#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-09-29

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[00:56:59] <XXCoder> random thought
[00:57:08] <XXCoder> makebot Replicator 3D Printer
[00:57:18] <XXCoder> wonder if its possible to make it work with linuxcnc
[01:02:30] <ssi> it is
[01:02:34] <ssi> not worth it though, in my opinion
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[01:03:40] <ssi> pete
[01:03:47] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah
[01:03:58] <zeeshan|2> SSI
[01:04:02] <ssi> hi
[01:04:16] <zeeshan|2> sup
[01:04:20] <zeeshan|2> i just washed the car
[01:04:21] <zeeshan|2> and waxed
[01:04:23] <zeeshan|2> took forever
[01:04:28] <PetefromTn_andro> Hey how was sailing?
[01:05:04] <zeeshan|2> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Naval+Amphibious+Base+Coronado/@32.676156,-117.157152,436m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x80d9532810e696df:0x8377877a0e4f0033?hl=en
[01:05:06] <zeeshan|2> note anything? :)
[01:05:07] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[01:05:30] <ssi> PetefromTn_andro: great
[01:05:34] <ssi> the regattas are so much fun
[01:05:43] <PetefromTn_andro> I'm sure.
[01:05:55] <ssi> zeeshan|2: lol
[01:05:58] <PetefromTn_andro> I miss my nacra cat
[01:06:26] <ssi> skipper of my boat today was impressed with me; asked if I'd like to come be crew on his boat in the wednesday night regattas
[01:06:30] <ssi> as jib trim
[01:06:46] <ssi> the wed night ones are the srs bzns, super competetive ones
[01:06:52] <zeeshan|2> isnt sailing
[01:06:57] <zeeshan|2> when you sit on your ass
[01:06:59] <zeeshan|2> and drink a beer?
[01:07:02] <zeeshan|2> in the water? :D
[01:07:02] <ssi> no, that's fishing
[01:07:05] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:07:07] <zeeshan|2> im kidding man
[01:07:18] <ssi> sailing is where you work your ass off to try to go 8 mph
[01:07:22] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[01:07:44] <zeeshan|2> im going to get a fanuc / abb robot
[01:07:52] <zeeshan|2> and retrofit it to run with linuxcnc
[01:07:58] <zeeshan|2> and it's going to wash and wax my car
[01:08:01] <ssi> good plan
[01:08:11] <zeeshan|2> do online programming
[01:08:13] <ssi> the guy that's selling me my VMC has an adorable little SCARA arm robot
[01:08:18] <ssi> I kinda want it
[01:08:22] <zeeshan|2> scara = pick and place?
[01:08:24] <ssi> ya
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[01:08:40] <zeeshan|2> see as long as it can have good reach
[01:08:55] <zeeshan|2> and you put it on wheels
[01:08:59] <ssi> this one's teeny
[01:09:07] <ssi> has probably an 8x8x6" envelope
[01:09:13] <ssi> in an 8020 enclosure
[01:09:57] <ssi> kinda like this
[01:09:57] <ssi> http://electronicsmaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Sameer-Gandhi.MD_.OMRON-Automation-India-showcasing-the-SCARA-Robot-at-OMRON-booth-at-PackPlus-2014.jpg
[01:10:15] <zeeshan|2> that guy looks serious business
[01:10:44] <zeeshan|2> ssi
[01:10:47] <zeeshan|2> help me decide wtf to do
[01:10:58] <zeeshan|2> you're the only one who i know who has literally a hosue full of machines
[01:11:02] <ssi> haha
[01:11:03] <zeeshan|2> do you have your air compressor in the basement?
[01:11:04] <ssi> yes
[01:11:08] <zeeshan|2> oil type
[01:11:10] <zeeshan|2> or teflon piston
[01:11:11] <ssi> yes
[01:11:13] <ssi> oiled
[01:11:21] <zeeshan|2> did you throw the dryer down there too?
[01:11:22] <ssi> it's a 5hp single stage IR compressor
[01:11:25] <ssi> 60 gallon, 18.3cfm
[01:11:30] <zeeshan|2> thats a beast
[01:11:33] <ssi> yes, dryer is next to it
[01:11:34] <zeeshan|2> how the heck did you get it down there?
[01:11:40] <ssi> well my basement is actually ground level
[01:11:45] <zeeshan|2> oh
[01:11:58] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/sMHhQCS.jpg
[01:11:59] <ssi> the garage is ground level, basement is alongside it, cut into the hill
[01:12:02] <ssi> and the house is above
[01:12:02] <zeeshan|2> see the air blast cabinet?
[01:12:04] <zeeshan|2> and hydraulic press?
[01:12:11] <zeeshan|2> i think those should go in the basement too
[01:12:15] <ssi> yes
[01:12:26] <zeeshan|2> then the tool boxes can go where the blast cabinet is
[01:12:26] <ssi> you know what will help?
[01:12:28] <zeeshan|2> what?
[01:12:33] <ssi> get that bullshit car out of there
[01:12:34] <ssi> :D
[01:12:36] <zeeshan|2> haha no
[01:12:43] <zeeshan|2> its worth more than all my tools
[01:12:43] <ssi> garages aren't for cars
[01:12:45] <ssi> they're for machines
[01:12:49] <ssi> cars can live outside
[01:12:59] <zeeshan|2> honestly, if i hadnt painte dit
[01:13:00] <zeeshan|2> i wouldnt care
[01:13:07] <zeeshan|2> but i spent over a year doing body work
[01:13:08] <zeeshan|2> and painting it
[01:13:13] <ssi> well that was a mistake!
[01:13:17] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:13:24] <zeeshan|2> so okay those things go in the basement
[01:13:25] <zeeshan|2> then
[01:13:42] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/f9Agmon.jpg
[01:13:45] <zeeshan|2> those compressors go in the basement
[01:13:52] <zeeshan|2> and then i move that multidrawer tool cabinet
[01:14:00] <zeeshan|2> where the compressors are
[01:14:12] <zeeshan|2> and ill put a grinder im picking up on top of it
[01:14:14] <ssi> send me the dryer
[01:14:17] <ssi> so I can put it at the airport
[01:14:19] <ssi> get it out of your way
[01:14:20] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:14:23] <zeeshan|2> never!
[01:14:32] <ssi> why two compressors?
[01:14:42] <zeeshan|2> ones sentimental value
[01:14:42] <zeeshan|2> =/
[01:14:48] <ssi> ah
[01:15:23] <zeeshan|2> the guy sent me dimensions of the machine
[01:15:45] <zeeshan|2> 50" wide, 72" long, 72" height
[01:15:49] <zeeshan|2> so the width isnt the problem
[01:15:56] <zeeshan|2> the length might be
[01:16:01] <zeeshan|2> means i have to shift the car a bit
[01:17:05] <ssi> 50" deep front to back?
[01:17:13] <zeeshan|2> no
[01:17:16] <zeeshan|2> 50" wide
[01:17:21] <ssi> gotcha
[01:17:24] <zeeshan|2> depth is 72
[01:17:27] <zeeshan|2> so 6 feet
[01:17:35] <zeeshan|2> right now the distance between the wall to the car in that pic
[01:17:37] <zeeshan|2> is 6.25ft
[01:17:38] <ssi> plus room for operator
[01:17:47] <zeeshan|2> i can access it from the sides
[01:18:01] <ssi> I have similar concerns
[01:18:15] <ssi> the machine's gonna go in the back of the hangar, and I need to be able to put the airplane in in front of it
[01:18:26] <ssi> and hopefully have room to operate the machine without having to pull the plane out every time
[01:18:30] <ssi> although that wouldn't be the end of the world
[01:18:32] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:18:33] <zeeshan|2> thatd suck
[01:18:37] <zeeshan|2> i dont wanna do that with my car
[01:18:40] <zeeshan|2> especially during winter time
[01:18:46] <zeeshan|2> that thing hasn't seen winter ever in its life!
[01:18:49] <ssi> heh
[01:20:18] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuiibGx1078&list=UUy-Z-COl0WvPmSLXMOvtedg
[01:20:26] <zeeshan|2> only video i can find of my car
[01:21:28] <ssi> what'd it run there
[01:21:38] <zeeshan|2> prolly like 12.8
[01:21:43] <zeeshan|2> i stopped driving
[01:21:44] <zeeshan|2> by 3rd gear
[01:21:47] <zeeshan|2> was tuning the car
[01:21:51] <ssi> was that an R running alongside you, or a regular GTI
[01:21:51] <zeeshan|2> thjats why theres tons of smoke
[01:21:55] <zeeshan|2> gti
[01:22:00] <Tom_itx> anyone remember the link for the motherboards latency results?
[01:22:04] <zeeshan|2> i didnt launch the car
[01:22:05] <ssi> I had an R, got rid of it last november
[01:22:18] <zeeshan|2> best run i've done on the car is 10.6 @ 138 mph
[01:22:39] <ssi> that's good
[01:22:42] <ssi> too much money tho :P
[01:22:52] <zeeshan|2> i love cars on most days
[01:22:59] <zeeshan|2> i just hate getting under them
[01:23:10] <zeeshan|2> the other day i was sitting on a stool doing my wiring on the limit switches
[01:23:13] <zeeshan|2> try doing that on a car
[01:23:14] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:23:37] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/i0fPFPI.jpg
[01:23:41] <zeeshan|2> thats what it looks like right now
[01:23:49] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/4e1x1vf.jpg
[01:23:50] <zeeshan|2> disaster
[01:23:51] <zeeshan|2> :P
[01:23:58] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/NsDW1FQ.jpg
[01:24:07] <elmo40> speaking of cars... I have a guy in university wanting to control the ignition and fuel injection with an arduino. or a RaspPi. Anyone hear of it being done yet?
[01:24:22] <zeeshan|2> elmo40 why
[01:24:32] <SpeedEvil> Raspi is basically barking mad
[01:24:36] <ssi> if he wants to do that DIY
[01:24:37] <Tom_itx> elmo40, that's been done with a moto 68332
[01:24:39] <ssi> he should look at megasquirt
[01:24:41] <Tom_itx> google it
[01:24:42] <SpeedEvil> you want to use a beaglebone black for that
[01:24:48] <SpeedEvil> using the PRus
[01:24:54] <SpeedEvil> and yes - look at megasquirt
[01:25:01] <zeeshan|2> megashart
[01:25:02] <zeeshan|2> !
[01:25:05] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, my bud used to run an alcohol funny car.. lots of fun
[01:25:17] <Tom_itx> keith black 540 iirc
[01:25:18] <zeeshan|2> did he laugh when driving it
[01:25:30] <SpeedEvil> Also - DIY fuel injection HARDCORE
[01:25:30] <elmo40> it is a uni project
[01:25:31] <SpeedEvil> http://www.f1-2000.co.uk/index.php?f=fuel_injectors
[01:26:03] <SpeedEvil> elmo40: Specifically - the PRUs on the BBB are exactly designed for high timing resolution tasks.
[01:26:04] <zeeshan|2> damn thats mall
[01:26:18] <zeeshan|2> *small
[01:26:48] <zeeshan|2> just use linuxcnc to run your car
[01:26:57] <zeeshan|2> hook up 4 servos to your wheels
[01:26:58] <zeeshan|2> AWD
[01:27:21] <Tom_itx> elmo40, http://www.diy-efi.org/efi332/faq.htm
[01:27:29] <SpeedEvil> Stepper motors work fine for small cars.
[01:27:30] <Tom_itx> fwiw
[01:28:25] <zeeshan|2> TekniQue in this channel
[01:28:28] <zeeshan|2> made his own ecu from scratch
[01:28:34] <zeeshan|2> guy is a legend
[01:28:41] <zeeshan|2> he built his own engine dyno too
[01:28:49] <Valen> you are going to need lots of I/O to do a decent job of running an engine
[01:29:03] <zeeshan|2> Valen: depends!
[01:29:10] <SpeedEvil> Much of it is relatively slow IO though
[01:29:30] <SpeedEvil> the sparkplug and injector timings and crank angle sensor are hard realtime
[01:29:46] <SpeedEvil> And need vastly sub-millisecond precision ideally
[01:29:49] <Valen> idle air control valve
[01:29:53] <SpeedEvil> the rest - not nealry so much
[01:29:55] <Valen> O2 sensor
[01:30:02] <zeeshan|2> so if its a 4 banger, 4 injector drivers, 4 ignition signals (coil on plug), crank angle sensor, crank angle sensor, map sensor, wideband sensor
[01:30:03] <ssi> injector timings aren't as precise as you think
[01:30:16] <Valen> perhaps not timing critical, but you still need quite a few if you are doing anything fancy
[01:30:17] <SpeedEvil> ssi: and no - but repeatabiity is important
[01:30:18] <ssi> at any significant rpm, the injector duration approaches 100% duty
[01:30:19] <Valen> knock sensors
[01:30:20] <ssi> yes
[01:30:24] <zeeshan|2> idle control valve doesnt need to be super high speed either
[01:30:27] <zeeshan|2> if its a servo kind, sure
[01:30:29] <zeeshan|2> if its stepper, no
[01:30:47] <ssi> linuxcnc might actually be a pretty good basis for making an ecu
[01:30:49] <zeeshan|2> you dont technically need knock sensors to run an engine :P
[01:30:53] <ssi> feedback loops are already there :)
[01:31:12] <Valen> you do if you want it to be better than what the factory engine came with ;-P
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[01:31:26] <zeeshan|2> haha, well it depends on the application right?
[01:31:33] <zeeshan|2> i mean if you really want to make it better
[01:31:45] <zeeshan|2> you should probably have a high speed pressure transducer per combustion chamber
[01:31:49] <zeeshan|2> and be processing that shit at high speed
[01:31:51] <zeeshan|2> vs using a knock sensor
[01:31:58] <malcom2073> Do custom M-codes have to use P and Q (M123 P4321) or can I do M123 4321 ?
[01:31:59] <ssi> sad fact of the matter is most factory ECUs are tuned for emissions :(
[01:32:20] <ssi> you can tune for power (rich), and you can tune for economy (lean)
[01:32:23] <ssi> but most cars are neither
[01:32:38] <Valen> a decent ECU will do both
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[01:32:53] <Valen> rich at WOT and lean(ish) the rest of the time
[01:33:00] <malcom2073> ssi: Not true, you can get both with a dynamic tune that adjusts based on things like throttle position, speed of change in engine speed, etc
[01:33:03] <zeeshan|2> yea but you'd be suprised at how important transients are
[01:33:06] <zeeshan|2> especially on a turbocharged car
[01:33:13] <ssi> malcom2073: yes, you CAN get both
[01:33:15] <zeeshan|2> my factory WRX in the transient region is lean as shit
[01:33:17] <ssi> but factory ecus don't
[01:33:19] <zeeshan|2> not tuned for performance at all
[01:33:23] <malcom2073> ssi: Agree with tht heh
[01:33:35] <MacGalempsy> i got turbos but only the mechanic works on them
[01:33:41] <zeeshan|2> like an engine shouldnt be hitting 13.8:1 afr during transition
[01:33:47] <zeeshan|2> it should be minimum 12.8~
[01:33:48] <malcom2073> There's a reason none of my cars have factory ecu's anymore :-P
[01:33:51] <zeeshan|2> for a 9:1 compression motor
[01:33:55] <zeeshan|2> at 15psi
[01:33:58] <ssi> my Z cars ran custom ecus
[01:34:03] <ssi> the VWs I always just let APR do it
[01:34:36] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/23u3acx-1.jpg
[01:34:37] <zeeshan|2> wow
[01:34:40] <zeeshan|2> i have so much hair
[01:34:47] <zeeshan|2> this pic is like 10 years old
[01:35:32] <malcom2073> So, anyone on the mcode question? :P
[01:35:59] <ssi> malcom2073: no idea. Try it and see? :P
[01:36:12] <malcom2073> ssi: I will tomorrow when I work on it again, fgured I'd ask :)
[01:36:21] <malcom2073> And if not, if anyone had a workaround to make it work
[01:36:32] <Connor> remap would be a work around.
[01:36:35] <Connor> what are you trying to do ?
[01:37:15] <malcom2073> Connor: Send M123 4321 to a script. My code generator can't stick a P or Q on it :/
[01:37:35] <Connor> M100 - M199 are Custom codes.
[01:37:41] <malcom2073> Connor: Right.
[01:37:41] <Connor> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#sec:M100-to-M199
[01:37:52] <malcom2073> Connor: yes, that's where I got my info
[01:38:02] <Connor> I think the P and Q are required though.
[01:38:16] <malcom2073> That's what I think too
[01:38:32] <zeeshan|2> ssi whats a z car
[01:38:36] <zeeshan|2> you mean like a 350z?
[01:38:41] <zeeshan|2> 300zx?
[01:38:43] <Connor> What's the M code for ?
[01:38:50] <ssi> 300zx
[01:38:55] <zeeshan|2> nice
[01:38:55] <ssi> Z31, 80's
[01:38:56] <malcom2073> Connor: to control a fan
[01:38:57] <zeeshan|2> hug eengine in that hting
[01:39:09] <Connor> Why can't your script generate it?
[01:39:10] <zeeshan|2> i used to have a fwd car eclipse
[01:39:12] <ssi> they're great cars to make stupid fast for no money
[01:39:15] <zeeshan|2> made a lot of power
[01:39:16] <zeeshan|2> like 400whp
[01:39:20] <zeeshan|2> but it'd do this to the xles:
[01:39:22] <zeeshan|2> *axles
[01:39:22] <ssi> yea I had a GST once upon a time too
[01:39:26] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/axles_owned3.jpg
[01:39:34] <Connor> err Code generator..
[01:39:38] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/axles_owned4.jpg
[01:39:39] <ssi> yep
[01:39:42] <zeeshan|2> shear it nice and good
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[01:39:52] <malcom2073> Connor: Because it's a stupid code generator that doesn't allow me to. I'm going to start sticking it in manually, but it'd be nice ifit were automatic
[01:40:06] <ssi> my '88 Z31 was about 550rwhp
[01:40:10] <ssi> 18psi
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[01:40:15] <Connor> You could write a Post processor to do it for you..
[01:40:28] <zeeshan|2> g et back into cars
[01:40:28] <zeeshan|2> :P
[01:40:28] <Connor> look for the MXXX command.. and replace it with MXXX P
[01:40:33] <ssi> the R when I got rid of it was 425awhp
[01:40:35] <ssi> at 28psi
[01:40:36] <ssi> heheh
[01:40:43] <malcom2073> Connor: Yeah :/ I'd rather if it "just worked" :P
[01:40:50] <zeeshan|2> r was awd?
[01:40:52] <ssi> yuuuu.
[01:40:53] <ssi> p
[01:40:56] <zeeshan|2> !
[01:40:59] <zeeshan|2> that must ab een a fun car
[01:41:06] <zeeshan|2> did you blow up any transmissions
[01:41:11] <Connor> This for a printer ?
[01:41:17] <ssi> there's a video floating around of a drag race in the rain at the airport against my buddies in their evo X and eclipse GSX
[01:41:21] <ssi> and I had fifteen carlengths on them
[01:41:25] <ssi> no, no blown up transmissions
[01:41:30] <malcom2073> Connor: yes
[01:42:07] <Tom_itx> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?M100-199
[01:42:10] <Tom_itx> malcom2073
[01:42:34] <Connor> Tom_itx: Problem is.. LinuxCNC requires the P and Q to be pre-pended to the value
[01:42:58] <ssi> zeeshan|2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZqWv_31lJs different video
[01:43:27] <malcom2073> I assume it requires them, I've not tried it yet
[01:44:03] <zeeshan|2> where be drag race video
[01:44:03] <zeeshan|2> :D
[01:44:07] <ssi> I'll have to find it
[01:44:09] <ssi> someone else posted it
[01:44:11] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#sec:M100-to-M199
[01:44:14] <Tom_itx> seems it does
[01:44:17] <zeeshan|2> ui like how you're taking turns in the wet
[01:44:18] <zeeshan|2> :D
[01:44:24] <ssi> that's my favorite stretch of road in GA
[01:44:36] <malcom2073> Yep Tom_itx, that's where I found out how to use M100+ commands in the first place heh
[01:44:39] <ssi> and when I went to pete's last weekend from the lake, gps took me up that mountain :D
[01:44:57] <Connor> like I said.. a simple post processor.. I.E. a sed command will fix that.
[01:45:05] <ssi> that car was amazingly sure-footed
[01:45:28] <ssi> I'd only had it for two weeks at that point, so I was taking it easy ;)
[01:45:40] <malcom2073> I already have two other post processing scripts, I guess what's one more heh
[01:45:40] <zeeshan|2> shouldnt have gotten rid of it
[01:45:40] <zeeshan|2> :D
[01:45:51] <ssi> it was expensive
[01:45:57] <ssi> I made the right decision getting rid of it
[01:46:02] <ssi> the diesel's not as fun, but it's WAY more practical
[01:46:08] <ssi> and 55mpg :)
[01:47:39] <zeeshan|2> fak gas efficiency
[01:47:43] <XXCoder> still waiting for my elio
[01:47:43] <zeeshan|2> i need speeeeeddd
[01:47:46] <XXCoder> 84 mpg
[01:47:50] <XXCoder> 100 mph
[01:47:55] <zeeshan|2> its jus tbe
[01:47:58] <zeeshan|2> but i rather take a car that does 28mph
[01:47:58] <malcom2073> They're all rolled into one application anyway, so it's not terribly difficult, was hoping to eventually not have to run it through that, rather than having to add to it :P
[01:48:03] <zeeshan|2> mpg and is fun
[01:48:14] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: I take it you have never seen elio
[01:48:28] <XXCoder> you'd probably roll coal on it :P
[01:49:49] <zeeshan|2> no 3 wheels for me!
[01:49:55] <zeeshan|2> it does look cool though
[01:50:36] <zeeshan|2> ez win ssi
[01:50:37] <ssi> zeeshan|2: fuel economy isn't fun, until you get up into silly high numbers
[01:50:40] <ssi> then it's its own game
[01:50:59] <ssi> I drove 812 miles round trip to my mom's house and back without stopping for fuel, in one day
[01:51:05] <ssi> 56.9mpg tank average
[01:51:26] <zeeshan|2> =D
[01:51:34] <ssi> drove 6500 miles round trip to california and back on $570 in fuel
[01:51:42] <ssi> trip average was 44mpg
[01:51:50] <ssi> and we were 85mph+ for most of it
[01:51:51] <zeeshan|2> when i got the wrx
[01:51:59] <zeeshan|2> i was torn between getting something highly gas efficient
[01:52:04] <zeeshan|2> since i do long trips too (for hiking)
[01:52:13] <zeeshan|2> and something quicker than what iwas driving
[01:52:29] <ssi> the last four cars I've owned have been >400hp turbo cars
[01:52:33] <zeeshan|2> i just couldnt say no to a factory car that does 28mpg , runs 13.5
[01:52:35] <ssi> now I have a >50mpg turbo car
[01:52:38] <zeeshan|2> and awd
[01:52:59] <zeeshan|2> yea 400hp for a dd might be a little too expensive :P
[01:53:04] <zeeshan|2> my rx7 does like 10 mpg
[01:53:05] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:53:13] <zeeshan|2> and it takes 94 octane
[01:53:14] <ssi> well for a 425hp awd car it was quite good
[01:53:20] <ssi> 23mpg average
[01:53:29] <zeeshan|2> thats not bad at all
[01:53:39] <ssi> my GLI before it was approaching 400hp and I got closer to 30mpg in it
[01:53:43] <ssi> awd EATS fuel
[01:53:59] <ssi> and the Z31 was 19mpg
[01:54:03] <zeeshan|2> i guess the extra loss
[01:54:05] <zeeshan|2> due to the center diff
[01:54:06] <ssi> I'm convinced every nissan on the planet gets 19mpg
[01:54:06] <zeeshan|2> and front diff
[01:54:07] <ssi> yeah
[01:54:11] <ssi> three diffs
[01:54:17] <ssi> lots of drivetrain loss
[01:54:33] <ssi> plus more weight, rotating mass, the whole deal
[01:54:56] <ssi> and honestly at the end of the day, it's great for the mountains and track
[01:55:01] <ssi> but you can't spin tires and hoon worth a shit
[01:55:10] <ssi> I prefer a rwd car
[01:55:18] <ssi> there's just not a lot of good new rwd platforms
[01:55:19] <zeeshan|2> ill never drive fwd
[01:55:21] <zeeshan|2> after awd
[01:55:35] <ssi> I'll tell you this
[01:55:40] <ssi> when you finally get the awd donut to happen
[01:55:44] <ssi> it's hard as shit to get it started
[01:55:47] <ssi> but it's a magical experience
[01:55:52] <zeeshan|2> hahah
[01:55:54] <zeeshan|2> gotta try it on ice
[01:55:55] <zeeshan|2> or snow
[01:55:59] <ssi> yeah it's easy on ice
[01:56:03] <ssi> hard on wet pavement
[01:56:08] <ssi> we don't get a lot of ice
[01:56:15] <ssi> and f course I sold the car right before our big ice storm :/
[01:56:17] <zeeshan|2> that was the other influence
[01:56:20] <zeeshan|2> we get lots of snow up here
[01:56:25] <zeeshan|2> so awd mattered a lot to me
[01:56:27] <ssi> yeah
[01:56:29] <zeeshan|2> i hate dreading driving
[01:56:31] <zeeshan|2> cause its snowing outside
[01:56:40] <zeeshan|2> cause i gotta dig my car out :P
[01:56:43] <ssi> you have to actually buy snow tires :)
[01:56:54] <ssi> I usually run summer tires year round
[01:56:55] <zeeshan|2> ill run snow tires on the awd still
[01:56:56] <ssi> not even all season
[01:57:01] <zeeshan|2> gotta still brake :P
[01:57:12] <zeeshan|2> do you guys get snow down there?
[01:57:17] <ssi> yes
[01:57:20] <ssi> like a week a year
[01:57:22] <ssi> and the city shuts down
[01:57:24] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:57:33] <zeeshan|2> i guess theres no reason for snow tires then
[01:57:36] <ssi> oh hell no
[01:57:39] <ssi> nobody has snow tires here
[01:57:42] <ssi> the cops have chains
[01:57:44] <ssi> that's about it
[01:59:33] <XXCoder> just use russian jet enhone snow melt thingy
[02:00:05] <XXCoder> http://scene-media.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/1291856483519.jpg
[02:00:15] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[02:00:18] <zeeshan|2> nice
[02:00:42] <ssi> lul
[02:01:06] <XXCoder> http://gizmodo.com/5332274/in-russia-snowblowers-use-mig-15-jets/
[02:01:33] <ssi> mig 15s are cheap
[02:02:02] <ssi> https://www.barnstormers.com/classified_878897_MIG+15+NICE+RESTORATION.html
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[02:02:24] <XXCoder> russia has LOT snow. that is why we should NEVER invade them in winter. nazi germany sure learned that lesson
[02:02:25] <zeeshan|2> ssi
[02:02:32] <zeeshan|2> so my axis all home now
[02:02:40] <zeeshan|2> what were you saying about setting up tools? :P
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[02:02:47] <zeeshan|2> after you home
[02:02:52] <XXCoder> damn
[02:02:56] <zeeshan|2> you cut a piece of material
[02:02:59] <zeeshan|2> and measure
[02:03:02] <zeeshan|2> and determine?
[02:03:02] <XXCoder> that is around amount of expensive car
[02:03:03] <ssi> zeeshan|2: yeah start by picking a datum tool
[02:03:07] <XXCoder> or cheap house
[02:03:18] <ssi> take a test cut at a known diameter
[02:03:24] <ssi> measure the actual diameter turned
[02:03:31] <ssi> subtract half the difference from your home offset
[02:03:41] <zeeshan|2> currently i have my home offset set to 7.5"
[02:03:44] <zeeshan|2> (bullshit number)
[02:03:54] <zeeshan|2> so when i cut my work piece
[02:04:01] <zeeshan|2> it might say for example 3.000" on the DRO
[02:04:02] <ssi> in the tool table, the datum tool (which should probably be tool 1) should have 0 tool offsets in X and Z
[02:04:10] <zeeshan|2> but i actually measure 1.500" w/ a micrometer
[02:04:30] <zeeshan|2> so what number do i enter? :P
[02:04:36] <zeeshan|2> 3-1.5?
[02:04:38] <ssi> well that depends on what the DRO is showing
[02:04:42] <ssi> is it showing you radius or diameter?
[02:04:47] <zeeshan|2> radius
[02:04:57] <zeeshan|2> fak it
[02:04:59] <zeeshan|2> just say diameter
[02:05:01] <ssi> if you measure 1.5" with a micrometer, than the DRO should be reading 0.75"
[02:05:02] <zeeshan|2> all numbers in diameter
[02:05:11] <ssi> well just think carefully about it
[02:05:15] <ssi> because your home offset is in radius
[02:05:20] <zeeshan|2> yea i get you
[02:05:25] <zeeshan|2> you're trying to have 0 difference between the DRO
[02:05:28] <zeeshan|2> and your measurement
[02:05:31] <ssi> yes
[02:05:32] <zeeshan|2> so you offset the home offset
[02:05:35] <zeeshan|2> by that amount
[02:05:37] <ssi> just bearing in mind what your DRO "means"
[02:05:45] <ssi> yes
[02:05:48] <zeeshan|2> yea if its radius or dia
[02:05:55] <ssi> and your tool table needs to be 0 in both dimensions for that tool
[02:05:59] <zeeshan|2> yes
[02:06:05] <zeeshan|2> what did you do about your Z
[02:06:10] <ssi> doesn't matter
[02:06:11] <zeeshan|2> cause that's going to change al lthe time
[02:06:14] <ssi> Z is always gonna be touched off
[02:06:23] <ssi> on my HNC, I have an absolute Z that means something
[02:06:48] <ssi> it's set up so that Z = 0 when the face of the turret is touching the nose of the spindle
[02:06:57] <ssi> it homes at +10" from there
[02:07:15] <zeeshan|2> but you'll have to touch off
[02:07:17] <zeeshan|2> depending on your part
[02:07:25] <ssi> well on that machine I have absolute part lengths
[02:07:26] <zeeshan|2> after homing, i dont know this
[02:07:29] <zeeshan|2> but do you still touch off X ?
[02:07:34] <ssi> no
[02:07:35] <zeeshan|2> or will it let you run the cnc
[02:07:37] <zeeshan|2> without touching off
[02:07:42] <ssi> yeah you don't have to touch off
[02:07:49] <zeeshan|2> but how does it know
[02:07:51] <ssi> you want your G54 X to match your G53 X
[02:07:53] <zeeshan|2> where the G54 is
[02:08:14] <zeeshan|2> hm
[02:08:23] <ssi> you can G53 jog to a fixed X and then set G54
[02:08:26] <ssi> it should persist across reboots
[02:08:52] <ssi> make sure your G92 offsets are cleared too
[02:08:54] <zeeshan|2> im a bit confused
[02:09:01] <zeeshan|2> when you touch off, you set your G54 X and Y
[02:09:02] <zeeshan|2> origin
[02:09:11] <zeeshan|2> but since now you're already at the correct X
[02:09:17] <ssi> you don't have to touch off X
[02:09:20] <ssi> so here's the goal
[02:09:26] <ssi> you should be able to bring up the machine
[02:09:30] <ssi> toolchange to T1
[02:09:35] <ssi> home the machine
[02:09:47] <ssi> touch off your Z
[02:09:52] <ssi> jog to 0.5" radius in X and take a test cut
[02:09:56] <ssi> and it should cut 1.0000" diameter
[02:09:59] <ssi> without having to touch anything off
[02:10:04] <ssi> in X that is
[02:10:07] <zeeshan|2> yea
[02:10:33] <zeeshan|2> so as long as i never do a X axis touch off
[02:10:37] <zeeshan|2> my G54 x and G53 x
[02:10:39] <zeeshan|2> will always match
[02:10:47] <zeeshan|2> automatically
[02:12:41] <ssi> right
[02:12:47] <zeeshan|2> i dont think i ever call g92
[02:12:48] <zeeshan|2> in my g-code
[02:12:53] <zeeshan|2> i cant find any instances of it
[02:14:03] <Tom_itx> i don't
[02:14:12] <Tom_itx> i'd use work offsets first
[02:15:14] <Tom_itx> you could use it to mill several patterns off a plate in a grid i suppose
[02:15:19] <zeeshan|2> i dont see where you use g92
[02:15:23] <Tom_itx> for example)
[02:15:24] <zeeshan|2> cause when you touch off
[02:15:31] <zeeshan|2> you're setting up your G54 X and Z origin
[02:15:36] <zeeshan|2> i dont see when you'd need to do a g92
[02:15:42] <zeeshan|2> it seems to offset all yoru coordinate systems
[02:15:44] <zeeshan|2> by a certain amount
[02:16:04] <Tom_itx> i can see more trouble than it's worth personally
[02:16:22] <zeeshan|2> like how they taught us in school back in the day from what i can remember is
[02:16:25] <zeeshan|2> you home.
[02:16:27] <ssi> yes G92 are temporary offsets
[02:16:33] <ssi> and they get applied on top of whatever coordinate system you're in
[02:16:35] <zeeshan|2> then if you have 4 pieces of the same thing spaced apart
[02:16:40] <zeeshan|2> you go and touch off each of those parts
[02:16:49] <zeeshan|2> and store them to the appropriate G54-G58 work offset
[02:17:09] <zeeshan|2> and then you run the same program 4 times, but you call the appropriate work coordinate system
[02:17:13] <zeeshan|2> before each run
[02:17:55] <Tom_itx> yeah
[02:18:05] <ssi> here's a curious question
[02:18:11] <ssi> if you have G92 offsets applied
[02:18:15] <ssi> and you do a G53 move
[02:18:18] <ssi> do the offsets apply there?
[02:18:29] <ssi> cause I use G53 moves to go to fixed positions on the machine, for toolchanges for instance
[02:18:34] <zeeshan|2> When G92 is executed, the origins of all coordinate systems move.
[02:18:37] <ssi> and having a G92 offset in there could cause unexpected behavor
[02:18:39] <zeeshan|2> ^ from manual
[02:18:43] <zeeshan|2> so i thin kit offsets everything
[02:18:47] <ssi> that's not good
[02:18:49] <ssi> heh
[02:19:57] <zeeshan|2> maybe you can dedicate
[02:20:02] <zeeshan|2> say a g59 coordinate system
[02:20:05] <zeeshan|2> er nm
[02:20:12] <zeeshan|2> thers gotta be a way to store a definite point
[02:20:21] <zeeshan|2> relative to your machine g53 origin
[02:20:30] <zeeshan|2> that never ever changes
[02:20:46] <zeeshan|2> yea
[02:20:47] <zeeshan|2> G28
[02:20:48] <zeeshan|2> looks like it
[02:20:50] <ssi> I guess I just need to be conscious and do G92.1 before any G53 moves in subroutines for things like toolchangers
[02:21:16] <zeeshan|2> i think you wanna do a g28
[02:21:29] <ssi> yeah and I think I actually was using G28 on the HNC for toolchange
[02:21:41] <zeeshan|2> so thats what the hell g28 is for
[02:21:41] <zeeshan|2> haha
[02:21:51] <zeeshan|2> these coordinate systems when first looking at them
[02:21:53] <zeeshan|2> made 0 sense to me
[02:21:54] <ssi> I had to be really careful with toolchange on it, because with a drill in a drill chuck on the turret, toolchanges would swing it around and break the drill bit off
[02:21:59] <ssi> yeah it's complicated
[02:22:15] <zeeshan|2> but like it all makse sense when you're saying
[02:22:20] <zeeshan|2> i want a point in space that never changes
[02:22:32] <Tom_itx> machine home
[02:22:36] <zeeshan|2> well thats one point
[02:22:40] <zeeshan|2> but relative to that you want your ATC
[02:22:52] <zeeshan|2> or maybe you can even set a g28 for bar feeder
[02:22:57] <zeeshan|2> so your tool goes to a predefined point
[02:23:04] <zeeshan|2> so you load your work piece, smashes against the tool
[02:23:15] <ssi> yeah that's not a bad idea
[02:23:15] <zeeshan|2> and then you run your program
[02:23:39] <zeeshan|2> im pretty sure i cant remember though
[02:23:40] <ssi> I should add a little pneumatic gripper bar puller on the hnc :D
[02:23:48] <zeeshan|2> that the emags had a specific g-code called for tool changes
[02:24:09] <zeeshan|2> ssi dont be lazy
[02:24:10] <zeeshan|2> load it yourself
[02:24:12] <zeeshan|2> :)
[02:24:21] <ssi> what I've done in the past is part halfway through with a cutoff blade, then stop, open the collet, drag the part out, close the collet, and finish parting
[02:24:29] <ssi> it's not about lazy, it's about multiple parts per cycle ;)
[02:24:34] <zeeshan|2> by a pneumatic gripper bar pulled
[02:24:40] <zeeshan|2> you mean your TOOL is an actual gripper
[02:24:40] <zeeshan|2> right?
[02:24:43] <ssi> yeah
[02:24:49] <zeeshan|2> that's a sweet method
[02:24:54] <zeeshan|2> but also means you need a pneumatic chuck
[02:24:59] <ssi> I have that
[02:25:02] <zeeshan|2> !
[02:25:03] <ssi> !
[02:25:06] <zeeshan|2> how do those work?
[02:25:11] <ssi> pneumatic collet closer
[02:25:11] <zeeshan|2> where is the air fed into them
[02:25:16] <ssi> on the back of the spindle
[02:25:29] <zeeshan|2> well the one im thinking of is @ work
[02:25:32] <ssi> you know how a lever collet closer works?
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[02:25:33] <zeeshan|2> it was a 3 jaw..
[02:25:38] <zeeshan|2> pneumatically closed
[02:25:45] <ssi> yeah I have no idea how those work
[02:25:54] <zeeshan|2> i didnt understand how it was getting air
[02:25:56] <zeeshan|2> while spinning
[02:26:07] <ssi> might be air to open, and only works when stopped
[02:26:19] <zeeshan|2> yes but how doe sthe air fitting line up
[02:26:22] <ssi> dunno
[02:26:25] <ssi> holes in the spindle?
[02:26:26] <ssi> heh
[02:26:59] <zeeshan|2> okay im going to try the datum tool o nthe machine
[02:27:05] <zeeshan|2> i hope i dont crash anything
[02:27:33] <ssi> don't crash it
[02:27:34] <zeeshan|2> i have a shit load of indenters to make
[02:27:37] <zeeshan|2> on wednesday
[02:27:39] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9syWRN-RL9E
[02:28:18] <zeeshan|2> such a sexy chuck
[02:28:35] <ssi> GRANT ME YOUR SECRETS
[02:28:59] <zeeshan|2> it looks like
[02:29:07] <zeeshan|2> that collar when moved axially
[02:29:11] <zeeshan|2> causes the jaws to move radially
[02:29:13] <ssi> yes
[02:29:18] <zeeshan|2> interesting
[02:29:19] <ssi> and it's just pressurized from behind
[02:29:26] <zeeshan|2> yea just like a drawbar
[02:29:28] <zeeshan|2> type of thing
[02:29:49] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doO5LJ1QfdU
[02:30:23] <zeeshan|2> man
[02:30:27] <zeeshan|2> thats a clever mechanism
[02:30:47] <zeeshan|2> i dont see it being good a a general purpose chuck
[02:30:51] <zeeshan|2> due to the limit in movement
[02:31:04] <zeeshan|2> like it makes sense @ the place i worked at
[02:31:09] <zeeshan|2> cause theyre making the same part over and over
[02:31:16] <ssi> well that's the same idea with a collet closer
[02:31:26] <ssi> you get enough spring in the collet to clamp the part
[02:31:26] <zeeshan|2> so its a custom speced chuck for the diameter its closing on
[02:31:35] <ssi> nah they probably use collet pads
[02:32:20] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8X-Z6Sti1A
[02:32:21] <zeeshan|2> bahhaa
[02:32:23] <zeeshan|2> look at this wuss
[02:32:32] <zeeshan|2> uusing an engine hoist to remove the chuck
[02:32:37] <ssi> :P
[02:32:38] <zeeshan|2> that chuck looks like it weighs 60lb
[02:32:50] <ssi> I bet it's not
[02:32:50] <zeeshan|2> seriouslky
[02:32:53] <zeeshan|2> look at that
[02:32:55] <ssi> 8" chucks weigh more than that
[02:34:31] <zeeshan|2> wow
[02:34:33] <zeeshan|2> look at 4:@3
[02:34:35] <zeeshan|2> 4:23
[02:34:39] <zeeshan|2> thats an intersting way to hold something
[02:34:40] <ssi> at 2:00 now
[02:34:44] <zeeshan|2> when trying to losen something
[02:34:50] <zeeshan|2> i could use that technique on a flywheel
[02:37:00] <ssi> yeah I've used that technique before
[02:37:02] <zeeshan|2> i bet that chuck is like 3000$
[02:37:10] <ssi> I'm sure it is
[02:37:10] <zeeshan|2> its so nice
[02:37:27] <zeeshan|2> i havent used it before
[02:37:33] <zeeshan|2> i always make a flywheel stopper
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[02:37:48] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/fppEfWu.jpg
[02:37:50] <zeeshan|2> like that
[02:39:23] <Tom_itx> that chuck weighs more than 60 lbs
[02:39:44] <zeeshan|2> im 130lb
[02:39:50] <zeeshan|2> i can lift a 100lb chuck no problem!
[02:39:51] <zeeshan|2> :P
[02:40:05] * zeeshan|2 is just trolling
[02:40:08] <zeeshan|2> like i said before
[02:40:08] <Tom_itx> i didn't say i couldn't
[02:40:13] <zeeshan|2> if it requires more than 10lb of force
[02:40:19] <zeeshan|2> im doing it wrong
[02:40:29] <zeeshan|2> :)
[02:40:36] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure i'd wanna lean over a machine to mount it to the spindle
[02:40:40] <ssi> yeah so that's how it works
[02:40:49] <ssi> that drawtube moves in and out under pneumo/hyrdaulic power
[02:41:01] <ssi> and the drawtube operates either a collet closer or that powerchuck mechanism
[02:41:06] <zeeshan|2> its so funny it's called a "Drawtube"
[02:41:09] <zeeshan|2> so used to hear drawbar
[02:41:22] <Tom_itx> not really
[02:41:37] <Tom_itx> we had feed tubes that went inside the draw tubes too
[02:42:36] <ssi> zeeshan|2: what are you using for lathe cam
[02:42:45] <zeeshan|2> masterslut
[02:42:53] <zeeshan|2> for solidpoop
[02:43:01] <ssi> lul
[02:43:14] <zeeshan|2> it still doesnt output g-code fully right
[02:43:25] <zeeshan|2> linuxcnc expects g95 after a manual tool change
[02:43:36] <zeeshan|2> before first feed move
[02:43:47] <zeeshan|2> mastercam doesnt like to output it
[02:43:55] <zeeshan|2> and the post processor modification is a nightmare
[02:44:08] <zeeshan|2> because they've got 5 axis, milling, 4 axis, mill-turn , turnning
[02:44:10] <zeeshan|2> all in one file
[02:44:12] <ssi> G95?
[02:44:12] <ssi> weird
[02:44:21] <zeeshan|2> so half the time whatever im modifying, isnt evein in the correct section lol
[02:44:29] <ssi> I would have thought that modal code would stay applied
[02:44:44] <zeeshan|2> nah man
[02:44:50] <zeeshan|2> imachine stops completely after t2 m6
[02:44:55] <zeeshan|2> itll go g0 x y
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[02:44:59] <zeeshan|2> then die off at g01
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[02:46:11] <ssi> yeah it looks like that chuck's jaws only move about a half inch
[02:46:19] <ssi> but the jaws themselves are on t-slot
[02:46:25] <ssi> so you can move them in and out to position for whatever work
[02:46:33] <ssi> although that means you have to dial in every time
[02:46:44] <zeeshan|2> i really t hink
[02:46:53] <zeeshan|2> its only good for production runs
[02:46:59] <zeeshan|2> like 50-60 parts
[02:47:12] <elmo40> wow. I would LOVE to have this setup! http://www.f1-2000.co.uk/img/Conrods/1600X1087/Rod-bolts/on-the-tele-L.jpg
[02:47:34] <zeeshan|2> elmo40
[02:47:37] <zeeshan|2> im dieing to get to the point
[02:47:42] <zeeshan|2> where i can hook up a cmos/ccd cam
[02:47:45] <zeeshan|2> for tool alignment purposes
[02:47:54] <zeeshan|2> and tool dial in
[02:50:22] <elmo40> that is for some intricate production!
[02:58:28] <elmo40> I found a place selling a CNC drilling machine
[02:58:29] <elmo40> http://www.idotronics.com/equipment--inventory-for-sale.html
[02:58:34] <elmo40> scroll to the bottom.
[02:59:09] <elmo40> they are asking $500 or so. You think it is a good starting point? They are a tad small, but better than nothing!
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[03:22:12] <ssi> ugh platter hard drives are such a hassle
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[03:26:53] <elmo40> go SSD!
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[03:34:05] <ssi> I already am SSD
[03:34:12] <ssi> problem is, I need extra storage to dump shit
[03:34:16] <ssi> and my external drives are being pieces of shit
[03:36:17] <skunkworks_> external raid boxes..
[03:36:40] <skunkworks_> redundant array of 'inexpensive' disks...
[03:37:05] <skunkworks_> my biggest one is 8 3TB drives..
[03:37:20] <ssi> I have a pair of massive raids
[03:37:27] <ssi> acutally three I guess
[03:37:30] <ssi> but none of them are here
[03:37:45] <ssi> I have two 14x500G raid cabinets with 2G fiber channel cards
[03:37:54] <ssi> and my server downtown has 8x2T
[03:37:55] <XXCoder> we already hit tech limitions. we need truly reolutary new ideas to beat moore law for storage again
[03:37:59] <ssi> but none of those do me any good right now :P
[03:38:16] <ssi> I just need a single solitary external drive so I can dump some crap off it
[03:38:35] <ssi> I have to install winxp in parallels because 7's hopelessly broken
[03:40:47] <ssi> anyway this is what's pissing me off
[03:40:56] <ssi> I have a WD external drive, and the drive it it is dying
[03:40:59] <ssi> won't mount, won't repair
[03:41:03] <ssi> I have two other drives to put in it
[03:41:10] <ssi> but WD firmware locks their enclosures
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[03:41:16] <ssi> so the only thing I can replace it with is another WD green
[03:41:23] <ssi> which are like the shittiest, dyin'est drives on the market
[03:41:35] <ssi> as evidenced by the dyin ass drive in the enclosure now
[03:43:11] <ssi> hell, samsung 840 evo 1TB is only $400 now; I should just swap this 250 out for that
[03:43:34] <XXCoder> solid state?
[03:47:48] <skunkworks_> yes
[03:48:58] <skunkworks_> I have a 840 500gb drive in this laptop.. love iit
[03:49:09] <ssi> yeah the 250 in here is an 840 pro
[03:49:26] <ssi> but it's chronically full :/
[03:49:55] <ssi> somewhere I have another 500G external drive that I used to use for video editing on my laptop
[03:50:02] <ssi> it was in one of my laptop bags, but I can't find it now
[03:50:04] <ssi> driving me crazy
[03:58:17] <elmo40> ssi: any thoughts on starting with a cnc drilling machine?
[03:58:27] <elmo40> http://www.idotronics.com/equipment--inventory-for-sale.html <-- Scroll to bottom
[03:59:13] <ssi> might not be bad
[03:59:18] <ssi> it's hard to say from the pictures
[03:59:28] <ssi> looks like it's built more like a router than like a mill
[03:59:30] <elmo40> $500 each machine.
[03:59:39] <elmo40> they are 'drill' machines
[04:00:06] <elmo40> no clue what they use for reading gcode, what motors power the screws... no idea.
[04:00:11] <roycroft> the question is not whether $500 is a good value for that machine
[04:00:26] <roycroft> the question is if a machine like that would be useful to you
[04:00:52] <elmo40> sure it would! if I had a variable speed spindle on it ;)
[04:01:16] <ssi> shit for $500 I'd find a way to make it useful :)
[04:03:53] <XXCoder> cool skunk
[04:03:57] <roycroft> there's likely $500 worth of useful parts with that at the very least
[04:04:33] <XXCoder> drill cnc interesting
[04:04:42] <XXCoder> easy enough to modify into router style cnc
[04:05:55] <XXCoder> well should be anyway lol
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[04:10:50] <fenugrec> wow nice - I have a brand new SATA HDD that works with regula 2.6* kernels, but not with linuxCNC live CDs (tried 10.04 and the most recent Wheezy image). Has anyone had this ? dmesg shows "ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)"
[04:12:48] <ssi> it must be hard drive difficulty night
[04:14:33] <fenugrec> ssi: make that hard drive summer of hell. I've only had trouble for the past 3 months
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[04:21:51] <fenugrec> well, I think the mofo will detect the drive if I put "pci=nomsi" on the kernel. Not sure of the implications re latency ...
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[04:28:39] <zeeshan|2> ssi alive?
[04:29:46] <zeeshan|2> so after messing around a bit
[04:30:11] <zeeshan|2> when i cut the piece after homing was setup
[04:30:22] <zeeshan|2> it cuts within 0.0003"
[04:30:35] <zeeshan|2> when i remove the tool from the piston qctp
[04:30:38] <zeeshan|2> and reload
[04:30:45] <zeeshan|2> it cuts within 0.0004"
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[04:31:43] <ssi> GOOD
[04:31:57] <zeeshan|2> i made the mistake
[04:32:06] <zeeshan|2> of changing the height of the datum tool
[04:32:09] <zeeshan|2> so i had to do everything again :P
[04:33:15] <ssi> hahaha
[04:37:07] <zeeshan|2> hey
[04:37:11] <zeeshan|2> so from how im thinking
[04:37:31] <zeeshan|2> n/m
[04:37:38] <zeeshan|2> (figured it out)
[04:37:48] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking the tool heights of the other tools had to be the same
[04:37:50] <zeeshan|2> but it doesnt matter
[04:37:51] <ssi> nope
[04:38:06] <ssi> cause you're gonna touch them off into the table relative to datum
[04:38:11] <zeeshan|2> i used a trick i figured out
[04:38:16] <zeeshan|2> i took my dial indicator
[04:38:21] <zeeshan|2> 0'ed it at the tip of the tool
[04:38:39] <zeeshan|2> moved the indicator to a known diameter
[04:38:44] <zeeshan|2> found the difference
[04:38:52] <zeeshan|2> figured out how far my tool was from the center line
[04:38:59] <zeeshan|2> got it dialed within 3 thou
[04:39:23] <zeeshan|2> how do you touch off your LH turning tool
[04:39:25] <zeeshan|2> in the Z axis
[04:40:08] <ssi> that's a good question :P
[04:40:23] <zeeshan|2> i was using some hack method
[04:40:27] <ssi> could face a piece of stock with your datum tool, then clamp a 123 block to the end
[04:40:29] <zeeshan|2> i took a feeler gauge
[04:40:37] <zeeshan|2> put it flat against the workpiece..
[04:40:45] <zeeshan|2> then jogged the tool till it hit it and i felt it
[04:40:50] <zeeshan|2> i got it within 3 thou
[04:42:10] <zeeshan|2> hm
[04:42:16] <zeeshan|2> maybe i can use the indicator trick
[04:42:22] <zeeshan|2> set the indicator to 0 on the end of the work piece
[04:42:42] <zeeshan|2> then find the low spot
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[04:43:32] <zeeshan|2> actually another method might be like this
[04:43:43] <zeeshan|2> you dig into the work pieceand cut a step
[04:43:49] <zeeshan|2> take the work piece out
[04:43:57] <zeeshan|2> put it flat on a granite table
[04:44:13] <zeeshan|2> and use an test indicator to measure the difference from the referenace plane
[04:44:21] <zeeshan|2> to where the step is
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[04:45:21] <zeeshan|2> last idea similar to yours..
[04:45:27] <zeeshan|2> make the step., sure its deep enough
[04:45:44] <zeeshan|2> c-clamp a parallel to the step
[04:45:55] <zeeshan|2> measure the difference between the end of the work piece to the parallel
[04:46:08] <zeeshan|2> requires no removal of the workpiece
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[05:02:25] <fenugrec> is there any reason to use or avoid either ext2 or ext4 with linuxcnc ?
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[05:05:07] <Valen> does ubuntu 10.whatever the livecd is run ext4?
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[05:06:20] <fenugrec> hmm I'll have to check
[05:06:46] <Valen> that'd be the only reason not to
[05:06:50] <Valen> that i can think og
[05:06:59] <Valen> of
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[14:35:37] <ssi> morn
[14:36:23] <archivist> moan
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[15:32:29] <ssi> I had weird dreams
[15:32:39] <ssi> about air raids
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[16:07:06] <jdh> vacation time.
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[16:08:40] <ssi> wat
[16:08:54] <jdh> you need vacation. to stop the air raid dreams
[16:08:55] <archivist> where are you sending me on vacation?
[16:09:07] <ssi> lol
[16:10:50] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l39D-JKip8&list=UUgRVyK5zbwonme_TdkypukQ slow motion 60k rpm micro milling
[16:11:48] <ssi> wow
[16:13:06] <SpeedEvil> Holy fuck.
[16:13:07] <SpeedEvil> 5nm
[16:15:31] <archivist> less than a gnats cock
[16:18:03] <mozmck> jthornton: JT-Shop__: you around?
[16:19:11] <jthornton> kinda
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[16:26:45] <mozmck> jthornton: how do you like asciidoc? the kicad project is looking at it - looking to switch from odt
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[16:28:16] <jthornton> it is easy to write docs with it, I'm not sure what wizzardly stuff jepler has done with the submake file to get the pdf
[16:28:23] <jthornton> I make my tutorials with it \
[16:30:33] <mozmck> ok
[16:31:50] <jthornton> there is a document in the source that explains most of what I do with it
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[16:32:49] <jthornton> this one? http://www.kicad-pcb.org/display/KICAD/KiCad+EDA+Software+Suite
[16:32:59] <mozmck> yep!
[16:34:44] <jthornton> when I click on a manual I get a file listing http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kicad-developers/kicad/doc/view/head:/doc/help/en/kicad.pdf
[16:35:17] <elmo40> anyone using HeeksCNC?
[16:35:42] <elmo40> I hear he is going to a paid version, or something.
[16:36:06] <mozmck> jthornton: I think they use openoffice to write the docs, then convert to pdf
[16:36:28] <mozmck> looking to change the base format to something else - maybe asciidoc.
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[16:36:53] <jthornton> ok, the web sight keeps sending me in circles trying to view the pdf's... maybe download only?
[16:37:24] <CaptHindsight> elmo40: he went to a new paid version after being on hiatus for a while
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[16:37:33] <ssi> https://sites.google.com/site/heekscad/
[16:37:36] <mozmck> I don't know, haven't tried to download them from there.
[16:37:41] <ssi> so it's £10, but it's open source?
[16:37:43] <ssi> how does that work?
[16:38:10] <elmo40> same way that Elive works
[16:38:16] <elmo40> 'forced donation'
[16:38:19] <ssi> I've wanted to try it, but I've never managed to make it build
[16:38:22] <CaptHindsight> http://heekscnc.blogspot.com/
[16:38:29] <ssi> I'm certainly not going to pay for something I can't build
[16:39:00] <jthornton> bbl
[16:39:08] <CaptHindsight> I heard he got a new job and the project is back on the shelf again
[16:39:11] <elmo40> I used it up until v 0.18 It worked well for me.
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[16:39:50] <elmo40> I think I will buy that cnc drill thing... gonna take a look at it tomorrow. They have 3 of them. Maybe I can swing a deal for 2 ;-)
[16:39:58] <ssi> heheh
[16:40:03] <ssi> where in the world are they?
[16:40:08] <archivist> not much happens in the #heekscad channel these days
[16:40:37] <CaptHindsight> his license also changed to BSD
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[16:41:42] <Rab> elmo40, take a close look at the Z axis. It may have very limited travel, or manual depth adjustment with power up/down only.
[16:41:47] <archivist> he started out bsd iirc
[16:42:06] <PetefromTn_> bsd?
[16:42:34] <CaptHindsight> ah ok, maybe he just linked to the new BSD license https://code.google.com/p/heekscnc/
[16:42:43] <archivist> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses
[16:43:17] <elmo40> Rab: I can modify the Z. It is a drilling machine now, I want a spindle on it. I will have to make a better Z anyways.
[16:43:20] <PetefromTn_> ty
[16:43:23] <elmo40> this gives me a great starting point.
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[16:46:08] <nickoe> ciampix: anything happening in here?
[16:46:23] <ciampix> hi all, may I be a little OT and ask some questions about linuxcnc documentation tool (Asciidoc)?
[16:46:34] <ciampix> nickoe, no ;-)
[16:47:45] <nickoe> ciampix: fire! :P
[16:50:03] <mozmck> heh, I think jthornton just left for a bit.
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[16:53:58] <ciampix> I have seen that doc is written in asciidoc and that it should be able to handle indexes automatically, I have some problems with indexes (I haven't understood how they work evidently...)... where are doc sources BTW so to take a look on those?
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[16:59:11] <archivist> they should with the source in git methinks
[16:59:14] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Building_the_documents_along_with_LinuxCNC
[17:00:14] <archivist> not sure if you can get doc source separate, jt would know
[17:01:54] <nickoe> you archivist you are also hanging around in here!?
[17:02:40] <archivist> why yes :) I do more cnc than pcbs
[17:06:25] <archivist> ciampix, I just found http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=docs;h=f4cb25407cf394a88f0865ff18c0a6d9d8fdd2b9;hb=HEAD
[17:06:54] <nickoe> archivist: you beat me to it, but I post the link anywahý! http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=docs;h=f4cb25407cf394a88f0865ff18c0a6d9d8fdd2b9;hb=HEAD
[17:07:03] <nickoe> hehe was the same :P
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[17:27:02] <ciampix> thank you all very much!
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[17:51:05] <Connor> ssi: jdh: My Ball Screws just showed up! :)
[17:51:31] <ssi> woo!
[17:51:38] <ssi> lmb2008?
[17:51:42] <Connor> Yea.
[17:51:42] <ssi> I know I asked you that already
[17:51:55] <ssi> and these are for the 704?
[17:51:58] <Connor> Yup.
[17:51:58] <ssi> all double nuts?
[17:52:00] <ssi> what was the price
[17:52:35] <jdh> cool. panduit should be there too.
[17:52:51] <jdh> but, I found the 2nd piece of small stuff I cut laying on the garage floor
[17:52:57] <Connor> $219.00 to the door. Included grinding of the X axis nut and metric nuts for the ends.
[17:53:01] <ssi> that's not bad
[17:53:12] <jdh> nice. Mine were $199 with single nuts, no grinding
[17:53:22] <Connor> Double nuts, with grinding.
[17:53:26] <ssi> grinding for what?
[17:53:29] <ssi> clearance?
[17:53:32] <Connor> Yea.
[17:53:34] <jdh> saddle
[17:53:34] <ssi> gotcha
[17:53:39] <PetefromTn_> congrats Connor
[17:53:39] <ssi> got pics?
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[17:53:56] <Connor> Not yet. I'll take some later this evening.
[17:54:08] <Connor> I have 9.5" travel on the Y screw..
[17:54:18] <ssi> Connor: wire transfer went through for the Sabre this morning :)
[17:54:22] <ssi> it's really happening
[17:54:24] <ssi> (terrified)
[17:54:28] <jdh> I used a dremel cutoff wheel to make a clean line then an angle grinder for the bulk.
[17:54:45] <Connor> so, it's just a mater of making the column extension and make sure enough material removed from the base.
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[17:55:06] <jdh> I didn't remove any material from teh base and lost a little.
[17:55:14] <jdh> the casting wasn't clean on one side
[17:56:27] <Connor> I plan on removing allot from the front..
[17:57:30] <jdh> for teh double nut clearance?
[17:57:49] <Connor> Yea. and to get the extra travel..
[17:58:35] <Connor> The body of the nut will endup going THROUGH the front of the base and stopping against the front mount.
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[18:12:50] <Loetmichel> *cough* *spit* just fond myself a dinner on the way to the kitchen: a drosophilia decided to end its life in my throat.. i instinctly gulped it down *yuck* ;-)
[18:13:46] <PetefromTn_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
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[18:15:31] <ssi> Loetmichel: now the entire species will evolve slightly to avoid flying down the throat of german passersby
[18:15:39] <pcw_home> fruit flies dont bother me
[18:15:40] <pcw_home> fruit flies dont bother me
[18:15:42] <pcw_home> fruit flies dont bother me
[18:15:43] <pcw_home> I kill them off with DDT
[18:15:46] <ssi> :D
[18:15:52] <Loetmichel> i usually use my hands
[18:16:08] <Loetmichel> not my throat on the way to the kitchen
[18:16:09] <PetefromTn_> mleck nasty...
[18:16:52] <Loetmichel> i wonder where wife has fortottem some vegetables for them so they could multiply... i cant seem to find their food source. they are botherin me this whole sumemr
[18:17:16] <Loetmichel> forgotten
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[18:21:51] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwFek4V5aP4#t=212 insane..
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[18:24:56] <ssi> PetefromTn_: jesus
[18:25:19] <PetefromTn_> if I tried that I would be a reddish-tan greasy spot about a quarter mile long ;)
[18:25:53] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I used to ride a nitromethane powered board. I could hit ~55MPH standing
[18:25:56] <PetefromTn_> My cousin is a relatively serious skateboarder and he sent me that..
[18:26:30] <PetefromTn_> What's funny is I thought NOTHING of riding my big FZR1000R at 170 plus on the freeway but I cringe when I watch that video LOL
[18:27:10] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight you are insane too.. welcome to the club.
[18:27:20] <CaptHindsight> I used to cruise the paved bike trails
[18:27:58] <PetefromTn_> how exactly do you power a skateboard with Nitro?
[18:28:04] <Flipp_> Loetmichel: think of it as some bonus protein
[18:28:25] <CaptHindsight> it had a 25cc 2 cycle engine
[18:28:49] <skunkworks> dad is awesome... http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/probe/PROBE2.JPG
[18:29:24] <PetefromTn_> Oh my stepson had a board with a 2 stroker motor on it we used to ride. It would go about 30 or so... fast enough to make me worry.. But it had TWO wheels...
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[18:30:41] <CaptHindsight> I usually run gas + 2 cycle oil, but occasionally model aircraft fuel (methanol + nitromethane) and 2 cycle oil
[18:31:15] <CaptHindsight> I'd probably kill myself now. This was back in the 80's
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[18:31:41] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1GpNyI1Jcc something like this?
[18:31:52] <PetefromTn_> that is what my Stepson had... I rode it quite a bit.
[18:32:02] <PetefromTn_> Rode it to the little store once or twice too..
[18:33:34] <ssi> PetefromTn_: where did you buy your cat40 toolholders?
[18:33:45] <PetefromTn_> fleabay
[18:33:59] <ssi> cool
[18:34:05] <ssi> I'll probably try to get a handfull of ER chucks
[18:34:08] <ssi> that seems like a good way to go
[18:34:17] <CaptHindsight> mine were regular 2 truck, 4 wheels boards, Independent ~8 wide trucks with 90mm Red Kryptonics wheels
[18:34:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah I got ER32 and ER20 models.
[18:34:25] <ssi> ER32 cat40 chucks are $65 from shars
[18:34:37] <ssi> probably not includin the collets :P
[18:34:53] <PetefromTn_> I tried to buy from SHars but they refused to put together a package I wanted for the right price.
[18:35:16] <ssi> oshi, there's a guy with er32 cat40 chucks, 5 for $140 buy it now, free shipping
[18:35:20] <ssi> more than 10 sets available
[18:35:34] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: base model http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q1dyW07vBRo/Sz5ep-5gd2I/AAAAAAAACOM/DkWVC11xxcU/s1600-h/motoboard+2.jpg
[18:36:17] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0R3NMCaYdA
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[18:36:39] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: you cringe?
[18:36:45] <Loetmichel> wimp! ;-)
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[18:38:00] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CAT40-ER32-COLLET-CHUCK-5-CHUCKS-new-/161357654929?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item2591aa6b91 This is the guy I bought mine from SSI
[18:38:10] <PetefromTn_> Loetmichel Yeah I guess so ma...
[18:38:11] <CaptHindsight> heh, he has the choke on in the video
[18:38:13] <PetefromTn_> man
[18:38:20] <ssi> PetefromTn_: ha same picture, different seller
[18:38:26] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight Looks like a donor board LOL
[18:38:53] <CaptHindsight> organ donor
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[18:38:59] <PetefromTn_> I contacted that seller and he was very helpful and wiling to package together the holders I wanted into an ebay auction for me,
[18:39:06] <PetefromTn_> yep
[18:39:22] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn: i drive this: ... on the freeway -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15295
[18:39:24] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[18:39:26] <PetefromTn_> Oops wait that is not the guy ssi
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[18:40:55] <PetefromTn_> ssi http://stores.ebay.com/cmetools/ Here is his webstore.
[18:41:03] <PetefromTn_> I have been pleased with the holders so far.
[18:41:13] <ssi> yeah that's the guy I linked
[18:41:22] <PetefromTn_> okay
[18:41:27] <ssi> five ER32 chucks for $139 shipped
[18:41:28] <ssi> that's awesome
[18:41:30] <PetefromTn_> sorry just trying to help.
[18:41:35] <ssi> I was afraid toolholders were gonna be expensive
[18:41:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah they are quite reasonable.
[18:42:04] <PetefromTn_> Get some long neck ER16 or ER20 too they come in real handy for tight corners.
[18:42:14] <ssi> I'll probably buy a 32nds set and one or two 16ths sets of ER32 collets
[18:42:25] <ssi> does he have the right pullstuds too?
[18:42:37] <PetefromTn_> Loetmichel is that a 600?
[18:42:51] <Loetmichel> 50cc ;-)
[18:42:55] <PetefromTn_> I dunno my machine came with a large box of original pullstuds.
[18:43:00] <ssi> ah
[18:43:04] <ssi> I don't think mine does :P
[18:43:08] <PetefromTn_> and it is FRWY capable?
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[18:43:18] <PetefromTn_> no way LOL
[18:43:40] <PetefromTn_> They are the long neck pullstuds for mine I would make sure yours are the same before I ordered any.
[18:44:22] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_:iassure you, its 50cc
[18:44:28] <ssi> yea I'll need to get you to measure them for me
[18:44:34] <Loetmichel> and has about 2.5 HP ;-)
[18:44:43] <ssi> http://www.shars.com/products/view/7589/CAT_40_45_0594_Pull_Stud_Retention_Knob_For_Cincinnati
[18:45:04] <PetefromTn_> and it goes up to freeway speed?
[18:45:19] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14283&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <. se the fake valve drive lid
[18:45:22] <Loetmichel> see
[18:45:24] <PetefromTn_> my son had a 150CC scooter and it would not go above 55 MPH.
[18:45:24] <ssi> I could always turn pullstuds on the hnc ;)
[18:45:36] <Loetmichel> it is allowd to go 50kmh
[18:45:40] * JT-Shop tries to think of a reason to keep a 1kva 240v to 120v transformer... but can't think of any
[18:45:42] <PetefromTn_> ssi I would not recommend it..
[18:45:49] <ssi> yeah not for $8.50 apiece or less
[18:45:52] <Loetmichel> it CAN go about 90 on a level street
[18:45:54] <ssi> would need to be hardened too
[18:46:11] <PetefromTn_> 90!!!
[18:46:18] <PetefromTn_> on 50cc?
[18:46:20] <Loetmichel> KMH not mph
[18:46:22] <ssi> lol
[18:46:24] <PetefromTn_> what kinda fuel
[18:46:25] <PetefromTn_> aah
[18:46:27] <ssi> which is like 55mph
[18:46:28] <PetefromTn_> nevermind
[18:46:38] <PetefromTn_> forgot you are in germany.
[18:46:42] <Loetmichel> right
[18:46:48] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda surprised it even goes 55
[18:47:00] <Loetmichel> thanks to the 5 shift gearbox
[18:47:00] <PetefromTn_> it looks a lot heavier than the scooter my son had.
[18:47:05] <Loetmichel> it is
[18:47:10] <Loetmichel> about 130kg
[18:47:16] <PetefromTn_> looks like a hoot to ride tho.
[18:47:16] <Loetmichel> (250 lbs or so)
[18:47:24] <Loetmichel> hoot?
[18:47:28] <PetefromTn_> I gotta go pickup my kids from school be right back...
[18:47:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah good time...
[18:47:33] <PetefromTn_> run
[18:47:35] <PetefromTn_> fun
[18:47:37] <Loetmichel> its very comfy if you mean that
[18:48:09] <Loetmichel> and it dosent look as stoopid as my old scooter wiht a greay bearded man on top
[18:48:26] <Loetmichel> fits the posture if you know what i mean ;-)
[18:48:36] <ssi> heheh
[18:49:52] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: how many gears?
[18:50:00] <Loetmichel> that was my ride to work every day for 6 jears, summer as winter, 42km one way... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=3794&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:50:11] <Loetmichel> 5 shift gearbox
[18:50:15] <Loetmichel> @ ssi
[18:50:29] <Loetmichel> the scooter had belt drive vario
[18:51:09] <Loetmichel> so 5 gears ;-)
[18:51:22] <Loetmichel> at the eaglet
[18:51:50] <ssi> :)
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[18:52:19] <Loetmichel> i would like to do a drivers license for a bigger bike, but my wife objects... and she is right: its expensive in germany, about 2500 eur to get the license, and then the bike on top of that
[18:52:40] <Loetmichel> and as i happen to have a big car i only use it on nice days now
[18:53:44] <ssi> jeez
[18:54:14] <ssi> ok time to go to the airport and evaluate the spot where the vmc will go
[18:54:15] <ssi> bbiab
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[19:08:05] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, boat anchor?
[19:10:02] <JT-Shop> got rid of all my boats
[19:10:13] <Tom_itx> sell the copper then
[19:11:08] <JT-Shop> yea, looks easy to take apart all bolted together... old school style
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[19:12:05] <Tom_itx> unwind half of the primary and use it as an isolation transformer
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[19:20:29] <Tom_itx> Loetmichel how often do you have to renew your licenses?
[19:20:37] <Loetmichel> never
[19:21:05] <Loetmichel> only truck drivers have to go to a checkup after they pass 50 years or so
[19:21:11] <Tom_itx> no bi-anual eye check or anything?
[19:21:19] <Loetmichel> see above
[19:21:28] <Tom_itx> heh
[19:21:39] <Loetmichel> only the truck drivers license (as in 40 tons semis) has such a rewuirement
[19:21:42] <Loetmichel> -w+q
[19:21:57] <Loetmichel> medical checkup
[19:22:16] <Loetmichel> every two years above age 50
[19:22:48] <Rab> In the USA you need a Class B license for anything over 26,000lbs (and certain lighter trailer combos), which requires a medical examination.
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[19:23:23] <Rab> Renewed periodically, although I'm not sure about the interval.
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[19:24:09] <Loetmichel> Rab: i am allowed to drive cars up to 3.5 metric tons and trailers up to 750kg with my license
[19:25:05] <Loetmichel> and there is another one for bikes (in two steppings, up to 17ho and open) and still another one for tucks bigger than 3.5 tons, and a seperate one for trailers, too
[19:25:30] <Loetmichel> the car license also incluides bikes up to 50cc and 45kmh(50kmh for older bikes)
[19:25:47] <Loetmichel> thats why i drive a 50cc ;-)
[19:26:05] <Loetmichel> s/ho/hp
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[20:22:49] <lappi> hello together, one question: does anyone know how to link the "esc" to hall pin for axes front end?
[20:24:51] <lappi> #exit
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[20:25:15] <_methods> wow
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[20:35:00] <jthornton> 2 whole minutes he waited
[20:36:21] <Tom_itx> he was on the interweb without permission and his mom walked in
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[20:54:40] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:11:25] <Connor> jdh: Got my package from you. Complete with a Shark Tooth! My First one.
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[21:11:57] <Connor> I have 2 x 9" sections.. and a longer smaller section.. a SSR plate and some terminals
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[21:24:11] <mblaszkiewicz> wondering if PCW (pete is hiding out here)
[21:26:22] <Connor> As pcw_home
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[21:43:00] <mblaszkiewicz> opps sorry went to the machine for a sec
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[21:43:35] <mblaszkiewicz> just looking to do a servo tune now on the machine
[21:43:45] <mblaszkiewicz> everything else is all good
[21:44:11] <Connor> Someone had a very nice wiki page on tuning servo's.. I don't remember who.. or what the URL was.
[21:44:46] <mblaszkiewicz> I'm just wondering what signals they are looking at in the tuning
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[21:45:12] <jthornton> following error
[21:45:24] <mblaszkiewicz> I have the page by gnsomething saved somewhere
[21:46:00] <Connor> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/servo.html
[21:46:08] <jthornton> :)
[21:46:31] <Connor> and.. it would be jthornton's wiki
[21:46:53] <mblaszkiewicz> Thats the one. he just doesn't say what pins he is using in the hal scope
[21:47:16] <Connor> jthornton: Exactly what does gnipsel mean ?
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[21:48:00] <mblaszkiewicz> I don't know
[21:48:01] <jthornton> it's from the movie No Time for Sargent's starring Andy Griffith
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[21:48:24] <jthornton> the channels are labeled in the hal scope screen shot
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[21:48:54] <jthornton> see the ^ that is the trigger channel
[21:49:13] <mblaszkiewicz> duh. ok I guess I can give it a shot now
[21:49:34] <jthornton> you will have to adjust the sliders a bit to get things to work
[21:50:50] <mblaszkiewicz> how would I speed up the machine? it tops out at 60 ipm. from the factory it can do 798 rapid and over 200 feed
[21:52:24] <mblaszkiewicz> is it something in the hal or ini files????
[21:53:23] <JT-Shop> usually those settings are in the ini but can be in the hal file
[21:53:29] <CaptHindsight> mblaszkiewicz: maybe pastebin your .ini and hal files so we can see
[21:53:31] <JT-Shop> are you using Axis gui
[21:53:55] <mblaszkiewicz> yes
[21:54:40] <mblaszkiewicz> I'll post them in a min. I have to restart my linux pc.
[21:55:12] <mblaszkiewicz> the wifi card is a little funky. It shuts down after a while and refuses to reconnect
[21:56:27] <CaptHindsight> has anyone seen a lighting controller that's simple enough to use for the non-programmer for use on elaborate holiday displays? Halloween and xmas lights
[21:57:27] <mblaszkiewicz> my son standing outside with the extension cord in his hand at the outlet?????
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[21:59:34] <JT-Shop> in Axis start up the Calibration window
[22:00:00] <CaptHindsight> looks like we lost him
[22:00:55] <JT-Shop> I keep forgetting to look
[22:00:58] <markblaszkiewicz> http://pastebin.com/WyhAhhFz
[22:01:13] <markblaszkiewicz> That is the hal file
[22:02:26] <CaptHindsight> I agree :)
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[22:03:50] <markblaszkiewicz> http://pastebin.com/fG3EHQNH
[22:03:51] <JT-Shop> mark
[22:03:55] <markblaszkiewicz> That is the ini
[22:04:00] <markblaszkiewicz> yup
[22:04:01] <JT-Shop> markblaszkiewicz, in Axis start up the Calibration window
[22:04:08] <markblaszkiewicz> on my onther pc
[22:04:44] <JT-Shop> you will see pins that are defined in the ini file and be able to adjust and save them as you run hal scope
[22:05:09] <mblaszkiewicz> ok calibration window is open
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[22:08:30] <JT-Shop> you should see all the calibration info for each axis in calibration
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[22:10:03] <mblaszkiewicz> OK
[22:10:21] <mblaszkiewicz> I have the 4 pins set and on the hal scope
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[22:12:23] <mblaszkiewicz> It is set for the z axis, axis zero
[22:12:51] <mblaszkiewicz> I see nothing happening on the hal scope
[22:12:53] <JT-Shop> X should be axis 0
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[22:13:57] <mblaszkiewicz> let me check again.
[22:14:12] <mblaszkiewicz> duh ok 0 is x,
[22:14:35] <mblaszkiewicz> my 7i77 card has z as zero
[22:18:36] <mblaszkiewicz> It is all straight lines
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[22:19:23] <JT-Shop> what is "it"?
[22:19:43] <mblaszkiewicz> The hal scope
[22:20:02] <JT-Shop> jog the axis
[22:20:10] <mblaszkiewicz> do I start adding to the config and see what happens ???
[22:20:23] <JT-Shop> I'm still working so I just happen to be here from time to tim
[22:20:32] <JT-Shop> adding?
[22:20:36] <mblaszkiewicz> nothing
[22:21:08] <Connor> AC bearings.. which is front and which is back ?
[22:21:27] <PetefromTn_> usually one shoulder is wider
[22:24:27] <mblaszkiewicz> Ill get back to the tuning later. Something came up here that I have to get to.
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[22:25:34] <JT-Shop> AC what's that?
[22:25:44] <PetefromTn_> angular contact
[22:26:01] <JT-Shop> ah ok
[22:26:22] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, hows the spindle doing?
[22:26:34] <PetefromTn_> how ya mean?
[22:26:41] <PetefromTn_> it spins hehe
[22:26:41] <JT-Shop> still quiet?
[22:26:51] <PetefromTn_> sure smooth as silk now thankfully
[22:26:55] <JT-Shop> nice
[22:26:56] <PetefromTn_> nice and quiet
[22:27:01] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/BallScrew/3.jpg
[22:27:05] <JT-Shop> I bet the cut is better
[22:27:08] <PetefromTn_> I routinely run it up to 5k or more now.
[22:27:12] <PetefromTn_> sure is.
[22:27:19] <Connor> which one is the back ? I think the BOTTOM is showing the "back"
[22:27:38] <PetefromTn_> just finished that large prototype project and the finish was as good as I ever have made before on any machine I have run.
[22:27:49] <JT-Shop> nice
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[22:27:56] <PetefromTn_> Connor Not understanding your question
[22:28:04] <JT-Shop> me neither
[22:28:05] <Connor> Look at that picture.
[22:28:22] <Connor> two bearings.. same one. is face up, one is back up.
[22:28:22] <JT-Shop> got that far
[22:28:29] <JT-Shop> yep
[22:28:31] <PetefromTn_> We have now gotten the spindle encoder
[22:28:40] <PetefromTn_> the one on the bottom has the wider shoulder
[22:28:48] <Connor> I think the one in the BOTTOM of the picture is BACK up.
[22:29:01] <JT-Shop> my photo shows two bearings side by side
[22:29:07] <PetefromTn_> For instance if you were to press against the top one down on top of it the bearing keeper will break
[22:29:08] <Connor> the outside..
[22:29:37] <PetefromTn_> er rather the other way around sorry.
[22:30:06] <PetefromTn_> the side with the shorter lip does not hold the bearings in the side with the taller thicker lip does. SO that may help you understand which way they go.
[22:30:52] <PetefromTn_> http://www.backsaw.net/pics/flange.jpg
[22:31:18] <PetefromTn_> Look at that photo of the two angulars and see how the tall lip is oriented on them. Back to back in this situation.
[22:31:57] <jdh> those don't look like ACBs to me
[22:32:23] <PetefromTn_> what doesn't
[22:32:40] <jdh> that flange pic
[22:32:41] <skunkworks_> PetefromTn_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBQ7RSuRAls
[22:32:49] <Connor> jdh: That 3.jpg is from the original bearings for my router.. new bearings I ordered as AC look just like that.. only a tad smaller.
[22:32:50] <PetefromTn_> the one I posted?
[22:33:02] <jdh> the one you posted
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[22:33:32] <PetefromTn_> Those are angular contact bearings.. Look at the relationship of the balls to the races,,
[22:33:44] <JT-Shop> yep
[22:33:48] <PetefromTn_> skunkworks_ Saw that nice work man. jealous
[22:34:11] <PetefromTn_> I understand you did not have to worry about spindle orientation
[22:34:29] <skunkworks_> no.. it is mechanincal
[22:34:37] <PetefromTn_> Would love to speak to someone who has managed to get VFD spindle orientation without some mechanical means
[22:35:04] <JT-Shop> IIRC robh has
[22:35:14] <PetefromTn_> Just sold another rail to a fellow in New Zealand...
[22:35:25] <PetefromTn_> Woot!
[22:35:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah I understand that is correct.
[22:36:21] <PetefromTn_> I need to speak with him about it.
[22:36:56] <PetefromTn_> I need to figure out how he wired it and how linuxCNC controls it so we can continue on with this setup.
[22:37:54] <jdh> heh... if I cover up one of those bearings, they look right.
[22:37:57] <Connor> PetefromTn_: First have to get your spindle working under Closed PID Loop
[22:40:32] <Connor> They machined flats on BOTH sides of the screw.. I wonder why they did that.. plans only called for a single flat.
[22:40:54] <PetefromTn_> why do we need that?
[22:41:26] <Connor> Because, the orient.9 command uses PID to control the spindle to move it into position.. like a servo
[22:41:57] <Jymmm> Glock vs Microwave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ7_0U3KIZE
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[22:43:25] <PetefromTn_> Can that work with the modbus control?
[22:43:39] <Connor> Should be able too.
[22:43:51] <PetefromTn_> I understand the PID loop should be just a programming thing in hal no?
[22:43:58] <Connor> correct
[22:44:29] <PetefromTn_> really excited about getting onto this toolchanger finally. No more hurdles of wiring or parts to buy now hopefully.
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[23:05:02] <malcom2073> Hey, I'm seeing pwmgen.0.pwm-freq in my .hal file, but it's not being set. Setting max-dc is working, but pwm-freq is 0 every time I start and I have to manually set it, any thoughts on why it would set itself to 0 on start?
[23:05:24] <roycroft> i should not ask this here, as folks on irc tend to be at least somewhat skilled with computers, but why are engineers generally such complete morons when it comes to configuring computers and software?
[23:06:03] <roycroft> i've had five licensed engineers come over to look at my plotter over the weekend, and every one of them cannot comprehend how to install a printer driver or connect a plotter to a network
[23:06:05] <malcom2073> roycroft: It's not limited to engineers, but I met an engineer fresh out of college who honest to god didn't know what an extension cord was for.
[23:06:16] <malcom2073> Never know what people do, and don't get out of education.
[23:06:27] <roycroft> it's like their brain melts down when they have to do anything but run autocad
[23:06:40] <roycroft> one of them said he had to hire someone to install autocad for him
[23:07:37] <roycroft> i don't expect engineers to necessarily be computer experts, but i do expect them to be able to have and use analytical skills and be able to troubleshoot things logically
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[23:08:35] <roycroft> one of them said that the plotter would do everything he needs but he'd have to hire someone to get it working, and that would cost him $150, making it unaffordable
[23:08:50] <roycroft> he was going to go buy a brand new plug-and-play plotter instead
[23:08:55] <roycroft> entry price on those is $1000
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[23:09:09] <roycroft> vs. $150 for my plotter + $150 to have someone connect it to his network
[23:09:21] <malcom2073> roycroft: Just remember: Average IQ is 100.
[23:09:36] <roycroft> yes, i suppose
[23:10:14] <malcom2073> So, while I have you here, how do I install a printer driver for my cnc machine?
[23:10:15] * malcom2073 runs
[23:10:30] <roycroft> i don't know offhand
[23:10:34] <roycroft> but i could certainly figure it out
[23:10:37] <roycroft> :P
[23:10:39] <malcom2073> Psh
[23:10:40] <malcom2073> heh
[23:11:03] <roycroft> um
[23:11:49] <roycroft> design and build a cnc controller (whatever you have) to rs232 interface
[23:12:06] <roycroft> write a gcode to hp/gl interpreter and install it on the cnc computer
[23:12:14] <roycroft> and bob's your uncle
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[23:13:09] <malcom2073> I do not have an uncle named bob, kinda wish I did so that would be funny :)
[23:13:30] <malcom2073> I need to figure out this HAL weirdness now heh
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[23:21:16] <roycroft> so is anyone here familiar with rabone chesterman tools?
[23:21:35] <roycroft> as in, are they generally really good quality?
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[23:21:54] <roycroft> i'm looking at a precision machinist's level made by them
[23:22:14] <roycroft> but looking at it from afar - online
[23:22:26] <PetefromTn_> OT anyone know something about canoes?
[23:23:06] <roycroft> only how to paddle one
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[23:23:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[23:23:20] <malcom2073> Only that being up shit creek in one can suck
[23:23:38] <PetefromTn_> I bought my kids a nice offroad go kart with full rollcage
[23:23:44] <PetefromTn_> they are afraid of it damnit
[23:23:58] <PetefromTn_> so we went to a picnic held by my daughter's company
[23:24:09] <PetefromTn_> they had a couple nice canoes there for everyone to use
[23:24:18] <PetefromTn_> my wife and kids really enjoyed riding in it.
[23:24:31] <PetefromTn_> So we decided to try to trade the go kart for a nice large canoe
[23:24:47] <roycroft> the canoe would be more my speed
[23:24:52] <PetefromTn_> I just got offered a nice 17 foot long grumman canoe that looks really good.
[23:25:02] <PetefromTn_> but I have no idea what makes a good canoe.
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[23:25:35] <PetefromTn_> this one is aluminum and is like three feet wide so it is supposed to be really stable in the water.
[23:25:40] <roycroft> not leaking would be a good sign :)
[23:25:54] <PetefromTn_> I am going to look at it tomorrow or the next day whever he is available from work
[23:26:08] <PetefromTn_> sure leaking would not be preferrable I think... thanks
[23:26:14] <Connor> What's a good source for reamers ?
[23:26:20] <roycroft> they don't call me master of the obvious for nothing
[23:26:22] <PetefromTn_> what size you need?
[23:26:33] <PetefromTn_> I have a couple reamers
[23:26:33] <roycroft> enco
[23:26:55] <Connor> 0.3125"
[23:26:56] <roycroft> but i always look on ebay first
[23:27:14] <PetefromTn_> meh sorry don't have that size
[23:27:23] <PetefromTn_> can you not bore the hole?
[23:27:40] <Connor> that's 5/16
[23:27:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know
[23:27:51] <Connor> Yea. It's for coupler.
[23:27:54] <Connor> would rather ream it out.
[23:28:08] <PetefromTn_> are you making a home built coupler?
[23:28:28] <Connor> No. Will be opening up existing ones that are threaded.
[23:28:39] <Connor> let me check something.
[23:28:42] <PetefromTn_> we can turn it in the lathe probably..
[23:29:35] <Connor> Hmm.. I may have to order new ones..
[23:29:45] <Connor> The old ones are Tapped M8 1.25
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[23:31:22] <PetefromTn_> M8 major diameter is .28299 max apparently
[23:31:46] <Connor> okay. So, it's double then ..
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[23:32:16] <PetefromTn_> actually it is .3149 sorry
[23:32:35] <PetefromTn_> so it is larger than 5/16 apparently
[23:32:48] <Connor> by about .0025"
[23:33:19] <Connor> and, then consider it's tapped, so half the material than normal.
[23:33:46] <jdh> three set screws
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[23:34:33] <PetefromTn_> I gotta make a special Ebay ad for a shipping to New Zealand and I never had done that before.... LOL
[23:36:53] <Connor> jdh: Got the stuff you sent.. 2 large sections 1 small, terminal strips, SSR DIN plate.. and my first Shark Tooth! :)
[23:36:57] <Connor> Thanks!
[23:37:05] <Connor> Wife loved the shark tooth
[23:38:27] <jdh> cool.
[23:38:50] <jdh> there were two small ones, but one seems to be on my garage floor
[23:38:53] <Connor> Did you say you found a section of that on the garage floor ?
[23:38:58] <Connor> Ah.
[23:39:03] <Connor> okay. No biggie.
[23:44:30] <Connor> $15.00 per hub.. I probably could re-cycle 1 of the old ones for the Z since it's 3/8" so.. $30.00 more dollars..
[23:44:52] <jdh> oldhams?
[23:44:58] <Connor> may use the old ones for a bit.. not that big of a deal since they're oldhams.
[23:45:25] <jdh> what do have that is 3125?
[23:45:44] <Connor> That's the size of the shaft on the ballscrew
[23:46:03] <jdh> oh. mine are 8mm? something like that
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[23:48:03] <Connor> Should be 5/16 if your using the C7's from LMB2008
[23:48:30] <Connor> 7.937mm
[23:48:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5x8mm-CNC-Motor-Jaw-Shaft-Coupler-5mm-To-8mm-Coupling-OD-20x25mm-HM-/201166795620 how many minutes does it take to EDM the spiral on these?
[23:49:15] <Connor> The ones I've seen look to be done using a slitting saw.
[23:50:06] <CaptHindsight> I guess the ones from China are sawed
[23:50:27] <jdh> 7.937mm is 2 thou less than 8mm
[23:50:46] <Connor> jdh 7.937 = 5/16 so.. Yea.
[23:50:57] <jdh> nice slip fit in an 8mm coupler.
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[23:51:03] <Connor> I just looked at the original C7 plans.. he calls for 5/16"
[23:51:34] <jdh> close enough.
[23:51:36] <Connor> Phase one calls for 1/4 to be tapped for M8
[23:51:47] <Connor> and 3/8 for the stepper shaft.
[23:52:04] <jdh> I got clamp-on couplers
[23:52:15] <Connor> AH. I got set screw ones.
[23:53:04] <jdh> Now I don't remember. I've touched a lot of couplers since then
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[23:53:17] <Connor> I'll order the stock for the extensions some time this week and make another date with PetefromTn_ to make the mounts and stuff.
[23:53:42] <jdh> I got whatever teh other ones he had in the suggested part numbers
[23:53:49] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5PCS-CNC-19x22mm-Motor-Shaft-Coupler-19mm-to-22mm-Flexible-Couplings-OD-56x64mm-/160982270890?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item257b4a83aa These are like the ones I used in the Cincinatti.
[23:54:21] <Connor> those are clamp style disks.. massive couplers..
[23:54:36] <PetefromTn_> yup so far so good ;)
[23:54:57] <PetefromTn_> they are a tad noisy tho since the little plates in between kinda float
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[23:55:39] <jdh> I couldn't crack the bolts holding the column on mine.
[23:55:40] <Connor> I think I'm going to real happy after making these final modifications..
[23:55:58] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah ballscrews are da shit...
[23:56:11] <PetefromTn_> zero backlash is even better LOL
[23:56:26] <Connor> Yea.. I'm going to have to take it apart and hole it over toe Pete's house in 3 parts.. base, Column and spindle..
[23:56:29] <PetefromTn_> faster smoother and more precise.
[23:56:31] <Connor> oh.. and table..
[23:56:35] <Connor> 4 parts
[23:56:51] <jdh> were your column bolts tight?
[23:57:08] <Connor> Yes. I'll have to use a socket hex and a cheater bar.
[23:57:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah man you can carry each part in the palm of your hand ;)
[23:57:50] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Hush. It isn't THAT small.
[23:58:00] <PetefromTn_> haha
[23:58:05] <jdh> that's why I didn't clean out the casting material for my Y
[23:58:14] <PetefromTn_> BBL
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[23:59:04] <Connor> I'll have to find a way to support the tray.. it's held on via the 4 bolts that hold the base on.. and when I take them out.. it's going to go BOOM because the computer and stuff is mounted on the bottom of the tray.