jymmm> for reorders
[14:20:17] <Jymmm> I dont know how many times Ive seen somethign very useful and the person can't remember where they got it from, and no markings on it
[14:22:16] <Jymmm> archivist: Call it a "rig wrench" or something unique enough to make ppl curious enough to just find out what it is =)
[14:23:41] <Jymmm> archivist: Or instead of a 1/4" hex on the back side, make it flippable and dual purpose
[14:24:03] <archivist> needs a sensible drive method
[14:24:18] <Jymmm> http://www.thunderboltrc.com/images/SparkPlug-Wrench.jpg
[14:24:22] <Jymmm> like that =)
[14:25:08] <archivist> that is mass produced and done hot
[14:25:25] <Jymmm> Do you think they care?
[14:25:27] <Jymmm> http://img1.wfrcdn.com/lf/49/hash/9013/3491556/1/Spark+Plug+Socket+Wrench.jpg
[14:25:59] <Jymmm> Spanner one end, hex on the other would be good
[14:26:28] <Jymmm> let them use theri own philips screwdrver for the "handle"
[14:26:41] <Jymmm> you supply the hole for it to fit into =)
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[14:28:37] <Jymmm> http://www.1977mopeds.com/media/catalog/product/1/9/1977_moped_parts_Spark-plug-Tool-123.jpg
[14:29:55] <Jymmm> archivist: A lot of today's rigs use RJ-45's now.
[14:30:39] <Jymmm> archivist: http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/3991lrg.jpg
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[14:32:17] <archivist> yuk
[14:32:27] <Jymmm> yuk?
[14:32:49] <Jymmm> 897 is almost 15 years old, just discontinued http://www.eham.net/data/classifieds/images/359564.jpg
[14:36:22] <archivist> using rj 45 for any non stationary application
[14:36:22] <Jymmm> archivist: Also, if that's aluminum, wouldn't it start rounding over the nibs? I think it would have to be hardened steel
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[14:37:02] <archivist> it is steel, the nuts are probably brass, the socket itself is zinc
[14:37:30] <Jymmm> ah ok. looks aluminum in the pics
[14:39:52] <Jymmm> the mic jacks I have are pot metal nuts (magnetic), but the bodies are non-magnetic
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[14:46:50] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Thanks
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[15:12:12] <Jymmm> 38F/3C FUCK A DUCK!!!
[15:12:19] <Jymmm> 89% Humidity
[15:12:41] <Jymmm> and not a cloud in the sky
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[15:22:16] <Deejay> re
[15:22:37] <Jymmm> Deejay: er
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[15:23:13] <Deejay> hoi jymmm
[15:23:19] <Jymmm> =)
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[15:38:40] <FinboySlick> If you need to replace a bga chip on a board nowadays, is it still: "You're pretty much screwed." ?
[15:38:53] <SpeedEvil> no
[15:39:08] <SpeedEvil> Preheat the board to ~80C.
[15:39:17] <SpeedEvil> Mask off area round BGA
[15:39:25] <SpeedEvil> Use hot-air rework station to remove BGA
[15:39:40] <SpeedEvil> add lots of flux, and use wick and stuff to clean off the board.
[15:39:52] <SpeedEvil> Alcohol to clean off flux remnants
[15:40:13] <SpeedEvil> Now, stencil on some fresh solder-paste, and reflow the BGA
[15:40:32] <skunkworks> easy peasie
[15:40:38] <skunkworks> ;)
[15:41:08] <FinboySlick> Heh, well *I*'m probably still screwed then.
[15:42:12] <FinboySlick> I don't even know which of the chips it is :P
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[15:48:24] <SpeedEvil> why do you think you need to replace it
[15:53:13] <jdh> did you try plugging in the power?
[15:53:58] <archivist> diagnosis beats guessing
[16:02:42] <jdh> swap out chips until it works.
[16:03:38] <archivist> I remember an idiot engineer that did that, his work always looked a mess
[16:06:01] <Jymmm> heh
[16:06:41] <archivist> scatter gun method of repair
[16:06:43] <Jymmm> Hell, even doctors dont do diagnostics anymore. Just write a script to deal with the effects.
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[16:10:54] <Jymmm> They don't call it a Medical PRACTICE for nothing =)
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[16:38:24] <FinboySlick> SpeedEvil: One of the RAM chips on a way-too-expensive video card went bad. There's about 2GB and I only get errors around 1800GB so I know it's probably 'the last one'. I'm just not sure which one that means on the layout.
[16:38:42] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:38:57] <SpeedEvil> you might try heating/cooling
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[16:39:09] <SpeedEvil> that may remove the fault or make it worse andthenyoucan tellwhich
[16:39:25] <SpeedEvil> Itcould also be that simply reflowing it will help
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[16:48:32] <renesis> heh, careful
[16:48:58] <renesis> gpu usually have lots of inductors, connectors, parts both sides
[16:49:23] <renesis> those things are prob a pain to reflow in production lab environments
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[16:59:39] <SpeedEvil> yeah - hence masking
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[17:13:50] <renesis> i would just hot air around the chip pins
[17:14:25] <renesis> low heat, low pressure
[17:15:37] <jdh> interleaved mem?
[17:16:03] <LeelooMinai> If not interleaved one could just find it watching temperature on them
[17:16:27] <LeelooMinai> But if interleaved - probably not:)
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[17:17:12] <jdh> newegg
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[17:17:37] <renesis> i cant afford a newegg
[17:18:21] <renesis> this egg needs more rams but its ddr2 i dont want to spend
[17:18:29] <jdh> I actually despise newegg
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[17:18:34] <renesis> rly?
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[17:54:35] <_methods> is there a "better" connector to use than the GX (aviation) connectors for control boxes?
[17:55:54] <Jymmm> wire nuts or duct tape
[17:56:10] <Jymmm> CONUCTIVE duct tape
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[18:01:51] <_methods> heheh
[18:04:10] <jthornton> tig welding
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[18:05:04] <renesis> hey wire nuts are the shit
[18:05:23] <renesis> id take a wire nut over some IDC bullshit
[18:06:01] <jthornton> 3m makes the best wire nuts
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[18:06:22] <jthornton> I tossed all the other brands in the trash after getting them
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[18:26:46] <malcom2073> Twist the wires together, over-current them to weld.
[18:26:50] <malcom2073> done
[18:26:53] <malcom2073> :P
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[18:30:11] <_methods> heheh that's how i connect all my wires silly
[18:30:45] <_methods> gx connectors are so 80's
[18:30:58] <_methods> i was hopin someone had a line on some sexier connectors
[18:31:20] <_methods> some hot pink hello kitty bulk head fittings or something
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[18:39:18] <jthornton> what are you trying to connect?
[18:39:35] <_methods> steppers, power
[18:39:40] <_methods> you know stuff
[18:40:01] <jthornton> well terminal blocks does come to mind then
[18:40:31] <_methods> i just got some gx connectors
[18:40:41] <jthornton> if I was connecting a stepper to a drive I'd run the cable right to the drive
[18:40:48] <jthornton> what's a gx connector?
[18:40:57] <_methods> chassis mount connectors
[18:41:07] <_methods> or "aviation" connectors
[18:41:13] <jthornton> got a link?
[18:41:53] <roycroft> i'm using gx connectors for the float switches on my brew system
[18:41:53] <_methods> https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSdu-eJgxMe-Br6siUaiMCU2mKHr4mAEaPw08pc6uls0LUMTOBi
[18:42:00] <roycroft> they were cheap
[18:42:09] <_methods> yeah they are cheap
[18:42:19] <_methods> i was looking for something "different"
[18:42:25] <jthornton> oh your looking for a plug and socket for the cabinet
[18:42:25] <roycroft> they are also different
[18:42:30] <_methods> yeah
[18:42:40] <roycroft> i'm using different types of connectors for each type of probe/switch/whatever
[18:42:45] <jthornton> do you plan on moving it around a lot where you need to unplug them?
[18:43:10] <_methods> nah i just like to have a clean connection
[18:43:17] <roycroft> i'm using xlr connectors for the electric valves
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[18:44:06] <jthornton> the cleanest (electrical) connection is a cord grip
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[18:44:37] <_methods> cord grip?
[18:44:41] <jthornton> I use multi cord cord grips http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-cord-grips/=ur1mfk
[18:44:44] <_methods> like a cable gland?
[18:44:52] <jthornton> might be
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[18:45:16] <_methods> yeah
[18:45:39] <_methods> well that just gets the cable through the chassis/bulkhead
[18:46:04] <roycroft> xlr are pretty clean
[18:46:29] <_methods> yeah
[18:47:29] <_methods> get some crazy milspec connectors
[18:48:16] <_methods> nm i don't have that much money lol
[18:48:34] <_methods> http://www.mcmaster.com/#circular-power/control-connectors/=ur1o4j
[18:49:03] <_methods> no wonder tanks cost so much
[18:50:55] <roycroft> they cost so much because they're manly
[18:51:21] <roycroft> converting testosterone into steel is an expensive industrial process
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[18:57:14] <_methods> fo sho
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[19:18:08] <JT-Shop> I need a 17mm ball cammed up for the lathe... anyone bored
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[19:42:19] * JT-Shop wonders how he can trick his cam to create an XZ path for the lathe
[19:43:00] <cradek> heh for a while I did that with realize
[19:43:10] <cradek> I might've just changed Y to Z in the output - not sure
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[19:43:27] <cradek> and hand- tweaked it of course
[19:43:48] <JT-Shop> realize?
[19:44:06] <cradek> uh http://timeguy.com/cradek/autocad
[19:44:16] <cradek> but even I don't use it anymore
[19:44:31] <cradek> somewhere along the line I quit being able to get qemu to run freedos
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[19:44:59] <anonimasu> Hello,
[19:45:04] <anonimasu> pcw_home: are you around=
[19:45:06] <anonimasu> ?
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[20:08:49] <_methods> heh wooden watches
[20:08:51] <_methods> http://www.springbreakwatches.com/
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[20:14:22] <PetefromTn_> jeez....why?
[20:14:27] <_methods> no idea
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[20:15:12] <PetefromTn_> there are a lot of materials I can think of to make a cool watch out of.....wood is not really one of them.
[20:15:36] <_methods> maybe because they don't have shop class in school anymore?
[20:15:55] <PetefromTn_> I weep for the future
[20:16:25] <_methods> i can't wait to watch it all
[20:16:50] <PetefromTn_> my wife and kids are off all the rest of the week so this is gonna be a nice Thanksgiving break I think.
[20:17:02] <_methods> i'm off after today
[20:17:04] <_methods> 1 hour left
[20:17:32] <PetefromTn_> any CNC mill work you don't get to send it my way I will do it while you are chilling out LOL
[20:17:50] <_methods> hehe we actually are really busy right now
[20:18:07] <_methods> 3 months ago i wasn't sure if i'd have a job this time
[20:18:21] <PetefromTn_> man thats nice
[20:18:25] <_methods> i was pretty sure it was gonna be an ugly xmas
[20:18:32] <_methods> but now we have an 8month backlog
[20:18:41] <_methods> so it's all giggles for now
[20:19:32] <PetefromTn_> I'm kinda worried about Christmas here.... work has been REAL slow lately.
[20:19:49] <_methods> yeah that was me a couple months ago
[20:20:15] <PetefromTn_> I just bid a neat job for a fellow machinist
[20:20:18] <_methods> buwhahahahhahahahhah check this out
[20:20:20] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zuo-Era-Modern-Pastelite-Table-Lamp-Pipe-Blue-Glass-Industrial-Steampunk/131296036264
[20:20:28] <_methods> $249 lol
[20:20:33] <PetefromTn_> it is for some steel plate work.
[20:20:48] <_methods> someon has been hittin the "pipe"
[20:21:32] <renesis> someone will pay that\
[20:21:33] <PetefromTn_> sad news is they will probably sell a million of em..
[20:21:41] <renesis> i wonder if the valve turns it on and off
[20:21:45] <_methods> hahah
[20:21:49] <_methods> i hope so for that price
[20:22:15] <renesis> ikr
[20:22:50] <JT-Shop> change Y to Z and J to K and done deal
[20:22:54] <renesis> that would by far be the most challenging part of the project
[20:23:12] <renesis> jt-shop is rappin
[20:23:36] * JT-Shop is changing a mill path to a lathe path
[20:23:57] <renesis> wut
[20:24:38] <PetefromTn_> you trying to do some turning in a vertical mill?
[20:25:38] <JT-Shop> no, my cam program only outputs mill cam and I'm turning a ball on the lathe
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[20:26:46] <PetefromTn_> You don't have a lathe cam package?
[20:27:24] <JT-Shop> no, I do 95% of my lathe work using ngcgui
[20:28:22] <PetefromTn_> I am anxious to see how I get on with a CNC lathe
[20:28:35] <PetefromTn_> I will undoubtedly do my lathe work in CAM as much as possible
[20:28:48] <PetefromTn_> but I am curious about the NGCGUI setup for quick stuff
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[20:30:34] <JT-Shop> ngcgui will do anything other than profiles faster than you can cam it up
[20:30:53] <PetefromTn_> profiles? How so.
[20:30:54] <JT-Shop> you can even take a profile path and keep offsetting it if you like
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[20:31:58] <JT-Shop> lathe ops like facing, chamfering, OD turning, drilling, tapping, boring can be programed in seconds
[20:32:49] <PetefromTn_> that sounds great.
[20:33:12] <PetefromTn_> are they kinda one at a time things or can you put together a comprehensive program using them and then run the whole thing again?
[20:33:44] <JT-Shop> yea, you can concatenate all the ops to one in the order you want
[20:33:55] <PetefromTn_> sounds sweet.
[20:34:14] <PetefromTn_> I cannot wait to have a CNC lathe running in here. There are so many things I want to do with it.
[20:34:35] <JT-Shop> what I usually do for more than one part is to program each op and run it then when all ops are programmed I concatenate them to one and start firing parts off
[20:34:41] <PetefromTn_> This machine should be awesome once it is functional.
[20:34:53] <PetefromTn_> yes exactly how I would want to work.
[20:35:11] <PetefromTn_> I used to basically do everything like that before I got more comfortable with programming.
[20:35:27] <PetefromTn_> Even with CAM I do that sometimes when I am not sure how things will go.
[20:35:34] <PetefromTn_> One tool and one op at a time
[20:35:41] <PetefromTn_> until I get a completed program and part.
[20:35:55] <PetefromTn_> Then the next one is just post the whole code and run thru after making any adjustments.
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[20:36:43] <PetefromTn_> who made the NGCGUI?
[20:38:32] <JT-Shop> Dewey Garrett
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[20:44:15] <PetefromTn_> cool
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[20:45:51] <LeelooMinai> I will ask again my yesterday's question, since I went to sleep:) Could I but hexagonal threaded pieces like this in a matal shop like KBC? I don't know if they have some specific name (searched for spacers, bit no hit): http://i.imgur.com/m0q21tF.png
[20:45:57] <LeelooMinai> but=buy
[20:46:17] <LeelooMinai> I mean a bigger ones, say with M5 ot M6 thread
[20:46:31] <PetefromTn_> that is a threaded coupler
[20:46:39] <PetefromTn_> they sell them in lots of different sizes
[20:46:47] <PetefromTn_> try Mcmaster carr
[20:46:48] <LeelooMinai> Coupler, ok, let me see
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[20:49:55] <LeelooMinai> I found something close under "coupling nut": http://www.homedepot.ca/product/1-8-hex-coupling-nut/955827
[20:50:30] <LeelooMinai> I guess this would embed nicely in my epoxy granite table
[20:50:41] <LeelooMinai> And would not rotate
[20:52:43] <SpeedEvil> Rotation is irrelevant
[20:52:58] <SpeedEvil> In that the tension will pull it out first
[20:53:04] <_methods> ^^
[20:53:11] <JT-Shop> heh
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[20:53:50] <_methods> i'd use kingserts if i was going to do something like that
[20:53:51] <LeelooMinai> Well, it depends on the construction - in my case they will be screwed from bottom, so good luck with that:)
[20:53:58] <_methods> they're all knurled
[20:54:23] <JT-Shop> you didn't say that...
[20:54:48] <LeelooMinai> I also did not say they will be not attached from the bottom:)
[20:55:13] <JT-Shop> one never assumes
[20:55:14] <LeelooMinai> Are kinserts those to rework threads?
[20:55:31] <LeelooMinai> Or kingserts
[20:55:33] * JT-Shop having produced zero today goes to take the dog for a walk
[20:55:35] <_methods> nm what i said
[20:56:00] <_methods> you don't need kingserts if you're screwing them into something below
[20:56:00] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: take a bag, in case the dog produces something
[20:57:00] <_methods> you just need threaded standoffs
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[20:58:32] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, you need gcode for a ball?
[20:59:31] <_methods> bah all this time i thought it was kingsert and it's actually keensert
[21:00:49] <_methods> ez-locks would also probably work too if you weren't fastening them to some substructure
[21:02:49] <LeelooMinai> Right, I will see what's available in stores near me
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[21:18:58] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, I converted an XY to XZ
[21:19:07] <Tom_itx> what tool are you using?
[21:19:27] <JT-Shop> 0.250 round insert
[21:19:31] <Tom_itx> and are the tools on the back side?
[21:19:59] <Tom_itx> do you know the sanvik number for it?
[21:20:04] <Tom_itx> ie CNMG etc
[21:20:21] <JT-Shop> no, my tools are front
[21:20:33] <JT-Shop> I don't use sanvik tools
[21:20:35] <Tom_itx> just opposite andys
[21:20:46] <Tom_itx> well it's industry standard naming
[21:20:58] <Tom_itx> i haven't done enough lathe to remember
[21:21:26] <JT-Shop> it's a round insert as in totally round
[21:21:40] <Tom_itx> ok
[21:21:53] <Tom_itx> material diameter?
[21:22:10] <JT-Shop> I've already converted a mill path to the lathe
[21:22:14] <Tom_itx> i know
[21:22:19] <Tom_itx> it's just an exercise
[21:22:21] <JT-Shop> 1"
[21:22:32] <JT-Shop> want a dxf?
[21:22:55] <Tom_itx> ok
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[21:23:03] <Tom_itx> i about got it though
[21:23:17] <Tom_itx> except i don't know the profile on the end of it
[21:24:00] <JT-Shop> on the Z- side it is a 7/16 cylinder that sticks out 3/16"
[21:26:54] <Tom_itx> .250 fillet where they join?
[21:27:06] <JT-Shop> yea
[21:27:38] <Tom_itx> how are you doing the cutoff on the ball end?
[21:28:51] <JT-Shop> I'm threading and facing the back side then mounting that on a threaded thing
[21:28:52] <_methods> i need to check the fusion 360 and see if it will do lathe tool paths
[21:29:19] <Tom_itx> oh the nub gets threads?
[21:30:11] <JT-Shop> internal threads yea
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[21:31:30] <Tom_itx> you should use 3/4" bar
[21:31:46] <JT-Shop> ?
[21:32:07] <Tom_itx> save material
[21:32:21] <Tom_itx> 17mm is .6693
[21:32:30] <JT-Shop> ah, yes... wonder if I have any 3/4 bar
[21:33:01] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I should put some construction inside the table, like they do with concrete, right? Something cheap - threaded rods maybe or just rebar (but they are 10mm in diameter - kind of brutal)?
[21:33:02] <Tom_itx> gotta watch the bottom line ya know!
[21:33:36] <JT-Shop> gotta use drops lol
[21:33:41] <Tom_itx> i really should set up a tool table for lathe like i did for mill
[21:35:18] <JT-Shop> I do have a bit of 3/4"
[21:35:29] <Tom_itx> SS ?
[21:36:27] <JT-Shop> 6061
[21:37:11] <Tom_itx> fewer passes too... less machine time
[21:44:44] <Connor> OKay.. Got my replacement Pendant - HB04 unit... this one is working correctly.. no loosing which direction the MPG is turning.
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[21:50:27] <JT-Shop> best get off my butt and make one to see
[21:51:53] <Tom_itx> how deep of cuts are you taking?
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[21:59:43] <LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/ag8aYMU.png <- why would they copper plate it?
[22:00:06] <roycroft> so the weld spatter does not stick
[22:00:17] <roycroft> those clamps are made for welding
[22:00:20] <LeelooMinai> weld what? :)
[22:00:45] <LeelooMinai> A, some molten metal flying?
[22:00:49] <roycroft> whenever you see clamps with copper plated screws they're designed for welding
[22:01:15] <LeelooMinai> I see, ok - I thought it was weird someone would copper plate a screw
[22:01:38] <roycroft> there is always a reason to add a process to manufacuring
[22:01:39] <Tom_itx> ok i get something like RNMG230 for an insert
[22:01:41] <roycroft> manufacturing
[22:01:56] <Tom_itx> not sure about the '0' designation
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[22:02:57] <renesis> guys you ever take plates of delrin and smack your head with it because it makes a funny thump because so light and rigid?
[22:03:22] <LeelooMinai> No, I use surface plate for that:p
[22:04:15] <renesis> =(
[22:04:20] <renesis> thats not ok
[22:04:28] <renesis> for your head or the surface plate
[22:05:02] <LeelooMinai> Is derlin some kind of nicely machinable desnse plastic?
[22:05:31] <renesis> its acetyl, harder than nylon
[22:05:33] <LeelooMinai> I think I read once about it, but found it too be expensive
[22:07:26] <LeelooMinai> Is building my table to work with this a good idea? Would such a system cover most of the clamping needs? http://i.imgur.com/mhRGrWv.png
[22:08:06] <LeelooMinai> Seems to be not very expensive
[22:08:14] <Deejay> gn8
[22:08:21] <renesis> get pretty far with that
[22:08:49] <LeelooMinai> Not sure what are all the parts for - like the "studs"
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[22:09:21] <LeelooMinai> O, I know - they go through those slots there
[22:09:31] <ve7it> LeelooMinai, I use a set like that.... it would sometimes be handy to have 2 sets to clamp bigger/odd shaped objects
[22:10:06] <Jymmm> LeelooMinai: https://d2t1xqejof9utc.cloudfront.net/screenshots/pics/3d9e6206fe2e85d23dee76d8effaa889/medium.JPG
[22:10:19] <Connor> That's a standard clamp set.. studs thread into the T nuts that go into the table..
[22:10:29] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, I see. What size would be good for a cnc table?
[22:10:32] <Connor> clamps go over stud..
[22:10:41] <Connor> Size is based on the T-Slot size.
[22:10:47] <Jymmm> http://halfbakedmaker.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/IMG_0272.jpg
[22:11:10] <LeelooMinai> Right, I did not decide yet what size to make the slots - seems there are many sizes and no standard ones?
[22:11:18] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, 0.025 deep
[22:11:47] <LeelooMinai> There are 6 clamps there - I guess I could always buy another set, but for starters one should do.
[22:12:13] <Connor> 7/16" probably good for a little router.
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[22:12:49] <Jymmm> LeelooMinai: http://www.rockler.com/48-universal-t-track-with-hold-down-clamps
[22:13:04] <LeelooMinai> Doesn't have to be tiny. My table is 21 by 21 inches. I would rather have something oversized but standard.
[22:13:29] <LeelooMinai> That seems like some woodworking system
[22:13:50] <Jymmm> and?
[22:13:50] <LeelooMinai> I want to clamp aluminum piecesa
[22:14:00] <Jymmm> ok
[22:14:07] <LeelooMinai> I don't know - seems flimsy to me
[22:14:11] <Connor> 1/2 probably next size up would be your best bet.
[22:14:26] <Connor> That's what the G0704 uses.
[22:14:41] <LeelooMinai> And what if Gxxxx?
[22:14:44] <LeelooMinai> is*
[22:14:51] <roycroft> i would recommend getting standard t-slots such as are used on milling machines and the like
[22:14:59] <Connor> G0704 is model # of my Mill
[22:15:02] <roycroft> and using machinists clamps
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[22:15:06] <Connor> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Drill-Mill-with-Stand/G0704
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[22:15:17] <LeelooMinai> roycroft: Yes, thats what I am trying to find out - what is that standard:)
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[22:15:35] <LeelooMinai> Is the shape standardized or dimensions?
[22:15:35] <roycroft> like this:
[22:15:37] <roycroft> http://www.amazon.com/Anytime-Tools-Slot-CLAMP-CLAMPING/dp/B007DMLBZ6
[22:15:38] <Connor> LeelooMinai: No STANDARD. Depends on the size and class of the machine and T-SLot sizes.
[22:16:14] <LeelooMinai> roycroft: That seems like what I linked from KBC
[22:16:16] <roycroft> you can get those in larger sizes, but with your machine being rather small and lightweight, the 3/8" kit will probably be fine
[22:16:24] <roycroft> i didn't see you link anythign
[22:16:25] <LeelooMinai> roycroft: http://i.imgur.com/mhRGrWv.png
[22:16:40] <roycroft> i have more things to do than watch this channel, so i miss a lot
[22:16:58] <LeelooMinai> Yes, well, that's what I was shooting for
[22:17:04] <JT-Shop> buying tooling before you have the machine done...
[22:17:25] <LeelooMinai> JT-Shop: Don't do that - build the machine first:)
[22:17:42] <roycroft> jt-shop: in this case, as leeloominai doesn't know what he's doing, it makes sense to talk about the clamping system before finishing the machine
[22:17:50] <roycroft> that will help him design proper t-slots for the machine
[22:17:57] <LeelooMinai> I am not buying anything - I am researching sizes so I build the table right
[22:18:05] <JT-Shop> that makes sense
[22:18:13] <LeelooMinai> And I am "she" not he
[22:18:17] <roycroft> sorry
[22:18:18] <Connor> LeelooMinai: 7/16 or 1/2 to slots
[22:18:20] <roycroft> a poor assumption to make
[22:18:27] <Connor> would be good for your size of machine.
[22:18:40] <LeelooMinai> Right, I think I will just decide on 1/2
[22:19:05] <roycroft> i use a 1/2" set when i'm working on a bridgeport-style mill
[22:19:09] <Connor> how much Z travel you have ?
[22:19:09] <LeelooMinai> Non-metric, but it seems being in Canada I am doomed with imperial:)
[22:19:11] <roycroft> and 3/8" on my little s3 clone
[22:19:32] <LeelooMinai> I measured travel 2 days ago, let me see
[22:20:10] <roycroft> so yes, that 1/2" set from kbc would be fine
[22:20:13] <roycroft> that uses 3/8" studs
[22:20:23] <roycroft> and is probably quite appropriate for your machine
[22:20:56] <roycroft> you can order the t-slot nuts in almost any size
[22:21:12] <roycroft> i make my own, as i think most machinsts do
[22:21:42] <LeelooMinai> 33cm X 29cm Y and 14.6cm Z
[22:21:51] <roycroft> although you're not going to be able to do that on the machine you're building
[22:21:59] <LeelooMinai> SO Z is 7.5"
[22:22:02] <Connor> 5.7" okay.. not bad.. mine has 4.5"
[22:22:20] <LeelooMinai> E, right
[22:22:50] <LeelooMinai> I made gantries taller, because I knew I will have to make some DIY table and may end up with something tall
[22:23:12] <Connor> I have 6" clearance.
[22:23:39] <roycroft> at the sacrifice of stability
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[22:25:33] <LeelooMinai> When they write "stud size" 3/8-16 is that inner thread?
[22:26:05] <LeelooMinai> SO the nut is 1/2" wide and has this thread inside it?
[22:26:11] <roycroft> yes
[22:26:25] <Connor> 3/8 stud
[22:26:39] <JT-Shop> they should list the dimensions of the tee nut
[22:26:45] <roycroft> you might order the clamping kit so you can measure the t-slot nuts and make sure they fit the table you're designing
[22:26:49] <roycroft> they may
[22:27:10] <roycroft> certainly when you order t-slot nuts standalone the dimensions are stipulated
[22:27:12] <LeelooMinai> How about the thickness of the slot "flanges" - does it matter?
[22:27:50] <roycroft> at the very least they should be thick enough so that the t-slot nuts do not stick up above the surface of the table
[22:28:13] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, right
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[22:28:39] <roycroft> the thicker they are the stronger they will be
[22:28:59] <roycroft> it depends in part on how hard you rank down on the clamping nuts
[22:29:10] <roycroft> btw, when the time comes, get yourself a set or two of 1-2-3 blocks
[22:29:20] <LeelooMinai> I have those
[22:29:23] <roycroft> you'll find them quite handy for supporting material on the table
[22:29:27] <LeelooMinai> BOught them once from KBC on sale
[22:29:43] <roycroft> thick parallels are also useful
[22:29:48] <LeelooMinai> Was using them when building the frame for CNC
[22:29:54] <roycroft> and an angle block or two
[22:30:07] <LeelooMinai> Parallels are those two triangles that slide?
[22:30:19] <roycroft> those are adjustable parallels
[22:30:29] <roycroft> i'm talking about the regular ones that come in pairs
[22:30:42] <roycroft> you can get them in varying thicknesses - get a nice thick set like 1/4" or more
[22:30:49] <roycroft> and you can use them to support things on the table
[22:31:45] <roycroft> although since this is going to be a cnc machine, for most things you can just put a piece of sacrificial wood/sheet metal under your work and machine a few thousandths deep
[22:32:10] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, what are they used for normally? They just look like rectangular pieces of metal to me:)
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[22:32:25] <roycroft> you stick them in a milling vice to support your work
[22:32:37] <roycroft> vise, even
[22:32:41] <roycroft> although milling can be a vice
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[22:33:18] <LeelooMinai> I see, like that: http://www.mini-lathe.org.uk/images/use_engineering_parallels.jpg
[22:33:38] <LeelooMinai> So they have basically very parallel sides and that's all
[22:34:04] <roycroft> yes
[22:35:29] <LeelooMinai> OK, will buy them with the clamping set after I build the table
[22:36:26] <JT-Shop> you use parallels with your vise to raise the material up
[22:37:07] <LeelooMinai> I don't really have a vise for such precise work - I just have a drill press and cheap 2-way vise
[22:37:21] <roycroft> when working on a milling machine you generally want your work to be above the top of the vise jaws
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[22:37:32] <roycroft> so that you can surface it, etc. without damaging the jaws
[22:37:38] <roycroft> parallels support the work so that you can do that
[22:37:44] <LeelooMinai> Right
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[22:37:53] <roycroft> which is why they generally come in sets of pairs, at different heights per pair
[22:38:00] <rob_h> just dont forget them when you drill through ;)
[22:38:10] <JT-Shop> http://www.physics.wisc.edu/ishop/images/defimages/parallels.gif
[22:38:15] <roycroft> that's why there are thin paralles and wavy parallels
[22:38:26] <JT-Shop> lol shoot the parallel out the side when you drill too close
[22:38:37] <rob_h> or just make vise jaws :)
[22:39:07] <roycroft> if you have a precision vise you can usually remove the paralles once the work is clamped in the vise
[22:39:23] <roycroft> if you have a $1000 chinese vise you had best leave the parallels installed
[22:39:31] <roycroft> er, $100
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[22:39:33] <JT-Shop> dang if my drill bit jumped off center when it started in the hole, now I have to make a new one
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[22:39:49] <roycroft> making drill bits is a lot of work
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[22:40:54] <JT-Shop> lol
[22:41:32] * JT-Shop guesses he should have used a spotting bit first
[22:41:45] <rob_h> or a 3 flute drill and drill on any surface ;)
[22:42:09] <JT-Shop> wish I had a crib full of them but I don't even have one
[22:42:17] <roycroft> i usually start a hole with a center drill even when using a hand drill
[22:42:23] <JT-Shop> I have a few parabolic bits
[22:42:36] <tjtr33> if you didnt drill too depp, you can 'box' it back into center using punch
[22:42:43] <JT-Shop> I was told not to use a center drill to spot drill with
[22:42:54] <JT-Shop> wrong angle or something like that
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[22:43:07] <rob_h> it can be for carbide drills as most are newer angle points
[22:43:10] <roycroft> i was trained to use one
[22:43:17] <rob_h> so just use the correct C/d
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[22:43:57] <roycroft> center punch -> center drill -> undersize twist drill -> reamer for the perfect semi-precise hole
[22:44:25] <roycroft> replace reamer with boring bar for the perfect precise hole
[22:44:28] <ssi> spotting drills are the jam
[22:45:04] <roycroft> or just get out the cutting torch and blast a hole through the metal for the fast hole
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[22:45:23] <LeelooMinai> Or shoot at it with a gun
[22:45:37] <JT-Shop> I see the keyless chuck is not centered anymore so I need to indicate it... wonder how it got off
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[22:47:43] <PetefromTn_> center drills suck for predrilling drill bit holes..
[22:48:16] <_methods> nine
[22:48:21] <_methods> everede nine
[22:48:53] <_methods> http://everede.net/nine9_2013_ncsd_n9mt05t1.html
[22:49:02] <PetefromTn_> nice stuff...
[22:49:07] <_methods> i love them things
[22:49:09] <Rab> PetefromTn_, why is that?
[22:49:17] <PetefromTn_> I just use a simple spot drill
[22:49:21] <_methods> tool #1 in every machine
[22:49:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[22:49:31] <PetefromTn_> why is what?
[22:49:51] <_methods> cause everyone in the shop knows tool1 is everede
[22:50:01] <_methods> we put all the same tools in all the same holders
[22:50:05] <_methods> so everyone knows
[22:50:11] <_methods> all the same pots
[22:50:16] <_methods> 1/2-13 tap
[22:50:18] <_methods> m6 tap
[22:50:20] <PetefromTn_> hm
[22:50:21] <_methods> m12 tap
[22:50:24] <_methods> all tap drills
[22:50:35] <_methods> that way when you program something it will go between any machine
[22:50:37] <Rab> PetefromTn_, was just confused. I didn't realize spot and center drills were different things.
[22:50:42] <PetefromTn_> you must do a lot of the same stuff.
[22:50:42] <_methods> you don't have to change too many tool #'s
[22:50:45] <tjtr33> "boxing a drill" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESWzx3YBo3g
[22:51:03] <tjtr33> very old school
[22:51:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah a center drill is mostly for drilling a location point for a lathe center.
[22:51:14] <_methods> well you'd be suprised at how often you use all th same tools
[22:51:15] <PetefromTn_> the angles are correct for it,
[22:51:21] <_methods> taps, drills, end mills
[22:51:33] <PetefromTn_> spot drills are for starting drills etc.
[22:51:41] <PetefromTn_> Oh I agree
[22:51:59] <PetefromTn_> I use the same six tools for MOST stuff and then change drill bits and taps etc for the job at hand,
[22:52:00] <roycroft> well a spotting drill is usually 90 degrees, and a standard twist drill is ground to 118 degrees, so there's already an angle mismatch there
[22:52:17] <PetefromTn_> But I do not have that many holders
[22:52:32] <_methods> yeah oh i'm not sayin it's for everyone
[22:52:33] <PetefromTn_> Spotting drills are available in many different flavors
[22:52:56] <_methods> but those everedes are worth every penny
[22:53:02] <_methods> you can use them to spot and chamfer
[22:53:15] <roycroft> oh, yes, i see some 118 degree ones now
[22:53:18] <PetefromTn_> I know you told us about them before I think..
[22:53:24] <_methods> yeah sorry
[22:53:25] <_methods> heheh
[22:53:27] <roycroft> i've never seen them in a shop, but the enco catalog has them
[22:53:32] <_methods> i ramble on about them
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[22:53:39] <PetefromTn_> don't be sorry not everyone may have been listening
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[22:53:57] <PetefromTn_> has what?
[22:53:59] <_methods> i need to pick a couple up for me at the house now
[22:54:21] <roycroft> and they're not really that expensive
[22:54:36] <roycroft> i'll order some next time i buy tooling and see what i think
[22:55:20] <_methods> they're great for production cause you can just swap out the insert and the operator can get back to pressin that big fat green button
[22:55:51] <_methods> and you get 4 sides out of the 90deg inserts
[22:56:24] <PetefromTn_> do they work for tiny drills?
[22:56:32] <_methods> probably not
[22:56:38] <PetefromTn_> IE what size do you recommend?
[22:56:54] <_methods> there's a radius on the tip so i'd stay over that
[22:57:16] <_methods> radii depends on the insert
[22:57:25] <_methods> but that one i linked has a .016" rad
[22:58:02] <PetefromTn_> their pictures suck on that website.
[22:58:08] <PetefromTn_> Can't blow them up either it seems
[22:58:27] <_methods> i think they have a big pdf you can download
[22:59:57] <_methods> yeah under comprehensive list of literature they have pdf's for all their stuff
[23:00:14] <_methods> i've never used any of their other stuff
[23:00:32] <PetefromTn_> hm
[23:00:37] <PetefromTn_> just downloaded it.
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[23:01:10] <PetefromTn_> I think for what I am doing while it would be nice to have an insert bit I have never actually dulled or broken my spotting drill
[23:01:28] <PetefromTn_> That thing cuts beautiful and is pretty cheap to replace
[23:02:43] <_methods> yeah it's probably not worth the money unless you got "operators" lol
[23:03:06] <_methods> inserts just make things so much easier when you're dealing with the lowest common denominator lol
[23:04:22] <PetefromTn_> well like I said I would probably make better use of a dedicated champfer tool over that even tho you said it can do champfers. I do a lot of champfering on my parts. Good surface finish is most important.
[23:04:54] <_methods> yeah i love it cause i can do my spotting and chamfering without having to do a tool change
[23:05:08] <_methods> but for a heavy chamfer i'll still go to a real chamfer tool like a umax
[23:07:31] <PetefromTn_> The Champfer I do on my Steyr Rail is 6061 aluminum about 3/8 face so not heavy but it is done on the loading port area and needs to look good. I could probably get a better finish with a dedicated champfer tool over the makeshift one I currently use. I often have to make due with less than ideal stuff. unfortunately
[23:07:46] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop how'd your part come out?
[23:07:51] <LeelooMinai> Any recommendations on the distance between t-slots on a table?
[23:08:02] <_methods> i consider a 3/8 chamfer to be heavy
[23:08:03] <Tom_itx> 3"
[23:08:04] <LeelooMinai> 1/2 t-slots that is
[23:08:07] <_methods> that's a decent chamfer
[23:08:17] <Tom_itx> 2"?
[23:08:24] <_methods> you couldnt do that in one pass with the everede
[23:08:33] <_methods> i don't think at least
[23:08:41] <PetefromTn_> LeelooMinai Honestly for a machine like yours I would look to getting a tooling plate with a pattern of tapped holes instead of tee slots.
[23:09:02] <PetefromTn_> LOL I do it in one pass with my SPECIAL tool
[23:09:13] <_methods> heheh
[23:09:14] <PetefromTn_> about 6k RPM and 14 IPM
[23:09:30] <PetefromTn_> well actually thats not true
[23:09:41] <PetefromTn_> first there is a smaller champfer made all around the top edge of the part
[23:09:44] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: T-slots seem easier for me to do for cheap. Also, aren't they nicer because you can slide the nuts in them into any position?
[23:10:06] <PetefromTn_> then I make the deeper champfer pass
[23:10:15] <PetefromTn_> so it is not full blown depth
[23:10:23] <_methods> yeah 3/8" chamfer is pretty beefy chamfer
[23:10:38] <PetefromTn_> LeelooMinai Honestly while it seems that way I always find that the damn slots are never where they need to be
[23:10:40] <_methods> plus you need a cosmetic chamfer
[23:10:47] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, the keyless chuck offset was borked somehow so it got trashed... still making the fixture lol
[23:11:11] <Tom_itx> i just got back to the cad.. had to feed first
[23:11:12] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: Wouldn't it be even worse for just threaded holes? :)
[23:11:24] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, how deep a cut are you taking?
[23:11:28] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/6TCytja.jpg you can see the champfer in this picture in the center of the part
[23:11:55] <PetefromTn_> LeelooMinai Well not if you make enough holes..
[23:12:06] <PetefromTn_> Most tooling plates have a BUNCH of holes everywhere around the plate.
[23:12:08] <JT-Shop> 0.025"
[23:12:15] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: I can also make a lot of t-slots I guess
[23:12:15] <JT-Shop> when I get that far
[23:12:16] <Tom_itx> i figured .020
[23:12:18] <Tom_itx> pretty close
[23:12:32] <PetefromTn_> the hold down allow you to swivel your position somewhat
[23:12:36] <JT-Shop> yea 20 or 25 what ever it takes
[23:12:37] <Tom_itx> i have the paths pretty well done
[23:12:45] <Tom_itx> if it's the right machine
[23:13:24] <_methods> yeah that's a good chamfer even in alum
[23:13:44] <Tom_itx> i don't like the lathe package as good as the mill because i can't edit the tooling from within the cad
[23:14:25] <_methods> that is a beautiful rail
[23:14:40] <PetefromTn_> LeelooMinai It is difficult to make a flat plate with that many tee slots I think. Plus you weaken it. I know there are LOTS of CNC machines that came with Tee slot tables that are covered with cast tooling plates with tapped hole patterns so there must be a reason for that.
[23:14:56] <PetefromTn_> thanks man
[23:15:02] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda proud of it
[23:15:07] <_methods> you should be
[23:15:11] <PetefromTn_> I am right this minute making a new version
[23:15:17] <_methods> have you anodized any yet?
[23:15:20] <PetefromTn_> this one has picatinny rails on it.
[23:15:27] <PetefromTn_> no I do not have that ability yet
[23:15:55] <_methods> do some of that cool "paint splatter" anodize
[23:16:01] <PetefromTn_> I really need to invest in it I could really make the parts pop then.
[23:16:07] <PetefromTn_> How is that done?
[23:16:11] <PetefromTn_> I love that look
[23:16:14] <_methods> i have no idea
[23:16:20] <_methods> but paintball guys all got it
[23:16:20] <PetefromTn_> probably a beotch
[23:16:30] <_methods> i think you can do it in your garage
[23:16:40] <_methods> but i honestly don't know
[23:16:46] <PetefromTn_> I guess at some point after you anodize it then it has that matte look and you can just splash color onto it before you seal it.
[23:16:55] <_methods> i hate painting, coating, finishing
[23:17:11] <_methods> i sub that part out lol
[23:17:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah I do too so far.
[23:17:27] <_methods> too much headache
[23:17:38] <PetefromTn_> most guys do not get it tho just a brushed or bead blasted finish and they are happy.
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[23:17:58] <PetefromTn_> I am excited to see this same rail with the picatinny profile on it.
[23:17:58] <_methods> yeah that paintball crowd loves flashy colors
[23:18:06] <PetefromTn_> Should have these done by tomorrow.
[23:18:59] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man I HATE talking dog movies...
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[23:19:16] <PetefromTn_> my kids LOVE watching these things and they just seem to get dumber as time goes on.
[23:19:38] <_methods> hahaha
[23:19:43] <PetefromTn_> right now I am enduring a santa pups marathon while I do my CAM work.
[23:19:51] <LeelooMinai> lol, I guess with those tables there is never a problem with positioning clamps:) http://www.t-slotblock.com/TSB%20VMC.html
[23:20:43] <_methods> wow.......
[23:20:44] <_methods> wtf
[23:20:54] <PetefromTn_> that is actually pretty cool
[23:21:08] <LeelooMinai> Mut be pita to keep clean though...
[23:21:17] <_methods> and to lock em all down
[23:21:25] <PetefromTn_> but I don't really see the difference between that and a myriad of tapped holes.
[23:21:57] <PetefromTn_> one nice thing about a tapped hole table is you can put setscrews in the holes you are not using and keep it KINDA clean..
[23:21:58] <_methods> that thing could pull up all over
[23:22:10] <_methods> and be uneven
[23:22:20] <_methods> i'd rather have a monolithic sub plate
[23:22:20] <PetefromTn_> says it is for VMC's
[23:22:40] <LeelooMinai> PetefromTn_: I saw some t-slot "covers" from aluminum too - same idea, to keep them clean if not used
[23:22:52] <PetefromTn_> sure
[23:23:39] <PetefromTn_> I guess what I am saying is that if it were MY machine.....I would just make an aluminum table with a myriad of tapped holes that accept the hold down clamps stud sizes and be done with it.
[23:24:18] <LeelooMinai> Yes, but I cannot make myriad tapped holes easily
[23:24:48] <PetefromTn_> its' too bad you are so far away I would do it for you on my VMC if you were closer
[23:25:03] <PetefromTn_> something like that would not take long at all and is simple to program.
[23:25:19] <LeelooMinai> I have to optimize everything for easy of making for now:)
[23:25:22] <PetefromTn_> besides if you can drill and screw down the plate you use the machine itself to drill the holes.
[23:25:59] <PetefromTn_> only downside of that is that you cannot add holes outside of the machining envelope which is often where you will want your clamps to go.
[23:26:06] <LeelooMinai> Yes, eventually, when I get the spindle or whatever it will be setup
[23:26:22] <LeelooMinai> I don't have this part yet
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[23:34:06] <zeeshan|2> wow
[23:34:07] <zeeshan|2> 4 days
[23:34:10] <zeeshan|2> of talking about a table
[23:34:13] <zeeshan|2> :P
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[23:34:57] <LeelooMinai> Sorry - I have to research everything - cannot afford to make a mistake:)
[23:35:00] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i totally agree with you
[23:35:05] <zeeshan|2> slots are pretty useless :p
[23:35:47] <zeeshan|2> for cnc machining that is
[23:38:13] <PetefromTn_> well yeah for instance my Cincinatti has large tee slots
[23:38:20] <PetefromTn_> but they are quite far apart
[23:38:25] * JT-Shop suspects an issue with the X axis home prox on the CHNC :( all the X offsets were off
[23:38:40] <zeeshan|2> almost always on jobshops where they are doing different stuff all the time
[23:38:43] <PetefromTn_> and I often have to screw around for awhile until I can figure out the best way to hold something on the table.
[23:38:46] <zeeshan|2> i see thoose huge steel tables
[23:38:51] <JT-Shop> none of my machines have the T slots in the right place lol
[23:38:52] <zeeshan|2> with a shitload of threaded holes in em
[23:39:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah they never seem to be exactly where you need them
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[23:39:42] <PetefromTn_> whereas a nice table shot full of holes leaves you a bit more flexible.
[23:39:54] <zeeshan|2> who needs bolts right
[23:39:56] <PetefromTn_> that is if done correctly
[23:39:58] <zeeshan|2> just glue it onto the table!
[23:40:09] <PetefromTn_> carpet tape
[23:40:18] <PetefromTn_> done that several times
[23:40:18] <zeeshan|2> :)
[23:40:27] <PetefromTn_> works fine for light small flat plates
[23:41:52] <PetefromTn_> seems the same guy who I never heard of before today designed and built the NGCGUI as well as the latest attempt at a jog while paused feature for linuxCNC....
[23:42:14] <PetefromTn_> Dewey Garrett
[23:42:19] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, gimme a bit and i'll have something for you to try
[23:43:54] * JT-Shop throws the towel into the ring
[23:44:17] <Tom_itx> just trying to get rid of the air cuts
[23:44:32] <JT-Shop> don't get much thread when you grab the clearance drill from the tap/drill rack
[23:44:43] <Tom_itx> heh
[23:45:54] <_methods> hehe loose fit
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[23:48:49] <JT-Shop> yea pretty loose threads for sue
[23:48:52] <JT-Shop> sure
[23:49:13] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InvVjA2k3fA interesting...
[23:49:15] <Rab> zeeshan|2, http://i.imgur.com/Y1x6XV0.jpg
[23:49:46] <Rab> zeeshan|2, I think the nut literally wasn't assembled correctly by whoever put the table together. It seems fine.
[23:49:48] <andypugh> Have a look at Dewey’s web site, he makes lovely things from wood.
[23:50:23] <Rab> I'll find out tonight.
[23:50:41] <zeeshan|2> nice
[23:50:45] <PetefromTn_> link?
[23:50:48] <zeeshan|2> such a high helix "D
[23:50:49] <zeeshan|2> :D
[23:52:19] <Rab> zeeshan|2, I cleaned off the nut and screw with alcohol as best as I could. Going to try to use white lithium grease. Worried about compatibility, but I have no idea what the old grease was. Looks like axle grease. :P
[23:52:23] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Err.. http://www.deweygarrett.com
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[23:53:20] <PetefromTn_> nice
[23:53:22] <Rab> The nut is some kind of plastic, but it's really pretty hard.
[23:53:26] <PetefromTn_> is that all CNC made?
[23:54:01] <andypugh> I don’t know.
[23:54:23] <zeeshan|2> rab for high velocity applications
[23:54:24] <zeeshan|2> they recommend oils
[23:54:33] <zeeshan|2> wait
[23:54:36] <zeeshan|2> i might have that backwards.
[23:54:53] <PetefromTn_> are you sure this is the same Dewey Garrett?
[23:55:12] <andypugh> Yes, very sure.
[23:55:13] <zeeshan|2> i take that back
[23:55:15] <zeeshan|2> it could be either.
[23:55:15] <zeeshan|2> :P
[23:55:28] <zeeshan|2> Now this is where problems can occur. In most cases, the grease used in electric motor bearings has a polyurea thickener. If a multiservice grease is being used in fan bearings, it will typically have a lithium-complex thickener. Mixing polyurea and lithium complex-based greases may cause bearing failures because some of these thickeners are incompatible.
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[23:56:07] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2BBjQopArE Same guy
[23:56:35] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: If you scroll right down to the bottom of his home-page there is a video of linuxCNC in action.
[23:57:02] <Rab> zeeshan|2, those are very fast applications, though.
[23:57:06] <PetefromTn_> the one I just posted?
[23:58:26] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: As it happens, yes.
[23:58:56] <PetefromTn_> Creative and clever fellow it seems
[23:59:01] <PetefromTn_> beautiful work
[23:59:20] <PetefromTn_> I like that fourth axis machine he made
[23:59:33] <Rab> zeeshan|2, http://media.noria.com/sites/archive_images/Articles_200902_grease-compatibility-chart.gif
[23:59:35] <_methods> yeah does he have a build log for that?
[23:59:55] <zeeshan|2> what does i c b mean
[23:59:55] <Rab> zeeshan|2, I give up, just gonna slather on some lithium grease and call it good.