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[01:15:33] <somenewguy> jog continusuly at an abusrly slow rate, whatever minimum wont throw an error? see if motors power up, then slowly ramp up till you can do ur calibration?
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[01:45:12] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrawnH7UVeM&list=UUTuyvr4hC8gBLHdqYFXVO4Q
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[03:45:21] <skunkworks> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/889592677/tribot-3d-print-cnc-mill-auto-mold-machine-in-one?ref=recommended
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[03:55:46] <XXCoder> all in one: 4 machines that could do 1/4 the job
[03:55:48] <XXCoder> skunkworks:
[03:55:59] <XXCoder> seriously thats interesting
[03:57:19] <skunkworks> I just notice they used linuxcnc
[03:57:50] <XXCoder> it has injection built in too?
[03:59:28] <skunkworks> magical
[04:00:05] <XXCoder> $299 gets me print head :P
[04:00:16] <XXCoder> $1499 for weekend at team
[04:00:34] <XXCoder> $3999 finally gets me device, but not quite, its conversion
[04:00:49] <XXCoder> $4995 FINALLY gets a complete machine
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[06:50:18] <Deejay> moin
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[07:10:39] <ssi> weeee, home
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[08:19:01] <MacGalempsy> Evening
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[10:58:56] <MacGalempsy> Anyone up?
[11:00:05] <jthornton> nope
[11:00:15] <gonzo__> no, it went down hours ago
[11:00:47] <Jymmm> gonzo__: Viagra.com
[11:00:49] <MacGalempsy> :)
[11:01:28] <MacGalempsy> Any cool projects going on?
[11:01:34] <gonzo__> just think about 5axis millers
[11:02:15] <MacGalempsy> We just moved to nw arkansas
[11:02:45] <jthornton> some nice bike riding roads over there
[11:03:30] <MacGalempsy> Yes! Still dealing with selling the old house
[11:03:58] <MacGalempsy> Okc to Fayetteville is getting to be an old drive
[11:04:27] <jthornton> we like staying at the Hub near Jasper when we go down there
[11:04:58] <MacGalempsy> Do you float the buffalo?
[11:05:29] <jthornton> I don't float any more
[11:06:23] <MacGalempsy> The fall colors are great
[11:08:11] <MacGalempsy> What kind of bike do you ride?
[11:08:45] <jthornton> usually my GL1800 but often my Spyder RT
[11:09:40] <MacGalempsy> You coming down for bikes blues and bbq?
[11:10:43] <jthornton> no, we are going to Kentucky for a Spyder thing
[11:11:11] <jthornton> I don't like going to big events... just too crowded
[11:11:19] <MacGalempsy> I havent been in 7 years or so
[11:11:35] <MacGalempsy> They say its out of control
[11:15:11] <MacGalempsy> So its been about a year since I last worked on the cnc
[11:15:45] <MacGalempsy> Has the wizard been updated on the latest build?
[11:16:34] <jthornton> which one?
[11:17:18] <MacGalempsy> I think its a mesa 7877 if I remember right
[11:18:09] <MacGalempsy> The electrician cant be there for a few weeks
[11:19:31] <jthornton> that would be Pncconf and yes it gets regular updates
[11:20:26] <MacGalempsy> Very cool. I hope this attempt at getting it going is successful
[11:23:38] <MacGalempsy> Well its bed time here. Have a good day guys.
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[12:10:29] <lair82> Good Morning Gentlemen, We have a big issue with main utility power in our area, frequent power outages, and was wondering what would be the best course of action to protect the pc's in my machines. Over the weekend we we had a decent storm come thru, and this morning all of the machines were off. When it came to the one turning center with linux on it, I couldn't get it to start, it won't boot up.
[12:11:20] <Tom_itx> good surge protectors along with a UPS
[12:11:39] <lair82> I cycled the power, and now it won't even attempt to start. I'm thinking the MB is torched. I see DIN rail mount surge protectors, is that the way to go?
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[12:16:15] <lair82> Could I use a snubber, such as PN# RCS2A-18 to help protect the MB with the over voltage issue. I have a ton of those laying around, here is a spec sheet, http://www.galco.com/techdoc/rkel/rcs2a-18_dat.pdf
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[12:37:23] <cpresser_> lair82: check the voltages of the psu with a multimeter
[12:37:56] <cpresser_> lair82: try to start the PC PCU by bridging the green wire, the check voltages
[12:38:28] <cpresser_> a normal power outage should not fry your components. however, a surge from a lightning strike could
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[12:43:37] <skunkworks> I have had a batch of cheap power supplies take every componant out when they went.. everything. (motherboard, hd, any cards plugged in)
[12:44:19] <skunkworks> I think the brand was 'blacksteel' or something like that
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[12:49:39] <archivist_herron> I had a cheap psu explode while testing a job, I think the vibration of the stepper on the bench rattled it apart
[12:50:42] <skunkworks> I think I had bought about 5 of them and after the first 3 went - I went out and found the rest and replaced them. I have never had any other supply fail like that.
[12:51:07] <skunkworks> must have forgot to put crowbars in them or something
[12:51:26] <skunkworks> I have to say - the where very light :)
[12:51:33] <skunkworks> they
[12:55:36] <archivist_herron> I think they skimp on everything in the cheaper supplies
[12:57:34] <skunkworks> I have been buying 'diablotek' supplies for a while now - no issues. (they are <$50)
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[13:16:49] <cpresser_> its hard to find good AC adaptors. just take a look at this: http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/acadapter.html
[13:17:25] <cpresser_> the guy who does the website also has some youtube videos ranting about crappy chinese PSUs
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[13:33:19] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[13:33:46] <Loetmichel> thats why we put them in metal enclosures... for extended temperature range...
[13:33:52] <Loetmichel> @ cpresser_
[13:34:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14778
[13:34:09] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14595
[13:35:29] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14154 <- and thats how a REAL 90W dell PSU looks from the inside
[13:37:17] <cpresser_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T88ej64aXUM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F3XlFI1JBo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU63UiZEQZ8
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[13:39:52] <cpresser_> watching this guy rant over badly engineered electronics helps me to improve my own designs :)
[13:42:22] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[13:42:32] <Loetmichel> especially with the whiney voice
[13:42:42] <Loetmichel> i have some of these cheap 5V psus, too
[13:43:02] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8991&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[13:43:09] <Loetmichel> and thats all that was in there...
[13:43:28] <Loetmichel> lucily ir wouldn work in germany because the pins wouldnt fit a german plug ;-)
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[13:46:06] <lair82> After checking and checking, the wiring coming from the Power button pins on the MB going to a relay to start the pc, was broke off at the terminal. It didn't look that way when I kept trying to get the MB to start. Thanks for the help guys, but I think I still need to address the power issue with the surge problems.
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[13:47:08] <CaptHindsight> the engineering philosophy is just get it to last the warranty period or make it not worth their effort to return it back to China
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[13:47:53] <CaptHindsight> they know it only costs them $1 to ship it west but we have to pay several $ to send it back for a refund or exchange
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[13:56:29] <Loetmichel> oh shit... there goes the HDD. *click.click.click.click.click.click.click.click* and windows hangs... cu guys, may take a while to come back...
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[14:11:55] <Loetmichel> hmmm... scandisk: no errors. Hdtune error scan: running. Hdtune SMART: all fine?!? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15304 DId i imagine the clicking and the windows freezing?
[14:16:41] <cradek> check that your backups are up to date and then don't worry about it
[14:22:23] <jdh> backups? what backups?
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[14:23:41] <cradek> well then at least watch your zfs pool's status, so you can see the number of bytes of data lost and on what devices, so you can replace any failing disk
[14:24:54] <cradek> or if you have a hot spare, the data will migrate to it automatically if a disk gets too faily
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[14:39:11] <Loetmichel> cradek: [16:16] <Loetmichel> *starting a windows backup run to the server now* ;)
[14:39:11] <Loetmichel> [16:16] <PigmonkeY> good man :P
[14:39:52] <Loetmichel> cradek: did you click on the picture link?
[14:40:06] <Loetmichel> disk says 0 pending, 0 reallocated after reboot
[14:40:13] <Loetmichel> THAT is what i am wondering about
[14:40:18] <PetefromTn_> Morning folks..
[14:40:36] <Loetmichel> running a surface scan now, lets see if any pending appearing after that ;-)
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[15:31:32] <ssi> morn pete
[15:31:39] <ssi> late morn anyway :)
[15:34:33] <PetefromTn_> Hey man hows it goin?
[15:34:46] <ssi> I'm beat
[15:34:46] <Connor> Hey PetefromTn_
[15:34:58] <Connor> How did the rest of the night go ?
[15:35:10] <ssi> pretty well
[15:35:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too I am really tired..
[15:35:56] <PetefromTn_> we managed to get both of the spindle pullies drilled and tapped on your little fourth axis in the VMC..
[15:35:57] <ssi> I got home about 3:15, got to bed at 4:30
[15:36:05] <PetefromTn_> damn..
[15:36:08] <Connor> My Right Arm, Shoulder and Neck are killing me.. Always bad when I first get up.. wish this pinched nerve would go away.
[15:36:28] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Nice. How well did it work ?
[15:36:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah man sorry you were having such physical issues..
[15:36:39] <PetefromTn_> how did what work?
[15:36:42] <ssi> I think you might want to remake that spacer in steel eventually
[15:36:50] <Connor> The Turn table.
[15:36:57] <ssi> it flexes visibly under drill pressure
[15:36:57] <roycroft> hey folks
[15:37:12] <Connor> Damn. That sucks.
[15:37:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah it flexes downward under the drill pressure unfortunately..
[15:37:16] <roycroft> so i'm still working on fitting the support bearins on my ball screws
[15:37:26] <roycroft> well, i just started that this weekend
[15:37:38] <PetefromTn_> it could be those tee nuts they give you I was thinking last night..
[15:37:39] <roycroft> with the 350mm ball screw i have two choices:
[15:37:48] <roycroft> 1. remove the nut and chuck it in the lathe
[15:37:48] <PetefromTn_> aren't they sheetmetal or something?
[15:38:04] <roycroft> 2. chuck it in a drill
[15:38:28] <Connor> I don't think so.. They' look like steel.. but, the do have a upper part that's just round...
[15:38:55] <roycroft> i just need to take a tiny bit off the shaft - i was going to use 1000 grit sandpaper - so that it's a slip fit intead of a press fit
[15:39:05] <roycroft> would using a drill be all that bad?
[15:39:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I wondered if between the largish chuck and the double spacers we machined there is just too much leverage and they might be flexing a little? I dunno it worked tho
[15:39:29] <ssi> roycroft: no that'd be fine... you could also just do that by hand; you won't remove enough material with sandpaper to affect the roundness
[15:39:32] <Connor> Drilling is a hard operation.
[15:39:43] <roycroft> that's what i was thinking, ssi
[15:39:45] <ssi> Connor: it's usable as is
[15:39:54] <ssi> Connor: you'll just want to think about making a steel one at some point
[15:39:57] <Connor> with something cantilevered out that much..
[15:40:08] <ssi> and maybe coming up with another way to do those screws so it can be shorter
[15:40:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah we drilled and tapped all the holes with it no problem.
[15:40:12] <roycroft> and from what i've found out about those nuts (they don't have the return tubes - they have the plastic guide "plugs") i really want to avoid removing a nut
[15:40:20] <Connor> Cool.
[15:40:30] <Loetmichel> hmm, mountzing itz in the lathe isnt an option?
[15:40:36] <PetefromTn_> Honestly after using it and seeing it in the machine I am kinda wanting a fourth axis even more now LOL
[15:40:47] <Connor> I need to talk to my doctor about the over-heating issue I'm having.. I swear..
[15:40:58] <roycroft> i suppose i could mount the short one with the nut in front of the chuck
[15:41:02] <Loetmichel> with the help of copper wire wound in the thread to use the bottom of the thread as center, not the top of the thread?
[15:41:09] <PetefromTn_> It worked out good and sat above the kurt vise actually... Pretty cool really.
[15:41:21] <PetefromTn_> If it were an eight incher you might not be getting it back ;)
[15:41:36] <Connor> Cool. I wish I could have saw it in action.. and saw how you set it up..
[15:41:41] <ssi> roycroft: just wrap some masking tape around the nut to hold it in position on the screw if you're gonna spin it in the lathe
[15:41:46] <roycroft> yeah
[15:41:53] <ssi> Connor: it's still set up prolly, you can likely get pete to send you a picture :)
[15:42:02] <Loetmichel> ... and a second person on the back of the lathe with a piece of cloth holding the end of the thread so it cant "swing up"
[15:42:24] <ssi> or a spider on the back of the spindle
[15:42:27] <PetefromTn_> its dead simple really. Bolted it to that large angle plate, bolted that plate down to the table in the machine, and then indicated along the Y axis behind the rotab edge to be square to the axis...
[15:42:28] <roycroft> i don't have a second person to help
[15:42:34] <roycroft> but i do have the rear support bearing
[15:42:36] <Connor> Probably a little funny looking tiny 4" table in that large machine. ;)
[15:42:47] <roycroft> i'm going to attach that to the long screws, and clamp it to something
[15:42:49] <PetefromTn_> meh it did the job
[15:43:02] <PetefromTn_> your pulley is here and drilled and tapped LOL
[15:43:02] <ssi> I need to find a chuck for my 6" table
[15:43:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah and then donate it to my favorite charity LOL
[15:43:25] <Loetmichel> if you want to turn the bearing sits on the end of the ballscrew i would use the copper wire every time
[15:43:27] <ssi> Connor: the 3 holes in the spindle pulley worked out GREAT
[15:43:34] <ssi> all three set screws engage a spline
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[15:43:37] <ssi> and they all fell in a valley
[15:43:42] <Loetmichel> the outer diameter is mearly never concentric to the thread!
[15:43:42] <Connor> What was the proses of lining up the Y axis to the center of the chuck ?
[15:43:59] <Connor> ssi Great! :)
[15:44:01] <ssi> putting a bar in the jaws and center finding it
[15:44:01] <PetefromTn_> oh just put the ground rod in the chuck and used my edgefinder.
[15:44:13] <PetefromTn_> on both sides to find the center..
[15:44:20] <PetefromTn_> piece of crumb cake.
[15:44:23] <ssi> :)
[15:44:40] <Connor> Yea, nothing ever works out that easily for me.
[15:44:51] <PetefromTn_> I really enjoyed having you guys here this weekend and it was very nice to meet you finally in person SSI.
[15:44:56] <ssi> roycroft: I turned all the bearing journals on my ballscrews by fixturing them in a 5C collet in a spin index and spinning them on my surface grinder
[15:45:08] <ssi> PetefromTn_: likewise, I had a great time, and we got a lot done
[15:45:13] <PetefromTn_> I am so pleased my spindle encoder is finally installed.
[15:45:18] <ssi> Connor: thanks for the help; I hope I can get this machine going soon
[15:45:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think we did okay.
[15:45:27] <PetefromTn_> Maybe we can do it again sometime.
[15:45:46] <ssi> yeah
[15:45:49] <Connor> I think we did good. Got two of my projects done, Three for SSI, and one for you pete.
[15:45:58] <PetefromTn_> yup
[15:46:13] <PetefromTn_> that spindle encoder was very important to me and it looks great.
[15:46:14] <ssi> that tophat is definitely crooked
[15:46:18] <ssi> I may have to remake it
[15:46:22] <Connor> wait, not 4 for SSI.
[15:46:25] <PetefromTn_> I know damn that suck.
[15:46:26] <Connor> Is it.. Dang.
[15:46:32] <ssi> it's no big deal
[15:46:37] <ssi> gives me incentive to get the hardinge going
[15:46:47] <PetefromTn_> how did you crash the tool in it?
[15:46:47] <ssi> I can make that part in one operation on the hardinge
[15:47:00] <PetefromTn_> yup simple part really.
[15:47:09] <ssi> should have been running MUCH slower for the first threading pass
[15:47:11] <PetefromTn_> just that funky internal fine thread up to a shoulder.
[15:47:12] <ssi> it hit the bottom of the bore
[15:47:18] <PetefromTn_> aah okay.
[15:47:36] <Connor> Pete, look around for my Pin Wrench when you get a chance.. I can't find it.. I thought it was in the Car, or at home.. but.. I may have pulled it out First Day I was there..
[15:47:41] <PetefromTn_> I usually go from inside out when I do a shoulder like that. Use a Dail indicator to know where to start.
[15:48:06] <PetefromTn_> I already cleaned up the whole shop and never saw anything that was not mine.
[15:48:16] <PetefromTn_> but I will look again.
[15:48:22] <Connor> ssi: You could bore it out a tad more.. and maybe use set screws to hold it in.
[15:48:48] <ssi> it's no biggie; I think it'll work as is, and if not, I can remake it
[15:48:57] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I'm not sure I had the option to run it inside out
[15:49:21] <PetefromTn_> why?
[15:49:26] <ssi> with the tool facing toward the operator, running inside out would give you a left thread
[15:49:32] <ssi> and that tool couldn't be used the other direction
[15:49:47] <ssi> would have had to grind another threading tool
[15:49:51] <PetefromTn_> huh I would have to look at it myself.
[15:49:59] <archivist> put tool upside down to reverse cut
[15:50:03] <PetefromTn_> I will take your word for it tho.
[15:50:07] <Connor> flip the tool over, and and run it on the backside of the part.
[15:50:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah there you go..
[15:50:29] <PetefromTn_> I am sure I have done it before..
[15:50:32] <ssi> I don't think that'll work either
[15:50:45] <ssi> if you flip it over and run it on the back side, you'll still have to turn the spindle the same way
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[15:50:47] <PetefromTn_> I have turned lots of threads internal and external on that lathe.
[15:50:49] <ssi> and it'll still be a left thread
[15:50:53] <archivist> but working up to a shoulder is a linuxcnc speciality
[15:51:06] <ssi> archivist: if only linuxcnc had been giving me a hand on that one ;)
[15:51:08] <PetefromTn_> LOL too bad its not a CNC lathe..
[15:51:27] <ssi> PetefromTn_: better order them servos! :)
[15:51:28] <jdh> it could be
[15:51:41] <ssi> nah just throw it on a trailer and bring it down, and lets go get that turning center
[15:51:44] <PetefromTn_> naah... I am going to sell it and buy a commercial machine.
[15:51:53] <PetefromTn_> Now you're talking...
[15:51:56] <ssi> :)
[15:52:15] <PetefromTn_> Hell if you want it I will even bring it down when I come down to see your toys :D
[15:52:48] <ssi> was talking to dan about trying to fetch that sabre last night
[15:52:48] <PetefromTn_> That was pretty fun..
[15:52:59] <jdh> ssi: I thought you had a cnc'ed 12x with servos
[15:53:20] <ssi> no?
[15:53:21] <PetefromTn_> that would be cool..
[15:53:22] <archivist> I just fixed my hobbing machine vfd noise problem, added pullups to the encoder lines :)
[15:53:28] <ssi> I have a g0602 10x22 with steppers
[15:53:31] <ssi> and I have an HNC
[15:53:40] <jdh> oh yeah, 0602. nevermind.
[15:53:41] <PetefromTn_> and a plasma CNC table
[15:53:45] <ssi> yes
[15:53:46] <PetefromTn_> and a laser CNC table
[15:53:49] <ssi> yes
[15:53:55] <PetefromTn_> and god knows what else.
[15:53:58] <archivist> and a partridge in a pear tree
[15:54:00] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[15:54:10] <Connor> okay guys.. I have to do some work.. back in a bit.
[15:54:10] <ssi> thats it that runs :)
[15:54:23] <ktchk> Anyone have a hobbymat md65 lathe converted??
[15:54:31] <PetefromTn_> I gotta get these parts brushed finished here.
[15:54:46] <PetefromTn_> and drill and tap four holes so I can deliver these parts to my customer.
[15:54:47] <archivist> ktchk, that is one lathe never worth converting
[15:54:52] <PetefromTn_> Talk later guys..
[15:55:01] <ktchk> archivist: why?
[15:55:04] <archivist> ktchk, I scrapped one
[15:55:12] <archivist> chatter
[15:55:21] <ktchk> archivist: how bad is it
[15:55:27] <archivist> poor manufacturing of the slides
[15:55:45] <archivist> bad tailstock locking
[15:55:59] <jdh> sounds like my 9x
[15:56:22] <ktchk> archivist: I just got one free.
[15:57:12] <archivist> free is the correct price, what I did with mine http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_02_03_cnc/P2030012.JPG
[15:57:52] <archivist> the headstock and spindle is not too bad, didnt like the noisy motor either
[15:58:32] <ktchk> archivist: the motor is dead anyway
[15:59:26] <ktchk> archivist: you put slide rails into it?
[15:59:57] <archivist> yes, the column was too flexible so needed stiffening http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_07_10_cnc_with_LCD_P4/IMG_0268.JPG
[16:00:06] <ktchk> archivist:and made it a z axis
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[16:00:33] <archivist> and sold the crap bits on ebay...naughty boy
[16:02:03] <archivist> for some reason they seem popular, but they cannot take a decent bite on a chunk of metal
[16:02:03] <ktchk> archivist: If I have to replace the motor with 3 phase and vfd how many hp needed?
[16:02:34] <archivist> I think I have 1/2 hp as a milling machine
[16:03:41] <ktchk> archivist: thanks
[16:04:01] <archivist> my motor is too large to fit in the original hole
[16:04:25] <ssi> archivist: what's the green guy in the back?
[16:04:50] <archivist> ssi, Mikron hobbing machine
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[16:05:27] <archivist> I didnt get to bring that home when we cleared the clockworks
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[16:07:01] <ssi> aw
[16:08:04] <archivist> I got the tiny barber colman S type :)
[16:08:29] <archivist> which is about to cut its first gears
[16:09:01] <archivist> in decades, it was never used at the clockworks
[16:12:40] <ssi> I dunno what I should try to accomplish today
[16:12:53] <jdh> mow the lawn
[16:13:03] <archivist> neva
[16:15:51] <archivist> md65 before and the parts I put on fleabay http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=md65
[16:17:03] <archivist> the revolting leadscrew is the other hate, cannot fast traverse, hard work with 1mm pitch
[16:19:13] <ktchk> archivist: can put a 4mm ball screw on it
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[16:19:44] <archivist> possibly depends on diameter
[16:20:07] <ktchk> archivist: 1604
[16:20:18] <archivist> last item made on the md65 top worm http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_Gear_cutting_examples/p1010066.jpg
[16:20:46] <archivist> ktchk, I dont remember the diameter off hand
[16:21:37] <archivist> with a stepper drive the pitch does not matter so much
[16:22:36] <ktchk> archivist: What about the brass nut in the screw
[16:23:31] <archivist> that is in the crossslide with a grubscrew to hold it,
[16:24:05] <ktchk> archivist: need replacement?
[16:24:31] <archivist> mine is still in use on the Z
[16:24:59] <archivist> I am expecting it to wear out
[16:25:08] <ktchk> archivist : with back lash
[16:25:54] <archivist> there is so much weight on Z that backlash is not much of a problem
[16:27:17] <archivist> it is in order to remove backlash with springs, it was common in some machines if the cutting arrangement was not against the spring
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[16:43:38] <ssi> gah now I want a bunch of people to come here and kick my ass into getting stuff made
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[16:45:32] <ssi> so, does anyone have any insight into what it costs to pay a rigger to move a small VMC?
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[17:05:28] <ktchk> archivist: Can you switch to heekscad and chat
[17:07:45] <cpresser_> that would be nice for a retrofit: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Industrieroboter-G15-mit-VRS1-Steuerung-/111461312850?pt=Industriemaschinen&hash=item19f39ca952
[17:08:12] <cpresser_> but i dont have the means of transportation and workshop-space :/
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[17:11:18] <ssi> cpresser_: that would be funnnn
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[17:11:28] <ssi> PETE
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[17:12:00] <cpresser_> ssi: look at the second picture... that cabinet is 2meter high
[17:12:32] <ssi> yeah, it's a sizable bastard
[17:12:40] <ssi> not any worse than this damn VMC I'm trying to buy
[17:12:54] <ssi> actually way better
[17:13:01] <ssi> 600kg for the machine, 470kg for the control?
[17:13:04] <ssi> that's less than my hardinge :)
[17:13:25] <ssi> problem is, it's in germany :(
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[17:14:03] <cpresser_> its a 5-6h drive from my shop
[17:14:08] <ssi> git it
[17:14:51] <cpresser_> i could rent a 3.5tons transport truck. but how to load/unload it?
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[17:14:56] <ssi> forklift
[17:15:12] <ssi> hell, an engine crane would do it
[17:15:16] <ssi> 600kg is nothing
[17:15:45] <cpresser_> engine crane could do... but a forklift ist not available :/
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[17:23:15] <ssi> it'd be interesting to try to sling it under a crane
[17:23:16] <ssi> you know
[17:23:21] <ssi> best bet would be to rent a box truck with a lift gate
[17:23:24] <ssi> and use a pallet jack
[17:23:30] <CaptHindsight> cpresser_: do you have tiltbed tow trucks there?
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[17:24:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.governmentauctions.org/uploaded_images/flatbed-724014.jpg
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[17:25:01] <cpresser_> yes, there are tow-trucks in germany as well. but I dont own one^^
[17:25:48] <CaptHindsight> I've moved several machines that size without any forklift
[17:25:53] <cpresser_> but i could ask a towing company to arrange the transport^^
[17:25:55] <ssi> yeah that's how we moved my bridgeport
[17:26:21] <CaptHindsight> use the winch to slide it up and down
[17:26:42] <cpresser_> trucks with a lift are quite common here: http://nordmanoever.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/lkw-mit-hebebuhne-17.jpg but i am not allowed to drive them :/
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[17:27:13] <CaptHindsight> use ~30mm solid rounds or skates to move it
[17:28:02] <cpresser_> once its on a pallet, i can move it with a device like this: http://www.hebezeug-service-haase.de/images/produkte/gabelhubwagen2.jpg
[17:28:23] <Jymmm> cpresser_: That's a pallet jack (fyi)
[17:28:38] <CaptHindsight> even easier if you have one
[17:28:47] <cpresser_> Jymmm: thx. we have like 10 different names for that in germany :P
[17:28:56] <ssi> cpresser_: it's already more or less skidded
[17:28:58] <ssi> the arm is anyway
[17:29:02] <ssi> so is the cabinet
[17:29:07] <ssi> so you can move them as is with a pallet jack
[17:29:10] <Jymmm> cpresser_: We have manual ones, electric ones, etc in the states.
[17:29:51] <CaptHindsight> in the old days they would use 1-2 heavy slaves to grease the path (after crushing)
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[17:30:21] <CaptHindsight> then a few more would pull the ropes
[17:31:12] <CaptHindsight> that might have been the pyramids but you get the point
[17:31:33] <cpresser_> yes. i only need friends with free time for that :)
[17:31:33] <Jymmm> cpresser_: If you have to move in a place with tight constraints, you can use solid rod bars, to strong pipe. Just have a bunch of rods, get one underneith, place one about 3" in front of it and keep doing this to the path where you eventually want the mill to be. Like This sorts o o o o o o o o
[17:32:06] <Jymmm> cpresser_: It's how we used to move safes.
[17:32:07] <cpresser_> Jymmm: i did that with my laser-cutter. with 20mm pipe as rollers
[17:32:15] <cpresser_> like the pyramids :)
[17:32:39] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Yep, simplest things are sometimes the best =)
[17:32:54] <ssi> machine skates are just fancy pipes :)
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[17:35:16] <Jymmm> YAY! I got my youtube download links back =)
[17:36:30] <CaptHindsight> https://www.acklandsgrainger.com/images/items/zoom/11JP46_AS01.JPG the last ones I used were similar
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[17:40:34] <CaptHindsight> it definitely helps if you have a smooth sealed shop floor, I can soap down mine and slide machines using a Walk Behind Electric Forklift http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/221242382920
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[18:29:49] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: that only works if the machine has a flat bootom
[18:30:11] <Loetmichel> i personally like the roller "shoes" better.
[18:34:42] <SpeedEvil> I just use my hoverboard.
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[18:37:28] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: do you place the board under the machine or do you hover it over it and drop sky hooks?
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[18:44:54] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: he lifts the machine with one hand and shoves the board unter with the other ;-)
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[18:46:50] <archivist> I shift lumps with rollers and http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FoxHunter-2-5-Ton-Capacity-Farm-Jack-48-Inch-Tractor-High-Lift-Lifting-Off-Road-/261503474499
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[18:53:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.tehpear.com/pictures/other/Machinery%20dollies%20in%20action%20003%20%28Medium%29.jpg looks like some DIY dollies used here
[18:53:18] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Over than a given. What machine isn't going to have a flat bottom that sits/mounts to the ground?
[18:53:19] <Jymmm> s/over/other/
[18:54:23] <archivist> lots just have feet/legs of some sort
[18:54:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.machineryskates.com/img/slider/slide3.jpg maybe some thing like this where the bottom isn
[18:54:34] <Jymmm> ah
[18:54:41] <archivist> I put planks between legs/feet to allow use of rollers
[18:55:46] <Jymmm> Yeah, that's what I would do.
[18:55:58] <Loetmichel> a lathe for example
[18:56:03] <Loetmichel> or one that has machine feet
[18:56:34] <Jymmm> couple of 2x6's would seem to do the job
[18:57:16] <archivist> I use builders planks, nice and wide
[18:58:03] <Jymmm> We're talking a one-off move. Unless I could borrow those fancy $200+ dollys/jacks, it's probably not gonna happen.
[19:00:10] <Jymmm> I guess one could use those car dolllys that sit under the tires
[19:01:28] <Jymmm> Something liek this: http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/400/464/464-2-1016-35.jpg or this http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/210191567/Wheel_dollies.jpg
[19:01:44] <Jymmm> (load distributed)
[19:03:58] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: whre is the problem to bend some 10mm steel plate and get a bunch of 6001 bearings and a bit of fitting round stock and make the dollys yourself?
[19:04:05] <Loetmichel> its no wizardry
[19:04:19] <Jymmm> I sorta like these dues to the tubular steel, you could connect them together by slipping a smaller tube inside and use a hitch pin or bolt. http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/2000x2000/148/148803_2000x2000.jpg
[19:04:28] <Loetmichel> or use fitting u-steel snipplets
[19:04:36] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I can't picture what you just descrbied.
[19:05:02] <Loetmichel> U steel, drill 4 28 mm holes in the sides
[19:05:12] <Loetmichel> flanges
[19:05:16] <Loetmichel> 2 left, 2 right
[19:05:38] <Loetmichel> on the late, take 30mm round steel, make 10mm shafts on the ends
[19:06:03] <Loetmichel> press one side bearing in, out the 20mm "wheel" in , press the other bearing in
[19:06:04] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: No lathe for one.
[19:06:21] <Tom_itx> what are you moving?
[19:06:29] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Nothing
[19:06:37] <Tom_itx> unfortunately the interweb was unplugged here all morning
[19:07:19] <Loetmichel> so use some fitting pipe and a 10mm round stock
[19:07:26] <Loetmichel> to get the middle up to 30mm
[19:08:00] <Loetmichel> i.e some 30mm pipe, then some pipe that fits snug in there, down to 10mm inner diameter
[19:08:19] <Loetmichel> and put the 10mm round stock thru the bearings AND the tubes
[19:08:21] <Loetmichel> works also
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[19:09:31] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: and attach the 30mm pipe how?
[19:09:41] <Loetmichel> by nothing
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[19:09:56] <Loetmichel> just by the wideness of the u steel
[19:10:16] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: And how much does this all cost if none of it is on hand?
[19:10:25] <Loetmichel> a few quid
[19:10:34] <Loetmichel> the bearings are less than 2 eur each
[19:10:44] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: and what prevents the bearings from coming off?
[19:11:07] <Loetmichel> the pressure needed to press them into the u profile
[19:11:40] <Jymmm> Sounds too complex. I'll stick with plank and dowels.
[19:11:46] <Loetmichel> but you can use M10 *150 screws in there and a nut to prevent the "shaft" from coming out
[19:12:00] <Loetmichel> do as you whisch
[19:12:03] <Loetmichel> whish
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[19:12:44] <Loetmichel> the andvantage of these machine rollers is that they can be steered
[19:12:55] <Loetmichel> which can not be done by the dowels
[19:13:26] <Jymmm> We've moved 1200lb safes using rods, just psoitioning then at varoius angles allows for a bit of steering.
[19:13:46] <Jymmm> Mind you all solid flat bottoms of course.
[19:14:41] <Jymmm> The bitch is when you need to move sideways 1/4" =)
[19:14:57] <cpresser_> crowbar ftw :)
[19:15:07] <Jymmm> cpresser_: BIG ASS crowbar =)
[19:15:22] <Jymmm> cpresser_: But sometimes this in person's home
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[19:37:16] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Then it's "Put this 1200lb safe in this cubby hole that only has 1/4" clearance, but don't fuck up my hard wood floors"
[19:38:11] <cpresser_> Jymmm: my response would be 'go fuck yourself'. or 'pay me for the special tools i need'
[19:38:21] <Jymmm> cpresser_: You can mae more money in the installation than the sale of the safe =)
[19:38:52] <Jymmm> Safe $2200, Delivery and Instalation $4500 =)
[19:39:58] <Jymmm> and they'll pay it as their putting into it like $40K worth of junk =)
[19:41:09] <Jymmm> You could toss a couple of bodies in these safes =)
[19:41:57] <Jymmm> One of the other guys bet me he could break out of one with only a pocket screwdriver, so I locked his ass in the safe and spun the dial.
[19:42:23] <Jymmm> The bastard was out in 15 minutes =)
[19:43:17] <cpresser_> how did he do it?
[19:44:11] <Rab> Mechanism exposed inside?
[19:44:11] <Jymmm> cpresser_: With ne of these http://www.pocketscrewdrivers.com//v/vspfiles/photos/2032RV-2T.jpg
[19:44:32] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Safes are not prisons. They are made to keep people from getting in, not out =)
[19:45:25] <Jymmm> cpresser_: That was the REAL lesson he was teaching me.
[19:45:57] <Jymmm> PLus he was a damn good lock/safe smith.
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[19:47:00] <Jymmm> There wasn't a lock he couldn't pick. I even specially keyed up a lock and instead of his normal 30seconds, it took him 2 minutes.
[19:47:44] <cpresser_> lockpicking is fun. I have the tools, but lack the skills. it takes me 30min to open one default lock
[19:48:13] <Jymmm> 30s for him was slow. Most of the time 12s.
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[20:53:48] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:03:16] <Tom_itx> Jymmm roll them on air bags
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[21:03:49] <Tom_itx> it's how they got alot of junk back in the water in New Orleans
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[21:58:57] <anarchos2> hi
[21:59:42] <anarchos2> so i bought a touch plate, hooked it up and it works somewhat (i can see the pin working in halshow) but i'm at a loss at how to actually do it....
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[22:01:06] <anarchos2> basically it has two wires, one hooked into a 5V source, one hooked into paraport pin 15. then on the plate side there's the plate which is connected to the wire that goes into pin 15, then the other wire is an alligator clip.
[22:01:53] <anarchos2> i'm assuming i'm suppost to hook the aligator clip into my spindle or wherever, so when the took touches it completes the circuit...but when i do that my limit switches get errors and my Z axis twitches...
[22:05:40] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: is anything else connected to pin 15?
[22:06:29] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: in your HAL file or in any other way? (used for a limit or home switch, etc etc)
[22:07:20] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: it might be a good idea to pastebin your HAL and INI as well if you're not sure
[22:08:00] <anarchos2> negative, pin 15 is all on it's own
[22:08:50] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: do you have access to a multimeter?
[22:09:01] <anarchos2> yup
[22:09:29] <anarchos2> i have on sitting beside me
[22:10:08] <CaptHindsight> whats the resistance across the two wires of the touch probe when the probe is in and not in contact?
[22:10:34] <CaptHindsight> so unhook it from power and the LPT pin 15
[22:10:45] <CaptHindsight> and then measure
[22:11:19] <CaptHindsight> lets find out if the probe has a series resistor
[22:11:34] <anarchos2> ok, just a sec
[22:13:40] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: are you using a breakout board for the LPT port?
[22:14:15] * JT-Shop is pooped out
[22:15:00] <anarchos2> CaptHindsight, yup
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[22:16:37] <anarchos2> so resistance between the plate and the black wire (which are directly connected is 0.65 ohm, resistance between the alligator clip and the white wire (directly connected) is 0.42ohm, so i think there is no resistor
[22:16:39] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: we need to find out how to wire up the probe based on if it is just a normally open switch switch and how your BOB is designed
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[22:16:53] <CaptHindsight> I agree
[22:17:06] <anarchos2> hmm
[22:18:17] <anarchos2> it's weird because my limit switches are mounted with double sided tape (and the bit that actually touches is plastic), so i don't think it's actually a grounding issue
[22:18:31] <anarchos2> must be the BOB leaking voltage to other pins somehow?
[22:18:38] <CaptHindsight> is pin 15 on your BOB a resistor in series with an opto?
[22:18:46] <CaptHindsight> which BOB is this?
[22:19:42] <CaptHindsight> some BOB's have pullup resistors on the opto inputs
[22:20:16] <anarchos2> http://cnc4pc.com/Tech_Docs/C35S_R1_USER%20MANUAL.pdf
[22:20:23] <anarchos2> CNC4PC.com C35S
[22:23:05] <anarchos2> it's weird because if i touch the alligator clip to the plate, everything works fine, no limit switch errors, etc...it's only when i'm grounding through the machine itself, which leads me to believe i've somehow not done something correctly
[22:23:11] <CaptHindsight> see page #8
[22:24:43] <anarchos2> yeah seems like that first diagram is saying i'm doing things correctly
[22:25:11] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: when the probe is touching a surface does it close the connection between the white and black wire?
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[22:26:49] <anarchos2> i'm not exactly sure what you mean...
[22:26:58] <CaptHindsight> have a pic of the probe?
[22:27:44] <CaptHindsight> what does the probe do? Is it a normally open switch with a black wire on one side and white on the other contact?
[22:28:55] <CaptHindsight> is the body of the probe conductive? Is there electrical continuity between any of the wires and the body of the probe that goes into the spindle?
[22:29:10] <anarchos2> ah sorry, it's actually a touch plate, not a probe
[22:29:29] <cpresser_> 23:59 < anarchos2> so i bought a touch plate, hooked it up and it works somewhat (i can see the pin working in halshow) but i'm at a loss at how to actually do it....
[22:29:37] <cpresser_> you neet to connect it motion.probe-in
[22:29:39] <cpresser_> (or similar)
[22:29:59] <CaptHindsight> so whats the theory of operation? what happens when the plate touches the surface?
[22:30:58] <anarchos2> so basically it's a conductive plate, no switch or anything. http://imgur.com/CvmPX8i
[22:31:53] <anarchos2> in theory (how i'm assuming it works) is that i connect the alligator to my spindle somewhere, then when the tool touches the plate, the circuit is closed
[22:32:27] <anarchos2> basically grounding through the machine itself
[22:36:50] <CaptHindsight> see page #12
[22:37:42] <anarchos2> hmm
[22:38:30] <anarchos2> so i need a resistor in there
[22:38:50] <CaptHindsight> which is only going to work if the tool is insulated from ground
[22:39:18] <anarchos2> by the looks of it, it is not. :/
[22:39:33] <CaptHindsight> your tool is most likely not :)
[22:39:51] <CaptHindsight> i love these horrid docs
[22:39:53] <anarchos2> well, shoot.
[22:40:38] <anarchos2> i wonder if i can find a 2.2k resistor locally, just to try
[22:40:45] <CaptHindsight> in your situation the black wire connects to the conductive pad
[22:41:06] <anarchos2> yes
[22:41:52] <anarchos2> so blackwire should be going to grn on my BOB, white wire should be going to +5 and pin 15 with a 2.2k resistor, i think?
[22:41:53] <CaptHindsight> so you would wire the black to pin 15 with a 2.2K from pin 15 to 5V
[22:42:51] <CaptHindsight> so pin 15 is pulled High to 5V when the tool is not in contact with the plate
[22:43:19] <anarchos2> oh i see, because of my grounding issue?
[22:43:29] <CaptHindsight> when the tool comes in contact with the plate it will pull pin 15 low
[22:44:02] <CaptHindsight> but you need a good ground connection between the tool and the ground for the BOB
[22:44:29] <anarchos2> hmm
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[22:48:16] <ssi> the mosquitoes the mosqitoes, the mosquitoes the mosquitoes
[22:48:25] <ssi> the mosquitoes ate my dead ass up
[22:48:27] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Touch_Probe
[22:48:42] <CaptHindsight> was pretty bad here yesterday as well
[22:49:40] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: net probe parport.0.pin-15-in-not => motion.probe-input since the signal is inverted (starts at 5V when probe is not in contact, goes to 0V when the probe makes contact)
[22:50:05] <anarchos2> yeah sweet, thanks
[22:50:05] <CaptHindsight> also called Active Low
[22:50:33] <anarchos2> i'm gonna have to see if i can scrounge up a resistor somewhere...living in a resort town has it's drawbacks :P
[22:50:43] <anarchos2> i wonder if the autoparts store might have some?
[22:50:55] <CaptHindsight> radio Shack
[22:51:31] <jdh> what resort town?
[22:51:35] <anarchos2> whistler
[22:51:37] <ssi> take something apart :)
[22:51:43] <anarchos2> no radio shack for 100km :P
[22:52:06] <CaptHindsight> yeah, creative scrounging
[22:53:01] <jdh> ssi: how many resistors within 20ft of you?
[22:53:15] <ssi> literally tens of thousands
[22:53:22] <anarchos2> lol :P
[22:53:34] <anarchos2> maybe i should buy a resistor kit
[22:53:47] <anarchos2> on hold with the autoparts store
[22:53:55] <jdh> not likely
[22:54:09] <jdh> repair shop or something maybe. teevee store
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[22:54:38] <ssi> let me revise that upward
[22:54:41] <ssi> literally hundreds of thousands
[22:54:42] <ssi> :(
[22:54:46] <jdh> wow
[22:55:17] <ssi> this is within arm's reach of my computer chair
[22:55:18] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByLBkcsIYAAfINC.jpg:large
[22:55:36] <jdh> wtf are you going to do with that?
[22:55:42] <ssi> let's put it this way
[22:55:49] <ssi> they're a dime apiece
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[22:55:54] <ssi> or $7 for a reel of 5k
[22:56:16] <ssi> so I design with common values, and I buy reels
[22:56:30] <ssi> I have thirty or forty reels aronud the house
[22:57:04] <anarchos2> welp, autoparts store has informed me that there's a new electrical supply place in town!
[22:57:09] <jdh> where do you get $7 reels?
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[22:58:40] <ssi> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/RC0603JR-071KL/311-1.0KGRTR-ND/726677
[22:58:46] <CaptHindsight> as a child we would ride the trolley bus to the electronics parts store
[22:58:54] <ssi> $6.65 :)
[22:59:05] <jdh> wow
[22:59:23] <jdh> it would never occur to me to look for a 5k item price break
[22:59:31] <ssi> reel pricing :)
[22:59:46] <jdh> hard to imagine they can make them that cheap.
[22:59:54] <ssi> not much to them
[23:00:02] <jdh> no, but stilll
[23:00:04] <CaptHindsight> well it's surface mount
[23:01:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CF14JT2K20/CF14JT2K20TR-ND/1741321 a bit more for through hole
[23:01:59] <jdh> what form do 5k through hole come in?
[23:02:06] <jdh> neatly arranged or bagged?
[23:02:27] <ssi> tape and reel
[23:02:56] <jdh> oh, it does say that
[23:04:27] <CaptHindsight> heh, Giant Box-O-Resistors
[23:04:46] <Tom_itx> usually cut tape
[23:04:51] <ssi> still, a half penny apiece for through-hole quarter watt resistors is pretty damn cheep
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[23:04:57] <jdh> yeah
[23:05:00] <lorenl> hello
[23:05:02] <ssi> Tom_itx: the 5k break is almost certainly an uncut reel
[23:05:05] <jdh> but, I don't need 5k of anything
[23:05:13] <Tom_itx> get em off ebay for cheeeep
[23:05:16] <jdh> I don't need the ~5k of ones I already have
[23:05:32] <ssi> I don't either, but a reel of 0603 resistors is cheap enough and more convenient than keeping up with little bits of cut tape
[23:05:43] <lorenl> I'm working on an old CNC router that uses a DOS program for g-code interpretation
[23:05:46] <CaptHindsight> sell them for $10 per 1K on ebay
[23:06:01] <lorenl> I found the full documentation on it's native language and can control it from a terminal.
[23:06:04] <jdh> lorenl: and you want to switch to linuxncc?
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[23:06:27] <lorenl> I think what I might need next is a g-code interpreter I can use to make a custom translator.
[23:07:01] <jdh> what is its native language?
[23:07:06] <lorenl> I'm looking at LinuxCNC to see what it could do for me.
[23:07:22] <jdh> most likely everything.
[23:08:22] <lorenl> It's documented in this PDF.
[23:08:25] <lorenl> http://bit.ly/1pb2SEi
[23:08:40] <lorenl> I'm successfully running the sample programs from it starting on page 21.
[23:09:29] <lorenl> I'd like to avoid replacing the motor controller board on it just to get native G-code support if possible.
[23:12:01] <jdh> it looks like you could probably get a $15 breakout board and drive it directly from a parallel port with linuxcnc
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[23:19:21] <lorenl> This is using 4A bipolar steppers with limit switched and a relay box for the router.
[23:20:25] <jdh> use the existing drivers, just bypass the controller using the diagram on the last page.
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[23:26:47] <lorenl> OK, I'll look at that as an option.
[23:27:19] <jdh> vs?
[23:27:33] <lorenl> Last question on that, is there any software g-code virtual machines I could look at as an alt?
[23:28:01] <jdh> that does what?
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[23:42:54] <lorenl> I'm picturing something like how Ghostscript software is used a Postscript interpreter which then renders the output into another format for Printer drivers.
[23:43:20] <lorenl> Is there something that can interpret g-code and try and rerender it in another language.
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[23:44:31] <jdh> not that I know of. Doesn't seem like it would solve a general problem. Usually you want to convert other things to gcode
[23:45:10] * SpeedEvil wants a G-code to Klingon poetry converter.
[23:45:18] <jdh> might try the reprab/grbl/wtf guys.
[23:45:26] <jdh> SpeedEvil: vogon poetry
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[23:54:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Need airbag hockey table thingy
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[23:56:55] <Tom_itx> i'm sure you've seen those round air bags they use...
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