#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-11-16

[00:01:09] <XXCoder> try soak in wd40?
[00:01:53] <XXCoder> lightly hit with hammer once a while hopefully vibration will help wd40 go even deeper in
[00:02:04] <XXCoder> im sure theres better solitions
[00:02:06] <XXCoder> solutions
[00:02:12] <shaun414> vinegar?
[00:02:48] <XXCoder> oh sorry it was to cradek shaun
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[00:03:03] <shaun414> will vinegar work
[00:03:05] <shaun414> for rust removal
[00:03:07] <XXCoder> dunno
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[00:03:41] <handmill> hi
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[00:04:33] <handmill> Is there any special requirements for using a MESA card?
[00:05:14] <Tom_itx> parport, pci or ethernet
[00:05:58] <handmill> I didn't get one yet, and would like to know which one is better.
[00:06:08] <Tom_itx> for what?
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[00:06:30] <Tom_itx> the 5i25 seems a popular choice
[00:06:36] <handmill> To control 5 AC servo motors.
[00:07:25] <handmill> I'll start with XYZ, but I'd like to be able to expand...
[00:07:31] <Tom_itx> pcw_home might be able to recomend a daughter card...
[00:08:14] <handmill> The daughter card is an expantion card?
[00:08:41] <handmill> expansion*
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[00:09:04] <Tom_itx> purpose made for various things
[00:09:11] <Tom_itx> ie servo or stepper systems
[00:10:44] <pcw_home> The appropriate daughtercard depends on the available drive interface
[00:11:31] <handmill> What is better, Parallel, PCI or Ethernet?
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[00:11:59] <Tom_itx> ethernet is still being tested i think
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[00:12:46] <pcw_home> support of Ethernet connected Mesa cards is only available with LinuxCNC 2.7
[00:12:56] <pcw_home> (or later)
[00:13:16] <pcw_home> the PCI/PCIE cards are most common now
[00:13:48] <handmill> What are the differences between the 3 interface types?
[00:14:15] <Tom_itx> just that..
[00:14:59] <Tom_itx> parport was probably available first then pci/pcie
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[00:15:31] <handmill> Which interface will have the best performance?
[00:15:50] <Tom_itx> probably all about the same
[00:16:01] <Tom_itx> the tasks are offloaded to the mesa card
[00:16:22] <pcw_home> Parallel connect to a PC parallel port (so you need a parallel port preferably a motherboard port)
[00:16:23] <pcw_home> PCI needs a PCI slot in the machine, PCIE needs a PCIE
[00:16:25] <pcw_home> Ethernet needs a dedicated Ethernet connection
[00:16:27] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, isn't 2.6.5 the latest?
[00:16:44] <LeelooMinai> Or is 2.7 some beta stage (?)
[00:17:10] <Tom_itx> i don't think it's that far along yet
[00:17:20] <Tom_itx> could be mistaken...
[00:17:25] <pcw_home> There are performance differences:
[00:17:26] <pcw_home> PCI/PCIE are the fastest
[00:17:28] <pcw_home> Ethernet is mid way
[00:17:29] <pcw_home> Parallel is the slowest
[00:17:47] <pcw_home> But for a normal 1 KHz servo thread all are fine performance wise
[00:18:29] <LeelooMinai> pcw_home: What is that about linuxCNC 2.7?
[00:18:36] <pcw_home> The only case where higher performance is important is whwre you need a high servo thread rate
[00:18:48] <handmill> So using MESA card the card get the code line by line, or does the card gets everything from the computer and than manage the milling by itself?
[00:18:51] <pcw_home> (like with torque mode drives)
[00:19:28] <pcw_home> All trajectory planning is handled by linuxcnc (in real time)
[00:19:35] <Tom_itx> on the pc
[00:20:26] <handmill> So I should use the fastest interface for best performance?
[00:20:43] <Tom_itx> if you think you'll need it
[00:20:52] <Tom_itx> i'd personally go with pci or pcie now
[00:21:00] <Tom_itx> it wasn't quite available when i did mine
[00:21:29] <handmill> So you used parallel?
[00:21:38] <Tom_itx> yep
[00:21:52] <Tom_itx> 7i43 with a 7i47
[00:22:04] <Tom_itx> i'm using steppers though
[00:23:16] <pcw_home> performance will not be affected by the low level interface performance, _unless_ you
[00:23:17] <pcw_home> need a faster than normal servo thread. Typically for velocity mode servos, theres not a big advantage
[00:23:19] <pcw_home> in running faster than 1 KHz though , in which case all interfaces behave the same
[00:23:23] <Tom_itx> mesa is definitely the way to go though at any interface level
[00:24:26] <handmill> So which PCI/PCIe is recomended to support 5 AC servo motors, limit switches, touch probe, tool length, etc..?
[00:25:03] <Tom_itx> what drivers do you have for the servos?
[00:25:56] <handmill> Which ones should I get?
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[00:28:00] <handmill> The motors need to be atleast 1.5 n/m and the Z axis should be atleast 4 n/m..
[00:28:45] <pcw_home> LeelooMinai: 2.7 is the next linuxcnc release candidate (master has moved on to 2.8 now)
[00:29:10] <pcw_home> I think 2.7 is fairly close to release
[00:29:24] <pcw_home> (but thats just a guess)
[00:29:35] <LeelooMinai> I see. When it's released will it be updateable from Debian ISO?
[00:30:23] <pcw_home> normally you update by getting the latest package (no need to re-install)
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[00:33:44] <pcw_home> The latest ISO was remade recently because there was a kernel update that fixed a serious USB bug in Baytrail based motherboards
[00:35:55] <pcw_home> That is, the old kernel had a bug with USB on Baytrail MBs
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[00:41:57] <andypugh> handmill: See what drives you can find, then if they take +/- 10V input use 5i25 / 7i77 and if they take step / dir then use 5i25 / 7i76.
[00:43:06] <Tom_itx> sounds like he doesn't have the servos yet either
[00:43:09] <handmill> Which driver would you get (any recomended store?)
[00:43:10] <andypugh> Unless you need something unusual, like Resolvers, in which case you need one of the 50-pin Mesa cards rather than the 25=pin D-sub stylke.
[00:43:28] <andypugh> Do you have the motors?
[00:44:07] <handmill> No, I'm just starting off with a manual milling machine that I'd like to convert to CNC.
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[00:58:04] <andypugh> In that case, scour eBay for likely motors and drivers, then choose the interface hardware to suit later.
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[01:00:35] <andypugh> (I found three motors on eBay for £50 which were such a bargain that I ended up spending £1000 on a machine to suit them, and months writing drivers for brushless motor drives and Mesa resolver cards. The good news is that that is now done, and brushless motors and/or resolvers are no longer a problem)
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[01:11:15] <andypugh> handmill: What make/model of milling machine are you converting?
[01:11:38] <handmill> G0704
[01:12:31] <handmill> andypugh: ^
[01:12:50] <andypugh> A common and popular conversion.
[01:14:03] <handmill> Do you know of someone that did this conversion and used AC servos?
[01:15:41] <andypugh> I haven’t paid much attention. I converted something similar with no reference to anyone, and then decided to have nothing more to do with Chinese iron.
[01:16:29] <jdh> some one here has a servo version. different label on mill though
[01:16:30] <andypugh> Anything else I convert is going to have been made in Yorkshire (or possibly Colchester)
[01:17:15] <PetefromTn_> I just helped my friend Connor here making some mounts and parts for a Stepper Conversion of that machine LOL
[01:19:39] <andypugh> FA-Parts on eBay has a lot of used sets. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251323643029 has drivers, motors, mains filter, connectors and even a parallel ort breakout (which you probably wouldn’t use).
[01:20:01] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/b1cH2in,65yvceN#1 I am definitely NOT a sheetmetal guy but I managed to get the ducts made without a brake or shear and got it screwed together this afternoon. Whaddya think?
[01:20:23] <zeeshan> that looks great man
[01:20:30] <andypugh> Functional :-)
[01:20:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know it ain't pretty
[01:20:43] <PetefromTn_> but it should work fine
[01:20:45] <zeeshan> what
[01:20:50] <PetefromTn_> Once it is screwed to the existing duct
[01:20:51] <zeeshan> thats what hvac stuff looks like
[01:20:55] <zeeshan> even in that video
[01:20:57] <zeeshan> using that fancy brake
[01:20:58] <PetefromTn_> it should be a lot more solid too
[01:21:03] <zeeshan> it was a floopy noodle
[01:21:17] <PetefromTn_> that's true
[01:21:28] <PetefromTn_> I thought it came out decent really considering
[01:21:32] <andypugh> Pop-rivets might look nicer inside than self-tappers, but no-one else will ever see the inside.
[01:21:40] <PetefromTn_> The templates worked fine
[01:21:43] <zeeshan> andypugh: hvac they use sheet metal screws
[01:21:49] <zeeshan> =P
[01:21:52] <zeeshan> i have yet to see rivets!
[01:22:05] <PetefromTn_> I had pop rivets but drilling thru the two pieces is kind of a bitch
[01:22:12] <PetefromTn_> I tried it in a couple spots
[01:22:19] <zeeshan> self tapping screwz
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[01:22:55] <PetefromTn_> Using the butterfly impact driver 3/8 inch and the self tapping screws it went rather quickly
[01:23:14] <andypugh> My furnace is uglier than your duct sheet-metal-wise: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/kOXgwXHGQ_6kUm_7og3egtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[01:23:17] <PetefromTn_> It actually seems like it should fit and work great.
[01:24:33] <PetefromTn_> the round ring kinda tweaked a bit but once the flexible duct is installed onto it you are supposed to use these HUGE zip ties and the aluminum tape to lock it on. Should make it more round again.
[01:24:36] <andypugh> (worked well though, all the gears and nuts are now hardened and tempered)
[01:24:52] <PetefromTn_> andypugh That looks pretty nice tho mna.
[01:24:53] <zeeshan> what temps can you hit?
[01:24:53] <PetefromTn_> man
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[01:25:08] <andypugh> I have had it up to 850C (1500F)
[01:25:15] <zeeshan> wow
[01:25:34] <PetefromTn_> what is the heating element?
[01:25:36] <zeeshan> are you using nichrome?
[01:25:47] <andypugh> I am thinking I can put it on the end and melt aluminum and brass in it too.
[01:26:38] <andypugh> Yes, 10m of Brightray alloy wrapped round an alumina tube for a 2kW element, then all wrapped in ceramic wool blanket.
[01:27:10] <andypugh> The camera sees colours differently: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0KBnb_gsIAVDxe1ALNSTsNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[01:27:27] <zeeshan> wow dude
[01:27:29] <zeeshan> that looks bad ass
[01:27:35] <zeeshan> i dont see why you cant melt aluminum in it
[01:27:44] <PetefromTn_> that looks pretty damn hot LOL
[01:28:02] <zeeshan> you can even put hotdogs inthere
[01:28:08] <zeeshan> and get em nice and crispy!
[01:28:41] <PetefromTn_> https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5747722155741347649/5685341572125920082?pid=5685341572125920082&oid=108164504656404380542 Damn Andy I did not know you were loaded with GOLD!!
[01:29:11] <XXCoder> heh always wanted to try my hand in melting alum
[01:29:20] <zeeshan> XXCoder: dont melt your h and
[01:29:55] <andypugh> That ingot is actually White Metal, we used it to re-make the big-end bearings on the 1916 fire engine.
[01:30:17] <XXCoder> weird https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/art/4763160481.html
[01:30:24] <zeeshan> whitemetal?
[01:30:28] <zeeshan> aka babbit?
[01:30:44] <handmill> I'm located across the pond.. 220 V stuff wouldn't work on our 120 V grid..
[01:31:03] <zeeshan> It is preferred over the term "white metal", because the latter term may refer to various bearing alloys, lead- or tin-based alloys, or zinc die-casting metal.
[01:31:05] <zeeshan> okay same thing
[01:31:05] <zeeshan> :D
[01:31:06] <handmill> andypugh: ^
[01:31:11] <XXCoder> wonder if pottery kilnb would get hot enough to melt alum
[01:31:45] <pcw_home> Yep
[01:32:11] <zeeshan> handmill: wut
[01:32:48] <XXCoder> well finally cant go any futher up mountain lol
[01:33:08] <XXCoder> barely entered mountain foot
[01:33:19] <handmill> andypugh sent me a link for drivers that require 220V AC, I'm in the US where the standard electric is only 120V AC...
[01:33:24] <andypugh> handmill: For 120V you would still need 10m of wire (current density and power limits) but you would have to add an extra lead-out in the middle and common the ends. (or use thicker wire than the spool I found in the skip years ago, of course :-)
[01:35:20] <andypugh> handmill: Ah, for the servo-drives you would need to find the manuals to see if they work on your effette US electricity.
[01:37:14] <andypugh> Anyway, time to sleep. I have a trip on the Ner-a-Car planned for tomorrow, and that means an early start.
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[01:43:38] <ssi> hrm
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[01:49:42] <PetefromTn_> Woohoo my wife is surprising us with some of her world famous home made soft pretzels!!
[01:49:55] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[01:50:21] <XXCoder> if its world famous why dont I know it??
[01:50:24] <XXCoder> heh
[01:50:55] <PetefromTn_> you must live out in the boondocks or something hehe It is Famous in the KNOWN world anyways..
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[01:51:08] <XXCoder> yeah thats true. tacoma, wa is really out of way
[01:51:09] <PetefromTn_> the only world that matters...
[01:51:16] <PetefromTn_> my living room
[01:51:20] <PetefromTn_> hehehe
[01:51:27] <XXCoder> lol
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[02:19:36] <roycroft> so the threading the ss cap is done, and it went better than expected
[02:20:01] <roycroft> if i had real machinery it would have gone even more easily
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[02:48:56] <Aero-Tec2> NEED HELP
[02:49:00] <Aero-Tec2> OOPS
[02:49:13] <Aero-Tec2> was programming
[02:49:26] <Aero-Tec2> caned gcode for lathe
[02:50:34] <shaun414> GCODE
[02:50:37] <shaun414> CODEG
[02:50:40] <Aero-Tec2> get error message G18 not possible without Y axis
[02:51:01] <Aero-Tec2> I have no G18 in Gcode
[02:52:04] <zeeshan> is this a new retrofit/setup?
[02:52:20] <zeeshan> G18 is xz plane
[02:52:25] <zeeshan> not sure why youre getting something about Y axis.
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[02:53:49] <Aero-Tec2> ok the G18 is in the startup INI code
[02:54:06] <Aero-Tec2> and it is a lathe so G18 should be there
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[02:54:56] <Aero-Tec2> no new retro
[02:55:01] <Aero-Tec2> but is a retro
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[02:55:36] <Aero-Tec2> been using it and running the G18 INI code for other Gcode and had no problems
[02:56:05] <Aero-Tec2> but first time running a canned Gcode instruction
[02:56:58] <Aero-Tec2> I test code on a sim machine
[02:57:42] <Aero-Tec2> so linuxCNC running in sim mode on a computer in the programming lab
[02:58:01] <Aero-Tec2> have not tried in the the real thing yet
[02:58:12] <Aero-Tec2> but have not seen this error before
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[02:58:38] <Aero-Tec2> G73
[02:58:48] <Aero-Tec2> should I do a G83?
[02:58:56] <Aero-Tec2> G81
[02:59:06] <Aero-Tec2> not sure whats up here
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[03:04:48] <Aero-Tec2> are all canned cycles not possible on a lathe?
[03:05:00] <Aero-Tec2> threading must be possible
[03:05:23] <zeeshan> you can do em
[03:05:49] <Aero-Tec2> so why the error for G73?
[03:06:03] <Aero-Tec2> is this just a sim glitch?
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[03:06:52] <zeeshan> i dont know sorry :P
[03:06:56] <zeeshan> ive only done threadsing cycles
[03:07:13] <Aero-Tec2> what do you do for drilling?
[03:07:40] <Aero-Tec2> you only do ext threads?
[03:08:18] <Aero-Tec2> BTW thanks for the help
[03:09:19] <Aero-Tec2> will se if it loads on the real thing
[03:09:22] <zeeshan> drilling is done by hand
[03:10:04] <cradek> what motion do you want to have when you do the g81?
[03:11:21] <cradek> the error you probably saw was precisely "G18 canned cycle is not possible on a machine without Y axis"
[03:11:49] <cradek> ... which is correct, because if you are in G18 mode and you program G81, it means you want to drill along Y
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[03:12:33] <cradek> if you want to drill with Z program G17; if you want to drill with W program G17.1, etc
[03:26:50] <Aero-Tec2> thought G18 was lathe mode
[03:27:07] <Aero-Tec2> is G17 lathe node?
[03:27:14] <Aero-Tec2> mode
[03:27:33] <zeeshan> neither is lathe mode
[03:27:40] <Aero-Tec2> BTW the lathe had same error
[03:27:42] <zeeshan> they selection plane selection of movement.
[03:28:10] <zeeshan> what cradek was saying
[03:28:19] <zeeshan> when you have g18 youre selection XZ plane.
[03:28:25] <Aero-Tec2> I have been using G18 when running the lathe
[03:28:32] <zeeshan> so when you issue a g81 it drills in Y axis.
[03:28:37] <zeeshan> i understand that
[03:28:43] <zeeshan> you gotta call g18 for all your lathe moves
[03:28:47] <Aero-Tec2> cradek, your right about the error message
[03:28:54] <zeeshan> but you need to call g17 before you drill
[03:29:05] <zeeshan> and then swap back to g18 after you're done the drill cycle
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[03:30:19] <Aero-Tec2> cool
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[03:30:43] <Aero-Tec2> will have to lookup why that would be
[03:31:28] <Aero-Tec2> sound funny, but sure there is a good reason for it
[03:31:54] <Aero-Tec2> I really must be missing something
[03:33:13] <Roguish> hey all. I'm trying to get gmoccapy to run and get the following error. any clues would be helpful, i'm at a loss..
[03:33:14] <Roguish> Starting TASK program: milltask
[03:33:15] <Roguish> Starting DISPLAY program: gmocappy
[03:33:17] <Roguish> Can't execute DISPLAY program gmocappy
[03:33:18] <Roguish> Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC...
[03:33:20] <Roguish> emc/task/emctask.cc 389: interp_error: Cannot restore context from invalid stack frame - missing M70/M73?
[03:33:21] <Roguish> Cannot restore context from invalid stack frame - missing M70/M73?
[03:33:23] <Roguish> emc/task/emctaskmain.cc 3003: can't initialize interpreter
[03:33:24] <Roguish> Killing task linuxcncsvr, PID=19029
[03:34:23] <Aero-Tec2> so in G17 mode do I still use Z for drilling the hole?
[03:34:44] <Aero-Tec2> is Z still Z in G17 when running a lathe?
[03:34:58] <Aero-Tec2> I am messed up here
[03:35:24] <Aero-Tec2> looked up G17 and am lost as to what is going on
[03:36:05] <Aero-Tec2> does Z become Y?
[03:36:26] <Aero-Tec2> brain feels like it is shorting out
[03:36:27] <Aero-Tec2> lol
[03:36:29] <Tom_itx> it shifts machine coordinates
[03:37:19] <Tom_itx> i'm lost to know why a lathe would need G17
[03:38:50] <Tom_itx> are you doing a 2nd op like a cross drill etc?
[03:38:56] <Aero-Tec2> for running canned Gcode
[03:39:03] <Aero-Tec2> no
[03:39:20] <Aero-Tec2> simple end drilling
[03:39:28] <Aero-Tec2> down the Z
[03:39:53] <Aero-Tec2> and I am glad I am not the only one not understanding this whole thing
[03:40:11] <Aero-Tec2> I wanted to run G73
[03:40:26] <Aero-Tec2> but complains there is no Y axis
[03:40:36] <Aero-Tec2> get error message
[03:40:48] <Aero-Tec2> but lathe has no Y axis
[03:40:57] <Aero-Tec2> not mine at least
[03:41:25] <Tom_itx> my Okuma lathe manual shows nothing for G17..19
[03:41:36] <Aero-Tec2> all I want to do is drill a hole
[03:41:46] <Tom_itx> so shove the tool in the hole
[03:41:53] <Aero-Tec2> lol
[03:41:54] <Tom_itx> S xxx F xxx
[03:41:59] <Tom_itx> linear move
[03:42:04] <Aero-Tec2> under CNC control
[03:42:06] <Tom_itx> or peck
[03:42:15] <Aero-Tec2> with peck
[03:42:17] <Tom_itx> i realize that. that's what htis channel is
[03:42:36] <Aero-Tec2> doing a loop to make G73 do peck
[03:43:01] <Tom_itx> i wonder what my cad cam spits out for a hole
[03:43:49] <Aero-Tec2> would guess linear moves
[03:44:00] <Aero-Tec2> not canned stuff
[03:45:11] <Aero-Tec2> I wanted to write a chunk of code that be changing a few values I could drill any hole, or most any
[03:45:56] <Aero-Tec2> deep or shallow and have auto peak start when hole was 3 times deeper then dis of drill
[03:46:06] <Aero-Tec2> dia
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[03:49:55] <Tom_itx> it posts linear moves
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[03:50:08] <Tom_itx> but that's a function of the post i set up for it
[03:50:29] <Tom_L> T05 M06
[03:50:29] <Tom_L> G97 S100
[03:50:29] <Tom_L> M03
[03:50:29] <Tom_L> M08
[03:50:29] <Tom_L> G17 G00 G90
[03:50:29] <Tom_L> G43 Z0.0 H5
[03:50:30] <Tom_L> G01 X3.45 F0.001
[03:50:30] <Tom_L> G00 X3.469
[03:50:31] <Aero-Tec2> well G17 works
[03:50:31] <Tom_L> G00 X0.396 Z3.581 M09
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[03:50:52] <Tom_L> feeds etc aren't right... was a test
[03:50:58] <Aero-Tec2> go figure
[03:51:11] <Aero-Tec2> I am at a total loss as to why
[03:51:35] <Tom_itx> feature of that Gcode
[03:51:38] <Tom_itx> drill cycle
[03:51:55] <zeeshan> aerotech i explaed it to you
[03:51:57] <zeeshan> explained
[03:52:04] <zeeshan> g17 g18 don't select "lathe mode"
[03:52:18] <Aero-Tec2> yes
[03:52:19] <zeeshan> they select the plane of movement of canned cycles for example
[03:52:29] <zeeshan> yes its true that you use g18 most of the time for lathe
[03:52:35] <zeeshan> because youre moving in the XZ plane
[03:52:43] <zeeshan> but the drill cycle works in the XY plane
[03:52:49] <zeeshan> to drill in the Z direction
[03:52:53] <Aero-Tec2> but my lathe has no Y, so why do I need G17?
[03:53:02] <zeeshan> because thats how the canned drill cycle works
[03:53:13] <zeeshan> say you did G18 before G81
[03:53:19] <zeeshan> it'll think you want to plunge in the Y direction
[03:53:27] <zeeshan> if you did G17 before G81 it'll plunge in the Z direction
[03:53:31] <Tom_itx> it shifts the coordinates
[03:53:38] <Tom_itx> like i said earlier
[03:53:42] <Aero-Tec2> ok
[03:53:46] <zeeshan> i know its a bit confusing
[03:53:52] <Aero-Tec2> very
[03:53:56] <zeeshan> but the best thing is play around with the simulation like you are
[03:53:59] <Tom_itx> you just have to remember which is which
[03:54:16] <Aero-Tec2> I still am trying to understand it all
[03:54:28] <Tom_itx> another thing i find with cad is you need to know if it's a front or back tool machine
[03:54:48] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: that messes with me a lot
[03:54:48] <zeeshan> lol
[03:54:49] <Aero-Tec2> I understand what you said, just not sure as to why it needs to be that way
[03:55:00] <Tom_itx> it's da law
[03:55:03] <zeeshan> Aero-Tec because you need to specify which way the drill plunges
[03:55:22] <zeeshan> if you dont specify using g17 etc
[03:55:24] <zeeshan> how will it know?
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[03:56:04] <Tom_itx> i wish i had a full post set up for my lathe package
[03:56:12] <Aero-Tec2> but drilling is mostly done along the Z
[03:56:16] <tjtr33> argh shoveling snow again
[03:56:21] <Tom_itx> it would be interesting to see what it puts out for some of the canned cycles
[03:56:32] <Tom_itx> Aero-Tec2 not if you're crossdrilling
[03:56:34] <Tom_itx> etc
[03:56:45] <Aero-Tec2> true
[03:57:00] <Aero-Tec2> mind warping
[03:58:10] <Aero-Tec2> will have to think about it more and see if I can get it to make seance so I can understand it more
[03:58:30] <Aero-Tec2> thanks for the help
[03:58:35] <tjtr33> do the canned cycles use g02 or g03, thats what G17/18/19 define, the plane in which circular interp occurs
[03:58:42] <Aero-Tec2> would have never got this one on my own
[03:58:52] <Tom_itx> draw your right hand rule on paper and see where z goes on a lathe compared to a mill
[03:59:09] <Aero-Tec2> well not with out risking a total melt down
[04:00:01] <Tom_itx> and write in the G17...19 orientation on the rule
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[04:00:49] <Aero-Tec2> so this would explain why I got unexpected results from a G2 move, and had to do a G3 instead to get it to work
[04:01:22] <Tom_itx> G17 is the default
[04:01:27] <Aero-Tec2> did not make any sense at the time
[04:01:43] <Tom_itx> but good to call it out anyway
[04:01:49] <Aero-Tec2> but got it working
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[04:02:06] <Aero-Tec2> cool
[04:02:39] <PetefromTn_andro> What kind of lathe are we talking about here man?
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[04:03:15] <Tom_L> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G80-G89
[04:03:34] <Tom_L> All canned cycles are performed with respect to the currently-selected plane. Any of the six planes may be selected. Throughout this section, most of the descriptions assume the XY-plane has been selected.
[04:07:41] <Tom_itx> i think lathes assume G18 as default...
[04:09:25] <Tom_itx> my cam spits out a G18 at the top of the file...
[04:13:34] <tjtr33> yes in short, these cycles assume the tool axis is normal to the plane of circular interpolation. thes docs could say as much is as few words.
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[04:14:53] <Tom_itx> also, on the Okuma at least the canned cycle Gcodes have been redefined to be something else
[04:15:16] <Tom_itx> G73 is still there
[04:16:15] <PetefromTn_andro> Tj. I think it was you that suggested I put a 1" square in the drawing yesterday
[04:16:35] <Tom_itx> good point of reference
[04:16:44] <tjtr33> oh yeah, nice round to rect transition, did the marker help?
[04:17:00] <PetefromTn_andro> That turned out to be a great idea and make scaling the prints correctly a lot easier
[04:17:29] <PetefromTn_andro> So thanks for the tip man
[04:17:43] <tjtr33> i like sheet metal layout, was fun simple geometry
[04:17:45] <tjtr33> np
[04:18:28] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah I kinda enjoyed making the transition ducting today and working with the drawings
[04:19:01] <tjtr33> no blood? ( sheet metal screws and sheet metal edges :)
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[04:19:09] <PetefromTn_andro> Just wish I could do it in freecad like Zeeshan was able to do with the sheet metal module
[04:19:14] <Tom_itx> i did a similar on my furnace way back but it didn't involve square to round
[04:19:38] <PetefromTn_andro> Believe it or not I did not even get a nick
[04:20:00] <tjtr33> freecad has a sheet metal bend module? cool. bend allowance is tricky
[04:20:07] <PetefromTn_andro> I work with my thick leather welding gauntlets
[04:20:10] <Tom_itx> yeah
[04:20:28] <Tom_itx> we did bend allowance when making hydro blocks for stamping aluminum parts
[04:20:48] <tjtr33> hydroformiong? worked on that a bit up in CA
[04:20:49] <PetefromTn_andro> No I am not aware of one but it would be nice to have that is for sure
[04:20:56] <Tom_itx> yes
[04:21:23] <tjtr33> in London ONT I saw a line blow.
[04:21:34] <Tom_itx> heh
[04:21:37] <Tom_itx> not good
[04:21:56] <PetefromTn_andro> Tomorrow we Will be screwing the new ducting transitions to the existing ones under the house
[04:22:08] <tjtr33> it was like inflating square tubes into car frames
[04:22:22] <Tom_itx> pete, you're running a bit late on this project :)
[04:22:41] <tjtr33> snow here (CHI)
[04:23:14] <PetefromTn_andro> It would seem that the sheet metal module would also be able to make 2d templates from round tube joints in 3d drawings
[04:23:52] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah I know man but the penny just dropped if you know what I mean
[04:24:30] <Tom_itx> wow, this manual has more M codes than G codes
[04:24:50] <PetefromTn_andro> You could probably get templates printed on your home printer for notching tubing
[04:25:01] <Tom_itx> 5 pages of M codes
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[04:53:58] <Aero-Tec2> whats with all the snow talk, I am in Canada and no snow
[04:54:02] <shaun414> hi!
[04:54:15] <shaun414> ahh can you ship me one of them fancy baby moosese?
[04:54:18] <shaun414> mooses*
[04:54:44] <Aero-Tec2> could do, where do you want it sent?
[04:54:52] <shaun414> nj
[04:54:53] <shaun414> pls
[04:55:03] <shaun414> and some of that syrup
[04:55:14] <shaun414> maybe a hockeypuck
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[04:55:55] <Aero-Tec2> BTW not sure if shooting baby ones is legal
[04:56:10] <shaun414> !
[04:56:14] <shaun414> o.o
[04:56:17] <shaun414> 0.o
[04:56:23] <shaun414> DONT SHOOT IT
[04:56:50] <Aero-Tec2> we are talking moose the animal right
[04:57:08] <Aero-Tec2> well sending a live one would be a big no no
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[04:58:25] <Aero-Tec2> gov here frowns on wild things being caged
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[04:58:59] <Aero-Tec2> so what where you asking me to send you?
[04:59:40] <Aero-Tec2> like a real live baby animal?
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[05:01:42] <shaun414> yes pls
[05:01:49] <Aero-Tec2> lol
[05:01:50] <shaun414> what about syrup
[05:01:56] <shaun414> the real shit
[05:02:03] <Aero-Tec2> that would be something I can not do
[05:02:03] <shaun414> like from the tree
[05:02:15] <shaun414> WHAT, but you could send me a moose carcus?
[05:02:23] <Aero-Tec2> sure can do that no problem
[05:02:29] <shaun414> ...
[05:02:43] <shaun414> can you take some of your geese back?
[05:02:46] <shaun414> they suck
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[05:03:56] <[cube]> My brother in law has a maple syrup farm (in Canada)
[05:04:20] <shaun414> bro! hook me up
[05:04:24] <[cube]> heh
[05:04:26] <[cube]> srsly?
[05:04:33] <shaun414> I want some syrup
[05:04:50] <[cube]> well, this stuff is the real deal
[05:04:53] <shaun414> yeah
[05:05:16] <[cube]> if ur ever seriously wanting for some, feel free to msg me and can work smth out
[05:05:46] <[cube]> he gave us a big jug of it
[05:05:48] <[cube]> like 2 yrs ago
[05:05:54] <[cube]> and theres still liek a 1/4 left :P
[05:06:31] <shaun414> ok
[05:06:33] <tjtr33> a good thing about winter: pancakes and real maple syrup Mmmmmmm
[05:06:38] <[cube]> mhmmmm
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[05:08:20] <shaun414> YUM FUM
[05:08:26] <shaun414> in other news
[05:08:41] <shaun414> Im getting trained to use my schools machine shop soon
[05:08:43] <shaun414> :)
[05:09:28] <[cube]> what machines they got?
[05:10:49] <shaun414> tons
[05:10:55] <shaun414> a couple bridgeport knee mils
[05:11:04] <shaun414> a few lathes
[05:11:07] <XXCoder> he means single machine that weights 2 tons ;)
[05:11:09] <shaun414> cncs
[05:11:13] <shaun414> plasma cutters
[05:11:17] <[cube]> not bad
[05:11:37] <shaun414> XXCoder, the mill is the size of a car..
[05:11:49] <XXCoder> cool
[05:11:52] <shaun414> cnc lathe as well
[05:11:58] <shaun414> a huge one
[05:12:01] <[cube]> this a college?
[05:12:02] <XXCoder> I do work at shop. I sometimes run a router thats larger than car
[05:12:03] <shaun414> yes
[05:12:13] <[cube]> pretty nice for a college setup
[05:12:20] <shaun414> yeah
[05:12:23] <shaun414> its a big college
[05:12:36] <shaun414> but rarely anyone uses it..
[05:12:42] <[cube]> perfect
[05:12:46] <shaun414> yeah
[05:12:48] <XXCoder> it means you have easier time using em
[05:12:49] <[cube]> you have to book time on stuff?
[05:12:58] <shaun414> no, just swipe in
[05:13:15] <[cube]> crazy, who's stopping anyone from destroying anything carelessly?
[05:13:26] <shaun414> idk
[05:13:30] <[cube]> haha
[05:13:31] <[cube]> comforting
[05:14:01] <shaun414> http://www.dempseyandco.com/DSCN0322.JPG
[05:14:06] <shaun414> they have like 4 mills this size
[05:14:07] <shaun414> lol
[05:14:34] <[cube]> Cool.
[05:14:44] <[cube]> I'm plannign to upgrade to one of those at some point and retrofit
[05:14:58] <[cube]> maybe not a briggeport specifically
[05:15:02] <[cube]> waiting for a good deal
[05:15:26] <[cube]> issue is how the hell i get it in the basment
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[05:23:11] <XXCoder> [cube]: build shop?
[05:23:18] <XXCoder> probably not a option'
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[05:23:21] <shaun314> Hi
[05:31:20] <[cube]> XXCoder: not sure what you mean
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[05:31:30] <XXCoder> build new place for your machines
[05:31:40] <[cube]> ah
[05:31:42] <[cube]> i've got a decent shop down there
[05:31:44] <[cube]> and could make room
[05:31:44] <shaun314> Sup
[05:31:54] <[cube]> its just getting the damn thing in the door ways and down the stairs
[05:32:07] <[cube]> probably have to disassemble, which i guess i'll have to do anyway
[05:32:15] <shaun314> Where you all buy your machine equip
[05:32:20] <shaun314> It's so expensive
[05:32:24] <XXCoder> heh expensive option would be build new ramp to your shop
[05:32:30] <XXCoder> with large doors
[05:32:33] <[cube]> all my stuff is amassed over many years
[05:32:40] <shaun314> Hm
[05:32:43] <shaun314> From where
[05:32:50] <XXCoder> many places im sure
[05:32:55] <[cube]> mostly woodworking tools down there atm
[05:32:56] <shaun314> Hm
[05:33:04] <XXCoder> the older you are the easier for you to have stuff thats old
[05:33:12] <XXCoder> im old enough tp experence that
[05:33:12] <[cube]> a lot from my dad
[05:33:19] <shaun314> I'm 20
[05:33:22] <shaun314> Lol
[05:33:27] <XXCoder> 38 here
[05:33:31] <[cube]> 28 hah
[05:33:35] <shaun314> I already have too much stuff
[05:33:58] <[cube]> keep collecting ;)
[05:34:15] <[cube]> using apublic space is cool but its fun havin gyou're own machine that you know all the ins an outs of
[05:34:32] <shaun314> Yes
[05:34:41] <shaun314> I hate public spaces anyway
[05:34:59] <shaun314> It's a hobby thing. I want to do it at my leisure
[05:35:00] <[cube]> luckily i've got a buddy with a big shop
[05:35:07] <[cube]> has like 8 haas machines
[05:35:11] <shaun314> And not need to follow hours. Drive.
[05:35:14] <shaun314> Ya know
[05:35:16] <[cube]> but i feel guilty asking for machine time :x
[05:35:20] <[cube]> so i dont ask him for much
[05:35:33] <shaun314> Does he use them
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[05:35:41] <[cube]> yeah they run pretty much constantly
[05:35:52] <shaun314> Doing what
[05:35:58] <[cube]> manufacturing
[05:36:04] <shaun314> Ah
[05:36:06] <shaun314> ...
[05:36:13] <[cube]> everytime i visit it seems like he's just making heat sinks
[05:36:19] <shaun314> Ah ok
[05:36:20] <[cube]> massive...heatsink...enclosures
[05:36:26] <shaun314> Pretty neat
[05:36:35] <[cube]> they take forever to mill
[05:36:38] <[cube]> even on a haas
[05:36:39] <shaun314> Yeah
[05:36:42] <shaun314> Cc?
[05:36:45] <shaun314> Cnc
[05:36:52] <[cube]> yep
[05:36:56] <shaun314> Cool
[05:36:57] <XXCoder> surpised
[05:36:59] <[cube]> also has a couple of ENGEL injection molding setups
[05:37:09] <XXCoder> often see shopsmaking airplane parts
[05:37:09] <[cube]> and he's like a master mold maker
[05:37:10] <shaun314> Ohhh
[05:37:16] <XXCoder> almost all parts I make is airplane related
[05:37:25] <shaun314> I like airplanes
[05:37:27] <shaun314> A lot
[05:37:28] <[cube]> nice
[05:37:29] <XXCoder> few days ago I had very rare non-airplane parts
[05:37:39] <shaun314> What kind of airplane parts
[05:37:47] <XXCoder> boeing
[05:37:54] <XXCoder> behind that paperwork dont say
[05:38:01] <[cube]> bet they've got you on lockdown for those ;)
[05:38:08] <shaun314> In your personal shop
[05:38:11] <shaun314> ?
[05:38:16] <XXCoder> nah place I work at
[05:38:20] <shaun314> Ohh
[05:38:22] <shaun314> Cook
[05:38:23] <XXCoder> im an intern actually lol
[05:38:24] <shaun314> Cool
[05:38:28] <shaun314> For what
[05:38:30] <[cube]> i heard they're extremely secretive about source files etc
[05:38:33] <XXCoder> cnc milling stuff
[05:38:38] <[cube]> cause ppl kept knocking them off (poorly)
[05:38:44] <shaun314> The internship..
[05:38:53] <shaun314> Is for cnc?
[05:38:53] <XXCoder> cube yea cant bring paperwork out and such
[05:38:56] <XXCoder> no worries for me
[05:39:04] <XXCoder> milling in general shaun
[05:39:09] <[cube]> yeah i once had a contract at a military outfit
[05:39:15] <[cube]> had to get gov clearance
[05:39:23] <[cube]> and escorted to the goddamn bathroom :P
[05:39:31] <[cube]> i drink a lot of coffee...lol
[05:39:33] <shaun314> Oh cool
[05:40:00] <shaun314> Yeah I'll prob need clearances
[05:40:27] <[cube]> dont do anything stupid or get a dui or anything normal 20'year-olds are doing these days :P
[05:40:31] <XXCoder> i worked at various places that has pretty secure info requirements
[05:40:34] <[cube]> that'll come back to bite ya
[05:40:38] <XXCoder> I used to intern for FBI
[05:40:45] <XXCoder> well volunteer more like
[05:40:53] <[cube]> neat
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[05:41:07] <XXCoder> and I worked at non-tech field rekated work at ywca
[05:41:19] <XXCoder> I still cant tell you where some buildings are
[05:41:27] <shaun314> Nope I don't have any crime record lol
[05:41:33] <XXCoder> other job I cant tell you who lives there and such
[05:41:37] <XXCoder> fun
[05:42:09] <XXCoder> I got long and weird work history
[05:42:20] <shaun314> Hm
[05:42:30] <[cube]> better than 40 years in some stale cubicle
[05:42:36] <shaun314> You all from Canada?
[05:42:43] <[cube]> ontario here
[05:42:49] <[cube]> born/rasied
[05:42:52] <XXCoder> cube but much less retirement savings and such
[05:42:57] <XXCoder> im pushing 40 and nothing
[05:43:08] <shaun314> Ouch
[05:43:08] <[cube]> what's your main gig now?
[05:43:18] <XXCoder> cnc milling and sucjh internship
[05:43:19] <[cube]> yea as a contractor i learned to save up
[05:43:26] <shaun314> I hope you save yourself
[05:43:27] <[cube]> 0 ebenfits
[05:43:27] <XXCoder> I hope I finally end with decent paying job
[05:43:42] <[cube]> but you can asking for a hell of a lot more than full time ppl
[05:43:42] <[cube]> :)
[05:43:48] <XXCoder> nice
[05:44:01] <shaun314> Don't count on any retirement Benefit anyway
[05:44:08] <[cube]> yeah no shit
[05:44:18] <shaun314> Ss won't exist in 20 years
[05:44:34] <shaun314> Pensions are going away
[05:45:27] <[cube]> XXCoder just become the best at what you do
[05:45:36] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:45:40] <[cube]> eventually u start ur own deal
[05:45:54] <[cube]> my buddy with all those machines...
[05:45:57] <[cube]> started in his garage
[05:46:03] <shaun314> Yeah
[05:46:16] <[cube]> mind you, he had like 20 yrs experience at a huge telecom company as a model maker
[05:46:26] <shaun314> I want to do that
[05:46:28] <[cube]> but he was able to apply that knowledge and build a multimil company in a few years
[05:46:34] <[cube]> (also had help with loans)
[05:46:40] <shaun314> Have a biz like that
[05:47:09] <[cube]> and the reason he started a shop was because he was laid off
[05:47:24] <[cube]> i worked at the same company
[05:47:32] <[cube]> shaun314, you might know it (Nortel) :P
[05:47:45] <shaun314> No
[05:47:59] <shaun314> Oh yes
[05:48:02] <shaun314> Ok
[05:48:19] <XXCoder> contacts can be worth gold
[05:48:25] <XXCoder> expecially if youre contractor
[05:49:45] <shaun314> Yeah
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[05:50:00] <shaun314> I need an internship
[05:50:11] <shaun314> Hmm anyone know a place in nj
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[05:50:39] <XXCoder> no but you can check out dvr
[05:50:45] <XXCoder> they may have contacts
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[05:51:46] <shaun314> Heh
[05:51:52] <shaun314> Contracts?
[05:52:41] <XXCoder> no. they dont provide jobs themselves they help you find work
[05:52:47] <XXCoder> you don't know what DVR is?
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[05:53:03] <shaun314> No
[05:54:25] <XXCoder> hmm may not apply to you
[05:54:35] <XXCoder> may be nice link tpo check out http://lwd.dol.state.nj.us/
[05:55:06] <shaun314> Oh
[05:55:28] <shaun314> Heh
[05:55:42] <shaun314> I need an engineering internship
[05:56:55] <XXCoder> check out your teachers
[05:57:00] <XXCoder> they may know something
[05:57:29] <[cube]> above all else, learn everything you can
[05:58:21] <[cube]> another benefit to building and having your own machines
[05:58:30] <shaun314> I don't have machines
[05:58:35] <shaun314> Wish I did
[05:58:39] <[cube]> lol
[05:58:47] <[cube]> im not saying go out and buy machines...
[05:58:54] <shaun314> I can't afford them
[05:58:59] <[cube]> but its good if you can, and want to, and can justfiy it, and need it
[05:59:14] <shaun314> I have a negative networth
[05:59:16] <shaun314> !
[05:59:27] <shaun314> Lol
[06:00:05] <[cube]> you could always get into welding
[06:00:14] <[cube]> but i've heard that is a tough career
[06:00:25] <shaun314> Why
[06:00:36] <XXCoder> underwater welding
[06:02:43] <shaun314> I'm doing engineering
[06:02:43] <shaun314> ...
[06:02:43] <[cube]> i duno, just unforgiving
[06:02:43] <XXCoder> you would last only few years but pay wow
[06:02:43] <[cube]> working your way up
[06:02:43] <[cube]> dealing with fumes
[06:02:44] <shaun314> Yah
[06:02:44] <[cube]> and when you start you're probably goign to be doing assembly line type stuff
[06:02:44] <[cube]> tack this, tack that, next, repat
[06:02:44] <[cube]> *repeat
[06:02:44] <shaun314> What
[06:02:44] <shaun314> I'm not a welder
[06:02:44] <shaun314> Gahj
[06:02:44] <XXCoder> engineer or machinist?
[06:02:44] <XXCoder> those have quite different meaning
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[06:02:44] <shaun314> Engineering...
[06:02:44] <[cube]> usually the engineers run the shop from the nice corner office ;)
[06:02:45] <shaun314> I'm in college
[06:02:45] <shaun314> Aerospace
[06:02:45] <shaun314> I'm just interested in machining
[06:02:50] <[cube]> sounds fun
[06:02:53] <shaun314> Lol
[06:02:57] <[cube]> i studied aviation in college too
[06:03:04] <[cube]> well, not too
[06:03:05] <shaun314> You obviously haven't done engineering school
[06:03:07] <XXCoder> heh IT and CS here
[06:03:11] <shaun314> If you think it's fun
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[06:03:20] <[cube]> yeah, i'm not an official engineer by any means
[06:03:24] <shaun314> Lol
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[06:03:49] <[cube]> i have a friend who's an engineer, and i'd be surprised if he could use a screwdriver properly
[06:03:58] <shaun314> Its like a buttrape with sandpaper and vinegar
[06:04:16] <shaun314> Cube... Yeah I've observes that in a club I'm in
[06:04:25] <shaun314> No one knows how to build stuff...
[06:04:28] <shaun314> It's bad
[06:04:35] <[cube]> you bascally have to just become good yourself
[06:04:39] <[cube]> sound slike you're on the right path
[06:04:39] <XXCoder> what the heck does engineer do anyway
[06:04:43] <shaun314> What's this thing?... Uhh it's a dremel
[06:05:08] <shaun314> What's this? Uhh it's a scroll saw.. And no you can't use the coarse tooth blade to cut balsa wood
[06:05:21] <[cube]> hah
[06:05:30] <shaun314> True story
[06:05:43] <shaun314> I made them go buy new blades
[06:05:46] <shaun314> Lol
[06:06:06] <[cube]> you wanna hear something funny
[06:06:11] <shaun314> K
[06:06:14] <[cube]> my girlfriend of 1 yr dumped me yesterday
[06:06:23] <[cube]> because i spent more time building a 3d pritner, than with her :P
[06:06:28] <[cube]> that's the kind of dedication you need!
[06:06:39] <shaun314> Hey I have 2
[06:06:43] <shaun314> Printers
[06:06:44] <[cube]> haha, good, good
[06:06:47] <[cube]> oh
[06:06:48] <[cube]> lol
[06:06:48] <shaun314> Lol
[06:06:53] <XXCoder> I have parts of cnc router home havent built it :P
[06:07:02] <shaun314> I want to make a router
[06:07:09] <shaun314> Seems more useful
[06:07:14] <[cube]> yeah the hardest part is getting started XXCoder
[06:07:23] <XXCoder> it is.
[06:07:29] <shaun314> Send them to me xxcoder
[06:07:33] <shaun314> I'll make it
[06:07:37] <[cube]> once you're in a good mode it'll materialize fast
[06:07:38] <XXCoder> sure $1000 plus shipping
[06:07:46] <shaun314> Nah
[06:07:52] <[cube]> i reache da poitn where i could start using the machine, but wires and ratsnest everywhere
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[06:08:04] <shaun314> I don't have that money
[06:08:07] <[cube]> and wasnt motivated to make it 'look pretty'
[06:08:11] <shaun314> Cube. Good your done
[06:08:15] <shaun314> Lol
[06:08:16] <[cube]> haha
[06:10:54] <XXCoder> lol
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[06:35:24] <Tecan> cube your suposed to pull that trick on her first
[06:35:34] <Tecan> within first 3 months usually
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[06:36:43] <Tecan> or atleast have the option
[06:37:17] <zeeshan-MILL> couple hours of running
[06:37:26] <zeeshan-MILL> getting about 18000 ns jitter on servo thread
[06:37:37] <zeeshan-MILL> shouldnt be a big deal with 5i25 +7i77 right?
[06:39:06] <Tecan> 18000 sounds low
[06:39:15] <Tecan> must be running a good system
[06:39:39] <Tecan> 5i25 +7i77 is that intel ?
[06:40:52] <zeeshan> no its my old computer
[06:41:11] <zeeshan> asus a7v400mx
[06:41:20] <zeeshan> with athlon 3200+ processor and geforce 400mx card
[06:41:34] <Tecan> 1 core ?
[06:41:40] <zeeshan> yessir
[06:42:18] <zeeshan> and 5i25 and 7i77 are the mesa hardware
[06:42:49] <Tecan> 1 core seems to be the way to go with emc
[06:43:19] <zeeshan> my lathe computer is a dual core
[06:43:23] <Tecan> anyone tried on a 6 or 8 core for jitter calibration numbers ?
[06:43:52] <zeeshan> gets about 6000 ns
[06:44:03] <zeeshan> had to turn off a bunch of things though
[06:44:13] <zeeshan> i believe hyperthreading had to be turned off
[06:44:55] <Tecan> never thought to play with bios settings
[06:45:06] <Tecan> that might help some of my older shopboxes
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[11:30:51] <Tom_itx> 19F and white.
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[11:38:34] <Deejay> Tom_itx, where are you located?
[11:39:31] <Tom_itx> central US
[11:39:57] <Deejay> oh wow, and you have snow?
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[11:40:22] <Deejay> here in germany its about 46°F
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[12:03:19] <jdh> 43f in .nc.us
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[12:26:25] <jthornton> warmed up here to 33f in swamp east missouri
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[12:45:09] <archivist> global warming++
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[12:59:22] <syyl> i reject global warming until i catch fire in the sun ;)
[13:05:21] <jthornton> yuck it is sleeting
[13:06:27] * syyl has to look up that word
[13:06:48] <Deejay> graupel?
[13:07:06] <syyl> ah
[13:07:48] <syyl> aka "people loose their ability to drive a car in a reasonable manner"
[13:07:49] <Deejay> or did you mean "yuck"? ;)
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[13:27:57] <jthornton> or loose the ability to walk without falling down
[13:28:41] <archivist> I thought you used beer for that
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[13:32:45] <jthornton> cognac works better than beer
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[14:29:00] <Tom_itx> jthornton, looks like you won't get alot
[14:29:14] <Tom_itx> maybe 3" here
[14:29:24] <Tom_itx> radar looks like it's about done
[14:30:02] <jthornton> forcast is for rain, snow, sleet 90% for today and tonight and 30% for Monday
[14:30:32] <jthornton> with accumulation of 1"-3"
[14:30:54] <Tom_itx> put in motion... maybe it's heading your way :)
[14:31:18] <Tom_itx> i'll wait another hr or so to clear the walks
[14:32:10] <Tom_itx> 16F now
[14:33:28] <Tom_itx> record breaking low of 10 tonight
[14:33:47] <Tom_itx> 12 was set in 1903
[14:34:06] <Tom_itx> useless facts.
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[14:56:03] <CaptHindsight> you guys have it worse than us up north
[14:57:41] <DaViruz> in sweden we have a quite agreeable 41°F and no snow at all, which is quite strange this time of year
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[14:59:06] <CaptHindsight> if you watch the weather patterns from above the north pole you can see how it tends to wobble
[15:00:07] <CaptHindsight> last winter and currently you can see the low temps plunge over North America
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[15:18:25] * Loetmichel has been sitting in his tshirt outside on the balcony today
[15:18:41] <Loetmichel> sun and 13°C
[15:18:49] <Loetmichel> ... and i live in germany...
[15:18:54] <Loetmichel> strange weather ;-)
[15:22:46] <Deejay> raining all the day :/
[15:26:43] <PetefromTn_> dull and dreary here today....and a bit chilly too.
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[15:38:50] * archivist been fixing windows with a large amount of silicone goo last week to keep the rain out
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[15:47:57] * PetefromTn_ has been doing some damn sheetmetal work trying to get his new AC installed LOL
[15:48:39] * PetefromTn_ has begun to realize that he needs to start equipping his shop with some sheetmetal machines hehe
[15:56:47] * SpeedEvil passes PetefromTn_ a cold chisel.
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[16:01:14] <SpeedEvil> With a vice, you can get a nice cut
[16:02:22] <PetefromTn_> I got some quality sheetmetal sheers here and while they are no replacement for a proper metal sheer machine it got the job done yesterday
[16:03:04] <PetefromTn_> I would like to get one of those pneumatic scissor sheetmetal shears tho.
[16:03:50] <CaptHindsight> the first sheer/brake you buy is never big enough
[16:04:32] <PetefromTn_> I was looking at one of those 3 in 1 brake sheer roll machines for what I do here it would probably be fine.
[16:04:42] <PetefromTn_> They make a 40 inch one that looks interesting
[16:04:53] <CaptHindsight> and a good corner notcher
[16:04:59] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: well - depends. there was a local ebay with an 8' shear.
[16:05:39] <CaptHindsight> yeah, the 30" version was on sale when I got it, wish I just gotten the 40 :)
[16:06:00] <PetefromTn_> oh you have one of those..
[16:06:05] <PetefromTn_> how does it work?
[16:06:38] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, the 30" 3 in1 is for very light metal only
[16:06:40] <PetefromTn_> http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_623_623 was looking at that one locally
[16:06:47] <CaptHindsight> it's clunky
[16:06:59] <PetefromTn_> how so?
[16:07:20] <JT-Shop> that looks exactly like my Griz but in red
[16:07:39] <PetefromTn_> do you have the 40 inch one?
[16:07:43] <CaptHindsight> the stops it comes with are a joke
[16:08:12] <PetefromTn_> never used one...what stops?
[16:08:16] <JT-Shop> I have the 30" one
[16:08:53] <PetefromTn_> so it's a piece of chinese shit then?
[16:09:33] <JT-Shop> mine will roll and brake 22 gauge and shear 28 gauge
[16:10:03] <CaptHindsight> if you rework it or you take your time to get to know it you can get the job done, but don't expect lots of work through it
[16:10:16] <JT-Shop> the brake and roll are ok the shear is a bit finicky
[16:10:44] <CaptHindsight> I shear #22 stainless
[16:11:31] <PetefromTn_> full width?
[16:11:58] <CaptHindsight> I did batch of 24" wide recently
[16:12:04] <CaptHindsight> a batch
[16:12:18] <PetefromTn_> what would you say is the thickest you can brake if the parts were say 8-10 inches wide?
[16:13:40] <JT-Shop> I have this one http://www.grizzly.com/products/30-3-in-1-Sheet-Metal-Machine/G4011Z
[16:14:38] <PetefromTn_> is it all cast or is it made from plate steel?
[16:15:11] <PetefromTn_> the video they posted looks decent really. altho it is all thin sheet stuff.
[16:15:31] <JT-Shop> it's cast
[16:16:55] <JT-Shop> I also have this one http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_7902_7902
[16:17:30] <PetefromTn_> hm I started making something like that for my small shop press
[16:17:45] <JT-Shop> and this one too http://www.grizzly.com/products/48-Pan-Box-Brake-12-Ga-/G0542
[16:18:15] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: 18ga cold roll is the heaviest I've used in it
[16:18:21] <PetefromTn_> you got a lot of Grizzly stuff huh...
[16:18:31] <JT-Shop> the press brake has a sloppy fit on the pin and pipe
[16:18:37] <PetefromTn_> thanks for the input guys
[16:18:43] <SpeedEvil> Sloppy fit
[16:18:46] <PetefromTn_> I gotta get under my house now and get some work done.
[16:18:56] <PetefromTn_> BBL
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[16:20:13] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: with the pins being sloppy is it difficult to line up the material?
[16:20:57] <JT-Shop> not really, how close can you get with sheet metal?
[16:21:18] <JT-Shop> the pins are 0.040" smaller than the holes in the pipes
[16:21:42] <JT-Shop> I assume to prevent binding
[16:25:56] <JT-Shop> $150 to ship a 4lb box to Turkey via UPS
[16:26:11] <CaptHindsight> sounds about right
[16:26:31] <JT-Shop> USPS First Class $40
[16:26:35] <CaptHindsight> is it smaller than 9 x 11 x4?
[16:27:10] <CaptHindsight> I use the flat rate USPS boxes all the time for international
[16:27:29] <CaptHindsight> USPS might be 30 days
[16:27:34] <CaptHindsight> first class
[16:28:11] <JT-Shop> yea, it's 9 x 9 x 3
[16:28:46] <CaptHindsight> usps express international is 3-5 days for ~$80
[16:28:58] <JT-Shop> customer requested UPS
[16:29:00] <CaptHindsight> has to fit in the box and be under 20lbs
[16:29:47] <JT-Shop> I usually ship them in medium flat rate boxes
[16:29:49] <CaptHindsight> customs is always faster with UPS
[16:30:33] <JT-Shop> I ship a lot to Australia and it sits in customs for about a week there
[16:31:14] <JT-Shop> funny thing is all USPS even first class fly in the same plane to overseas
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[16:32:36] <archivist> I got quotes to Poland once the highest being UPS, used some groupage carrier.....and UPS came to pick up!
[16:32:51] <CaptHindsight> last shipment to Turkey was similar, no USPS use UPS
[16:33:03] <CaptHindsight> Polaner
[16:33:26] <CaptHindsight> I ship it local to Chicago and they take it to Poland
[16:33:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.polamerusa.com/
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[16:36:51] <CaptHindsight> I've taken stuff to the airport for Fedex. They even said that rates are based on groupage
[16:37:28] <CaptHindsight> the package might even be on the same plane as others with different rates
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[17:26:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.365laptoprepair.com/ebay_images/3549_IBM-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T60-Motherboard-Metal-Frame-26R9342_1.JPG how much time to machine something similar?
[17:27:23] <archivist> ages
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[17:27:54] <jasen> 20 min. on machining center
[17:27:56] <CaptHindsight> old thinkpad chassis
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[17:28:28] <CaptHindsight> jasen: you think it could be that quick?
[17:28:30] <archivist> I wonder how many secs in the die casting machine <10 maybe
[17:28:36] <jasen> shure
[17:29:00] <jasen> on my center can be done for that time
[17:29:20] <jasen> but this partucular is casted , not machined
[17:29:22] <archivist> there is some very fine detail there
[17:29:23] <CaptHindsight> jasen: which machine?
[17:29:33] <jasen> mazak
[17:29:33] <CaptHindsight> the details could be reduced
[17:29:54] <CaptHindsight> and inside corners rounded
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[17:30:30] <archivist> those will be clearing parts, I bet you cannot get near that speed
[17:30:33] <CaptHindsight> http://cdn.head-fi.org/6/69/696b3284_50423.jpeg here's one with the mainboard still attached
[17:31:32] <CaptHindsight> I was thinking under an hour
[17:31:57] <archivist> per side?
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[17:32:49] <CaptHindsight> they were designing to mold 100K's of them
[17:33:43] <CaptHindsight> if you were to redesign it for milling with fewer features it would speed it up
[17:34:24] <CaptHindsight> this is perfect for SLA
[17:35:21] <zeeshan> yo guys
[17:35:45] <archivist> may be faster to make a pattern and mold
[17:36:13] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/z/0OgAAOSwQM9UZmbL/$_20.JPG
[17:36:17] <zeeshan> this guy is selling this skid
[17:36:18] <zeeshan> for $225
[17:36:20] <zeeshan> i offered $150
[17:36:25] <zeeshan> he'll take that
[17:36:27] <zeeshan> what do you think?
[17:36:51] <zeeshan> those v-blocks are huge
[17:36:57] <zeeshan> but the thing im eyueing is the dividing head
[17:37:02] <zeeshan> and rotary table
[17:37:03] <archivist> snap his hands off
[17:37:46] <archivist> the two rotary things can make 150 each on fleabay on a good day
[17:37:49] <CaptHindsight> a steal
[17:39:22] <zeeshan> bah
[17:39:25] <zeeshan> im not gonna waste my time
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[17:39:31] <zeeshan> he says "First come first serve -- another person is interested"
[17:39:36] <zeeshan> im not driving 100 km just to get owned
[17:39:44] <zeeshan> i even said ill paypal a deposit
[17:39:47] <zeeshan> said cash only
[17:39:48] <zeeshan> lol
[17:44:31] <CaptHindsight> did that once, drove an hour to watch somebody else had them some cash while I was pulling in the driveway
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[17:44:37] <Rab> CaptHindsight, that chassis is designed for alloy casting with modeled stress concentrations etc. I don't know if a dimensional copy from milled billet could be expected to perform the same.
[17:45:09] <CaptHindsight> Rab: I'd probably SLA them
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[17:46:07] <Rab> CaptHindsight, somebody's actually producing 100K+ new T60s?
[17:46:13] <CaptHindsight> and as i said it wouldn't be an exact cope, it would be redesign to match how it would be fabricated
[17:46:17] <zeeshan> rab why not
[17:46:23] <zeeshan> it'd prolly perform better! :P
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[17:46:34] <zeeshan> if you dont break it while machining :D
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[17:47:05] <shaun414> whats the least sum of money needed to get started in machining
[17:47:13] <CaptHindsight> they might make a few hundred to few K's
[17:47:51] <Rab> zeeshan, it might. I don't know a lot of machining or metallurgy, but it seems like with machining you're cutting without respect to the metal grain...might not be the strongest for a spiderweb like that.
[17:48:46] <CaptHindsight> the spider web is there for weight reduction
[17:49:22] <Rab> Yeah, so material matters...not sure milled aluminum will be as strong as (I assume) magnesium alloy in that configuration.
[17:49:29] <Rab> Just a thought.
[17:49:49] <CaptHindsight> I bet the pattern was chosen based on what the designer could have in there by lunch
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[17:49:54] <zeeshan> you can think of billet
[17:49:56] <zeeshan> as isotropic
[17:50:07] <zeeshan> its not like sheet metal which is anisotropic
[17:50:42] <zeeshan> or casting where you'll have longer grains on the outside and smaller on the inside
[17:50:46] <zeeshan> (so not really isotropic!)
[17:51:00] <Rab> zeeshan, hmmm
[17:52:49] <Rab> CaptHindsight, Thinkpad T-series is highly regarded for its rugged chassis, and T60/T60p/T61p were a high water mark...I'd hope they put some thought into it. ^_^
[17:53:18] <zeeshan> is that magnesium
[17:53:23] <zeeshan> it doesnt look like aluminum
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[17:53:45] <zeeshan> raB?!
[17:53:54] <Rab> I know T61p had magnesium components.
[17:54:21] <zeeshan> nice
[17:54:27] <Rab> Yeah, looks like it.
[17:54:35] <shaun414> OH thinkpad!
[17:54:41] <shaun414> i was wondering what u were talking about
[17:54:46] <zeeshan> shaun414: did you buy a lathe yet
[17:55:05] <shaun414> all thinkpads have magnesium rollcages
[17:55:07] <shaun414> no zeeshan
[17:55:21] <Rab> I have a bunch of magnesium Dell components, good fun to throw a couple on when there's a bonfire.
[17:55:34] <shaun414> lol
[17:56:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ilduvwx.jpg
[17:56:24] <zeeshan> we were throwing all sorts of shit in the fire
[17:56:27] <shaun414> perty
[17:56:30] <shaun414> cancer yay
[17:57:13] <Rab> Yeah, good to watch but not good to breathe.
[17:57:49] <Rab> CaptHindsight, maybe you can improve the design: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=103507
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[17:59:45] <Loetmichel> *OUCHOUCH!* *juggling that 18650 cell* one should never let a battery and a steel tool be in the same space... notice the colours of the tabs... i just thougt: "Why is it suddenly smelling like hot metal?" *glowing tabs* -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15380
[18:02:10] <shaun414> xpost
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[18:12:48] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/z/MXEAAOSwIBBUZtOG/$_20.JPG
[18:12:49] <zeeshan> what is that
[18:13:01] <zeeshan> looks like some sort of deckel grinder
[18:13:26] <CaptHindsight> Rab: just looking at making some open x86 boards for retrofit into popular laptops
[18:14:52] <Rab> CaptHindsight, I see.
[18:15:07] <CaptHindsight> the plastic enclosures were there for aesthetics and insulation, the chassis provided most of the support
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[18:16:15] <Rab> T61p might be a good target, it's dirt cheap on eBay and has a common 1920x1200 screen option.
[18:16:43] <CaptHindsight> yeah t60's
[18:17:08] <CaptHindsight> maybe X200's
[18:17:27] <CaptHindsight> http://puri.sm/posts/purism-librem-15-certification-results/ looks like a scam
[18:17:53] <CaptHindsight> a mix of AMD and nvidia in the driver test results
[18:18:45] <CaptHindsight> and it's supposed to be Intel + nvidia
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[18:19:37] <Loetmichel> zeeshan: looks like a deckel tool grinder
[18:20:02] <Loetmichel> "stichelschleifmschine"
[18:20:09] <Loetmichel> +a
[18:20:18] <ssi> readers choice on where to put the a
[18:20:26] <Loetmichel> "stichelschleifmaschine"
[18:20:29] <Loetmichel> better?
[18:20:31] <ssi> :D
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[18:20:47] <ssi> I need four NAS428-4-13 bolts
[18:20:47] <CaptHindsight> it's like where's waldo
[18:20:59] <archivist> zeeshan, there are a number of copies
[18:22:06] <archivist> eg http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alexander-tool-cutter-grinder-Genuine-Alexander-Manufacture-/191404022413
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[18:35:36] <zeeshan> is it for regrinding end mills?
[18:36:05] <archivist> that is one application
[18:36:37] <syyl> main application is grinding single lip cutters
[18:36:40] <syyl> thats what its made for
[18:36:56] <syyl> but it can be used for a lot of other stuff
[18:37:00] <syyl> used and abused ;)
[18:39:45] <archivist> I sort of fancy one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/quorn-tool-and-cutter-grinder-/251715486006
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[18:41:13] <syyl> i built a bonelle cutter grinder
[18:41:15] <syyl> sold it
[18:41:21] <syyl> and got a chinese deckel s0 clone ;)
[18:41:26] <zeeshan> wow
[18:41:28] <zeeshan> thats pretty
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[18:42:36] <archivist> the bestest I have see is the dark blue http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=quorn
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[18:43:24] <zeeshan> wow
[18:43:28] <archivist> that has lots of modifications to the basic design
[18:43:29] <zeeshan> thats an amazingly nice contrast.
[18:43:31] <zeeshan> dark blue
[18:43:33] <zeeshan> with polish
[18:43:43] <zeeshan> its almost as good as black on gold
[18:44:07] <archivist> I saw it again a month ago
[18:44:11] <zeeshan> can you grind ball nose end mills on that "deckel style" grinder?
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[18:44:23] <zeeshan> (ie does it have a pivot)
[18:44:45] <zeeshan> also can you re-grind reamers? :P
[18:45:32] <archivist> I dont think the deckel is suitable for reamers
[18:46:38] <zeeshan> these grinders remind me of the question
[18:46:47] <zeeshan> that i've been asking on the lab writeups
[18:47:23] <syyl> you can grind ball end single lip cutters
[18:47:26] <syyl> and bullnose
[18:47:26] <zeeshan> "describe and illustrate two methods to hold a spherical non-hardened ball bearing on a milling machine to be drilled through its center"
[18:47:36] <zeeshan> theres one application of that there :D
[18:47:38] <zeeshan> all those fancy handles
[18:47:40] <syyl> multiflute cutters are a bit tricky
[18:47:43] <syyl> but can be done
[18:50:25] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: magnets!
[18:50:36] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: so many ways
[18:51:04] <archivist> I have to drill the ball on the end one day http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_09_07_Lorch_lathe/IMG_1822.JPG
[18:51:13] <zeeshan> a perfect answer must have a consideration of dynamics
[18:51:26] <zeeshan> so theres an axial force of drilling, and a torque
[18:51:42] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: whats been the worst answer so far? Weld it to the table?
[18:51:42] <archivist> support it
[18:51:45] <zeeshan> so if you can resist both in whatever method you describe, its acceptable :P
[18:51:53] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: you dont want to know
[18:51:54] <zeeshan> lol
[18:51:59] <zeeshan> the worst answer has been a "blank"
[18:52:15] <archivist> wax chuck is the clockmakers answer
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[18:52:22] <zeeshan> archivist: so many methods
[18:52:28] <CaptHindsight> use a blank to hold them!
[18:52:28] <zeeshan> theres literally prolly 20 different way to do it
[18:53:02] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: which class is this?
[18:53:04] <zeeshan> my ways were drill a hole through a block, chamfer it. spray adhesive on the chamfer, put block
[18:53:08] <zeeshan> block = sphere
[18:53:09] <archivist> cheat, drill before it is made into a ball
[18:53:10] <zeeshan> and drill
[18:53:22] <zeeshan> another was using a fancy double v block
[18:53:27] <zeeshan> with compound angle
[18:53:48] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: it is one of the labs they have to do in their lab course
[18:53:56] <CaptHindsight> are custom fixtures allowed?
[18:54:01] <zeeshan> anything is allowed :P
[18:54:21] <zeeshan> we're just trying to make them think about the forces involved
[18:54:32] <zeeshan> and workholding resists those forces
[18:54:44] <zeeshan> and that theres many way to do it
[18:54:47] <CaptHindsight> do the balls still have to be round after drilling?
[18:54:53] <zeeshan> most students think you need a vise to hold parts on a mill..
[18:55:05] <shaun414> LOL
[18:55:08] * archivist hides the edm
[18:55:24] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: haha too many questions
[18:55:26] <shaun414> i saw some kid at my schools machine shop operating a lathe
[18:55:29] <zeeshan> just hoild the damn ball!
[18:55:29] <zeeshan> :D
[18:55:30] <shaun414> guess what he was doing..
[18:55:56] <shaun414> his arm with sweatshirt on, was reaching OVER a RUNNING lathe
[18:56:00] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: well I like to have all the specifics and boundaries
[18:56:05] <shaun414> over the chuck
[18:56:05] <shaun414> ..
[18:56:08] <shaun414> wtf man
[18:56:10] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: you are too advanced for this lab
[18:56:12] <zeeshan> :P
[18:56:36] <zeeshan> my safety spheel is nice and short
[18:56:43] <CaptHindsight> shaun314: don't they have a safety class first?
[18:56:44] <zeeshan> i ask them what they think the most dangerous machine is in the shop
[18:56:48] <shaun414> yes CaptHindsight ...
[18:56:52] <zeeshan> 99% say the bandsaw
[18:56:55] <shaun414> lathe
[18:56:56] <shaun414> :p
[18:56:59] <zeeshan> i tell them, i agree with them
[18:57:15] <zeeshan> because most accidents consist of chopping off your finger and you'll feel the pain
[18:57:22] <zeeshan> so i agree it's dangerous because you'd recognize the pain
[18:57:25] <zeeshan> but on the lathe, you'll be dead
[18:57:30] <zeeshan> so you won't even remember it.
[18:57:30] <shaun414> well a bandsaw can chop a finger off, but a lathe can crush you
[18:57:31] <shaun414> :P
[18:57:34] <zeeshan> =)
[18:57:35] <[cube]> i think table saw is up there
[18:57:38] <shaun414> yeah
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[18:57:49] <shaun414> maybe
[18:57:57] <shaun414> you may lose an arm
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[18:58:09] <CaptHindsight> what if your shop has a Pinto parked in it?
[18:58:14] <shaun414> but you wont get sucked into a spinning vortex of 100s of pounds of steel
[18:58:16] <zeeshan> ROFL
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[18:58:36] <[cube]> lol
[18:58:36] <shaun414> how is a bandsaw dangerous lol
[18:58:41] <[cube]> pinto and/or chevy cobalt
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[18:58:45] <shaun414> just dont be a fuckwit
[18:59:01] <zeeshan> because you have to live with your chopped finger
[18:59:04] <zeeshan> on the lathe you're dead
[18:59:07] <shaun414> yeah
[18:59:10] <zeeshan> you wont be alive to care
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[18:59:26] <shaun414> but who the f wears a sweatshirt then puts arm right over a spinning chuck
[18:59:28] <zeeshan> basically its a rhetorical safety speech
[18:59:29] <shaun414> like 2 inches
[18:59:42] <zeeshan> to make them realize theres a lot more worst things than having a chopped finger ... death
[18:59:55] <shaun414> then, put said arem UNDER the chuck while it was off..
[18:59:59] <Tom_itx> zeeshan run a ball mill down into a pair of softjaws with them open .050"
[19:00:05] <Tom_itx> then clamp the ball in the hole
[19:00:15] <[cube]> shaun414: did you speak up
[19:00:28] <shaun414> no I wasnt in the shop, just saw from a window into it
[19:00:28] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: :D
[19:00:50] <Tom_itx> or a flatbottom em for that matter
[19:01:26] <ssi> pair of jaws with v grooves laterally and vertically would hold a sphere pretty well
[19:01:50] <zeeshan> yep
[19:02:03] <zeeshan> so many way to do it
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[19:02:17] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: http://ibin.co/1hT4gwTBRhOf I used to tell people it was safer than most trucks since the gas tank was directly behind the seat where you can keep an eye on it. :)
[19:02:30] <shaun414> how much do machinists make?
[19:02:31] <zeeshan> haha
[19:02:31] <Tom_itx> question is.. what's the most efficient?
[19:02:39] <Tom_itx> shaun314 ALOT!
[19:02:44] <ssi> anyone know the difference between UNF and UNJF?
[19:02:47] <Tom_itx> monkeys make much less
[19:03:06] <Tom_itx> ^^ button pushers
[19:03:14] <shaun414> really?
[19:03:20] <CaptHindsight> shaun314: 15-30 /hr on most postings
[19:03:25] <shaun414> thats not ALOT
[19:03:49] <CaptHindsight> take a look at the job boards
[19:03:54] <Tom_itx> i was getting 35-50 for programming
[19:03:57] <CaptHindsight> it's really sad
[19:04:14] <shaun414> hm
[19:04:47] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: was that at a big shop? maybe aerospace
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[19:06:53] <CaptHindsight> shaun314: http://www.indeed.com/q-CNC-Machinist-l-Aurora,-IL-jobs.html
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[19:15:16] <CaptHindsight> the only source I see well made parts come from now are automation component suppliers and aerospace/military
[19:15:38] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight yeah
[19:15:48] <CaptHindsight> everything else seems to be made of crap or machined poorly
[19:15:54] <Tom_itx> they definitely pay more
[19:16:47] <Tom_itx> and the shop was further out from most
[19:16:55] <zeeshan> plastric injection molding
[19:16:56] <CaptHindsight> China must have figured out how mix just about anything into steel
[19:17:04] <zeeshan> is a highly precise industry too
[19:17:05] <ssi> they figured that out ages ago
[19:17:19] <zeeshan> why do you guys knock chinese steel
[19:17:22] <zeeshan> :D
[19:17:31] <Tom_itx> is it steel?
[19:17:39] <ssi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_furnace
[19:17:48] <zeeshan> rofl ssi
[19:17:51] <CaptHindsight> some parts have been so soft I could drill them by hand
[19:18:11] <zeeshan> i think its cause they have a shitlaod of carbon
[19:18:17] <zeeshan> to the point it forms graphite nodules
[19:18:22] <zeeshan> and self lubricates :P
[19:20:14] <CaptHindsight> still no decent automation component suppliers out of China, only Taiwan
[19:21:18] <CaptHindsight> they are making millions of assembly robots, not sure who's making the positioners
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[19:22:20] <zeeshan> man
[19:22:24] <zeeshan> it got cold fast this year
[19:22:31] <zeeshan> heater is on full blast in the shop
[19:22:41] <ssi> yeah :(
[19:22:44] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did you get any snow?
[19:22:51] <ssi> it's even cold here, and it's never cold here
[19:22:51] <zeeshan> its snowing like hell outside
[19:22:57] <Tom_itx> don't burn down the shop on the first furnace firing...
[19:23:09] <Tom_itx> i blew mine out with the air hose
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[19:23:29] <CaptHindsight> is that what they mean by central heat?
[19:23:33] <ssi> I'm going on a weeklong sailing trip in the gulf in three weeks, and I dunno what the weather's gonna do
[19:23:39] <zeeshan> i use electric heater
[19:23:53] <ssi> yesterday was the annual Gill clearance sale; friend and I went up there and spent all our dollars on foul weather gear
[19:24:03] <zeeshan> ssi can i come
[19:24:05] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10616257_10100524175725152_4976412784888578021_n.jpg?oh=32ac09bc8ef740c116ecc52ba7bc380a&oe=54D9C03A&__gda__=1427478853_de1346d312b5be6823f2a4ee51469bec
[19:24:09] <ssi> sure
[19:24:12] <zeeshan> ROFL
[19:24:25] <zeeshan> dude you look like you're in canada
[19:24:30] <ssi> heheh
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[19:24:37] <CaptHindsight> heh
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[19:24:52] <ssi> it's warm and WATERPROOF
[19:24:52] <zeeshan> im going to go out camping in december
[19:24:56] <zeeshan> it'll be fun
[19:25:03] <Deejay> cool outfit
[19:25:04] <zeeshan> something about freezing your ass off and having a nice camp fire
[19:25:06] <zeeshan> to warm up
[19:25:30] <Tom_itx> you can tell us about it... i think i'll stay in where it's warm
[19:25:41] <zeeshan> you gotta try it out
[19:25:49] <zeeshan> its fun
[19:25:53] <ssi> chances are good now that I spetn all that money that we'll have fair weather the whole trip :)
[19:25:54] <kengu> the selection of my sailing gloves, http://www.jokasafe.fi/en/granulated-gloves.html
[19:25:55] <CaptHindsight> still in the high 70's on the gulf
[19:26:00] <Tom_itx> i've froze my arse off many times duck hunting...
[19:26:15] <kengu> jokapolar and jokatherm are great
[19:26:21] <zeeshan> wow
[19:26:24] <CaptHindsight> but even Houston is in the 40's today
[19:26:25] <zeeshan> those are NICE gloves
[19:26:28] <ssi> mitteny
[19:26:34] <zeeshan> im liking the jokapolar.
[19:26:47] <zeeshan> how much do those go for?
[19:26:50] <zeeshan> they look very expensive.
[19:26:50] <Tom_itx> you go to galveston dot com and you can see the port
[19:26:57] <Tom_itx> they've got several cameras
[19:26:58] <humble_sea_bass> that reminds me, I gotta drain the hose bibs in the back yard lest they freeze and explode
[19:27:01] <zeeshan> kengu ?
[19:27:05] <kengu> zeeshan: not too expensive
[19:27:23] <zeeshan> 25 bux
[19:27:24] <zeeshan> noit bad
[19:27:28] <kengu> http://www.chssnowmakers.com/Joka%20Gloves.htm
[19:27:56] <kengu> yeah. there is not the "sailing" markup on them as those are used for "real" work also
[19:28:04] <zeeshan> these look great for camping
[19:28:08] <zeeshan> not gonna get wet either
[19:28:32] <ssi> kengu: that was the nice tihng about hitting that gill sale yesterday; everything was around 60% off
[19:28:52] <kengu> yeah
[19:28:57] <ssi> that offshore jacket is $295 normally, paid $119
[19:29:05] <ssi> bought a lighter spinnaker jacket too, and I can wear them together if necessary
[19:29:17] <ssi> plus bib overalls, pants, fleece midwear, baselayer stuff
[19:29:27] <ssi> a pair of high waterproof boat-soled leather boots
[19:29:34] <ssi> gloves, and a dry duffel
[19:29:35] <ssi> weeee
[19:29:54] <CaptHindsight> we don't wear gloves, hats or jackets here until it's <10F :)
[19:30:30] <ssi> I don't typically either, but getting wet with saltwater when you're offshore is a recipe for a bad week
[19:31:31] <CaptHindsight> it's not fun here, I'd rather be somewhere warmer
[19:31:44] <ssi> where's here?
[19:31:54] <CaptHindsight> Chicago area
[19:32:03] <ssi> full up with lake effect snow? :D
[19:32:26] <CaptHindsight> it's worse across the lake
[19:33:22] <shaun414> its cold in nj
[19:33:25] <shaun414> brrr
[19:34:06] <ssi> someone come wire all my machines for me
[19:34:24] <ssi> someone other than zeeshan... if he does it, the worldwide price of copper will go up
[19:34:36] <CaptHindsight> lol
[19:35:00] <ssi> I have zero interest in purchasing wire and pulling it :(
[19:35:48] <CaptHindsight> difficult to automate the wiring of harnesses
[19:36:09] <CaptHindsight> adopt and train some children
[19:36:25] <kengu> I was at _a_ hackerspace this weekend and there was a fireball v90 router waiting for some tlc, missing a spindle and home/limits
[19:36:41] <shaun414> a i want one of them
[19:36:41] <shaun414> :p
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[19:36:54] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I'm just talking about mains
[19:37:16] <ssi> had to move all the machines down here, and now that means they all need power
[19:37:30] <ssi> also I need to find the box with all the parts to the mill, so I can put it back together
[19:38:45] <CaptHindsight> ssi: I'd help you if you were near
[19:38:48] <kengu> I tried printing a dremel adapter disc for the 70mm holder. but then I run out of time
[19:39:00] <CaptHindsight> need the exercise
[19:39:20] <ssi> it's gonna cost me $1000 just in wire :(
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[19:54:58] <zeeshan> ssi fu
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[19:55:04] <zeeshan> all my shit was designed based on amanuals
[19:55:08] <zeeshan> and thats what the power rating comes to
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[20:06:48] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/1hTOOVwFYejZ yikes, look at the weather map
[20:08:41] <shaun414> anyone have a used flir they are selling
[20:08:52] <humble_sea_bass> http://forecast.io/#/f/40.6455,-74.0124
[20:10:58] <CaptHindsight> shaun314: building a rocket?
[20:11:18] <humble_sea_bass> amateur F1 broadcasting
[20:11:27] <shaun414> maybe
[20:11:34] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvuBe6b2iVk
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[20:48:01] <Tom_itx> just stir up some dust and call it good
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[21:45:53] <PetefromTn_> Well so much for installing our AC unit today... raining here and don't feel like getting soaked to do it.
[21:46:13] <JT-Shop> it's starting to sneet here
[21:46:23] <PetefromTn_> snirt.
[21:46:41] <JT-Shop> no snow and sleet at the same time
[21:46:44] <PetefromTn_> dunno what the weather is supposed to be next week
[21:46:47] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I know
[21:47:43] <PetefromTn_> high is supposed to be 29 on tuesday...
[21:47:45] <PetefromTn_> lovely
[21:48:01] <PetefromTn_> WTF did winter get here without anyone telling me LOL
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[21:49:45] <JT-Shop> damn global warming
[21:53:04] <XXCoder> yeah
[21:53:13] <XXCoder> north pole is warmer than ever
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[21:53:23] <XXCoder> and its pushing down icy air into america
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[21:55:26] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:56:37] <JT-Shop> I bet it is the elves that are pushing the cold air down
[21:57:04] <XXCoder> why not
[21:57:10] <SpeedEvil> Winter is coming.
[21:57:35] * SpeedEvil ponders rapid prototyping using ice.
[21:57:53] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[21:57:56] <PetefromTn_> that bites
[21:58:23] <JT-Shop> use Pykrete
[21:58:33] <PetefromTn_> I just heard that Pink Floyd is releasing their LAST album ever...at least as a group.
[22:02:53] <PetefromTn_> really wanted to get this AC unit installed today
[22:03:00] <PetefromTn_> but Oh well I guess not
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[22:04:45] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: :)
[22:05:05] <SpeedEvil> I'd hoped to have half the house insulated by now.
[22:05:24] <SpeedEvil> Unforttunately, my health crashed in june, and I'm heating one (insulated) room again this winter
[22:06:00] <PetefromTn_> damn that sucks man
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[22:06:11] <PetefromTn_> is it a new house?
[22:07:16] <SpeedEvil> no
[22:07:37] <JT-Shop> SpeedEvil, bundle up and get a mattress heater pad
[22:08:44] <SpeedEvil> i've insulated one room with ~10cm of foam
[22:09:03] <PetefromTn_> where do you live?
[22:09:07] * JT-Shop wonders if I have any belleville springs laying about
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[22:23:05] <SpeedEvil> Scotland
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[22:49:31] <LeelooMinai> Guess what happens in the middle of thought "I should probably slow down with this tapping, it looks like it's gona break" :p
[22:51:45] <PetefromTn_> OOOhhh that bites.... Nothing worse than the sinking feeling after you break off the damn tap in a piece you just spent hours machining.
[22:51:48] <_methods> heheh welcome to the greatest experience in the world of machining
[22:52:04] <_methods> broken taps!!!!!
[22:52:14] <LeelooMinai> Well, it was m3 - I think those are easier to break.
[22:52:26] <_methods> they all break lol
[22:52:51] <LeelooMinai> I could get a hint when I noticed the sides of it were not straight any more
[22:53:19] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, is there some "kind" that is more resilient?
[22:53:21] <_methods> you were rigid tapping?
[22:53:29] <LeelooMinai> Like cobalt for drills, for example.
[22:53:29] <_methods> or hand tapping?
[22:53:39] <_methods> it depends on what you're doing
[22:53:48] <_methods> you have to use the right tap for the job
[22:53:59] <_methods> spriral flute, bottoming, thru hole
[22:54:04] <LeelooMinai> I was using my drill press and this tool that keeps the tap perpendicular - it has spring inside and pin that sticks out.
[22:54:10] <_methods> some taps are better than others
[22:54:19] <_methods> ahh so you were hand tapping
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[22:54:37] <_methods> what were you using for lube?
[22:54:57] <LeelooMinai> This time nothing, but normally I use some transmission fluid.
[22:55:14] <_methods> well get yourself some anchor lube
[22:55:16] <LeelooMinai> I thought "this is tiny hole"...:)
[22:55:20] <_methods> if you're going to be doing a lot of tapping
[22:55:22] <PetefromTn_> tap magic and others are worth their price
[22:55:35] <LeelooMinai> I think I need to buy more of those m3 taps too...
[22:55:44] <PetefromTn_> I actually bought some stuff at ACE hardware that is decent too.
[22:55:46] <_methods> is it a thru hole?
[22:56:06] <_methods> i use anchor lube or moly-d
[22:56:22] <LeelooMinai> Yes, it was through hole - I was "producing" limit switches mounts for my cnc using T6061
[22:56:28] <PetefromTn_> I hear good things about Moly d
[22:56:37] <PetefromTn_> thought it was not available anymore
[22:56:54] <_methods> yeah aluminum likes to load the flutes
[22:57:03] <_methods> it will snap a small tap quick
[22:57:06] <LeelooMinai> Because my old tiny CHinese mounts had a strange feature - when NC they were not really NC:)
[22:57:11] <PetefromTn_> get a spiral flute or spiral point tap and use the lube of your choise
[22:57:13] <LeelooMinai> I mean limit switches
[22:57:15] <_methods> put some lube on it
[22:58:06] <LeelooMinai> Yes, I guess I had to break one tap, to get a feel for not doing it next time
[22:58:31] <_methods> yeah small taps are not very forgiving
[22:58:41] <_methods> got my baby all set up and rust cleaned off
[22:58:43] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/txeaxh175t9g3b2/2014-11-16%2013.22.26.jpg?dl=0
[22:59:24] <_methods> $500 with taper and milling attachment lol
[22:59:57] <LeelooMinai> I always wandered why lathes are considered such great tools - they can only deal with round objects, no?
[23:00:19] <_methods> you can do anything with them
[23:00:24] <_methods> lathe is more important than a mill
[23:00:40] <LeelooMinai> Right, I think I don't get it:)
[23:01:11] <[cube]> lathe is the only machine on the planet that can replicate itself
[23:01:12] <_methods> you can put an endmill in the spindle
[23:01:13] <LeelooMinai> Say, I want to make small enclosure for some project in alu - what would a lathe be good for?
[23:01:44] <cradek> you could make a nice round enclosure with a threaded lid
[23:01:48] <_methods> hahah
[23:01:53] <_methods> like a mac
[23:01:54] <LeelooMinai> lol, right
[23:02:12] <_methods> there are milling attachments that fit on the crossslide
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[23:02:19] <LeelooMinai> That's what I was talking about - for me mill cnc seems more attractive
[23:02:23] <_methods> so you can put tooling in the lathe spindle and mill on the toolpost
[23:02:26] <_methods> not ideal
[23:02:30] <_methods> but it can be doen
[23:02:45] <PetefromTn_> methods Love the storm troopers man..!!
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[23:02:50] <_methods> hahhah
[23:02:51] <_methods> thx
[23:02:55] <_methods> i was bored one night
[23:03:00] <cradek> you can turn a rectangular thing in a lathe
[23:03:07] <shaun414> hello
[23:03:31] <LeelooMinai> My CNC is not really operational yet, but I was wondering - how would one go to make some surface in alu, that is at some angle to the x-y plane, say 45 deg?
[23:03:36] <PetefromTn_> did you print a template or something?
[23:03:54] <PetefromTn_> tilt it in the vise?
[23:03:55] <_methods> i had a micro projector
[23:04:04] <_methods> and projected on to cardboard
[23:04:05] <cradek> you can use a sine bar in the vise to make all sorts of angles
[23:04:06] <_methods> then traced it
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[23:04:11] <LeelooMinai> Would I need additional rotating axis, or I would do some line by line stepping, or maybe I would use special cutter?
[23:04:36] <_methods> you could use surfacing tool path
[23:04:39] <_methods> with a ball mill
[23:04:43] <PetefromTn_> if you need to machine an angled face onto a flat part you use 3d surfacing
[23:05:10] <cradek> or a bit of clever fixturing
[23:05:13] <cradek> or a 5 axis mill
[23:05:15] <LeelooMinai> Which is what in terms of what would machine do?
[23:05:19] <cradek> there are lots of ways to machine a cat
[23:05:26] <_methods> ^^
[23:05:43] <_methods> how much time do you have, how much money do you have
[23:06:01] <LeelooMinai> I mean "3d surfacing" sounds pretty generic
[23:06:02] <PetefromTn_> BOBA FETT!
[23:06:09] <_methods> yeah hahhaha
[23:06:10] <cradek> before the days of cnc people still made 45 degree angles
[23:06:32] <PetefromTn_> what kinda lathe is that again?
[23:06:38] <cradek> they even made arcs, which is actually a fairly hard thing to do without cnc
[23:06:39] <_methods> it's an old atlas
[23:06:43] <_methods> th42
[23:06:45] <LeelooMinai> I can make 45 angle in wood using a sharpened stone, but... :)
[23:06:47] <PetefromTn_> nice
[23:06:54] <_methods> i'm happy
[23:07:05] <_methods> i wanted a small tool room lathe
[23:07:09] <PetefromTn_> what is the laptop and mount for?
[23:07:15] <_methods> i would rather have gottan a small monarch
[23:07:20] <_methods> for my computer lol
[23:07:26] <PetefromTn_> 10EE!!!
[23:07:49] <LeelooMinai> I wonder what is that tool with huge spiral bit on the left for
[23:08:12] <PetefromTn_> you mean the hedge trimmer?
[23:08:13] <LeelooMinai> Or it's not spiral? I don't know - looks brutal
[23:08:19] <_methods> hahahha
[23:08:34] <_methods> hedge trimmer and copper pipe lol
[23:08:40] <_methods> look out for that combo
[23:08:47] <PetefromTn_> I have one just like that but I got rid of my hedges awhile back LOL
[23:09:11] <[cube]> almost cut my thumb off with one of those when i was 13
[23:09:16] <_methods> oh ouch
[23:09:16] <[cube]> still have the scars
[23:09:25] <PetefromTn_> damn things are dangerous
[23:09:31] <PetefromTn_> ;)>
[23:09:33] <LeelooMinai> No, but really, what do you make even with that lathe?
[23:09:42] <[cube]> i was holding it with one hand, snapped back and i instinctively grabbed it
[23:09:46] <shaun414> anyone selling any machine tools?
[23:09:50] <PetefromTn_> man you can make TONS of stuff with a decent lathe
[23:09:56] <shaun414> yeah
[23:09:59] <LeelooMinai> Yes, like what though:)
[23:10:00] <shaun414> i want one
[23:10:03] <shaun414> lathe
[23:10:03] <shaun414> :p
[23:10:05] <LeelooMinai> CHess set? :)
[23:10:06] <_methods> yeah i'll be putting the bearing journals on for my cnc mill
[23:10:19] <[cube]> shaun414: craigslist/ebay
[23:10:21] <_methods> parting ballscrew to length
[23:10:31] <_methods> on and on
[23:10:31] <PetefromTn_> I have built guns, tops, done barrel work, machined spacers, the list goes on and on.
[23:10:32] <shaun414> how much is a decent one?
[23:10:41] <[cube]> 2k
[23:10:48] <shaun414> hot damn
[23:10:49] <PetefromTn_> I got mine for $500
[23:10:49] <shaun414> nvmd
[23:10:56] <_methods> almost all power transmission components are round
[23:11:15] <PetefromTn_> but it needs some shit to be working sigh.
[23:11:18] <shaun414> he
[23:11:19] <[cube]> shaun414: get a job? :P
[23:11:20] <shaun414> 500?
[23:11:23] <shaun414> Im a student
[23:11:24] <shaun414> :p
[23:11:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[23:11:27] <shaun414> i will soon
[23:11:33] <[cube]> i worked through college
[23:11:35] <[cube]> it sucked
[23:11:39] <PetefromTn_> mines a used CNC lathe tho.
[23:11:40] <[cube]> but i got through it
[23:12:12] <PetefromTn_> then you should be able to get a job paying the big bucks and buy a restored 10EE to play with in your huge house' garage LOL
[23:12:12] <[cube]> pete that's a steal at $500
[23:12:27] <[cube]> rare find i'd say
[23:12:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know
[23:12:40] <PetefromTn_> which is why I drove all the way to Louisville to pick it up.
[23:12:51] <_methods> if you're patient and watch you can find some great deals
[23:12:54] <PetefromTn_> actually the deals are out there just gotta be ready with the cash
[23:13:00] <_methods> ^^
[23:13:03] <[cube]> yea
[23:13:10] <PetefromTn_> don't be afraid to low ball em :D
[23:13:12] <_methods> yep
[23:13:31] <[cube]> im thinking of going to tirekick this
[23:13:32] <[cube]> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-equipment-machinery/ottawa/kbc-milling-machine/1024553757
[23:13:36] <[cube]> and offer 1500 max
[23:13:43] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man I want a storm trooper on my shops wall now damnit..
[23:13:44] <_methods> man i saw a great ikegai go at an auction one day for $800
[23:14:02] <PetefromTn_> ikegai are apparently nice machines
[23:14:09] <_methods> oh man it was great
[23:14:15] <_methods> i couldn't believe it went for that low
[23:14:24] <_methods> had a subspindle and everything
[23:14:24] <PetefromTn_> I think my new Standard Modern will be sweet once it is retrofit
[23:14:32] <PetefromTn_> SUBSPINDLE!!!!
[23:14:37] <PetefromTn_> HOLY smokes
[23:14:40] <_methods> yeah gang tooling though
[23:14:47] <_methods> but who cares
[23:14:49] <PetefromTn_> that is an amazing deal unless it was a complete piece of shit.
[23:14:57] <_methods> no it was in great shape
[23:15:01] <PetefromTn_> DAMN
[23:15:13] <PetefromTn_> you should have bought it and put it alongside that Atlas ;)
[23:15:16] <_methods> still had paint by the spindles inside
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[23:15:42] <PetefromTn_> I always hear of deals like that but for the most part I have not seen one personally.
[23:15:46] <_methods> i would have loved to
[23:15:49] <PetefromTn_> I have gotten some nice deals tho.
[23:15:52] <_methods> auctions
[23:15:57] <_methods> i see crazy shit all the time
[23:15:57] <PetefromTn_> I bought my VMC for $1300.00
[23:16:02] <_methods> rotabs
[23:16:05] <_methods> all day
[23:16:07] <_methods> $300
[23:16:16] <shaun414> oh a 10ee
[23:16:17] <shaun414> :)
[23:16:19] <PetefromTn_> that is exactly what I need. A used fourth.
[23:16:20] <shaun414> those are sexy af
[23:16:31] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah they are
[23:16:47] <PetefromTn_> the most beautiful,overbuilt,sexy manual lathe ever made.
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[23:17:21] <_methods> yeah i almost scored one for $1400 but someone outbid me at the last minute
[23:17:31] <PetefromTn_> what?
[23:17:43] <_methods> monarch
[23:17:48] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[23:18:32] <_methods> yeah
[23:18:36] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/OthersProjects/12KMonarch1.jpg DROOL!
[23:18:59] <PetefromTn_> Look at that damn headstock man...
[23:19:14] <PetefromTn_> It is so massively overbuilt and beautifully curved.
[23:19:16] <_methods> they are beautiful
[23:19:23] <_methods> one day i'll get one
[23:19:29] <_methods> i'd love to do a restoration on one
[23:19:30] <PetefromTn_> look at the side of that apron
[23:19:39] <PetefromTn_> it is HUGE
[23:19:47] <shaun414> ahh
[23:19:55] <shaun414> someone get me a 10ee for christmas?
[23:20:04] <shaun414> or a hf lather, Im not picky
[23:20:05] <ssi> go find your own
[23:20:07] <ssi> :D
[23:20:09] <shaun414> :p
[23:20:18] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MONARCH-10-EE-TOOLROOM-LATHE-/291255445554
[23:20:22] * ssi has surge and swiss cake rolls
[23:21:07] <PetefromTn_> http://s52.photobucket.com/user/Goodday2You/media/Dans%20Shop/South%20Bend%20Lathe/SB1.jpg.html
[23:21:11] <PetefromTn_> also nice
[23:22:16] <shaun414> sb is nice too
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[23:22:17] <shaun414> yeah
[23:22:22] <PetefromTn_> man that blue one is nice....
[23:22:26] <LeelooMinai> I wonder if this kind of tap would be more forgiving: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HSS-CO-Cobalt-H2-Metric-Right-Hand-Spiral-Straight-Flute-Tap-Drill-M3-0-5mm-/231287952453?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35d9d61445
[23:22:29] <_methods> yeah
[23:22:32] <PetefromTn_> 14k is probably a bargain for that thing
[23:22:39] <shaun414> http://images.mocpages.com/user_thumbnails/richard@autopartstimaru.com/www.brickshelf.com_gallery_RJBROWN_RJBROWN_MISCminifigs_lathe.jpg_SPLASH.jpg
[23:22:45] <shaun414> I might be able to afford this
[23:22:50] <shaun414> lego is expesnive tho
[23:23:33] <ssi> lol
[23:24:04] <PetefromTn_> look at Morse taps on ebay
[23:24:21] <shaun414> yeah
[23:24:23] <_methods> are you in china LeelooMinai
[23:24:27] <shaun414> chucks are like 300 bucks
[23:24:33] <LeelooMinai> No, Canada
[23:24:37] <_methods> oh lol
[23:24:41] <ssi> basically the same thing
[23:25:31] <Aero-Tec2> how is Canada like china?
[23:25:41] <ssi> is this a riddle?
[23:26:21] <_methods> their names both start with C and end with A?
[23:26:29] <PetefromTn_> I need to get some acrylic sheet like .3 or so thick for a reasonable price.
[23:26:34] <Aero-Tec2> ssi where do you live?
[23:26:48] <_methods> PetefromTn_: sign shops
[23:26:56] <_methods> they might have drops you can buy
[23:27:04] <PetefromTn_> Hm I actually know a guy who owns a sign shop
[23:27:04] <_methods> or scrap
[23:27:12] <PetefromTn_> It needs to be a foot square or so
[23:27:22] <_methods> yeah i'd try hittin a sign shop up
[23:27:24] <ssi> PetefromTn_: home depot sells .220" acrylic
[23:27:25] <PetefromTn_> onlinemetals has it
[23:27:28] <_methods> they go through lots of stuff like that
[23:27:45] <PetefromTn_> Home depot is a RIPOFF on those materials!!!
[23:28:00] <PetefromTn_> and besides it is not really thick enough
[23:28:00] <ssi> if you only need one piece, it's not enough of a ripoff to really matter
[23:28:17] <PetefromTn_> I dunno it is pretty bad ripofff
[23:28:39] <_methods> i always walk by the metal section at home depot for a good laugh
[23:28:48] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is ridiculous
[23:29:06] <PetefromTn_> but people buy it..
[23:29:06] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, and alternative places are what?
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[23:29:32] <_methods> i'd rather rip rebar out of a bridge than pay homedepot prices
[23:29:56] <_methods> you can get metal from your local metal suppliers
[23:29:57] <PetefromTn_> I talked to a guy from Home depot one time and he said that they were going to start getting rid of the materials like steel and aluminum there but they just really cut it back
[23:30:01] <_methods> or go to local machine shops
[23:30:26] <PetefromTn_> makes you wonder how bad they are hiking the prices on other stuff...
[23:30:41] <_methods> you know it's the same
[23:30:43] <_methods> or worse
[23:30:45] <PetefromTn_> altho their prices for furniture plywood is not terrible really
[23:31:14] <PetefromTn_> I have done TONS of custom cabinet work and know what it costs me to buy from material suppliers for the most part at least in my area
[23:31:34] <_methods> they just have shit quality plywood
[23:31:35] <ssi> the prices aren't terrible, BUT
[23:31:36] <PetefromTn_> their prices are not that much higher really for hardwood plywood but the quality is not the same.
[23:31:55] <ssi> their chinese birch ply is much crappier than the chinese birch ply I can get for $4-5 cheaper at a lumberyard
[23:32:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah wholesale prices are not much lower really from my experience
[23:32:33] <ssi> I gave my next door neighbor all my good plywood
[23:32:36] <ssi> I didn't want to move it :P
[23:32:48] <PetefromTn_> I actually prefer to buy their bead board over the materials suppliers because I like the spacing and it is a bit cheaper at HD
[23:33:12] <PetefromTn_> believe it or not
[23:33:20] <PetefromTn_> their metal tho....Forget it.
[23:33:38] <ssi> yeah it's stupid
[23:34:08] <_methods> it's so bad it's silly
[23:34:16] <_methods> i laugh every time i walk by it
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[23:39:18] <shaun414> machinists
[23:40:28] * JT-Shop listens to some Janis Joplin
[23:40:44] <shaun414> can you make decent money machining on the side?
[23:42:46] <JT-Shop> depends on your products and customers
[23:43:55] <PetefromTn_> define decent LOL
[23:43:59] <JT-Shop> now for something completely different some Kate Bush singing Coffee Homeground
[23:44:55] <PetefromTn_> unless she is with Peter gabriel I am not interested ;)
[23:45:05] <shaun414> idk
[23:45:16] <shaun414> How much can you reasonably make on the side/
[23:45:17] * LeelooMinai ordered on Co tap and two HSS for total of $5
[23:45:23] <shaun414> enough to pay for the tools?
[23:45:50] <LeelooMinai> I wonder how long it will take me to break them all
[23:45:58] <shaun414> :p
[23:46:11] <JT-Shop> I only like the one song by her
[23:46:27] <LeelooMinai> Kate Bush is a bit coocoo, but I like Wuthering Heights
[23:46:51] <JT-Shop> she does have some amazing range in her voice
[23:46:56] <_methods> how many holes do you have to tap?
[23:47:34] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/Anchorlube-G-771-Cutting-Fluid-Bottle/dp/B00HLSUL1M
[23:47:41] <LeelooMinai> I did not really plan on the number of them in the future:) I bet a lot since m3 screws I use for random things on my CNC, ee projects, etc.
[23:47:44] <_methods> get you a bottle of that
[23:48:10] <_methods> you can tap granite with that
[23:48:12] <LeelooMinai> If I have to fix something small to something - m3 it is usually:)
[23:48:25] <PetefromTn_> LOL It's a miracle elixir...Snake oil
[23:48:27] <LeelooMinai> I actually have some alu tapping fluid
[23:48:39] <LeelooMinai> Was to lazy to use it today
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[23:50:00] <_methods> you can't get moly-d anymore?
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[23:50:37] * JT-Shop has never broken a tap if he looked at it first before tapping
[23:50:37] <PetefromTn_> I dunno I read something about it on PM
[23:50:40] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/CASTROL-MOLY-DEE-CF-98-885-7F-EXPEDITED/dp/B009NGKWLE
[23:50:53] <_methods> maybe i should get a gallon now lol
[23:50:57] <PetefromTn_> apparently they sell a new formula or something that is not as good.
[23:51:21] <_methods> ahhh
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[23:52:55] <PetefromTn_> what do you guys think is the most beautiful sports style bike you ever saw?
[23:54:16] <PetefromTn_> or cafe racer, or street fighter etc
[23:54:19] <JT-Shop> my Turkish customer just paid his $150 USP shipping bill... now I can ship
[23:54:37] <JT-Shop> 2009 GL1800 in Blue!
[23:54:49] <PetefromTn_> wing?
[23:55:35] <_methods> i like the stuff that yaffe guy makes
[23:56:00] <jdh> Pete: http://tinyurl.com/kewz56r
[23:56:20] <shaun414> omg bikes in all channels
[23:56:28] <PetefromTn_> nice
[23:56:30] <PetefromTn_> is that yours?
[23:56:36] <jdh> it is.
[23:56:38] <PetefromTn_> ti?
[23:56:40] <shaun414> nice bike
[23:56:43] <shaun414> can I have it?
[23:56:46] <jdh> ti. no.
[23:56:51] <shaun414> lol
[23:56:58] <shaun414> you make it?
[23:57:07] <jdh> no, seven did.
[23:57:27] <shaun414> oh
[23:57:40] <[cube]> shaun414, normally in life you have to earn things. people don't just give you shit ;)
[23:57:56] <shaun414> oh I was just asking
[23:57:59] <shaun414> never hurts
[23:58:00] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, yea
[23:58:12] <PetefromTn_> http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Ducati%20999%2005%20%203.jpg This thing gives me a hard on for some reason. I cannot afford it but I am thinking I gotta have one LOL.
[23:58:29] <jdh> that's pretty sexy
[23:58:30] <shaun414> oh it is sexy
[23:58:43] <PetefromTn_> I know right.
[23:58:51] <jdh> that's some dis
[23:58:53] <PetefromTn_> I have ridden a few Ducati's
[23:58:53] <jdh> disc
[23:58:59] <PetefromTn_> never owned one
[23:59:09] <PetefromTn_> had about 14 different sportbikes over the years
[23:59:24] <PetefromTn_> but that one has got to be one of the most beautiful looking bikes I ever saw.
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