#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-10-28

[00:00:02] <Connor> Thoughts anyone ?
[00:00:13] <PetefromTn_> Either should work depending on what your board orientation is.
[00:01:49] <Connor> No board. That's just a breakout box being fed from the DB25 to the main case. I ran out of connector space on the enclosure.
[00:02:47] <XXCoder> wood cnc indeed lol CaptHindsight
[00:02:52] <Connor> 2 wire x 3 for the Limits, 1 x 5 wire for the Spindle Encoder, 3 wire for touch probe and touch off plate, 2 wire for the power drawbar. 2 wire for air pressure sensor.
[00:03:03] <XXCoder> no prices too. it means I cant afford those either
[00:03:22] <PetefromTn_> how the hell did you run out of space in that HUGE black box?
[00:03:30] <Connor> that's immediate needs. Little concerned the hole into the enclosure isn't enough.
[00:03:41] <Connor> No more room on the back of it.
[00:03:57] <Connor> without removing and the fans.
[00:04:18] <Connor> and making a new back plate.
[00:06:51] <Connor> Debating on placement of the air solenoid. If I place it inside the enclosure, I can just run a single air line in. (Could have 2 more, one for the toolchanger and one for a air blast)
[00:07:07] <Connor> I could mount them on the back or side of the column.
[00:09:08] <Connor> I swear I paralyse myself trying to figure stupid stuff out.. I'm worried I'll make a wrong choice or something.. I think I'm getting more OCD as I get older.
[00:09:46] <PetefromTn_> Sometimes ya just gotta freakin' do it and then if it is really shitty do it again when you get fed up with it hehe
[00:10:34] <PCW> Damn I need to bold more things in the manuals
[00:10:50] <PetefromTn_> why?
[00:11:38] <Connor> Originally I was going to do upper left hand above the DIN rail. But.. I'm afraid that'll put too tight of a bend radius on the cables... if I come from the bottom.. I can do a nice sweep into the chip enclosure.. but the wires will have to go in front of, or beside the DIN blocks.
[00:11:39] <PetefromTn_> PCW I am gonna box up this 7i77 I toasted and ship it back to ya so I can hopefully have it for the new CNC lathe.
[00:11:42] <PCW> because people dont bother to read
[00:12:15] <PetefromTn_> I resemble that...
[00:12:15] <Connor> PCW You MIGHT want a Quick Start Guide outlining the most critical info..
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[00:12:49] <PCW> I might also say screw everyone but OEMs
[00:12:52] <Connor> The jumper settings for power, the modes for MPG, etc.
[00:13:07] <Connor> Oh man, don't do that.
[00:13:10] <Connor> we love you! :)
[00:13:37] <PetefromTn_> Jeez that would bite big time.
[00:13:37] <Connor> PCW This about the emails on the list about how to wire up the MPG for the lathe ?
[00:14:26] <PCW> No, the endless 7I80/7I76E thread on the forum
[00:14:50] <Connor> I've not seen that one.
[00:15:11] <Connor> but, then again, I'm not much for the linuxcnc forum.
[00:15:20] <PetefromTn_> whats goin on?
[00:15:21] <PCW> Just get frustrating sometimes, plus I do get crabbier as I get older
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[00:16:08] <PetefromTn_> Shit don't we all heh
[00:16:45] <andypugh> PCW: You do seem to invest about 10x the sale price of some boards in support time.
[00:17:20] <Connor> That's one reason I love the product.. The most excellent support. :)
[00:17:22] <andypugh> If I was you I would be saying “You are too stupid to use my products, just send them back”
[00:17:24] <Jymmm> Everyone's personal Sales Engineer
[00:17:43] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah I recommend you at every turn
[00:17:43] <andypugh> Which is why I don’t do any job where i have customers.
[00:17:54] <PetefromTn_> your products and support are a MAJOR reason I am here.
[00:18:01] <Connor> Tell'm go get a Smooth Stepper and play with Mach3. :)
[00:18:24] <PetefromTn_> that's akin to telling them to eat shit and jump off a bridge no?
[00:18:30] <Jymmm> I'm just here for the dinner and show.
[00:19:19] <PCW> Yeah, and generally I _like_ doing support but occasionally some customers seem unhelpable
[00:19:38] <PetefromTn_> without question some are...hell I probably am hehe
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[00:19:45] <Jymmm> andypugh: PCW is just not a jaded bastard like we are =)
[00:20:14] <Jymmm> andypugh: "Press the ANY key to continue"
[00:20:37] <andypugh> PCW I seeem to have broken my vow to never try to help Aram again recently.
[00:20:51] <PCW> Arggg...
[00:21:41] <Connor> When installing a IP68 Wire gland.. which side does the rubber O-Ring go, outside of the enclosure, or inside ?
[00:22:50] <Jymmm> andypugh: Just for that, you must mill/lathe at least 5 of your next projects with dull rusty tooling in penace for your sin =)
[00:23:35] <Jymmm> Connor: got pic?
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[00:23:48] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_10_27_14_02.jpg
[00:23:54] <Connor> That's the one.
[00:23:56] <Connor> I have.
[00:24:08] <Connor> I'm thinking rubber goes on the outside.
[00:24:17] <Jymmm> oh the nut you mean?
[00:24:24] <Connor> I hope anyway.. the inside has ribs.
[00:24:38] <LeelooMinai> O, btw, what is "field power" in those manuals. I read some yesterday and it was referring to it. Is it just some external power that machine use?
[00:24:53] <Jymmm> Connor: Right but the oart that sits in the enclosure, not the cable side?
[00:24:54] <Connor> Jymmm: No, The nut goes outside.. I know that much.
[00:25:33] <Connor> But. I'm thinking Hex | Rubber | Enclosure | Hex Nut
[00:25:36] <Jymmm> Connor: fitting > gasket/oring -> enclosure > nut
[00:25:43] <PCW> Its the Isolated (normally 24V) I/O voltage for inputs and outputs
[00:25:52] <Jymmm> Connor: correct
[00:26:15] <Jymmm> Connor: to prevent water from seeping thru the threads
[00:26:40] <LeelooMinai> PCW: So, it could be shared with steppers, limit switches?
[00:27:17] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_10_27_14_01.jpg okay. So, Install it where... Bottom left midway between wall and connector... or top left above the DIN blocks.. cables are going up to the PVC that goes into chip tray.. and maybe 2 or 3 beside the box for air solenoids and air pressure switch.
[00:27:17] <PCW> limit switches, relays etc
[00:27:34] <PetefromTn_> I would not think the same power should be used for steppers but limits and estop no?
[00:27:40] <LeelooMinai> I have PSU that is up to 36V that powers the stepper drivers.
[00:27:54] <PCW> steppers only up to 30V or so so best keep steppers on their own
[00:28:11] <Connor> LeelooMinai: Don't use that. Use a external PSU, powerbrick or something.
[00:28:23] <Connor> I'm using my CPU PSU +12v for my stuff.
[00:28:39] <PCW> also step motor drives a big noise makers so not the most appropriate for I/O
[00:28:40] <Connor> would have went with 24v, but allot of my stuff was already 12v.
[00:28:47] <Jymmm> I refilled a one lb disposabe propane tank with 1.23 lbs and it's 74F ambient air temp. Think I should bleed it off?
[00:28:49] <andypugh> PCW: There is a pinout in that guys manual, the photo is annotated with P1 as PWM, P2 as X-step etc
[00:29:21] <Connor> Jymmm: How soon do you plan on using it ?
[00:29:35] <Jymmm> Connor: months to never
[00:30:02] <PCW> Thanks Andy, I'll look later the Ethernet guy had me frazzled...
[00:30:27] <Jymmm> Connor: I refill them ALL once a year. And use as/if needed.
[00:30:31] <LeelooMinai> I think I could also take power from this mesa daughterboard for switches, no?
[00:30:40] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPbOEetDHdM I know Microkinetics is less than stellar but I wonder if I could adapt one of these toolchanger turrets to my new CNC lathe once I get it workind.
[00:30:48] <Jymmm> All the empties that is
[00:31:09] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: I thought you already had a toolchanger?
[00:31:18] <PetefromTn_> No unfortunately not
[00:31:28] <andypugh> Sorry, need to read, you are talking about the lathe…
[00:31:33] <PCW> You need to supply Field I/O power. this power is also used for switch common
[00:31:40] <PCW> bbl
[00:31:40] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah the Cincinatti has one
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[00:31:46] <Connor> Jymmm: It'll probably be okay.. but.. I tend to air on the side of caution.. so the fact that your asking indicates you have a little doubt.. be safe and bleed it off.
[00:31:48] <LeelooMinai> I, I see, ok
[00:31:56] <zeeshan|2> ssi
[00:31:57] <PetefromTn_> the new lathe does not.
[00:32:53] <Jymmm> Connor: As I understand it, the risk is when it's put to use in cold climates (winter in this case) and the propane expands and causes the safety valve to release gas.
[00:33:10] <Jymmm> Connor: What I don't know is the actual capacity of these tanks.
[00:33:32] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfazZQM6e64 SWEET one here...
[00:33:41] <Connor> You might do some searches on overfilling them on google and see what they say.
[00:33:49] <Jymmm> Connor: They are all sold with 16.4 oz of propane
[00:34:40] <Connor> I know that most pressure vessels are engineered with a safety margin.. What that would be on those.. I have no idea.
[00:35:21] <Jymmm> Connor: I use them on a portable indoor heater. if the safety valve releases, well, you know...
[00:35:38] <Connor> Yea, I think I would bleed it off.
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[00:35:44] <Connor> Just not worth the risk.
[00:36:24] <Jymmm> Connor: Yeah, me too.... {grabs thermal gloves}
[00:36:47] <Valen> I'd say depends on how hot it gets
[00:36:57] <Valen> if its cold there all the time probably fine
[00:37:04] <Jymmm> Valen: It's not how hot, but how COLD it gets.
[00:37:05] <Valen> though 25% by weight over fill is pretty big
[00:37:16] <Valen> I meant leaving it over filled
[00:37:26] <Jymmm> Valen: The colder the ambient temp, the more the propane expands.
[00:37:41] <Jymmm> ...when used.
[00:37:51] <Valen> .... pretty sure propane is like everything else, it gets smaller when it gets colder
[00:38:11] <jdh> almost everything
[00:38:18] <Jymmm> Valen: Right, but in use, propane goes from liquid to gas, and expands
[00:38:23] <Valen> so?
[00:38:30] <Valen> that won't make the tank explode
[00:38:33] <Valen> the issue is the tank over pressures when it heats up
[00:38:50] <Jymmm> Valen: So, aas it expands it increases pressure, thus triggering the safety bleed off valve
[00:38:59] <Connor> near open flames..
[00:39:25] <zeeshan|2> hi connore
[00:39:31] <zeeshan|2> propane tank?
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[00:39:32] <Valen> http://www.pveng.com/ASME/ASMEComment/DualCert_LowTemp/DualCert_Low_Image1.png
[00:40:00] <Valen> the pressure in the tank is dependant on the temperature of the material in the tank
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[00:40:31] <zeeshan|2> ??
[00:40:35] <zeeshan|2> answer me!
[00:40:48] <Valen> zeeshan|2: 7!
[00:40:52] <Connor> zeeshan|2: Yes, we're talking about propane tanks.
[00:41:02] <zeeshan|2> factor of safety is 6
[00:41:08] <zeeshan|2> approx
[00:41:22] <Connor> Jymmm: has 1lb that he over filled by 25%
[00:42:03] <jdh> isn't it liquid in the tank.
[00:42:12] <Connor> yes.
[00:42:21] <Jymmm> jdh: But converts to gas in use
[00:42:24] <Valen> a portion of it
[00:42:34] <jdh> how can you fit 25% more liquid into a container that holds x
[00:42:43] <Valen> the tank has a ullage volume
[00:42:45] <jdh> it converts to gas on the other side
[00:42:46] <zeeshan|2> cause its not all liquid
[00:42:57] <Valen> IE its only meant to be filled to X percentage
[00:43:25] <jdh> I fill my 2400psi steel cylinders to 3600psi
[00:43:27] <Jymmm> If propane is drawn faster than the liquid-to-gas conversaton process occures, the temperature of the tank will get extremely cold.
[00:43:33] <Valen> the remaining gas volume is there to take up expansion of the liquid as the tank pressure changes
[00:43:44] <Jymmm> and beging to get frost on the tank
[00:43:45] <zeeshan|2> u crzy jdh
[00:43:46] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[00:43:57] <Valen> tank temp changes rather
[00:44:19] <jdh> I fill my aluminum 3000psi cylinders to 3000psi
[00:44:27] <Connor> Like I said. It being propane.. not air.. and being used for portable headers etc.. I say bleed it off and be safe.
[00:44:37] <jdh> bah, it's liquid
[00:44:43] <zeeshan|2> f that
[00:44:45] <zeeshan|2> make a flame blower
[00:45:06] <PetefromTn_> I know I am always talking off topic drivel but what the hell does propane have to do with CNC here LOL?
[00:45:23] <jdh> propane powerd cnc!
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[00:46:31] <zeeshan|2> no sign from ssi
[00:46:32] <zeeshan|2> =/
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[00:47:06] <zeeshan|2> as much as me and him bicker
[00:47:09] <zeeshan|2> he be my friend :/
[00:47:15] <syyl_> cnc flamethrowers?
[00:47:19] <syyl_> Oo
[00:47:22] <Valen> Jymmm: you didn't do thermodynamics at all did you lol, the liquid to gas transition is endothermic, it always uses heat energy as such the tank will always chill off. you can get stick on gas bottle fill labels that make use of this. When you do it a lot, it will get much colder
[00:48:04] <Valen> if you do it just a little then you may not notice it absorbing heat from the surroundings
[00:48:16] <zeeshan|2> why the jabs
[00:49:27] <zeeshan|2> valen youre from australia?
[00:49:39] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4725365759.html NICE wish I had the coin...
[00:49:39] <Valen> yes
[00:49:47] <zeeshan|2> i thought australia was a desert
[00:49:52] <zeeshan|2> how do you know thermodynamics
[00:49:52] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[00:49:55] <Valen> lots of it is
[00:50:24] <Valen> because I did a few classes on it at uni when I was doing my degree and also highschool physics
[00:51:03] <Valen> I "jab" at him because he says wrong stuff. like the gas expanding when you use it will make it blow the safety valve
[00:51:16] <Valen> sitting on the dash of your car will make it blow
[00:51:17] <zeeshan|2> i forgot which thermo equations you use to figure out temperature drops
[00:51:21] <zeeshan|2> i know its common sense it drops
[00:51:25] <zeeshan|2> but was it first law of thermodyun?
[00:51:32] <Valen> heh its a decade ago now
[00:51:34] <zeeshan|2> dU = dQ + dW?
[00:51:37] <zeeshan|2> i totally forget
[00:51:56] <zeeshan|2> i did well in the course
[00:51:57] <Valen> I only remember the adiabatic ones because they are the same as momentum
[00:52:03] <zeeshan|2> i just didnt care too much since im a mechanics guy
[00:52:09] <zeeshan|2> o
[00:52:34] <Valen> you need to have the latent heat of formation and the mass of the product vapourising
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[00:52:46] <zeeshan|2> starting to ring bells
[00:53:15] <Valen> its messy though if you are just gassing off like that
[00:53:28] <zeeshan|2> just do it slowly
[00:53:31] <Valen> because the equations give you the energy needed to vapourise that quantity
[00:53:41] <zeeshan|2> if you do it slowly
[00:53:50] <zeeshan|2> you'll transfer heat through conduction/convection
[00:53:58] <zeeshan|2> before it drops low enouigh
[00:54:00] <Valen> then you need to work out how much that changes the temperature of that mass of reagent
[00:54:05] <zeeshan|2> haha
[00:54:14] <zeeshan|2> fak thermo!!
[00:54:33] <Valen> like i said, it gets messy
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[00:55:05] <Valen> oh adiabatic (no temperature change) pressure/volume formula is P1V1 = P2V2
[00:55:28] <zeeshan|2> looks very much like ideal gas law
[00:55:28] <zeeshan|2> =D
[00:55:33] <Valen> which is the momentum formula, M1V1 = M2V2
[00:55:50] <syyl_> in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
[00:55:52] <syyl_> http://vimeo.com/68401939
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[00:56:22] <syyl_> (there is a simpsons quote for every occasion)
[00:56:37] <Valen> yep
[00:56:44] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[00:57:04] <Valen> its one of the most scientificly literate shows out there sadly
[00:58:46] <zeeshan|2> are you an engineer
[00:59:22] <jdh> you should see how hot my little rebreather oxygen tanks get when I boost them up to 220bar
[00:59:37] <zeeshan|2> jdh
[00:59:45] <zeeshan|2> have you cut one of those scuba tanks apart?
[00:59:57] <jdh> nope,why would I do that?
[01:00:02] <zeeshan|2> curiousity
[01:00:13] <zeeshan|2> im wondering what the wall thickness is on em
[01:00:19] <jdh> about 3mm
[01:00:29] <syyl_> the steel ones are pretty thin
[01:00:40] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[01:00:41] <zeeshan|2> .118"
[01:00:44] <zeeshan|2> thats thin
[01:01:04] <Jymmm> You have any idea on how much of a PITA it is to bleed of liquid propane?! LMAO
[01:01:09] <Connor> thats the reason they're stored standing up and not on the side.
[01:01:10] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm:
[01:01:12] <zeeshan|2> just burn it!
[01:01:15] <Valen> zeeshan|2: heh nah, in theory a space scientist, in practice computer programmer and IT person ;-P
[01:01:22] <zeeshan|2> valen haha
[01:01:32] <Connor> the bottom's are much thicker.
[01:01:42] <zeeshan|2> connor
[01:01:44] <jdh> I store mine in whatever orientation they fit.
[01:01:46] <zeeshan|2> what does storing them standsing up
[01:01:49] <zeeshan|2> have to do with anything?
[01:01:53] <Connor> Rust
[01:02:00] <jdh> mine don't rust.
[01:02:10] <zeeshan|2> i'll rust your face jdh
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[01:02:31] <zeeshan|2> that'd be kind of a cool super power
[01:02:32] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: good idea, I'll find something to burn tomorrow =) Got MArshmellows?
[01:02:38] <zeeshan|2> the ability to rust anything i touch
[01:02:46] <zeeshan|2> instantly
[01:02:55] <syyl_> i know people that have that skill
[01:03:04] <syyl_> its not very cool
[01:03:16] <jdh> I can do that with carbon steel knives
[01:03:17] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: delicious marshmellows
[01:03:32] <zeeshan|2> i'm not talking about surface rust
[01:03:32] <zeeshan|2> i mean
[01:03:35] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Hmmmm, fire roasted peppers
[01:03:37] <zeeshan|2> deep rust
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[01:03:45] <zeeshan|2> rendering a machine useless
[01:04:12] <zeeshan|2> i'm just talking nonsense
[01:04:20] <zeeshan|2> im trying to distract myself from the rape
[01:04:26] <XXCoder> yummy deep rust
[01:04:26] <zeeshan|2> of a midterm that is coming this friday
[01:05:14] <zeeshan|2> has anyone dealt with shear flows?
[01:05:19] <zeeshan|2> of closed section members?
[01:05:23] <zeeshan|2> with no symmetry
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[01:18:20] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zJ2opK9OK4 This is what I will be dreaming of for awhile now hehe...
[01:19:54] <zeeshan|2> hi PetefromTn_
[01:20:03] <zeeshan|2> what kind of lathe did you get?
[01:20:08] <XXCoder> hey stranger
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[01:21:27] <PetefromTn_> http://www.hhrobertsmachinery.com/used-cnc-lathes/Standard-Modern-CNC-Lathe-Brochure.pdf
[01:22:04] <zeeshan|2> which size
[01:22:06] <PetefromTn_> Mine is the 14x40 flavor only it is not as pretty as the picture....yet
[01:22:14] <zeeshan|2> holy cow
[01:22:16] <zeeshan|2> 5hp motor
[01:22:17] <zeeshan|2> very nice
[01:22:28] <PetefromTn_> actually it came with a 7.5 hp motor
[01:22:35] <zeeshan|2> even better!
[01:22:42] <PetefromTn_> but the motor and other stuff has been removed.
[01:23:04] <zeeshan|2> if you dont mind me asking
[01:23:06] <zeeshan|2> how much?
[01:23:31] <PetefromTn_> $500.00 LOL
[01:23:37] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[01:23:42] <zeeshan|2> nice!!!!!
[01:23:50] <XXCoder> wow
[01:23:53] <zeeshan|2> its what you wanted too
[01:23:55] <zeeshan|2> something that was already cnc
[01:23:56] <XXCoder> needs work but damn cheap
[01:24:11] <zeeshan|2> it looks a lot beeefer than the chiense 12x36
[01:24:14] <zeeshan|2> very nice
[01:24:16] <zeeshan|2> great purchase :)
[01:24:32] <PetefromTn_> I wanted a quality CNC lathe that was ALREADY a CNC lathe.
[01:24:36] <zeeshan|2> is it the 2" spindle bore?
[01:24:50] <PetefromTn_> There is no comparison to the 12x36 other than basic layout.
[01:25:30] <PetefromTn_> it has the D1-5 spindle but it unfortunately has the 1.56 spindle bore.
[01:25:54] <zeeshan|2> still a bit bigger than the 12x36
[01:26:01] <XXCoder> fixable with better chuck?
[01:26:10] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: the spindle bore
[01:26:13] <zeeshan|2> is the hole that goes through the entire spindle
[01:26:17] <XXCoder> oh
[01:26:23] <zeeshan|2> so you can stick long rods through it
[01:26:27] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:26:36] <XXCoder> cnc lathe I work near has that too
[01:26:45] <XXCoder> hurco umm dunno model #
[01:26:52] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: did you see the video
[01:26:59] <zeeshan|2> trying to see how much i can cut in one go?
[01:27:04] <zeeshan|2> remember my motor is 3hP
[01:27:13] <zeeshan|2> (real 3hp, not chinese 3hp)
[01:27:14] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:27:20] <XXCoder> think I missed uour link
[01:27:26] <zeeshan|2> i think you saw it
[01:27:28] <zeeshan|2> i posteed it a while ago
[01:27:32] <XXCoder> ok
[01:27:53] <zeeshan|2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtuQcJ4prHE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUy-Z-COl0WvPmSLXMOvtedg#t=5
[01:27:55] <XXCoder> I finished my internship project today
[01:28:02] <XXCoder> its a steel tap block
[01:28:11] <zeeshan|2> go to 1 min
[01:28:11] <XXCoder> I made two
[01:28:12] <zeeshan|2> to see the action
[01:28:15] <zeeshan|2> .25" DOC
[01:28:27] <zeeshan|2> at .375" DOC i stalled the motor
[01:28:35] <zeeshan|2> well i didnt stall it
[01:28:38] <zeeshan|2> but i could hear it wanting to stall
[01:28:42] <zeeshan|2> thats when i realized
[01:28:47] <zeeshan|2> a 5 hp motor would be nice to have!
[01:29:00] <XXCoder> use volkwagon motor lol
[01:29:02] <XXCoder> 200 hp
[01:29:03] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:29:04] <zeeshan|2> dude
[01:29:08] <zeeshan|2> i have my engine from an eclipse
[01:29:12] <zeeshan|2> 160ft-lb
[01:29:12] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:29:16] <zeeshan|2> 147 hp
[01:29:19] <zeeshan|2> it'll work!
[01:30:37] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I seriously considered retrofitting my 12x36 it is a fine little lathe.
[01:30:48] <zeeshan|2> no point man
[01:30:51] <zeeshan|2> just the ball screws
[01:30:54] <zeeshan|2> REAL ball screws
[01:30:59] <zeeshan|2> are worth not having to convert the chinese lathe
[01:31:41] <PetefromTn_> But I am very pleased with this new machine. It is much heavier and more powerful let alone all the nice stuff like built in spindle encoder, the base of this thing is very heavy gauge steel plate and there is a built in coolant tray and sump.
[01:32:03] <zeeshan|2> how much doyou think it weights?
[01:32:10] <PetefromTn_> I would have had to buy a spindle motor and VFD anyway so this just makes tons more sense really for me.
[01:32:14] <PetefromTn_> 3k
[01:32:29] <zeeshan|2> very nice
[01:32:35] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: you should by the sumitomo drive
[01:32:37] <zeeshan|2> its dirt cheap
[01:32:40] <zeeshan|2> and its top of the line
[01:33:02] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Sumitomo-VFD-AC-1-Phase-5-HP-Max-3-Phase-10-HP-Max-200-240-Volts-/181559186612?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a45c554b4
[01:33:04] <PetefromTn_> probably look for another Hitachi WJ-200 if I can afford it.
[01:33:08] <zeeshan|2> that is if you decide to run 5hp
[01:33:17] <zeeshan|2> dude, this is up in par with wj200
[01:33:33] <zeeshan|2> but since this guy had a cancelled order
[01:33:34] <PetefromTn_> motor HP will depend on the best deal I can get on the motor itself
[01:33:37] <zeeshan|2> he's selling them cheap
[01:33:47] <zeeshan|2> these go for like 1200
[01:33:49] <PetefromTn_> would love to get a 7.5 HP motor for it.
[01:34:12] <zeeshan|2> 7.5hp 240V might be hard to find
[01:34:18] <PetefromTn_> apparently this thing has turcite ways.
[01:34:25] <PetefromTn_> huh?
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[01:34:29] <XXCoder> metal foam lol
[01:34:29] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: That’s only a 240V VFD though. What is 3-phase voltage in the US?
[01:34:48] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: i hook mine up to single phase
[01:35:00] <andypugh> Turcite is a polymer. Hardinge use it, so do Tormach.
[01:35:08] <zeeshan|2> 3 phase voltage depends on whether its delta or wye
[01:35:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am familiar with it.
[01:35:22] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: I was wondering more about the motor voltage
[01:35:31] <zeeshan|2> ohhh
[01:35:48] <zeeshan|2> ill tell you in 1 min
[01:36:00] * zeeshan|2 hides from XXCoder
[01:36:03] <zeeshan|2> he knows what my 1 min is
[01:36:30] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: Well, actually, i was more concerned about Pete’s motor voltage and the 240V VFD
[01:36:46] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: thats what im saying
[01:36:50] <zeeshan|2> 7.5hp 240VAC is hard to find
[01:36:53] <zeeshan|2> theyre usually higher voltages
[01:36:57] <zeeshan|2> so u'll see a xfrmr
[01:37:25] <zeeshan|2> two of my motors say
[01:37:29] <zeeshan|2> 208-230V
[01:37:39] <PetefromTn_> there are lots of 7.5 HP 3 phase 230 volt motors that I saw online...http://www.electricmotorwholesale.com/Baldor-Motors-3PH-ODP-TwoWinding-VariableTorque-TwoSpeed/
[01:37:50] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: yes brand new
[01:37:53] <zeeshan|2> you can get em
[01:37:55] <zeeshan|2> im talking about used market
[01:37:59] <zeeshan|2> where you get motors for $50
[01:37:59] <zeeshan|2> :)
[01:38:13] <zeeshan|2> i dont think ive ever bought a new motor!
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[01:38:53] <zeeshan|2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128539016@N05/15547107501/
[01:38:55] <zeeshan|2> heres some of the smaller ones
[01:39:00] <zeeshan|2> 230V
[01:39:39] <PetefromTn_> http://www.electricmotorwholesale.com/MARATHON-Y994.html
[01:39:53] <zeeshan|2> damn
[01:40:12] <zeeshan|2> expensive
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[01:40:30] <XXCoder> wow what the fuck http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/26/woman-pretends-to-be-deaf_n_6044180.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000022
[01:40:53] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/i5H5xKV.jpg
[01:40:56] <zeeshan|2> the one that came on the lathe
[01:40:56] <zeeshan|2> 220V
[01:41:12] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: i dont understand why motor voltage is important in terms of vFD?
[01:41:19] <zeeshan|2> you can set the max voltage in the vfd
[01:41:48] <andypugh> A 440V motor won’t run well on a 240V VFD
[01:41:53] <PetefromTn_> http://www.electricmotorwholesale.com/LEESON-G141113/
[01:41:53] <zeeshan|2> ofcourse
[01:41:56] <zeeshan|2> need transformer
[01:42:06] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i know they exist
[01:42:07] <andypugh> And then you need a 44V VFD
[01:42:10] <zeeshan|2> you can buy any motor almost brand new
[01:42:18] <andypugh> (440V)
[01:42:21] <zeeshan|2> its just hard to find them used
[01:42:51] <andypugh> If you have a 440V motor (that can’t be re-wired) then you need a higher-voltage VFD.
[01:42:59] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: yes
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[01:43:32] <andypugh> They make step-up VFDs, but I don’t think they come in that sort of size. And they cost a lot more.
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[01:43:58] <PetefromTn_> Honestly this lathe has a max speed around 3500 or so so I would probably be fine with 5hp and VFD combo should be more than enough. the basic lathe came that way anyway. could save me some money.
[01:44:02] <zeeshan|2> yea my 110VAC vfds
[01:44:09] <zeeshan|2> for 0.5 hp are step up to 240VAC
[01:44:21] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: depends on what you wanna do
[01:44:25] <zeeshan|2> from my experience
[01:44:33] <zeeshan|2> .375" DOC will stall a 3hp motor
[01:44:35] <zeeshan|2> in 6061
[01:44:44] <zeeshan|2> with a VNMG insert 5 degree attack angle
[01:44:57] <zeeshan|2> so if you can live with .625" DOC
[01:45:04] <zeeshan|2> in al, i think youll be okay!!
[01:45:13] <zeeshan|2> (with 5 hp)
[01:45:24] <Connor_iPad> That's a VERY aggressive cut.
[01:45:30] <andypugh> Pah! you have a woman’s voltages! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EfW9znJYjw )
[01:45:43] <zeeshan|2> Connor: not really
[01:45:43] <zeeshan|2> :P
[01:45:58] <zeeshan|2> i talked to the machinists at school
[01:45:59] <Connor_iPad> zeeshan|2: Stop being a know it all.
[01:46:01] <zeeshan|2> and showed them the video
[01:46:11] <zeeshan|2> about why i was getting long string chips
[01:46:18] <zeeshan|2> nomatter how much i changed the feedrate
[01:46:27] <zeeshan|2> said it was the nose radius of my insert
[01:46:32] <zeeshan|2> i was using a vnmg 331
[01:46:42] <zeeshan|2> suggested vnmg 333 or 332
[01:46:45] <zeeshan|2> to get the chip to curl more
[01:46:55] <zeeshan|2> Connor_iPad: but i do know it all
[01:47:08] <zeeshan|2> what made you say that anyway
[01:47:50] <Connor_iPad> The absolute wall of words with your name preceding it. :)
[01:48:07] <zeeshan|2> im only try to help
[01:48:18] <zeeshan|2> i guess ill stop
[01:48:37] <andypugh> I know less than I think I know. Which is why I have some CNMG12 inserts because I thought I knew how to measure insert sizes. I needed size 09. I also needed C**T too.
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[01:48:56] <zeeshan|2> whats 12?
[01:49:17] <PetefromTn_> I need to pull the X servo off and try to figure out what it is so I can get an appropriate servo drive determined.
[01:49:33] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: youre missing a number
[01:49:35] <andypugh> It’s a pity that they didn’t decide on shape - mounting - angle - tolerance. It would make searching eBay easier.
[01:49:51] <andypugh> I am missing two numbers.
[01:50:11] <zeeshan|2> depends
[01:50:12] <zeeshan|2> :P
[01:50:20] <andypugh> These inserts are actually CNMG120408
[01:50:35] <PetefromTn_> http://tricities.craigslist.org/mat/4711818606.html Looks like the beginnings of a sweet CNC router to me hehe
[01:50:41] <zeeshan|2> okay youre using iso carbide insert designation
[01:50:45] <zeeshan|2> which is a pain in the ass!
[01:51:12] <andypugh> Pah! You and your antiquated units
[01:51:21] <zeeshan|2> it might be why you have a hard time finding inserts
[01:51:25] <zeeshan|2> ansi system is very simple
[01:51:27] <toastyde1th> do any of you guys do electronics repair as a hobby?
[01:51:31] <toastyde1th> (side question sorry)
[01:51:44] <zeeshan|2> CNMG 4 3 2 for example
[01:51:55] <zeeshan|2> 4 is the IC, 3 is thickness 2 is radius
[01:51:59] <zeeshan|2> CCMT 3 2.5 1
[01:52:10] <zeeshan|2> i hate how they write "ccmt 32.51"
[01:52:15] <zeeshan|2> its a bit misleading :P
[01:54:26] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: In what units?
[01:54:35] <zeeshan|2> all in inches
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[01:54:42] <andypugh> 4 inches?
[01:54:45] <zeeshan|2> ohhh
[01:54:49] <zeeshan|2> those are look up numbers
[01:54:49] <andypugh> That’s a big insert
[01:55:04] <zeeshan|2> so for example 4 is the IC , so the dimension is .5"
[01:55:16] <zeeshan|2> 3 refers to .187
[01:55:21] <zeeshan|2> or .185"
[01:55:22] <zeeshan|2> i forget
[01:55:30] <zeeshan|2> the last number is the important one!
[01:55:38] <zeeshan|2> 1 is 0.016 nose radius
[01:55:41] <andypugh> Yeah, so you decided that inches were too big, so decided that your base units should be 3,175mm :-)
[01:55:48] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:56:01] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: to be fair
[01:56:09] <zeeshan|2> when i teach the machining lab and we talk about material selection
[01:56:19] <zeeshan|2> i start of with "if you're working in north america -> ....."
[01:56:27] <zeeshan|2> "if you're working in the REST OF THE WORLD -> ...."
[01:56:51] <zeeshan|2> the worst is when people try to order 40mm flat bar x 20mm
[01:57:01] <zeeshan|2> it has a 2-3 week turn around time
[01:57:07] <zeeshan|2> and costs like 3x more
[01:58:16] <zeeshan|2> http://www.clausing-industrial.com/detail.asp?p=L&l=CCVSL&m=CCVSL18-21
[01:58:17] <andypugh> I rang the heat-treatment shop today: “I have some EN8 gears to harden”. Now, the EN numbers were invented in WW2, and obsoleted in 1970. (EN24 became 817M40). But everyone still uses EN numbers.
[01:58:21] <zeeshan|2> my school is getting rid of the lathes
[01:58:23] <zeeshan|2> 2 of them
[01:58:27] <zeeshan|2> and replacing them with CNC
[01:58:55] <zeeshan|2> 18"x60"
[01:59:06] <andypugh> I doubt that anyone in industry would use a manul any more. Heck, even I don’t.
[01:59:17] <zeeshan|2> they want 3500 for it
[01:59:20] <zeeshan|2> which is dirt cheap
[01:59:34] <zeeshan|2> you're right
[01:59:55] <toastyde1th> small manual machines are not common in industry - they're very common as size increases
[02:00:01] <andypugh> Looks like an easy CNC conversion. In fact there might be scope for a factory conversion,
[02:00:11] <zeeshan|2> yea the problem is
[02:00:16] <zeeshan|2> i need to sell my 12x36 first
[02:00:20] <zeeshan|2> and move all the shit over to this lathe
[02:00:31] <zeeshan|2> and i really dont know how i'd move it
[02:00:38] <zeeshan|2> its around 6000 lb
[02:00:46] <zeeshan|2> unlike the mill its a weird shape
[02:01:04] <zeeshan|2> and at the end of the day
[02:01:07] <zeeshan|2> do i really need something that big
[02:01:09] <zeeshan|2> ?!!? :D
[02:01:42] <zeeshan|2> btw back to what were talking about -- cnc lathes
[02:02:04] <zeeshan|2> its suprising how students just understanding establishing datums on a cnc machine
[02:02:09] <zeeshan|2> but when it comes to a manual machine, they're lost
[02:02:14] <zeeshan|2> it baffles my mind
[02:02:26] <zeeshan|2> *undstand
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[02:08:08] <humble_sea_bass> yo son. computer offsets are mad easy
[02:08:18] <humble_sea_bass> but them knobs is cray cray
[02:21:06] <PetefromTn_> Man this freakin degreaser gags me.. but it is working really good.
[02:23:29] <Tom_itx> at eating your lungs?
[02:23:39] <PetefromTn_> pretty much
[02:23:47] <PetefromTn_> Had to take a breather break ;)
[02:24:00] <Tom_itx> Tri is a cancer causing agent
[02:24:12] <PetefromTn_> I got this schitt at the dollar store for.....a dolla!
[02:24:51] <Connor_iPad> What doesn't cause cancer these days?
[02:24:59] <PetefromTn_> probably some chinese copy of simple green with radioactive goo that will make my hands glow green at night.
[02:25:26] <PetefromTn_> at least I can play with myself without a flashlight under the sheets.....WIN!!! hehe
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[02:26:05] <PetefromTn_> I moved the lathe to where it will sit once it is working.
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[02:26:24] <PetefromTn_> But I am going to remove that back door for the electronics cabinet so I can work on it
[02:26:27] <Tom_L> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,1,2-Trichloro-1,2,2-trifluoroethane
[02:26:32] <Tom_L> degreaser
[02:26:37] <PetefromTn_> pretty much what I did with the Cincinatti
[02:26:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah nasty sheet..
[02:27:07] <Tom_L> also used in drying coffee beans i'm told
[02:27:20] <PetefromTn_> I got to get some cash in here so I can start buying components for this beast
[02:27:57] <PetefromTn_> trying to figure out what paint I want to spray on it right now and what color.
[02:28:08] <PetefromTn_> Thinking a white or cream color
[02:28:14] <Tom_L> epoxy
[02:28:16] <Valen> where can I get titanium bar stock from in australia
[02:28:18] <PetefromTn_> maybe a white with some gray in it.
[02:28:49] <PetefromTn_> I have the epoxy paint I used on the coolant troughs but when you mix that stuff it is thick as peanut butter...
[02:29:10] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: But that's not manly enough.
[02:29:17] <PetefromTn_> no way it would spray thru my guns unless you thin it and the guys at the store I bought it from said not to...
[02:29:33] <Tom_L> not a good idea
[02:29:43] <PetefromTn_> FinboySlick Yeah I know and I am not a man for that reason :D
[02:29:44] <Tom_L> you can but it slows the drying time alot
[02:30:00] <PetefromTn_> thats what I figured.
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[02:30:05] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: And here I thought of you as a machinist version of Brock Samson.
[02:30:16] <PetefromTn_> I need to get something seriously strong for inside the enclosure.
[02:30:27] <Tom_L> powder coat
[02:30:44] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah man I am JUST like that guy hehe
[02:30:47] <Tom_L> marine enamel
[02:30:49] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NpsXS8bnHE (for reference, Brock isn't that well known)
[02:31:08] <PetefromTn_> I would love to powdercoat it but I need to do the lathe base casting as well.
[02:31:24] <PetefromTn_> I mean I don't HAVE to do any of this but I want to make it look nice and clean and new
[02:31:44] <FinboySlick> Paint it *blood red*.
[02:33:03] <PetefromTn_> LOL that's hilarious.
[02:33:28] <PetefromTn_> I actually have some red cans of rustoleum in the shop from another project
[02:33:43] <PetefromTn_> I could paint it and paint the base black and call it the LATHE REAPER...
[02:33:59] <FinboySlick> That's more like it.
[02:33:59] <Connor_iPad> Grizzly green
[02:34:11] <PetefromTn_> Good lord no
[02:34:17] <Connor_iPad> Hehe
[02:34:19] <PetefromTn_> I had enough of the green with the lathe
[02:34:35] <PetefromTn_> My Lathemaster RF45 WAS green... I fixed that shit too hehehe
[02:37:38] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMJ6Q-8jnzk hehehe
[02:38:01] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: It's an awesome show.
[02:38:08] <FinboySlick> I love Molotov Cocktease.
[02:41:19] <PetefromTn_> Well back to scrubbin'
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[02:59:00] <zeeshan|2> ive been using mineral spirits to clean the mill
[02:59:07] <zeeshan|2> that shit eats grease
[02:59:09] <zeeshan|2> for dinner!
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[03:00:48] <XXCoder> nice
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[03:23:53] <ssi> scrub scrub scrubh
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[03:24:34] <ssi> scrubbed himself right off the irc
[03:29:53] <zeeshan|2> SSI!
[03:29:58] <zeeshan|2> DUDE
[03:30:28] <XXCoder> hey ssi!
[03:30:41] <XXCoder> heard what happened. you and your place ok?
[03:31:33] <ssi> I'm fine
[03:31:52] <zeeshan|2> dude
[03:31:54] <zeeshan|2> wtf happened
[03:32:01] <ssi> eh nothing surprising
[03:33:32] <zeeshan|2> is your house ok?
[03:33:37] <ssi> haha no, not really
[03:33:41] <ssi> but it doesn't matter
[03:34:00] <zeeshan|2> plz tell me you didnt lose everything
[03:34:06] <ssi> nah
[03:34:15] <zeeshan|2> its fucked up
[03:34:16] <ssi> have a lot of cleanup to do
[03:34:22] <zeeshan|2> we were talking about fire extinguishers
[03:34:25] <zeeshan|2> that one night
[03:34:26] <ssi> and my insurance company is going to hate me
[03:34:29] <ssi> yeah
[03:34:42] <zeeshan|2> what caught on fire??
[03:34:57] <ssi> the underbed
[03:34:58] <Connor> ssi Be sure to get a new insurance company after.. They'll jack your rates WAY up.
[03:35:06] <ssi> Connor: I won't need an insurance company after :P
[03:35:09] <ssi> I'm not going to stay in that house
[03:35:21] <Connor> Your not ?
[03:35:22] <zeeshan|2> the underbed is the thing
[03:35:25] <zeeshan|2> where the big ass laser tubes went?
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[03:35:30] <XXCoder> its too damaged?
[03:35:39] <ssi> nah it's what the downdraft exhaust was attached to
[03:35:41] <ssi> it was still plywood
[03:35:44] <ssi> needed to be changed
[03:36:06] <zeeshan|2> ive been bummed out
[03:36:09] <Connor> You going to find a new house or something ?
[03:36:09] <ssi> it was a calculated risk... sometimes they don't work out :)
[03:36:12] <zeeshan|2> since i heard this shit
[03:36:24] <XXCoder> whats downdraft exhaust? fireplace vent or what
[03:36:32] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: it sucks
[03:36:34] <zeeshan|2> all the fumes out
[03:36:35] <zeeshan|2> from the table
[03:36:39] <ssi> right
[03:36:41] <XXCoder> oh
[03:37:04] <zeeshan|2> stuff can be replaced
[03:37:05] <zeeshan|2> SSI cant!
[03:37:09] <ssi> yeah I'm not worried about the stuff
[03:37:11] <zeeshan|2> glad you're here with us :)
[03:37:13] <ssi> my pets are ok
[03:37:27] <Connor> You a cat, or dog person? :)
[03:37:28] <zeeshan|2> you're my ARGUE buddy!!
[03:37:30] <zeeshan|2> you cant die on me!!
[03:37:30] <ssi> both :P
[03:37:30] <zeeshan|2> :D
[03:37:45] <ssi> you won't get rid of me that easily
[03:37:55] <Tom_itx> ha!
[03:38:11] <zeeshan|2> where do i send the donations!?!
[03:38:11] <zeeshan|2> :D
[03:38:18] <ssi> no donations necessary
[03:38:27] <ssi> I'll be happy with minimal judgement :)
[03:38:41] <zeeshan|2> hahah
[03:38:44] <zeeshan|2> youre a funny guy
[03:38:48] <Connor> I don't think my wife is going to let me have a laser cutter now because of you. :(
[03:38:52] <ssi> bawww
[03:38:57] <zeeshan|2> connor shit happens
[03:39:02] <ssi> just tell her you won't make yours crappy like I did
[03:39:05] <Connor> Im joking.
[03:39:10] <zeeshan|2> ssi is gonna rebuild his laser cutter
[03:39:14] <zeeshan|2> guaranteed :p
[03:39:16] <ssi> duh
[03:39:22] <ssi> well so the good news is
[03:39:28] <ssi> I was already wanting to move the shop to the airport where the vmc is
[03:39:29] <Connor> or buy one with the insurance money. :)
[03:39:32] <ssi> and now I pretty much have to
[03:39:53] <ssi> the machines in the basement didn't get damaged, but they did get hot enough to cook the oil off them, then wet
[03:39:56] <ssi> so they're going to take some cleanup
[03:40:05] <XXCoder> ow yeah
[03:40:08] <ssi> I think everything's ok
[03:40:11] <ssi> worst thing looks like my tablesaw
[03:40:13] <ssi> the top is a rusty mess
[03:40:14] <XXCoder> wd40 to remove water then more oil?
[03:40:21] <ssi> the hardinge was full of neat oil
[03:40:24] <ssi> and the sump filled up with water
[03:40:29] <ssi> there's 2" of water in the chip tray
[03:40:33] <zeeshan|2> water from extinguisher?
[03:40:34] <ssi> but it's OILY water
[03:40:41] <ssi> water from the plumbing upstairs melting
[03:40:42] <zeeshan|2> or fire fighters i mean
[03:40:43] <zeeshan|2> oh
[03:40:44] <ssi> and the fire dept
[03:41:02] <ssi> so it has a little surface rust on the ways but i think it'll clean up
[03:41:10] <ssi> the chuck on the 602 looks bad but I think it'll clean up too
[03:41:23] <zeeshan|2> dude
[03:41:27] <Connor> take pictures just in case.
[03:41:32] <ssi> yeah I'm taking tons of pics
[03:41:33] <zeeshan|2> im glad its all good
[03:41:35] <ssi> and insurance seems cooperative
[03:41:51] <Connor> and insurance will help pay for cleanup and refurb.
[03:41:53] <ssi> yeah
[03:42:01] <ssi> plus they'll pay for a lot of the bullshit I had but didn't need
[03:42:05] <ssi> and I can spend that money on things I want
[03:42:08] <ssi> like more machines :)
[03:42:10] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[03:42:24] <zeeshan|2> we know what the cause of fire was
[03:42:28] <zeeshan|2> but does the insurance company know?
[03:42:31] <ssi> yep
[03:42:35] <zeeshan|2> they dont care?
[03:42:37] <ssi> nope
[03:42:39] <ssi> shit happens
[03:42:39] <zeeshan|2> GOOD to know
[03:42:57] <ssi> adjuster told me about a guy that was using an oxyfuel torch to bend some metal in a closed basement and it filled up with gas and blew up
[03:43:01] <ssi> and they covered it
[03:43:09] <XXCoder> wow
[03:43:10] <ssi> they cover stupidity
[03:43:12] <ssi> just not malice
[03:43:17] <XXCoder> so your laser caused fire
[03:43:18] <zeeshan|2> gotcha
[03:43:43] <zeeshan|2> did you lose your amc be25 drives?
[03:43:48] <ssi> one's fine
[03:43:57] <ssi> one's smoke damaged and may or may not be any good
[03:43:57] <Connor> I had a house fire on Dec 23rd when I was like 12.
[03:44:02] <ssi> three are in the mail
[03:44:05] <ssi> so those are fine :)
[03:44:07] <zeeshan|2> haha
[03:44:10] <zeeshan|2> sweet man
[03:44:14] <ssi> the X axis servo for the vmc was in the office and I dunno if it's ok or not
[03:44:14] <zeeshan|2> where you at right now??
[03:44:18] <ssi> at work actually hahah
[03:44:21] <ssi> I came here to get my laptop
[03:44:21] <Connor> Main bedroom was totaled everything else smoke damage..
[03:44:25] <ssi> and sat down to use the computer for a minute
[03:44:32] <ssi> Connor: the smoke is amazing
[03:44:35] <ssi> it gets everywhere
[03:44:42] <XXCoder> and look up and find out youre done your shift lol
[03:44:47] <zeeshan|2> what the heck is smoke damage
[03:44:50] <zeeshan|2> how does smoke damage stuff
[03:44:50] <zeeshan|2> :d
[03:44:56] <XXCoder> it can
[03:44:57] <ssi> I'll send you some pictures :P
[03:45:06] <XXCoder> carbon is conductive depending opn how it is
[03:45:19] <Connor> On Christmas, I opened up my gifts.. one was a Joystick and game for the computer.. which was in my bedroom.. destroyed from smoke damage... It still worked.. but.. keys were all metled and it smelled.
[03:45:33] <Connor> My Good ol TI-99-4A
[03:45:49] <zeeshan|2> connor
[03:45:51] <zeeshan|2> so you were a nerd
[03:45:52] <zeeshan|2> even at 11
[03:45:55] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[03:46:40] <zeeshan|2> ssi
[03:46:41] <zeeshan|2> mate
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[03:46:48] <Connor> I've always been a Nerd. I built a toy car out of Erector set powered with a electric motor when I was in Kindergarten.
[03:47:17] <zeeshan|2> FUCK
[03:47:25] <Connor> language.
[03:47:26] <XXCoder> I am nerd, geeky and dweeb :P
[03:47:33] <zeeshan|2> ssi are you joking me
[03:47:37] <zeeshan|2> this guy is standing in front of his house
[03:47:38] <zeeshan|2> smiling
[03:47:40] <zeeshan|2> with a fire fighter
[03:47:41] <zeeshan|2> ROFL
[03:47:42] <ssi> haha the cop is a friend of mine
[03:47:49] <zeeshan|2> hahahahah
[03:47:50] <ssi> i was panicking when he showed up
[03:47:54] <ssi> he runs up and hugs me
[03:48:02] <ssi> and goes "this is your opportunity to take an EPIC selfie"
[03:48:10] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[03:48:18] <ssi> calmed me down SO MUCH
[03:48:38] <zeeshan|2> it just makes me really sad
[03:48:41] <zeeshan|2> to see your stuff like that man
[03:48:42] <ssi> don't be
[03:48:43] <ssi> it's fine
[03:48:44] <zeeshan|2> cause i know how much ure into
[03:48:45] <Connor> We had guns and ammo in the house.. you should have heard the bullets popping off..
[03:48:45] <zeeshan|2> it
[03:48:49] <ssi> Connor: yeah me too
[03:48:58] <ssi> the closet in the room where the laser was had 25lb of powder and 5k primers in it
[03:49:06] <ssi> cops asked "is there anything flammable in the house"
[03:49:10] <ssi> I just laughed
[03:49:14] <Connor> ROFL
[03:49:20] <ssi> 20gal kerosene in the parts washer
[03:49:23] <ssi> solvents everywhere
[03:49:25] <ssi> ammo, powder
[03:49:29] <ssi> you name it
[03:49:37] <zeeshan|2> dude
[03:49:39] <ssi> nothing really was an issue other than the powder and primers in the closet
[03:49:43] <zeeshan|2> so by the time you noticed it
[03:49:43] <ssi> and it didn't really make much difference
[03:49:46] <zeeshan|2> it was already up in flames?
[03:49:51] <ssi> it was small when I caught it
[03:49:58] <zeeshan|2> like small means
[03:50:04] <zeeshan|2> roughy 12" x 12"?
[03:50:08] <ssi> it was big enough to melt the wires to the exhaust fan and trip the breaker
[03:50:11] <zeeshan|2> (sorry numbers person)
[03:50:14] <ssi> which killed the air assist
[03:50:21] <ssi> I heard it go quiet and went to check
[03:50:33] <ssi> tried to put it out with towels, got the topside out but the bottom was burning
[03:50:42] <ssi> smoke was bothering me ad I had to make a judgement call
[03:50:46] <ssi> I opted to go outside and call
[03:51:00] <ssi> took 30m to show up, set up, and fight it
[03:51:05] <zeeshan|2> i guess theyre not kidding
[03:51:07] <ssi> by the time they were set up it was quite a blaze
[03:51:09] <zeeshan|2> when they say fires spread fast
[03:51:13] <ssi> well it started slow
[03:51:18] <ssi> but once it got into the walls it went fast
[03:51:30] <XXCoder> fire has exponental growth
[03:51:33] <ssi> yeah
[03:51:38] <zeeshan|2> im grabbing a fire extingiusher
[03:51:46] <Connor> Fire extinguisher would have probably saved the house.
[03:51:50] <ssi> it would have
[03:51:55] <ssi> and I had planned on trying to get some
[03:51:58] <zeeshan|2> look at the bloody logs
[03:51:58] <ssi> day late and a dollar short
[03:52:00] <zeeshan|2> you were going to walmart
[03:52:02] <ssi> yeah
[03:52:05] <ssi> like that night
[03:52:05] <zeeshan|2> to grab one
[03:52:11] <ssi> I was waiting for that cycle to finish
[03:52:13] <ssi> bahhhh
[03:52:14] <ssi> hahah
[03:52:18] <ssi> my luck runs that way
[03:52:20] <Connor> It finished all right.
[03:52:20] <ssi> oh so get this
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[03:52:24] <ssi> so my weekend has been nuts
[03:52:31] <ssi> I've been driving back and forth from the airport to the house
[03:52:33] <ssi> staying at the airport
[03:52:36] <ssi> 65 miles between
[03:52:44] <ssi> and I have a little utility trailer I pull behind my car
[03:52:47] <ssi> making trips, moving stuff
[03:52:54] <Connor> ssi: If you had went with Pete it might not have happened either.
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[03:53:00] <ssi> Connor: yeah :(
[03:53:17] <zeeshan|2> fak it
[03:53:18] <ssi> so I'm heading through atlanta with a couple friends, in the hov lane, and there's a HERO unit with the lane blocked, so I move over
[03:53:19] <zeeshan|2> forget the past
[03:53:24] <zeeshan|2> look forward to the future
[03:53:28] <ssi> and he walks across and stops traffic to let the guys move over
[03:53:35] <ssi> and I'm sitting in traffic stopped for several minutes
[03:53:38] <ssi> as is eveyrone behind me
[03:53:44] <ssi> then the lady behind me suddenly just rearends me
[03:53:49] <ssi> I get out
[03:53:55] <ssi> she's yelling at me "I couldn't see your trailer!"
[03:53:57] <ssi> (huge ass SUV)
[03:54:00] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[03:54:02] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[03:54:11] <ssi> I was like "That's not my problem, enjoy the hole in your bumper"
[03:54:12] <ssi> and I leave
[03:54:20] <ssi> so I get off the interstate 20m later
[03:54:21] <ssi> go to get fuel
[03:54:27] <Connor> Damn, WTF
[03:54:32] <ssi> I have the trailer and I can't hardly get into the one diesel pump
[03:54:36] <ssi> the trailer's 45 degrees behind me
[03:54:46] <ssi> and some jackwagon in an suv parks an inch from my front bumper
[03:54:55] <ssi> so I have to kinda maneuver a bunch to get out of there without jacknifing
[03:55:03] <ssi> and as I'm getting ready to pull off
[03:55:18] <ssi> he whips out from the pump, pulling out 45 degrees across my back bumper and sideswipes the trailer
[03:55:22] <ssi> tore the whole side of his truck up
[03:55:28] <zeeshan|2> ROFL
[03:55:33] <XXCoder> damn
[03:55:35] <ssi> THIS is how my life goes :)
[03:55:37] <zeeshan|2> dude
[03:55:40] <zeeshan|2> youre not flyting
[03:55:42] <zeeshan|2> for at least 5 years
[03:55:44] <ssi> hahahah
[03:55:48] <zeeshan|2> banned
[03:56:13] <Connor> How did your trailer fair ?
[03:56:19] <ssi> it's fine
[03:56:19] <XXCoder> ssi my worse was someone went 40 mph turning 90 degrees and totaled my car
[03:56:21] <ssi> some white paint on it :)
[03:56:35] <ssi> couple years ago I had a rash of accidents where people kept hitting me
[03:56:38] <ssi> red car, must have been invisible
[03:56:43] <XXCoder> it sucks because I lost old but very realiable car and I was dizzy for 9 months
[03:56:48] <ssi> got rearended, it was in the shop getting repaired
[03:56:53] <ssi> and someone rearended me in my rental
[03:56:54] <ssi> FFS
[03:57:07] <ssi> XXCoder: ew :/
[03:57:11] <XXCoder> I still randomly get dizzy and while I can barely play games before I basically cant play em now
[03:57:23] <XXCoder> I men 3d games like minecraft
[03:57:28] <XXCoder> ksp is fine though
[03:57:30] <Connor> I've been rear-ended in my ford Ranger twice. Within 200' of the same spot..
[03:57:42] <XXCoder> fuking driver got away with ot
[03:57:55] <XXCoder> my insurance covered it so guess its fine
[03:58:06] <ssi> I love ksp
[03:58:07] <ssi> haha
[03:58:16] <XXCoder> you can't imange it
[03:58:30] <XXCoder> you cany imange how glad I am to be still able to play it
[03:58:33] <ssi> I'm sure
[03:58:33] <Connor> 2nd time was a guy in a vet, he Accelerated into me..
[03:58:42] <ssi> I hate getting hit
[03:58:44] <ssi> screws up your whole day
[03:58:53] <ssi> although not as much as burning your house down will :P
[03:59:06] <XXCoder> me too. my replacement car sucked. don't buy ford contour before 1999
[03:59:24] <XXCoder> I now drive a van
[03:59:39] <XXCoder> soccer mom type lol
[04:00:36] <ssi> so ins is gonna pay for another place to live while the house is rebuilt, and storage for my stuff
[04:00:44] <ssi> ie, they're going to give me cash to live at the airport and pay my hangar rent
[04:00:55] <zeeshan|2> they can rebuild a house after a fire? :p
[04:00:56] <XXCoder> no family?
[04:01:01] <zeeshan|2> like starting from scratch?
[04:01:03] <XXCoder> zee yeah if frame wood is fine
[04:01:03] <ssi> sure they can
[04:01:12] <XXCoder> maybe replace few as needed
[04:01:21] <ssi> tehy'll tear it down to framing, replace the burnt stuff, the whole roof
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[04:01:49] <zeeshan|2> by living @ the airport
[04:01:52] <zeeshan|2> you mean live in the hangar? :p
[04:01:56] <ssi> haha nah
[04:02:01] <ssi> my buddy has an apartment on the field
[04:02:04] <zeeshan|2> cause that'd be cool :D
[04:02:08] <XXCoder> why not? cheap lol
[04:02:08] <ssi> it's in a hangar
[04:02:15] <ssi> but it's heated and air conditioned
[04:02:17] <XXCoder> just have 5 or 6 blankets if cold lol
[04:02:18] <ssi> which is sort of important :)
[04:02:29] <ssi> oh and it has running water
[04:02:31] <ssi> my hangars don't
[04:02:38] <XXCoder> restroom?
[04:02:43] <ssi> nope
[04:03:02] <XXCoder> your friends hangar has running water but no tiolets?
[04:03:12] <ssi> no he has toilets
[04:03:14] <ssi> mine don't
[04:03:19] <ssi> http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2014/10/27/atlanta-namedthe-sugar-daddy-capital-of-north.html
[04:03:34] <XXCoder> well place to drink and place to shit.
[04:03:38] <XXCoder> thats all you need lol
[04:03:43] <ssi> showers are nice
[04:04:03] <ssi> but mostly i like heat and AC
[04:04:11] <zeeshan|2> will your insurance cover your belongings?
[04:04:14] <ssi> yup
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[04:04:20] <zeeshan|2> fak it
[04:04:21] <ssi> there's some sublimits on some things
[04:04:22] <zeeshan|2> "G0704"
[04:04:23] <zeeshan|2> MIA
[04:04:31] <zeeshan|2> :D
[04:04:32] <ssi> well some bits of the 704 are gone
[04:04:48] <ssi> the stand was in the room, and inside the stand was the servo drives and a 60v toroidal supply
[04:05:02] <zeeshan|2> nooooooo
[04:05:02] <XXCoder> I hope I will have job that i can afford shop or something
[04:05:12] <ssi> I'm not going to screw them on anything; they're going to pay me enough for this crap as it is
[04:05:33] <ssi> I have a LOT of stuff
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[04:05:39] <zeeshan|2> i know!!
[04:05:39] <XXCoder> "Oh I also lost gold plated X"
[04:05:40] <zeeshan|2> haha
[04:05:41] <ssi> a lot of EXPENSIVE Stuff, and most of it will need cleaned at the very least
[04:05:48] <ssi> and it could have been a lot worse
[04:05:48] <XXCoder> like this but 10 times more expensive lol
[04:05:54] <ssi> I have a $40k gun collection
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[04:05:59] <ssi> and $15k in gold and silver
[04:06:02] <ssi> all in a fireproof safe
[04:06:04] <ssi> and it's all fine
[04:06:06] <zeeshan|2> !!
[04:06:19] <zeeshan|2> ssi is loaded
[04:06:28] <ssi> no, I'm not
[04:06:32] <XXCoder> 40k? 15k is rich?
[04:06:33] <ssi> because I spend all my money on bullshit :)
[04:06:50] <XXCoder> heh
[04:06:57] <ssi> but some stuff should have been in the safe and wasn't
[04:07:01] <ssi> my grandfather's watch was in the room that burned
[04:07:16] <ssi> a 1940s gold omega seamaster
[04:07:31] <XXCoder> dunno about what watch that is but still sucks
[04:07:33] <ssi> so that's depressing
[04:07:38] <ssi> that's about the only thing I really care about losing
[04:07:49] <ssi> also my good friend loaned me a really nice hickok tube tester
[04:07:50] <ssi> and it was lost
[04:07:52] <ssi> that'll be hard to replace
[04:08:11] <ssi> everything else is just stuff
[04:08:38] <zeeshan|2> are you moving all your machinery
[04:08:40] <zeeshan|2> to the hangar?
[04:08:41] <ssi> yeah
[04:08:44] <ssi> every scrap
[04:08:58] <ssi> already moved the plasma table, the tig welder, the bandsaw, and woodworking tools
[04:09:02] <ssi> parts washer
[04:09:12] <ssi> anything I could load with two guys and a utility trailer
[04:09:23] <zeeshan|2> your master sew machine? :d
[04:09:26] <ssi> oh yeah that too
[04:09:34] <ssi> both toolboxes
[04:09:38] <ssi> bins and bins of tools and stuff
[04:09:44] <ssi> my mom came up to help
[04:09:48] <ssi> sent her to the store to fetch some bins
[04:09:52] <ssi> she spent $180 on my card on bins
[04:09:53] <ssi> hahaha
[04:09:57] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[04:10:02] <ssi> I have 20 rubbermaid bins now
[04:10:16] <ssi> $9 apiece aint bad reall y:)
[04:11:08] <zeeshan|2> im glad msot of your stuff is ok
[04:11:20] <zeeshan|2> i know for me i'd be devestated if my shit burned down
[04:11:32] <zeeshan|2> because ive spent like literally 12+ scavenging
[04:11:34] <zeeshan|2> trying to find the best deal
[04:11:35] <zeeshan|2> lol
[04:11:45] <zeeshan|2> i need to inventory everything
[04:11:47] <ssi> yeah, me too
[04:11:52] <zeeshan|2> my dad been on my case about that
[04:11:53] <ssi> it's not great, that's for sure
[04:11:59] <ssi> yeah I wish I had itemization
[04:12:02] <ssi> I've talked about it for ever
[04:12:04] <zeeshan|2> "what your paid" "retail value" "what you'd sell for"
[04:12:06] <ssi> but it's really really hard
[04:12:11] <ssi> and i have SO MUCH STUFF
[04:12:15] <zeeshan|2> i know dude
[04:12:20] <zeeshan|2> i open one drawer in the kennedy box
[04:12:23] <zeeshan|2> and i give up
[04:12:35] <zeeshan|2> its hard to go through every single thing
[04:12:36] <ssi> I got exhausted just trying to make an inventory of the guns
[04:12:47] <ssi> you know you have first world problems when it's exhausting to count your guns
[04:12:51] <zeeshan|2> lol
[04:12:58] <zeeshan|2> from my understanding of guns
[04:13:05] <zeeshan|2> people collect guns as a commodity
[04:13:08] <zeeshan|2> just like gold
[04:13:12] <ssi> some people do
[04:13:18] <ssi> me not really
[04:13:21] <ssi> mine are all differetn
[04:13:28] <ssi> and a significant fraction are handbuilt by me
[04:14:04] <XXCoder> guns just dont appeal to me
[04:14:12] <zeeshan|2> ur face doesnt appeal to me ok
[04:14:18] <ssi> lol
[04:14:19] * zeeshan|2 hides
[04:14:20] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[04:14:28] <zeeshan|2> i havent even seen your face!
[04:14:29] <ssi> they're machines like any other :)
[04:14:30] <XXCoder> im fine with it.
[04:14:41] <zeeshan|2> im pretty anti-gun
[04:14:46] <zeeshan|2> but i'd own a couple
[04:14:49] <zeeshan|2> if that makes any sense?
[04:14:53] <ssi> not really :)
[04:15:00] <zeeshan|2> i just dont like seeing morons owning guns
[04:15:22] <XXCoder> youre in support of gun licensing then
[04:15:23] <ssi> I get ya, but it's like saying "I don't want to have kids cause there's already so many morons having kids"
[04:15:31] <ssi> makes sense, except then only morons have kids
[04:15:46] <XXCoder> like car licensing means less morons on road. somewhat less
[04:15:54] <ssi> XXCoder: um, since when?
[04:16:00] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: you sumarized it
[04:16:05] <ssi> they'll give anyone a damn drivers license
[04:16:07] <zeeshan|2> i support gun licensing
[04:16:12] <zeeshan|2> that makes it harder for people to get guns
[04:16:18] <zeeshan|2> so the people who are really enthuiasts
[04:16:20] <XXCoder> ssi not quite. thetes this drive test and drive test
[04:16:26] <zeeshan|2> or want it for protection, would go through the hassle and get it
[04:16:32] <XXCoder> one has to be mimnimally able to drive
[04:16:33] <zeeshan|2> the morons get filtered out hopefully
[04:16:37] <ssi> zeeshan|2: that already exists for the most part
[04:16:41] <ssi> I've been licensed since I was 21
[04:16:55] <XXCoder> 27 for me. was too poor to buy car or have car insurance
[04:17:06] <ssi> anyway this isn't the conversation we need to have right now :P
[04:17:31] <zeeshan|2> i hear you can own a gattling gun
[04:17:33] <zeeshan|2> in TX
[04:17:42] <ssi> sure
[04:17:45] <ssi> or anywhere else really
[04:17:51] <ssi> except the horrible places where you can't own anything
[04:17:54] <zeeshan|2> cant own it up here
[04:17:59] <ssi> yeah like that :)
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[04:18:15] <zeeshan|2> im going to for my gun license after i graduate
[04:18:20] <zeeshan|2> i've had a few close calls
[04:18:23] <zeeshan|2> w/ black bears
[04:18:31] <zeeshan|2> i got hiking a lot in the middle of no where
[04:18:45] <zeeshan|2> i'd hate to kill one
[04:18:52] <zeeshan|2> but sometimes theyre really aggressive
[04:18:58] <zeeshan|2> especially after they've woken up after hibernation
[04:19:00] <ssi> you don't set out to kill one for sure
[04:19:04] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:19:06] <XXCoder> hey ssi
[04:19:08] <ssi> but sometimes you gotta do it
[04:19:11] <XXCoder> you made some guns eh
[04:19:15] <ssi> but, make sure you bring enough gun
[04:19:16] <XXCoder> machinist stuff?
[04:19:18] <ssi> too little will just piss it off
[04:19:19] <ssi> XXCoder: yeah
[04:19:24] <zeeshan|2> yea
[04:19:26] <zeeshan|2> i hear a 9mil
[04:19:28] <zeeshan|2> wouldnt do anything
[04:19:31] <ssi> correct
[04:19:38] <zeeshan|2> you need a 38 calibre
[04:19:39] <zeeshan|2> or something
[04:19:46] <ssi> 38 wouldn't do anything either
[04:19:56] <ssi> really honestly if you're worried about it you need a rifle
[04:19:59] <ssi> but that's inconvenient
[04:20:00] <XXCoder> bring this zeeshan|2 http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/zorg.jpg
[04:20:05] <ssi> there are handguns that'd be enough, but they're ridiculous
[04:20:13] <zeeshan|2> my hunter friend suggested
[04:20:15] <zeeshan|2> a sawed off shot gun
[04:20:27] <zeeshan|2> because a rifle is quick enough for short range
[04:20:32] <ssi> well I dunno what the laws are like in canada
[04:20:40] <ssi> but sawed off shotguns are in a special restricted class in the us
[04:20:41] <zeeshan|2> we can have i believe 16 " long shotguns
[04:20:51] <zeeshan|2> LOL XXCoder
[04:20:52] <ssi> shotguns are 18" here
[04:20:54] <zeeshan|2> that movie was awesome
[04:20:55] <ssi> but that's hardly sawed off either way
[04:21:00] <zeeshan|2> ssi as you can see
[04:21:03] <zeeshan|2> i dont know shit about guns
[04:21:04] <zeeshan|2> :)
[04:21:10] <ssi> yeah it's cool :)
[04:21:15] <ssi> plus a sawed off shotgun is a bad idea for bear
[04:21:19] <ssi> because it's all spread and no power
[04:21:26] <zeeshan|2> i wanna spray
[04:21:30] <zeeshan|2> like i did in cs 1.4
[04:21:35] <XXCoder> or this zeeshan|2 http://goo.gl/fccbKg
[04:21:50] <zeeshan|2> did you guys play CS?
[04:21:57] <zeeshan|2> spray around with the ak
[04:22:03] <XXCoder> I play computer science yes :P
[04:22:03] <zeeshan|2> or troll people with the AWP
[04:22:07] <zeeshan|2> haha XXCoder
[04:22:12] <XXCoder> otherwise dunno
[04:22:20] <zeeshan|2> counterstrike 1.4
[04:22:20] <zeeshan|2> :D
[04:22:34] <XXCoder> oh
[04:22:46] <XXCoder> that was already unplayable before accient
[04:23:10] <ssi> I did a million years ago
[04:23:16] <ssi> like 2000-2001
[04:23:22] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[04:23:34] <XXCoder> last shooter ganme I played was quake
[04:23:37] <ssi> ugh I hate to do it
[04:23:40] <ssi> but I gotta go
[04:23:42] <XXCoder> and I did only some of it
[04:23:51] <ssi> I'm still sitting at my desk at work; gotta get back down to the airport and stop at walmart to get stuff for the poor cat
[04:24:05] <XXCoder> well hope all go good for ya ssi
[04:24:05] <zeeshan|2> cu!
[04:24:07] <XXCoder> later
[04:24:07] <zeeshan|2> come online more!
[04:24:09] <ssi> and i have to be up at asshole o'clock cause I gotta meet the cause analysis inspector at 10am at the house
[04:24:14] <ssi> and uit's on the other side odf traffic :(
[04:24:21] <ssi> well this is the first access to a computer I've had :)
[04:24:24] <ssi> my desktop is trashed
[04:24:30] <zeeshan|2> ill text u
[04:24:30] <zeeshan|2> :)
[04:24:36] <ssi> feel free :)
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[04:38:08] <CaptHindsight> have to get the name of that insurance co
[04:38:22] <XXCoder> about to have a fire? heh
[04:40:53] <XXCoder> night
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[04:41:36] <CaptHindsight> Laku noć
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[04:42:04] <CaptHindsight> 晚安
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[06:30:44] <Tecan> http://www.xup.to/dl,28803352/TheBlackTheme-v1.tar/ << for gnome or mate
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[07:58:41] <Deejay> moin
[07:58:51] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/mly6pAa.png
[08:00:01] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/pxTFGYK.png
[08:00:18] <Tecan> codeblocks has been updated to save windows like that now too
[08:00:22] <Tecan> awesomeness
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[10:06:57] <Hawku> cox: i figured out the speed limit of my chinese 6040
[10:07:44] <Hawku> i could move 200mm circle with 4000mm/min speed
[10:09:40] <Hawku> motors will stall if i try to stop one axis by hand
[10:11:06] <Hawku> i think that my "M542-05" drivers are just TB6560 drivers in a nice package
[10:11:53] <Hawku> DIP switch settings matches with the TB6560
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[10:19:51] <cox> Hawku: Thanks for the info, Have you gotten th rs485 adapter for your vfd?
[10:21:51] <cox> Hawku: I have problems with mine, only receiving ox00 whatever i send to the drive. Also when i messure the voltage on the 485 line on the adapter i get 0,1v when i messure on vfd 485 i get close to 5v
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[10:23:58] <Hawku> i got the USB<->RS485 adapter
[10:24:40] <Hawku> it works, but my cable is bad
[10:24:56] <Hawku> i just twisted two thin cables together :)
[10:25:16] <Hawku> i lose the signal when i start the water pump
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[10:28:07] <cox> Hawku: Did you twist them tight
[10:28:28] <Hawku> yes
[10:29:44] <cox> Hawku: what speed do you run on 9600, 19200 etc.
[10:29:48] <Hawku> 19200
[10:29:56] <Hawku> 8E1
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[10:30:55] <cox> Hawku: i read somewhere that the parity option was not always working good. You might try 8N1
[10:31:48] <Hawku> oh, ok
[10:32:15] <Hawku> it does work without problems, when the water pump isn't running
[10:32:47] <cox> Hawku: Is your pump and coms cables running close together
[10:33:07] <Hawku> water pump is about 30cm from the VFD
[10:33:32] <Hawku> the water pump causes lot of electrical noise
[10:34:15] <cox> How are the cables run are they running paralell close together
[10:34:25] <Hawku> no
[10:35:40] <cox> Hawku: Could you take a picture of your setup?
[10:36:30] <syyl_> first video where i try talking while showing something..
[10:36:31] <syyl_> http://youtu.be/MXRMmeRd1pc
[10:36:52] <syyl_> honest opinions? like "stop it!"?
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[10:40:06] <Hawku> cox: wait, i have some old picture somewhere
[10:40:21] <archivist> background noises, muttering at a distance....
[10:41:52] <Hawku> cox: http://hwk.fi/cnc/old_setup.jpg
[10:43:00] <Hawku> cox: you can see the water pump in the bottom right corner, it is about 40-50cm higher now
[10:43:17] <syyl_ws> thats why i ask archivist :)
[10:43:31] <cox> Hawku: Is it a dc pump, powered from the controllerbox?
[10:43:53] <Hawku> yes
[10:43:55] <syyl_ws> is the english very horrible to listen or should i stay with text only?
[10:44:43] <Hawku> cox: sharing the 24V power supply with the stepper drivers
[10:46:46] <cox> Hawku: I do not like that, get a seperat suply for the pump or install a capasitor out from the powersyply
[10:47:01] <Hawku> yeah
[10:47:03] <gonzo__> earth loops/drops?
[10:47:12] <Hawku> i have some 24V power bricks laying around somewhere
[10:47:33] <cox> syyl_ws: English is fine, Please continue.
[10:48:17] <cox> Hawku: Try it
[10:48:55] <archivist> syyl_, mutch->much
[10:50:06] <cox> Hawku: Could you messure the dc voltage on th 485 end when it is not connected to the vfd, also the vfd end. It might help me in my faultfindig
[10:51:21] <Hawku> i have oscilloscope, but haven't measured it yet
[10:51:32] <Hawku> a*
[10:51:41] <Hawku> an*
[10:53:02] <syyl_ws> hm
[10:53:20] <syyl_ws> the mu*t*ch happens just
[10:53:25] <syyl_ws> try to get it away
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[10:53:57] <syyl_ws> thank you
[10:54:05] <syyl_ws> at least your ears dont seem to bleed ;)
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[11:21:08] <archivist> I had ear defenders on :)
[11:22:04] <archivist> you had the camera on something steady and no um and er while speaking
[11:28:17] <syyl_ws> ;)
[11:28:43] <syyl_ws> ok, i will try to reduce the muttering from distance
[11:29:35] <syyl_ws> and i cut abound 200 no-um-er out of the video ;)
[11:29:55] <syyl_ws> and the cussing
[11:30:14] <syyl_ws> german cussing in an english video ;)
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[12:01:09] <_methods> http://choosemypc.net/
[12:01:17] <_methods> hah that thing is kinda cool
[12:02:50] <_methods> guess it's only for gaming pc's
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[12:29:59] <skunkworks> Connor, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzQXqge-NLs
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[12:36:25] <XXCoder> _methods: nice link
[12:36:27] <XXCoder> thanks
[12:36:36] <XXCoder> I might part one in. I need new pc
[12:38:43] <_methods> yeah i don't think it's suggesting the greatest build
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[12:38:58] <XXCoder> im not a gamer so its fine
[12:39:01] <_methods> yeah
[12:39:15] <XXCoder> I would swap video card for cheaper one but otherwise
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[12:39:40] <_methods> good for giving your "friends" a diy suggestion without having to be the fall guy every time something goes wrong with a build you help them pick
[12:40:20] <XXCoder> $660 is good one
[12:40:24] <_methods> i never help anyone build computers anymore cause of that
[12:40:31] <XXCoder> video is nice but not holy fuck nice
[12:40:49] <_methods> callin me at midnight asking my why bejeweled isn't running right lol
[12:40:56] <XXCoder> lol
[12:42:44] <archivist> same problem is you are a TV repair man .... grmble
[12:42:52] <archivist> I refused
[12:43:08] <XXCoder> I used to earn little money fixing people pcs
[12:43:14] <XXCoder> too little money so fuk it
[12:43:16] <jdh> time sink
[12:43:16] <_methods> it's never worth it
[12:43:44] <_methods> "where'd all my pictures of foofoo go"
[12:43:55] <_methods> "i told you i was going to wipe it"
[12:43:57] <XXCoder> nobody fault this time, most deaf is just too poor. deaf averages 80% unemployment
[12:44:06] <XXCoder> not because deaf is slackers either
[12:44:32] <_methods> i love it when they ask me what their passwords are
[12:44:39] <XXCoder> lol
[12:44:43] <_methods> like how the hell am i supposed to know your passwords
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[12:52:56] <skunkworks> we fix computers here at work for employees.. It actually keeps us up on what nasties are going around.
[12:54:15] <_methods> i have a scorched earth policy
[12:54:29] <_methods> if i think anything funny is happening its a wipe and reinstall
[12:54:33] <skunkworks> that is usually the last resort.. maybe 20% are that bad
[12:54:57] <jdh> where bad == takes more than 15 mins ot fix
[12:55:30] <_methods> thanks'
[12:55:32] <_methods> oops
[12:55:34] <skunkworks> heh
[12:55:43] <_methods> thanks to vm's now i rarely get anything
[12:55:58] <_methods> if i have to go to some dodgy site for something i do it with a vm
[12:56:12] <_methods> or if i'm just testing a program out or something
[12:56:18] <_methods> no need to mess up my real install
[12:56:25] <_methods> just fire up a vm and test it out
[12:57:51] <skunkworks> we don't babysit them. run combofix - walk away. Run random utility - walk away..
[12:58:26] <_methods> wow that combofix is still used eh
[12:58:33] <skunkworks> yes
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[12:59:16] <_methods> now i always install all my core stuff and updates then make an image
[12:59:28] <_methods> takes me 15min to be back to brand new
[13:00:34] <_methods> i just got a new 1tb ssd that i need to put in and move over too
[13:00:58] <_methods> so i'll be using that image once i get off my ass and do it
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[13:08:16] <Tanz> _methods: how you been?
[13:08:42] <_methods> kinda scared i wouldn't have a job before xmas
[13:08:50] <_methods> but we just got a big P.O.
[13:08:57] <_methods> so better now lol
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[13:09:21] <Tanz> man I hate that
[13:09:23] <_methods> yeah
[13:09:59] <Tanz> so not on the maker sight now
[13:10:26] <_methods> ah nah i haven't been in there in ages
[13:10:45] <Tanz> had to ask ryan where you went
[13:11:40] <Tanz> how hard is it to 24v ramps?
[13:11:43] <_methods> i was hangin around till they got their laser so i could see how it was
[13:11:58] <Tanz> ohok
[13:12:07] <_methods> it's not bad if you get the right ramps board with the right caps on it
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[13:12:54] <Tanz> I want one the one that I have has 35v caps
[13:12:58] <_methods> or if you can solder smd stuff you can just get any ramps and put the good ones on
[13:13:10] <Tanz> one I have
[13:13:11] <_methods> yeah you should be good then
[13:13:20] <_methods> i had to replace the mosfets with better ones
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[13:13:42] <Tanz> I can solder good
[13:13:58] <_methods> you should be fine then there are several write ups for how to run 24v on it
[13:14:17] <_methods> http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?219,196602
[13:16:04] <Tanz> look how cheap these have got it will sale for this bid http://www.ebay.com/itm/321563761918?_trksid=p2060778.m1431.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[13:16:41] <_methods> yeah those are good little drivers
[13:16:57] <_methods> they'll do up to 2A with no cooling
[13:17:18] <_methods> says 1.5A
[13:17:26] <_methods> but i've run them at 2 with no cooling
[13:17:37] <Tanz> cool
[13:18:29] <_methods> https://www.intelpentium4litigation.com/
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[13:19:03] <_methods> $15
[13:19:11] <Tanz> I seen this right up and was thinking WTF http://rigidtalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Modifying_a_RAMPS_1.4_board
[13:19:16] <_methods> i know someone in here had a p4 then lol
[13:19:27] <Tanz> I got one of them
[13:21:53] <_methods> Who gets paid?
[13:21:54] <_methods> Intel agrees to allow people to establish Class membership under a reduced standard of proof for the limited purpose of paying claims. In other words, all Class Members are eligible to get paid upon completion and submission of a valid claim form. Class Members are not required to submit a proof of purchase or any other physical or documentary evidence, but they are required to sign the claim form under penalty of perjury that to the best of their recol
[13:22:02] <_methods> heheh
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[13:24:58] <Tanz> yea for $15 not worth the trouble
[13:25:10] <CaptHindsight> didn't they offer anyone that wanted the "fixed" version floating point P4 a free swap back then?
[13:28:43] <pcw_home> I never had one, ISTR that a 1 GHz P3 would outrun a 2 GHz P4
[13:29:11] <_methods> i was an amd junkie back then
[13:29:20] <_methods> Tbird FTW
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[13:31:32] <Tanz> _methods: have you ever ran 24v on ramps?
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[13:32:03] <_methods> yeah i have mine set up for 24v
[13:32:48] <Tanz> OK I going down that road
[13:33:05] <Tanz> what should I look out for?
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[13:33:34] <_methods> this is not the room for this
[13:33:52] <_methods> i haven't looked at my 3d printer in like 8 months lol
[13:34:00] <_methods> it's a 24v dust collector
[13:34:36] <_methods> i'm sure plenty of people in makers or reprap would be more knowledgeable than i am anyways
[13:35:20] <Tanz> OK OK one more thing how do you power Arduino
[13:35:56] <_methods> i have a dc stepdown and made a 12v rail for all my 12v wtuff
[13:36:00] <_methods> *stuff
[13:36:20] <_methods> fans, arduino, lights
[13:36:27] <Tanz> K thanks
[13:36:30] <_methods> np
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[13:41:33] <Tanz> As far as makers goes I am a DIY guy asking ?? and not buying long story short I was asked no to ask:-(
[13:41:59] <Tanz> Not to ask
[13:42:38] <_methods> so much for open source eh lol
[13:42:52] <_methods> only open as long as your wallet is
[13:42:55] <Tanz> Right
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[13:46:16] <Tanz> OK _ methods got to run will chat latter
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[15:02:00] <lair82> Hello Guys, am I the only that is not getting emails from the forum, or is it not sending them to anyone?
[15:03:08] <archivist> forum is picky about user addresses due to spammers
[15:05:41] <lair82> I have never had a problem before, it looks like maybe the last week it hasn't been working properly.
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[16:46:47] <jthornton> I get emails from the forum
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[17:25:18] <PetefromTn_> God I would love to smack the crap out of whoever owned this CNC lathe before me....
[17:25:47] <skunkworks> chisles and hammers?
[17:26:20] <PetefromTn_> naah more like an idiot with a caulking gun
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[17:29:16] <PetefromTn_> The machine has a chip cleanout tilt out panel on the front of the enclosure
[17:29:22] <PetefromTn_> It has a piano hinge on it
[17:29:35] <PetefromTn_> and I am sure at some point it had a nice rubber seal or something.
[17:29:53] <PetefromTn_> Technically the coolant should never get high enough to go over the ledge of this opening
[17:30:28] <PetefromTn_> But probably the assholes were too lazy to keep it cleaned out and just kept running parts until the coolant started pouring over the edge into the piano hinge.
[17:30:51] <CaptHindsight> evry machine I've ever gotten has been touched by someone that shouldn't have worked on it
[17:31:12] <CaptHindsight> from a simple belt sander to 10 ton VMC
[17:31:15] <PetefromTn_> So instead of cleaning it out and refreshing the coolant like you should they just grabbed a caulking gun and sprayed the piss out of the piano hinge and basically glued the fuckin' door shut LOL
[17:31:56] <PetefromTn_> SO now I get to try to scrape and cut that goo out of there and try to make the door functional again.
[17:32:14] <PetefromTn_> So far that is the worst thing I have found so I guess I should count myself lucky here heh
[17:32:27] <PetefromTn_> I have been scrubbing and cleaning the whole damn machine here
[17:32:41] <PetefromTn_> Also stripping sheetmetal so I can respray it
[17:33:00] <PetefromTn_> the base casting was apparently an attractive light gray color that I am kinda liking.
[17:33:32] <PetefromTn_> I may spray the casting that same color and then spray the rest of the sheetmetal white or a light light gray almost white color.
[17:33:41] <CaptHindsight> yeah could be worse, you could find out the reason the door was caulked shut was that the trough leaked into the controls nearby causing it to make the frame of the machine hot when on
[17:34:08] <PetefromTn_> This will give me shit to do while I try to scrape together the cash to retrofit this beast.
[17:34:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah right... Actually thankfully all the electronics are in the rear or the left side of the headstock
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[17:35:03] <PetefromTn_> The Z motor cables actually go thru the base of the headstock casting
[17:35:21] <PetefromTn_> to the back of the machine and into the electronics enclosure.
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[17:35:36] <CaptHindsight> I really enjoy it when they use neutral for ground and then snip the ground pin off the plug so that the machine frame is now hot
[17:35:52] <PetefromTn_> They stole the pendant and arm off of it so I am going to have to fab one up.
[17:36:09] <PetefromTn_> Not a big deal and there are some really heavy duty mounts on there for where the old arm mounted.
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[17:36:26] <PetefromTn_> The factory pendant looked like a PC from 1960 so I am okay with that actually.
[17:36:48] <PetefromTn_> I will probably make a much nicer more modern looking cabinet and mount it on top of that arm with some kinda swivel.
[17:37:49] <PetefromTn_> I am thinking of tieing the original mount near the bottom left of the base to another custom made mount that is a large diameter hollow tube that will go to the rear electronics cabinet so I can run the cabling up top out of the shit and hidden in the tubing to the rear of the machine.
[17:38:05] <PetefromTn_> That way I can make the two mounting points the pivot points
[17:38:14] <skunkworks> going with mach4?
[17:38:23] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah I LOVE running a machine and shocking the shit out of myself capn'
[17:38:30] <PetefromTn_> BAAH yeah right..
[17:38:48] <PetefromTn_> Yeah MACH and me parted ways forever I think...
[17:39:23] <PetefromTn_> skunkie you got a CNC lathe retrofit?
[17:40:45] <skunkworks> I have a cincinati that needs to be converted.. otherwise a few manuals
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[17:41:07] <skunkworks> well - we do have an emco compact 5 that we tineker with
[17:41:11] <skunkworks> running linuxcnc
[17:41:25] <PetefromTn_> is that the LITTLE Emco or the turning center
[17:41:36] <skunkworks> little - school trainer
[17:41:42] <PetefromTn_> and what Cincinatti?
[17:42:21] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cincinnatimi/cinclathe.JPG
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[17:42:27] <skunkworks> old - 73ish I think
[17:42:48] <PetefromTn_> Damn that looks beefy..
[17:42:57] <PetefromTn_> Get that monster running!!
[17:43:00] <skunkworks> 50hp spindle..
[17:43:14] <PetefromTn_> HOLY CRAP!!
[17:43:29] <PetefromTn_> and I thought 7.5 was doing good on my lathe LOL
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[17:43:59] <PetefromTn_> that is why I went with the machine I have here mostly because I want to be able to run single phase and fit in the shop without taking up tons of room.
[17:44:26] <PetefromTn_> This machine should do basically everything I want from it. Especially once I adapt one of those turret toolchangers to it after awhile.
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[17:44:51] <skunkworks> what is it?
[17:45:00] <PetefromTn_> what is what?
[17:45:15] <skunkworks> the lathe you got
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[17:46:21] <PetefromTn_> http://www.hhrobertsmachinery.com/used-cnc-lathes/Standard-Modern-CNC-Lathe-Brochure.pdf Standard Modern HH roberts 14x40
[17:46:49] <PetefromTn_> 1997 model
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[17:46:53] <skunkworks> neat!
[17:47:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah It is not that pretty right now but it will be...LOL
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[17:52:10] <Connor> which do you have ?14x40 ?
[17:52:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[17:52:36] <Connor> So, it has the 1.56" not the 2" through hole
[17:52:44] <Connor> and 5HP vs 7.5HP ?
[17:52:48] <PetefromTn_> it came with the 7.5HP motor apparently but I am probably going to get a 5 HP motor
[17:53:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah it does not have the larger spindle bore unfortunately.
[17:53:11] <Connor> That's odd.. you would think the 7.5HP would have come with the 2" through hole..
[17:53:21] <Connor> and 1.56 with 5HP
[17:53:31] <PetefromTn_> well I have not measured it yet but it looks that way
[17:53:51] <Connor> I would measure it. :)
[17:54:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is not a big deal. This bed is pretty long so If it won't fit thru I will just turn it between centers LOL
[17:54:52] <skunkworks> is it servos or steppers?
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[17:55:00] <PetefromTn_> AC servos I think.
[17:55:08] <skunkworks> heh - I should read
[17:55:21] <PetefromTn_> the X motor is really large have to take it off to see what it actually is.
[17:56:34] <PetefromTn_> overall It looks like a really nice heavy built machine it's just dirty as hell with caked on chips and grease almost everywhere LOL
[17:56:58] <PetefromTn_> It must have been a really sweet lathe when it was brand new
[17:57:11] <PetefromTn_> I am going to try to make it look and work as new as I possibly can.
[17:57:26] <PetefromTn_> Connor you should come down and see it ;)
[17:57:46] <Connor> PetefromTn_: When I do, I'll be bringing a lot of stuff to work on. :)
[17:57:58] <PetefromTn_> works for me
[17:58:29] <PetefromTn_> that simple green degreaser seems to work great at breaking down the sludge.
[17:58:56] <PetefromTn_> Once it is all cleaned up I will start working on painting it up and then I will start with the electronics.
[17:59:40] <PetefromTn_> I am going to send the Mesa 7i77 board back to Pete today I think. Got a couple rails to ship out I machined for customers to ship too.
[18:00:26] <PetefromTn_> The tailstock is pretty beefy but the quill is kinda stiff to turn.
[18:00:30] <skunkworks> do you know what the feedback is yet? resovers? encoders?
[18:00:36] <PetefromTn_> It is probably all gunked up inside
[18:00:58] <PetefromTn_> I don't really know jack about it. I just got it here the other night
[18:01:08] <PetefromTn_> been cleaning up the shop and cleaning the machine ever since.
[18:01:43] <Connor> The spindle encoder / resolver would be easy enough to change out if needed.
[18:01:59] <Connor> the X servo has me concerned.. not knowing anything about it.
[18:01:59] <PetefromTn_> it actually has a nice belt driven spindle encoder
[18:02:05] <PetefromTn_> no idea what it is yet.
[18:02:15] <Connor> Right, Could be a resolver.
[18:02:36] <PetefromTn_> that brochure says it has CSM motors whatever that means.
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[18:03:56] <PetefromTn_> I doubt the spindle encoder is a resolver
[18:04:19] <PetefromTn_> again no idea about the X motor
[18:04:35] <PetefromTn_> It has a single harness coming out of it.
[18:04:57] <PetefromTn_> Lemme see if I can find a nameplate on it.
[18:05:03] <PetefromTn_> Need to find my mirror
[18:05:05] <PetefromTn_> BRB
[18:19:18] <PetefromTn_> Okay I found a nameplate
[18:19:39] <PetefromTn_> It says Custom Servo Motors Inc.
[18:19:46] <PetefromTn_> Made in Minnesota
[18:20:05] <PetefromTn_> I just called them and they are going to get back to me with the specifics of the motor
[18:20:37] <PetefromTn_> The part number is MPM892FRM-700
[18:20:46] <PetefromTn_> Googled it but not much infor
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[18:33:45] <skunkworks> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.soelma.it/mpm89_230.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMPM892FRM%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D0PD%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26channel%3Dsb
[18:35:32] <Connor> Doesn't tell you anything about the encoder.
[18:44:12] <PetefromTn_> Okay just got off the phone with Parker who apparently now owns the CSM company
[18:44:21] <PetefromTn_> the fellow looked up the model number for me
[18:44:50] <PetefromTn_> Apparently the motors are propreitary as is the information on them but when I told him I was retrofitting an older machine he agreed to send me the info.
[18:44:52] <Connor> WOW. You talked to the owner?
[18:45:02] <PetefromTn_> no just an engineer
[18:45:26] <PetefromTn_> Apparently it is a DC servomotor with a resolver feedback.
[18:45:32] <Connor> OKay.. NM.. I see what you said.. Was misreading Parker as the guy on the phone.. not as a another company
[18:45:50] <PetefromTn_> 1.05 HP .78 KW
[18:46:06] <PetefromTn_> 3000RPM
[18:46:17] <Connor> Look at that link skunkworks posted.
[18:46:34] <Connor> MPM892FRM - B
[18:47:22] <PetefromTn_> 111 Inch pounds 12.6 NM
[18:47:49] <PetefromTn_> 13.6 Amos
[18:47:50] <PetefromTn_> amps
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[18:48:18] <PetefromTn_> so no earthly idea what kind of drive would run it.
[18:48:34] <PetefromTn_> I may just have to sell it on the bay and get some new motors for both axes.
[18:48:54] <PetefromTn_> have no experience with DC servos with resolvers
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[18:50:01] <Connor> You might want to see about trying to find out the pitch of the original Z screw and the servo specifications (RPM and torque) for it.
[18:51:28] <Connor> What is Speed torque?
[18:51:35] <Connor> it's rated at 2400 RPM
[18:52:13] <PetefromTn_> I just forwarded that information to you. Gotta go pickup my kids at school. Be back in a few.
[18:52:24] <PCW> Thats brushless
[18:52:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah brushless DC with resolver
[18:52:49] <PetefromTn_> apparently
[18:52:59] <PetefromTn_> BRB
[18:53:30] <PCW> so AC servo
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[19:01:52] <PetefromTn_> Okay just got back
[19:02:13] <PetefromTn_> actually I asked him and he said its just a servomotor
[19:02:20] <Connor> from picking up your kids ?
[19:02:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[19:02:31] <PetefromTn_> the shool is close enough to walk to
[19:02:36] <PetefromTn_> but I drive LOL
[19:02:54] <Connor> I wondered why you had to pick them up..
[19:03:44] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/MdKU1Vj.jpg
[19:04:20] <Connor> Gee thanks.. It's upside down.
[19:04:32] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/quANky1.gif
[19:04:34] <PetefromTn_> oops sorry
[19:04:36] <PetefromTn_> hang on
[19:04:43] <Connor> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QJL3g_TmpV0/VE9wnlChNHI/AAAAAAAAAMU/-q42ekAr07g/w952-h714-no/2014%2B-%2B1
[19:06:09] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/gLLkZ5e.jpg
[19:06:26] <PetefromTn_> WTF is that?
[19:06:42] <Connor> micro laser etcher apparently.
[19:06:50] <Connor> S/N 124 ?
[19:07:03] <Connor> Wonder what D/C is..
[19:07:06] <Connor> not voltage..
[19:08:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah apparently not
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[19:08:24] <PetefromTn_> KE is 76.4
[19:08:47] <PetefromTn_> Their brochure says AC servos so WTF?
[19:09:12] <PCW> D/C is date code
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[19:17:45] <PetefromTn_> well it looks like 750 watt servos at 3k RPM is what I need for the machine.
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[19:18:52] <MrHindsight> Connor: where did you find that laser pic?
[19:19:52] <MrHindsight> it's using those $2 mini-steppers with screws from China
[19:20:50] <jdh> that's some pitch
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[19:22:03] <PetefromTn_> 12.6NM is 1784 Oz IN. right?
[19:22:13] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5pcs-mini-stepper-motor-H10-36N-with-screw-rod-camera-focusing-motor-/300939034092
[19:23:06] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-of-24x-2-phase-4-wires-mini-stepper-motors-DC-4-6V-cnc-/281435357456
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[19:24:58] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: http://www.convertunits.com/from/N-m/to/oz-in
[19:25:26] <MrHindsight> 1784.3103467028002 :)
[19:25:35] <PetefromTn_> yup thanks
[19:25:57] <PetefromTn_> I need to find some low cost 750 watt servos and drives for this beast now.
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[19:36:30] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: new or used?
[19:36:52] <PetefromTn_> hell whatever
[19:36:58] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: what Nema size?
[19:36:58] <jdh> parker will be happy to sell you some.
[19:37:13] <PetefromTn_> wish I knew just emailed them about that.
[19:37:20] <PetefromTn_> I can measure it tho. Standby
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[19:42:23] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: do you want AC servos with 12.6Nm? or are those numbers for something else?
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[19:44:24] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parker-N0342ERMSG10-Servo-Gearmotor-9-14V-3-05A-0-72kW-7500RPM-NEMA-34-/330885006162 or similar without the gearbox?
[19:45:16] <Connor> MrHindsight: On my Google+ Feed
[19:45:39] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parker-N0921FR-KMSN-Brushless-Servo-Motor-7500RPM-950W-14mm-OD-NEMA-34-/310858884782
[19:46:37] <MrHindsight> Connor: it looked interesting until I saw the tell tail maker woodgrain :)
[19:48:35] <Connor> Yea. kinda cute.. not sure what practical use it has.
[19:51:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have no need for a 7500 RPM servomotor. its 750 watt 3000 RPM about 12.6 NM
[19:51:35] <PetefromTn_> http://www.hzmgdj.com.cn/product/500633188-213231115/textile_machine_parts_90mm_750w_3000rpm.html
[19:51:40] <PetefromTn_> something like that would work.
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[20:24:47] <cpresser> how do I load drivers for the 6i25 with the linuxcnc-uspace?
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[20:25:37] <cradek> do you mean load firmware into it?
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[20:26:26] <cpresser> nope, the kernel-module
[20:26:39] <cradek> there are no kernel modules in a uspace setup
[20:27:19] <cpresser> okay.. how do i make it visible in halrun?
[20:27:25] <cpresser> which component do i need to load?
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[20:29:26] <cradek> you load hostmot2 and hm2_pci just like in rtai-land
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[20:29:58] <cradek> I think that's all it takes to make it show up
[20:30:08] <cpresser> unfortunately, that gives me errors...
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[20:30:29] <cpresser> http://nopaste.info/96caa025a8.html
[20:30:54] <cpresser> nevermind.. ill try as user, not as root...
[20:31:00] <cpresser> i need to learn to read :/
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[20:34:05] <cpresser> thanks anyway... i might be back with more questions later
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[21:03:07] <JT-Shop> wow I have a set of dies for 1 1/2" square tube too http://gnipsel.com/images/Huth-HB-10/square%20bend%2001.jpg
[21:05:33] <Tom_itx> nice
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[21:07:40] <JT-Shop> yea, bends it nice
[21:08:57] <JT-Shop> it can bend up to 2 1/2" square tube and 3" round tube
[21:09:04] <Tom_itx> hydraulic?
[21:09:20] <Tom_itx> or grunt?
[21:09:33] <JT-Shop> hydraulic
[21:10:23] <JT-Shop> I've been using a home made one for years
[21:11:56] <Tom_itx> nice
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[21:13:12] <PetefromTn_> Well it looks like the motors on the lathe are actually just strong nema 34 models. They are kinda bastard ones with a half inch shaft tho. The machine has a 1-1 belt drive on both axes so I can probably put any sort of motor I want on there as long as it is similar power.
[21:14:27] <JT-Shop> what kind of lathe?
[21:14:29] <PetefromTn_> So that is good news it means I am not tied to anything terribly expensive.
[21:15:42] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, I added a couple of images of the bender
[21:15:46] <PetefromTn_> its my new to me Standard Modern HH Roberts 14x40.... http://www.hhrobertsmachinery.com/used-cnc-lathes/Standard-Modern-CNC-Lathe-Brochure.pdf
[21:15:58] <JT-Shop> what's the secrect code to make a web page refresh?
[21:16:21] <PetefromTn_> Just got it moved over here the other day and put it in it's new position in the shop yesterday.
[21:16:34] <JT-Shop> I had an anilam 1100M on the knee mill
[21:16:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah fortunately there is nothing left of the control.
[21:17:17] <PetefromTn_> it has an X axis motor that is a 750 watt nema 34 brushless DC with resolver.
[21:17:17] <JT-Shop> lol yea you don't want to fool with that
[21:17:37] <PetefromTn_> I am going to probably pop it on the bay and try to sell it and get all brand new motors and drives for X and Z.
[21:17:48] <PetefromTn_> LINUXCNC BABY!!
[21:18:37] <PetefromTn_> RIght now I am just tryinig to clean years of gunk and caked on chips from the chip trays inside the enclosure and figure out what is what.
[21:18:53] <PetefromTn_> It does have some nice limit and homes for X and Z that I will reuse
[21:19:27] <PetefromTn_> they removed the coolant sump so I will probably get something rubbermaid to stick in its place in the tailstock end compartment.
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[21:19:49] <PetefromTn_> So far it looks like a sweet little lathe. Can't wait to see it making chips!!
[21:20:46] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop i see you hired some help
[21:22:22] <Tom_itx> did you make the dies?
[21:23:21] <JT-Shop> no, they came with the bender... they are not in the stock die package so the previous owner added them
[21:23:28] <JT-Shop> as well as lost a few small bits
[21:23:48] <JT-Shop> that's my supervisor
[21:24:04] <Tom_itx> what's the cylinder on the back for?
[21:24:52] <JT-Shop> the perpendicular cylinder is for expanding and other end ops like euro ball joints and flange joints
[21:24:57] <MrSunshine> hmm can you plunge with downspiral router bits ?
[21:25:35] <Tom_itx> MrSunshine are they center cutting?
[21:26:13] <MrSunshine> well i dont know ... but what im thinking is how the heck would they be able to have a cutting edge at the bottom when they are spiraled the wrong way =)
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[21:29:04] <Tom_itx> left hand cutter?
[21:30:05] <MrSunshine> they push the chips downwards
[21:30:16] <Tom_itx> odd
[21:30:37] <MrSunshine> router bits .. to leave good top finnish
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[21:36:29] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I'm confused that link to the textile machine parts 90mm 750w 3000rpm servo is only 2.4Nm Hold and 7.1Nm Peak
[21:38:11] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: do you want a 3000 RPM about 12.6 Nm or ~2.5Nm motor?
[21:39:04] <PCW> original motor is 12.6 NM peak
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[21:58:31] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:06:40] <zeeshan|2> http://www.windows93.net/
[22:06:41] <zeeshan|2> lol
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[22:28:01] <Tom_itx> nasa rocket just exploded
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[22:28:27] <Tom_itx> on launch...
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[22:33:06] <Tecan> ouch
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[22:39:03] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHMmMgdcOSU
[22:39:12] <Loetmichel> *boom it goes*
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[22:49:05] <cpresser> the buildbot package seems to lack the pncconf python module. any hints about that?
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[22:59:26] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight Sorry I had to run out to the Post office to mail some more parts out just got back.
[22:59:39] <PetefromTn_> Yeah the motor on the machine is an odd one.
[23:00:00] <PetefromTn_> Like I said Apparenlty Nema 34 750 watt with resolver feedback.
[23:01:54] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/gLLkZ5e.jpg http://i.imgur.com/quANky1.gif
[23:02:31] <PetefromTn_> So after taking the motor off and seeing how the thing goes together it has a 1-1 belt drive to position the motor directly underneath the cross slide casting
[23:03:01] <PetefromTn_> That basically means I can put about any sort of motor I want on there pretty easily
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[23:03:18] <PetefromTn_> as long as it is adequately powerful and has the 3k speed rating.
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[23:08:34] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: heh just got back from a trip myself
[23:10:05] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: the question is do want 12.6 Nm or ~2.5Nm motor? There is a 5:1 difference in torque
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[23:16:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/GE-Fanuc-105-3000-AC-Servo-Motor-A06B-0317-B074-7008-3000RPM-3PH-12Nm-145V-15A-/181427848170
[23:17:22] <PetefromTn_> Fanuc....no thanks LOL
[23:17:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-Reliance-Electric-F-6100-R-H01AA-Electro-Craft-Servo-Motor-13-Nm-/400551253491
[23:18:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah this is not that big a machine and the motor on it I posted the plate for. The stall torque is 3.4 NM
[23:19:15] <CaptHindsight> ok, I must have mixed up one of your posts
[23:19:22] <PetefromTn_> not sure what the difference is between stall torque and Peak torque but that is 12.6
[23:20:05] <PetefromTn_> that table I got from the manufacturer this afternoon on the phone. It is SUPPOSED to be what the original X motor is.
[23:20:12] <PetefromTn_> Who knows if it is accurate or not.
[23:20:15] <CaptHindsight> peak torque http://www.heidenhain.us/enews/stories/1009_techtb1.php
[23:20:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.motioncontroltips.com/2012/08/24/tips-for-sizing-a-servo-motor/
[23:20:58] <CaptHindsight> Typically Peak torque is 5 to 10 times greater than Continuous torque
[23:21:18] <PetefromTn_> Continuous torque is supposed to be 3.1 NM
[23:21:37] <CaptHindsight> thats the important number
[23:21:54] <PetefromTn_> which is only 438 Oz in.
[23:21:57] <PetefromTn_> pretty small actually
[23:21:58] <CaptHindsight> what peak is varies by manufacturer
[23:22:20] <PetefromTn_> I could probably get away with hobby sized nema 34 motors on this machine LOL
[23:22:41] <PetefromTn_> I would like to find a similar sized AC servo setup
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[23:24:08] <PetefromTn_> The good news is that I have several options for the motors. I am still cleaning the thing right now and I have decided to repaint the machine so I have some time.
[23:25:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-AC-Servo-Motor-Drive-Compete-Set-1-2KW-4Nm-3000rpm-/121154017446
[23:25:49] <CaptHindsight> $680.00
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[23:28:22] <PetefromTn_> actually that 80SY-M02430 model looks very much like what was in the machine only AC servo
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[23:28:35] <PetefromTn_> That is a good price for motor and drive too.
[23:29:36] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-750W-0-75KW-ac-servo-motor-servo-driver-2-39N-M-80ST-80ST-M02430-3000RPM-/161454973914?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25977763da
[23:29:42] <PetefromTn_> Apparently that is the same motor
[23:29:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xinje-1800W-1-8KW-Servo-System-Motor-Drive-MS-110ST-M06030-21P8-DS3-21P8-/111481950226 bigger version for ~$300 more
[23:30:24] <PetefromTn_> Don't need bigger actually need smaller
[23:30:32] <PetefromTn_> Nema 34 750 watt
[23:30:58] <CaptHindsight> they are probably slightly over rated anyway
[23:31:09] <PetefromTn_> probably
[23:31:19] <PetefromTn_> this is not a HUGE lathe really
[23:31:33] <CaptHindsight> whats the swing? 14"
[23:31:33] <PetefromTn_> but it came with 750 watt motors so that is what I want to put back on there.
[23:31:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[23:31:48] <PetefromTn_> actually I measured 15 but who cares ;)
[23:32:48] <CaptHindsight> how's the spindle bearings?
[23:32:55] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFbJdCLjXfI This is a 17" version of the machine I have
[23:33:15] <PetefromTn_> well I have so spindle motor so I don't actually know. But it feels and turns cood by hand
[23:33:21] <PetefromTn_> good
[23:33:59] <CaptHindsight> you mean you haven't taken out your 0.00001" indicator and checked it yet?! :)
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[23:34:16] <CaptHindsight> is your bed as beefy?
[23:34:24] <PetefromTn_> similar
[23:34:47] <PetefromTn_> for a 14x40 it is actually quite stout
[23:34:54] <PetefromTn_> it should be more than I need really
[23:35:01] <CaptHindsight> looks easy to work on
[23:35:08] <PetefromTn_> it should be.
[23:35:29] <PetefromTn_> the enclosure is very nice and it has built in chip and coolant trays
[23:35:50] <PetefromTn_> Should make a nice addition to my shop.
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[23:36:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/STANDARD-MODERN-CNC-LATHE-ANILAM-CONTROL-1200T-/231211492181 big brother
[23:37:00] <PetefromTn_> Yup that looks like it!
[23:37:08] <PetefromTn_> mine is missing some of the sheetmetal
[23:37:26] <PetefromTn_> I got it for a song so I am not complaining
[23:38:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Standard-Modern-14-x36-Metal-Lathe-/161461846522 manual version by the same maker
[23:38:54] <PetefromTn_> Yeah they have been making machines for some time now. Apparently they were bought out by Leblond at some point.
[23:39:05] <PetefromTn_> Some of the later machines had Milltronics controls.
[23:39:34] <PetefromTn_> They were a supplier for the US military according to what I have read and even the guy I bought it from told me that.
[23:39:38] <PetefromTn_> Made in Canada
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[23:40:43] <PetefromTn_> Seems like that anilam control they put on it kinda sucked tho.
[23:43:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-ZL-15sm-CNC-Lathe-5-Axis-Mach-Emc2-Ballscrews-Sub-Spindel-Turret-/111303099086 interesting
[23:43:32] <CaptHindsight> nevermind partially stripped
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[23:47:48] <zeeshan|2> fak
[23:47:52] <zeeshan|2> this guy whos local to me
[23:47:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/IKEGAI-FX25N-CNC-LATHE-/181565763661
[23:48:07] <zeeshan|2> whos got a maho 700 cnc
[23:48:21] <zeeshan|2> i offered him 2500 a long time ago, and he finally got back to me now saying hell take 2500
[23:48:28] <zeeshan|2> this machine is twice as big as mine :(
[23:48:47] <XXCoder> hey
[23:48:50] <PetefromTn_> I hear those IKegai lathes are nice..
[23:48:52] <CaptHindsight> you don't have the space or power
[23:49:03] <zeeshan|2> well its not that much bigger
[23:49:09] <zeeshan|2> the thing is its 700mm x 500 x 450
[23:49:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maho-Model-MH-C700-CNC-Milling-Machine-/261309833696
[23:49:15] <zeeshan|2> mine is 400 x 400 x 400
[23:49:23] <zeeshan|2> yes that baby
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[23:49:40] <CaptHindsight> Murphys Law
[23:49:41] <zeeshan|2> its got a lot more x axis travel
[23:49:54] <zeeshan|2> bah
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[23:50:00] <CaptHindsight> as soon as you throw it away, sell it or break it
[23:50:07] <CaptHindsight> or buy a different one
[23:50:16] <zeeshan|2> it also has a rotary table
[23:50:16] <zeeshan|2> on it
[23:50:18] <zeeshan|2> 4th axis
[23:50:27] <zeeshan|2> i wish he got back to me a long time ago
[23:50:28] <zeeshan|2> :/
[23:50:34] <CaptHindsight> buy it
[23:50:42] <CaptHindsight> sell your current project
[23:50:49] <zeeshan|2> i cant
[23:50:50] <zeeshan|2> no one will buy it
[23:50:53] <zeeshan|2> cause its in pieces
[23:51:00] <zeeshan|2> and i dont have the space like u said to store 2 mills
[23:51:14] <CaptHindsight> you'll be done in no time :)
[23:51:18] <zeeshan|2> im going to cry about it
[23:51:20] <zeeshan|2> and move on
[23:51:20] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[23:51:26] <CaptHindsight> heh
[23:51:55] <CaptHindsight> I find lots of deal in the late winter
[23:52:07] <zeeshan|2> hey maybe he'll sell me his tooling?
[23:52:22] <CaptHindsight> if they didn't get rid of it before the holidays they dump it as soon as the weather breaks
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