#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-08-31

[00:05:54] <asah> yes there is.
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[01:03:45] <anarchos2__> hah, almost bought a webcam at the reuse it centre (a used goods for charity store) $3
[01:03:51] <anarchos2__> brand new, in the box logitech
[01:04:26] <anarchos2__> then i noticed it had 320x240 resolution video, and only 640x480 stills
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[01:15:00] <SpeedEvil> yeah - today you can get from china a 5MP webcam for $3
[01:15:11] <SpeedEvil> that has 320*240 video and 640*480 stills
[01:17:47] <anarchos2__> it wasn't the money, just the fact i'd inevetably buy a better camera soon after, and that one going into the trash (or back to the store)
[01:17:57] <CaptHindsight> the way it was explained to me is that the software is capable of 5MP but the sensor is 640 x 480
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[01:25:28] <anarchos2__> yeah
[01:26:14] <anarchos2__> i had a contour 1080p (a gopro competitor) and was talking to the contour guy when they had a booth set up here, and he told me the only difference between the 720p and 1080p model was they they upscaled
[01:26:17] <anarchos2__> same sensor, etc
[01:26:23] <anarchos2__> i demanded my money back :P
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[01:31:12] <CaptHindsight> I'm waiting for the unlimited resolution cameras :)
[01:31:46] <anarchos2__> is there anything like thingverse.com geared towards cnc?
[01:32:19] <CaptHindsight> with parametric models of parts and assemblies?
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[01:32:47] <anarchos2__> well i was just thinking of stuff that could be done with a 3 axis mill (or the ability to filter)
[01:33:03] <anarchos2__> most things on thingverse would be impossible with my mill (or even a 6 axis one)
[01:33:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3dcontentcentral.com
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[01:37:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:335826 pretty sure you could make this on a 3 axis mill
[01:38:08] <Tom_itx> not sure why you would
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[01:38:43] <CaptHindsight> forget to not shave for a few weeks, what then?
[01:40:28] <zq> do any of you use a jogwheel?
[01:40:47] <Tom_itx> yup
[01:41:08] <zq> i'm having a bit of trouble hooking mine up
[01:42:19] <anarchos2__> i have a joystick that i used...it's not so practical, though
[01:42:31] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control7.jpg
[01:42:40] <Tom_itx> my pendant is sitting next to the control box there
[01:43:42] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[01:43:45] <Tom_itx> the config is there
[01:43:57] <zq> very nice
[01:43:59] <Tom_itx> my_jog.hal has most of it
[01:44:06] <Tom_itx> some in the ini
[01:44:14] <Tom_itx> some may be in teh sherline.hal
[01:45:02] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant/pendant1.jpg
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[01:52:12] <anarchos2__> how do i set the default jog velocity?
[01:52:33] <anarchos2__> DEFAULT_VELOCITY = 0.3 in the [TRAJ] section?
[01:54:54] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:TRAJ-section
[01:56:37] <anarchos2__> hmm
[01:58:25] <anarchos2__> what's the difference between DEFAULT_VELOCITY in [TRAJ] and DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY from the [DISPLAY] section?
[01:59:17] <anarchos2__> one says "initial jog rate" and the other says "the default for linear jogs"
[01:59:33] <Tom_itx> is the display section for manual jogging?
[01:59:53] <Tom_itx> when in manual mode i should say
[02:00:11] <anarchos2__> If i set the [TRAJ] one it seems to do nothing, but the [DISPLAY] one works
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[02:00:52] <Tom_itx> maybe individual axis parameters are overriding the one in [TRAJ]
[02:02:12] <Tom_itx> in that document, i don't see an option for DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY
[02:03:28] <anarchos2__> in the display section
[02:03:31] <anarchos2__> second block of text
[02:03:44] <anarchos2__> right under
[02:03:44] <anarchos2__> Note
[02:03:44] <anarchos2__> The following [DISPLAY] items are for the AXIS interface only.
[02:03:55] <anarchos2__> which might explain things :P
[02:04:11] <Tom_itx> ahh i didn't scroll far enough :)
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[02:09:15] <roycroft> sweet
[02:09:24] <roycroft> ebay seller just refunded $30 in shipping charges on my order
[02:09:40] <roycroft> so the ball screws + bearing mounts came to $257 total, including shipping
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[02:09:50] <anarchos2__> why'd he do that?
[02:09:53] <anarchos2__> ask nicely? :P
[02:09:57] <roycroft> yes
[02:10:00] <roycroft> it was a combined order
[02:10:01] <Tom_itx> combined shipping?
[02:10:03] <anarchos2__> ah
[02:10:14] <roycroft> and there was no automated way to handle it
[02:10:22] <roycroft> so i paid full price and asked nicely for a refund
[02:10:26] <anarchos2__> i emailed the guy who makes the belt drive kit for my mill and just asked for a discount and he said yes
[02:10:34] <zq> meh
[02:10:38] <roycroft> most ebay sellers are pretty decent folks
[02:10:40] <zq> i gave up and just used halui instead
[02:11:03] <roycroft> ebay's reputation feedback system weeds out the bad ones pretty well
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[02:13:08] <anarchos2__> what kind of slides do "big name" cnc mill manufactures use?
[02:13:14] <anarchos2__> dovetails w/ gibs?
[02:13:45] <Tom_itx> box ways
[02:15:02] <anarchos2__> hmm
[02:16:13] <Tom_itx> http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/CNCCookbook/WayTypes.jpg
[02:16:57] <anarchos2__> cool, thanks
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[02:21:43] <Tom_itx> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/cnc-machining/box-ways-vs-ball-way-rails-236700/
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[02:30:29] <anarchos2__> cool, thanks
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[02:33:55] <anarchos2__> i'm dreaming of a mini mill sized mill made out of granite
[02:34:26] <roycroft> such things exist
[02:34:57] <roycroft> i also have seen an article where someone took a sieg mini-mill and filled all the voids with a granite epoxy
[02:35:12] <anarchos2__> yeah, that's what started me thinking about it.
[02:35:22] <LeelooMinai_> Is granite epoxy expensive?
[02:35:27] <anarchos2__> i figured why not make the base and column out of granite itself?
[02:35:47] <roycroft> you make it yourself, leeloominai_
[02:36:03] <LeelooMinai_> Well... from air? :)
[02:36:09] <roycroft> you get some epoxy
[02:36:11] <roycroft> and some granite
[02:36:14] <CaptHindsight> you can buy polyester resin for $35/gal at home depot, epoxy is ~$50/gal
[02:36:26] <roycroft> preferably in a fairly finely ground form
[02:36:30] <roycroft> and mix them together
[02:36:31] <anarchos2__> there's a 400+ page thread on CNCZone (i think) about epoxy granite
[02:36:52] <anarchos2__> would make sense for a large machine (or oddly shaped), but for a small one, why not use real granite?
[02:36:58] <CaptHindsight> the raw material for polyester or epoxy is ~$2-4/lb
[02:37:15] <roycroft> because it's really expensive, anarchos2__
[02:37:22] <LeelooMinai_> Hmm... I onced searched for epoxy on HomeDepot Canada, and could not find anything in big containers - only some tiny tubes of two-ingredient epoxy
[02:37:24] <roycroft> i've seen small mills made of granite
[02:37:27] <roycroft> well, seen ads for them
[02:37:41] <roycroft> i don't recall the details, but i do recally that they were very shiny and very expensive
[02:37:45] <anarchos2__> heh
[02:37:55] <anarchos2__> http://precisiongraniteusa.com/pdffiles/PGPRICELIST.pdf
[02:37:56] <roycroft> adding mass to a sieg with granit epoxy seems much more cost-effective
[02:38:12] <anarchos2__> even using this crazy precision ground granite it doesn't seem like it would be that expensive
[02:38:19] <anarchos2__> to build myself
[02:38:42] <anarchos2__> yes probably, but building one from scratch would be more fun :D
[02:38:54] <roycroft> especially if you used a cold chisel and a big hammer
[02:38:54] <LeelooMinai_> http://www.homedepot.ca/product/1-part-epoxy-acrylic-concrete-garage-floor-paint-slate-gray-379l/938962 <- that's not the epoxy you were talking about, right?
[02:38:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.uscomposites.com/polyesters.html
[02:39:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.uscomposites.com/epoxy.html
[02:39:10] <roycroft> you could spend a lot of time truing up the surfaces that way
[02:39:18] <roycroft> but you would feel really greek
[02:39:26] <roycroft> head out to the shop with a toga on
[02:39:33] <anarchos2__> lol
[02:39:35] <roycroft> and start carving your mill
[02:39:49] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai_: at home depot look for polyester resin by Elmers
[02:40:17] <LeelooMinai_> CaptHindsight: I think Canadian one does not have those items
[02:40:43] <CaptHindsight> or 3M
[02:41:08] <CaptHindsight> ahh Bondo brand
[02:41:22] <LeelooMinai_> resin and epoxy searches do not return anything that seems close
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[02:42:58] <anarchos2__> a 24x48x6" piece that's precision ground to +/-.0003 is $778. Take that to a granite countertop place and have them slice it into 4 pieces of 12x24. Have them drill holes lengthway into two pieces 10" to sink in some expansion bolts, and drill two holes in the other two pieces
[02:43:08] <SpeedEvil> west system epoxy
[02:43:25] <SpeedEvil> google
[02:44:13] <anarchos2__> bolt together in an L, add some box ways or dovetails with a saddle
[02:44:31] <anarchos2__> for both X and Z, then just need to come up with a way to make a table :P
[02:44:40] <anarchos2__> easy as pie ;)
[02:45:17] <LeelooMinai> Yes, just use that expoxy and a dough roller
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[02:46:03] <CaptHindsight> use plate glass for the bottom of the mold
[02:46:28] <CaptHindsight> cast t-slot right into it
[02:46:59] <LeelooMinai> Glass will still deform under weight - the end result probably won't be super-flat
[02:50:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bondo-Fiberglass-Resin/17130349
[02:51:34] <roycroft> i should think that the granite dust would be harder to come by than the epoxy resin
[02:51:53] <CaptHindsight> it seems to be getting harder to find, Loews stopped carrying it as well
[02:51:54] <roycroft> and it should not be too difficult to find granite dust
[02:52:01] <LeelooMinai> http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/polyester-resin-1993/6000079183847 <- all that is in Canadian Walmart
[02:52:19] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, 1 litre only - not very economic
[02:53:07] <roycroft> i'd figure that for an sieg x3 maybe 2L for the base and 3-4L for the column?
[02:53:30] <roycroft> now you want a high percentage of granite in it
[02:53:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.compositescanada.com/product-catalog/resins/category/201-polyester
[02:53:40] <roycroft> i haven't read that thread in ages
[02:53:45] <roycroft> but i'd figure at least 50% granit
[02:53:45] <roycroft> e
[02:54:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10060|10155&product=25607547&code=FG%20Poly%20Resin%20U%2FW%204L
[02:54:15] <CaptHindsight> oh more like 80%
[02:54:20] <roycroft> oh
[02:54:22] <roycroft> ok
[02:54:35] <roycroft> so you'd really only need 1-2L of epoxy resin total
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[02:56:03] <LeelooMinai> That west system resin is $100 + per gallon
[02:56:25] <LeelooMinai> I guess repairing a big boat is not cheap
[02:56:32] <roycroft> i built a stand for my x3 out of 1.5" square tubing, filled with concrete, and 1/2" plate on the top
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[02:56:37] <roycroft> the mill is bolted down to that stand
[02:57:02] <roycroft> i figure the stand is about 250kg or so
[02:57:22] <roycroft> that adds a fair amount of rigidity to the mill
[02:58:38] <roycroft> the granite epoxy thing would help for sure
[02:58:57] <roycroft> but maybe i'd be better off replacing the mini-mill with a bridgeport or similar
[02:59:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hgrinc.com/buyOurs/inventoryItemDetail.do?inventory_num=03141101842&invName=GRANITE-SURFACE-PLATE
[02:59:41] <CaptHindsight> 24'' X 36'' X 4'' $129.99
[02:59:42] <roycroft> eventually one can get to the point of putting so much effort into improving small machinery that it makes more sense to step up to something bigger
[02:59:49] <roycroft> shipping = $160? :)
[03:00:14] <roycroft> i think i paid more for shipping than my surface plate cost
[03:00:39] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I get mine local
[03:00:59] <roycroft> i got a small one off cl
[03:01:03] <roycroft> 12x18
[03:01:10] <roycroft> it's a starrett
[03:01:13] <roycroft> and it was $40
[03:01:40] <roycroft> some guy got it at a storage unit auction
[03:01:53] <roycroft> he thought it was too heavy to take home, so he posted it on cl while he was still at the auction
[03:02:15] <roycroft> and the auction was about 5 minutes from my house
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[03:03:47] <CaptHindsight> LeelooMinai: small quantities are pricey, I buy it by the drum for a few $/lb
[03:05:18] <LeelooMinai> Hmm... I just found that some company that makes granite plates, called Sowa, has headquarters in my city
[03:05:42] <LeelooMinai> http://sowa.treenodeonline.com/ProductLine/Precision%20Tools/46/1181/24094
[03:05:44] <roycroft> ask them for some granite dust!
[03:05:55] <LeelooMinai> I tiny one 9 by 12" is only $56
[03:06:24] <LeelooMinai> I will just wear fluffy clippers and visit them daily
[03:06:28] <LeelooMinai> slippers*
[03:07:28] <LeelooMinai> I could use a plate like this to calibrate my cnc
[03:07:37] <LeelooMinai> And align
[03:07:53] <CaptHindsight> that website must detect locations since my price for that plate is only $48
[03:08:16] <LeelooMinai> I have canadian flag displayed on top
[03:08:26] <anarchos2__> LeelooMinai, youre from kitchener?
[03:08:29] <LeelooMinai> Yes
[03:08:48] <CaptHindsight> and when you're dome with it they make great headstones
[03:08:51] <anarchos2__> i grew up in Rockwood
[03:09:02] <anarchos2__> which is on the other side of guelph. went to high school in guelph
[03:09:57] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, they have all sorts of stuff - I wonder if their name has Polish origin, because in Polish Sowa = An Owl:)
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[03:28:48] <CaptHindsight> on trick to mounting things to a granite table is to drill out and epoxy set aluminum slugs into the holes, then drill and tap them for fasteners
[03:32:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.q-sys.eu/images/mechanical%20bearing%205.jpg
[03:32:34] <LeelooMinai> ...
[03:33:14] <LeelooMinai> I wonder how they put that monolith into the room
[03:36:32] <roycroft> i'm sorry, dave, but i can't tell you how they did that
[03:36:45] <CaptHindsight> http://banoosh.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/arch29b.jpg
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[04:04:04] <anarchos2__> hmm, there's some neat stuff going on with machinekit
[04:04:21] <anarchos2__> what does the collective wisdom of #linuxcnc think of it?
[04:09:35] <PetefromTn_andro> Evening folks
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[04:11:52] <PetefromTn_andro> What's goin on in linuxcnc land tonight LOL
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[04:13:09] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2__: it's mostly Linuxcnc
[04:16:34] <anarchos2__> remote hal seems to most exciting to me
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[08:48:45] <anarchos2__> should i pull the trigger on a 5i25?
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[11:01:41] <f1oat> Anyone using MODBUS to drive a VFD ? I have a DZB200 inverter and wonder if the best solution is customizing de VFS11 driver or using MB2HAL
[11:02:24] <zeeshan> i do
[11:02:31] <zeeshan> for an eaton mvx9000
[11:02:54] <zeeshan> i think any driver can be modified
[11:03:07] <zeeshan> as long as you're communicating as the vfd is expecting it
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[11:09:58] <zeeshan> modified mvx9000 driver
[11:12:46] <f1oat> ok, I will at the code
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[12:58:15] <zq> :\
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[13:25:57] <archivist> a toy http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ABB-IRB-2000-ESAB-Aristorob-500-welder-/321507497743
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[13:29:22] * SpeedEvil adds to the list of people that should be set on fire.
[13:31:28] <archivist> because you saw something you cannot afford?
[13:31:49] <SpeedEvil> Because it's been outside in the rain for 6 months.
[13:31:54] * archivist tells the world where the toys are when he cannot afford
[13:31:54] <SpeedEvil> At least put a tarp over it
[13:32:40] <archivist> motors probably are sealed well enough leaving a retrofit of the control
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[14:17:38] <SpeedEvil> If the bearing surfaces aren't screwed
[14:17:41] <SpeedEvil> and gears
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[14:19:27] <Tom_itx> what's a little rust among friends
[14:25:36] <syyl_ws> the robot may even be ip67
[14:26:08] <syyl_ws> 100pounds dont seem much
[14:26:19] <syyl_ws> even if you just take it apart for parts
[14:26:26] <syyl_ws> like the servos and harmonic drives...
[14:26:49] <syyl_ws> and the welder can go straight back to ebay
[14:27:10] <syyl_ws> "used, slight surface rust, was working when disassembled"
[14:27:53] <syyl_ws> but i like the picture of the robot out in the green
[14:28:05] <syyl_ws> a bit madmaxish
[14:33:00] <anarchos2__> heh
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[14:37:20] <anarchos2__> does a servo drive include an amplifier, usually?
[14:37:47] <anarchos2__> i'm a little confused about servos
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[15:36:15] <SpeedEvil> syyl_ws: The above robot - 0.1mm accuracy 10kg working load, 1.5m working envelope. You could make a really decent 3d printer with that :)
[15:36:40] <syyl_ws> irgs
[15:36:43] * syyl_ws shrugs
[15:38:52] <syyl_ws> 3d printing is not my world
[15:38:53] <syyl_ws> :D
[15:39:03] <syyl_ws> in my mind everything starts from a massiv piece of stock
[15:39:21] * SpeedEvil was not 100% serious.
[15:39:38] <syyl_ws> me neither ;)
[15:39:52] <SpeedEvil> I do wish I could find a nice how-to on making a couple of amp e-beam gun though
[15:40:16] <SpeedEvil> A large vacuum chamber + e-gun + electrode feed = potentially quite awesome indeed
[15:40:35] <SpeedEvil> 3d printers are fun if they can do inconel
[15:41:15] <syyl_ws> yeah :D
[15:41:32] <syyl_ws> get a mig gun, inconel wire and a cnc machine..
[15:41:34] <syyl_ws> presto
[15:41:40] <syyl_ws> inconel printing :D
[15:41:49] <SpeedEvil> The vacuum chamber makes it better
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[16:09:23] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: http://reprap.org/wiki/MetalicaRap#The_Following_Sections_Are_For_Actual_Builders_Only_Please_Ignore_If_Your_Not_Actually_Building
[16:09:52] <CaptHindsight> unless of course it's all BS
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[16:21:16] <zq> is this valid gcode? G00Y.975
[16:21:16] <zq> M8
[16:21:19] <zq> oops
[16:21:41] <zq> i always thought g motion commands were g...x...y...
[16:22:13] <XXCoder> it just uses whats needed. if motion is purely Y it would state only y
[16:22:51] <zq> so g0y0.975 is valid and means moving purely the
[16:22:52] <zq> y
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[16:24:49] <XXCoder> http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCCNCGCodeMDI.htm
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[16:25:38] <zq> i just don't get why i'm getting y-axis join following errors
[16:26:37] <XXCoder> dunno not exactly expert either, just been using cnc machine and basic modifing gcode
[16:26:54] <XXCoder> most time I watch mentor do it, but friday I modified it for first time
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[16:34:07] <XXCoder> zq: whats full error message
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[16:44:59] <zq> XXCoder: it's not particularly helpful: joint 1 following error
[16:44:59] <zq> emc/task/taskintf.cc 617: Error on axis 1, command number 244
[16:45:18] <zq> Issuing EMC_TRAJ_LINEAR_MOVE -- (+220,+120, +0,0.100000,1.340000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000, +2,1.333333,7.881136,101.040207, +0, -1,)
[16:45:49] <XXCoder> ah
[16:45:54] <zq> so it was during a g1x0.1y1.34f80
[16:46:04] <XXCoder> it detected difference between actual position and commanded position
[16:46:11] <zq> wait a sec, f80 means 80% feedrate or 80x the norm?
[16:46:50] <zq> in other words, does f80 == 0.80 or f80 == 80?
[16:47:22] <zq> heh, it worked without the f80
[16:47:26] <XXCoder> not sure actually
[16:47:37] <XXCoder> yeah it just means its at porevious setting
[16:47:39] <zq> i think whomever wrote that line was in a real rush
[16:48:03] <XXCoder> ah found info
[16:48:08] <XXCoder> its at inches per minute
[16:48:16] <XXCoder> sp f80 is 80 in/min
[16:48:33] <XXCoder> The feedrate word specifies feedrate in inches per minute for Imperial controllers and in millimeters per minute if your controller is set up for metric
[16:48:45] <zq> lol jesus christ
[16:48:52] <XXCoder> might be 80mm/min
[16:48:53] <zq> next line below that isX1.35F400
[16:48:56] <XXCoder> dunno what machine is
[16:48:59] <zq> inches
[16:49:04] <zq> murrican
[16:49:18] <XXCoder> 'mericcia here too lol
[16:50:12] <XXCoder> 400 is ok for g0 usually. I have seen 800 for g0
[16:50:38] <XXCoder> my mentor told me he seen 1000, zip across right above stock lol
[16:50:53] <XXCoder> asked if he ever needed coffee and he said heck no lol
[16:51:30] <XXCoder> theres even faster ones too
[16:51:31] <zq> hah
[16:51:53] <zq> reprap printer heads zoom around quite rapidly too
[16:53:04] <XXCoder> lol ok
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[16:57:23] <zq> awesome, f400 made me spill my coffee
[17:00:33] <XXCoder> lol
[17:01:03] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f44oHby9aMw
[17:01:06] <XXCoder> 800 ipm
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[17:05:52] <Jymmmm> When a 20" fan is trying to turn, but barlt moves inches at a time. Is that the motor or the cap?
[17:05:57] <Jymmmm> barly
[17:06:00] <Jymmmm> barely
[17:06:17] <XXCoder> try air can clear out dust inside
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[17:06:29] <XXCoder> if till not, motor probably worn'
[17:07:08] <Jymmmm> It was fine 12 hours ago, just went to plug it in and zilch
[17:07:23] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: Oooh
[17:07:35] <XXCoder> Jymmmm: try spin it by hand
[17:07:45] <XXCoder> if it starts up and spin fine its motor too
[17:08:21] <Tecan> http://www.netpipe.ca/paste/?paste=4
[17:08:50] <Jymmmm> XXCoder: worked
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[17:09:06] <XXCoder> jy doing some research making sure im right
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[17:10:06] <XXCoder> I usually new new fan when hand starting gets too hard
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[17:10:34] <XXCoder> hand start might be failing capactor though it needs little spike of watts to start rotating?
[17:11:19] <SpeedEvil> bearing seizure can do it
[17:11:34] <jymmm> XXCoder: I have no idea on AC motors. I just see the cap and know there are "starting caps" on compressors/pumps.
[17:11:34] <SpeedEvil> does it rotate freely/
[17:11:39] <XXCoder> yeah you'd feel grind though
[17:12:03] <jymmm> but this cap is an encapculsated square box
[17:12:31] <XXCoder> well easy enouggh to open and find out
[17:12:45] <XXCoder> since it'll just get worse and need more hand starting
[17:12:46] <jymmm> encapsulated =)
[17:13:00] <Rab> jymmm, like this? http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTEwMFgxMTAw/z/oDcAAOSw-nZTqqvf/$_35.JPG
[17:13:05] <jymmm> as in with epoxy
[17:13:19] <jymmm> Rab: yeah
[17:14:19] <jymmm> but it's like 2" x 1", I think having to do with mounting it in the cage
[17:14:20] <XXCoder> heh I love my patton fan
[17:14:32] <XXCoder> it lasts damn forever and has long warranity
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[17:15:04] <jymmm> XXCoder: I did too, but they changed that now.
[17:15:11] <XXCoder> they reverted
[17:15:28] <XXCoder> my fan is the ugly stage with plastics and all. theyre back to metal now
[17:15:58] <XXCoder> the ugly one is warranty replacement for my older smaller all metal fan that died too early at 8 years old
[17:16:10] <jymmm> this fan is quieter than my patton one of the same size
[17:16:10] <XXCoder> and it by itself is now 5 years old
[17:16:39] <jymmm> five?! Ha.... try 20 =)
[17:17:06] <XXCoder> nice. my old one I loved it :( its smaller but more powerful. too bad it died :(
[17:17:52] <jymmm> Yeah, my little one died too. Then the repair shop fucked around for months, *parts are backordered", then closed.
[17:18:06] <XXCoder> did you in least get it back
[17:18:11] <jymmm> no
[17:18:17] <XXCoder> whaa
[17:18:22] <XXCoder> they stole fan basically
[17:18:30] <jymmm> pretty much
[17:18:52] <XXCoder> what if they got fan so good they decided to close biz to keep it lol
[17:18:53] <XXCoder> jk
[17:19:12] <jymmm> XXCoder: Yep, that's it! Those bastards!!!
[17:20:10] <XXCoder> lol
[17:20:24] <XXCoder> anyway might go for cap see what works
[17:20:52] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=patton+fans&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=43948948281&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16167137891498054419&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_8v12w4rhg_b
[17:20:59] <XXCoder> current patton designs
[17:21:14] <jymmm> I turned it off and waited for it to stop spinning. It turn back on fine and all speeds work.
[17:21:36] <XXCoder> yeah at start iut always goes "I'm totally fine!!"
[17:21:55] <XXCoder> but evenually you will have to "kick it" each time, and later no worky even with kickstatts
[17:22:03] <jymmm> You know the fan I miss the most.... a 16" box fan. That thing was jsut awesome
[17:22:24] <XXCoder> old ones from 80s and so on?
[17:22:39] <zq> any suggestions on how to figure out the cause of my following errors?
[17:22:41] <jymmm> yeah, non of this larson crap
[17:22:45] <zq> i'm still getting them on g0s
[17:22:58] <XXCoder> I hve very old fan mount that holds any of box fans
[17:23:13] <XXCoder> love it. we modified large old style patton fan to be on it :)
[17:23:16] <XXCoder> nice and powerful
[17:23:32] <XXCoder> zq: dropped steps?
[17:23:54] <zq> XXCoder: it's an open loop stepper set up
[17:24:02] <XXCoder> its mismatch between commanded positon and actual position
[17:24:19] <zq> i don't understand
[17:24:19] <XXCoder> jymmm: http://www.amazon.com/Patton-PX405-U-20-Inch-Performance-Circulator/dp/B000EI8TWO/ref=pd_sim_sbs_op_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=0QAB6SP0V3RVQ8R7WCDM
[17:24:27] <XXCoder> my ugly fan
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[17:24:43] <XXCoder> zq: basically computer commanded it to be at y of whatever
[17:24:44] <jymmm> XXCoder: WOW that is fugly
[17:24:49] <XXCoder> it went to other y
[17:24:57] <XXCoder> may be slightly off but still not same
[17:25:04] <jymmm> Just avoid the Lasko brand fans
[17:25:15] <XXCoder> jymmm: yeah its free replacement for small fan so whatever
[17:25:27] <jymmm> XXCoder: =)
[17:25:35] <zq> i still don't understand
[17:25:45] <XXCoder> I cant explain more clearly
[17:25:47] <jymmm> 16" http://images.cloud.worthpoint.com/wpimages/images/images1/1/0707/15/1_ddd5d1c920fd7f564762c190629d5a16.jpg
[17:25:58] <zq> there is no positional feedback on the stepper
[17:26:01] <zq> it's open ended
[17:26:03] <jymmm> XXCoder: It fit in wondows perfecty
[17:26:07] <zq> no encoders, nothing
[17:26:19] <XXCoder> jy I always wanted to try build fan with spidle
[17:26:26] <zq> therefore actual becomes exactly what identical is
[17:26:26] <jymmm> XXCoder: easy to move around
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[17:26:39] <XXCoder> extremely powerful. actually I rather use duct conferge fan
[17:26:41] <jymmm> XXCoder: it's the blades that are a bitch
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[17:27:04] <XXCoder> image isnt showing up
[17:27:26] <jymmm> http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-metal-toastmaster-portable-window-box-fan
[17:27:52] <XXCoder> wow box fan for tanks LOL
[17:28:04] <jymmm> tanks?
[17:28:17] <XXCoder> it looks heavy duty enough for tanks
[17:28:26] <jymmm> tanks?
[17:28:31] <jymmm> sherman tanks?
[17:29:01] <XXCoder> http://media.desura.com/images/groups/1/3/2074/Mating.jpg
[17:29:08] <FinboySlick> Weren't those air-cooled incidently?
[17:29:31] <XXCoder> not saying they actually use fans just that it ooks tough enough to be.
[17:30:00] <jymmm> XXCoder: was that the typ of tank you were thinking? of liek fish tanks?
[17:30:08] <FinboySlick> XXCoder: I know. But I'm pretty sure they ran an air-cooled v12.
[17:30:15] <XXCoder> yeah jy war machines
[17:30:20] <jymmm> k
[17:30:27] <XXCoder> FinboySlick: for person inside cooling
[17:30:33] <XXCoder> older tanjks it can be real hot lol
[17:30:40] <jymmm> XXCoder: I wasnt sure if you meant cooling fluid tanks
[17:30:45] <XXCoder> yeah
[17:30:56] <XXCoder> funny how joke turned into debate :)
[17:31:06] <jymmm> XXCoder: If you want to MAKE a fan, just get a car electric radiator fan
[17:31:16] <FinboySlick> jymmm -> harbringer of confusion
[17:31:29] <jymmm> and put a box around it and battery =)
[17:31:29] <XXCoder> could but better have 2 hp spidle ;)
[17:32:02] <jymmm> XXCoder: That's not a fan, that's a tornado
[17:32:14] <XXCoder> personal house tornado lol
[17:32:31] <XXCoder> seriously yeah small and very standardized spidle so easy to fix
[17:32:54] <XXCoder> it would be fan that lasts a long time and pass down to children
[17:33:03] <jymmm> XXCoder: 4ft fan http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mE1Aa2Ul4AujCUptHqSfRiw.jpg
[17:33:24] <XXCoder> saw one of those yeah
[17:33:26] <XXCoder> big.
[17:33:59] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Patton-18-inch-High-Velocity-PUF1810B-BM/dp/B004WT6ZFO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409505635&sr=8-1&keywords=patton+fans
[17:34:07] <XXCoder> LOL one of those pictures is bad photoshop
[17:34:21] <XXCoder> if you can call it photoshop if its just insert picture in other
[17:35:13] <jymmm> I have one sorta like this, it's awesome... http://www.walmart.com/ip/Xtend-Climb-FT-4-Lightweight-4-Step-Stool/14971893
[17:35:33] <jymmm> Mine is super lightweight, can carry with one finger
[17:35:48] <XXCoder> nice now build another out of titanium lol
[17:35:59] <jymmm> That 'U' bar REALLY helps
[17:36:04] <XXCoder> so you can hold it using tip of that finger heh
[17:36:15] <jymmm> XXCoder: I already can
[17:36:26] <XXCoder> just off the finger then. LOL
[17:36:34] <jymmm> XXCoder: I already can
[17:36:44] <XXCoder> wow you must be jedi then ;)
[17:37:10] <jymmm> XXCoder: These are not the ladders you are looking for.
[17:37:16] <XXCoder> lol
[17:38:28] <jymmm> But that ladder (or one like it) are really awesome. You would be surprised at how often you begin to use it
[17:39:00] <jymmm> Hard to find it seems
[17:39:29] <XXCoder> interesting
[17:40:28] <XXCoder> zq: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Following_Error
[17:40:32] <XXCoder> maybe it will help
[17:40:58] <jymmm> XXCoder: THIS is what I have... http://www.ladderkart.com/image/cache/data/products/Eurostar%20Platform%20Ladders/Eurostar_4%20Steps_Medium_Duty_Platform_Ladder-700x700.jpg
[17:41:13] <XXCoder> so its not folding?
[17:41:30] <jymmm> IT is folding, just lift the last step
[17:41:42] <XXCoder> oh
[17:41:54] <XXCoder> it looked like weld type at top joint
[17:42:11] <jymmm> I understand.
[17:42:33] <jymmm> stores in closet
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[17:43:21] <jymmm> It's like perfect height for a step stool or indoors at ceiling level
[17:43:50] <XXCoder> yeah good for around the house stfuf
[17:44:08] <jymmm> no having to fight those side folding bars to lock up/closed that always pinch your fingers
[17:45:25] <XXCoder> whoa! http://nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism/
[17:45:48] <jymmm> Any how, if you ever see one exactly like that, check it out. Thee are many close to it, but not the same thing.
[17:46:37] <XXCoder> thanks
[17:47:34] <XXCoder> watch the video
[17:47:42] <XXCoder> it shows dumbass player being arrested
[17:48:00] <dewy721_> I hate to break up the fans & latters but I'd like to pose a question. Does anyone know of a lightweight html interface for LinuxCNC?
[17:48:34] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: good. There is a real danger of death doing that so someone.
[17:48:40] <XXCoder> yeah
[17:48:48] <XXCoder> like judge said theres no reset in real life
[17:48:50] <jymmm> yah the dad got shot too
[17:49:06] <FinboySlick> dewy721_: I don't know if it exists but it could be pretty cool. Would help make the linuxcnc box headless.
[17:49:50] <FinboySlick> There's webgl now and all the client-side stuff one could want.
[17:49:58] <Rab> You could make an HTML interface that sends commands to axis-remote without too much trouble.
[17:50:41] <jymmm> bad bad bad bad idea
[17:50:55] <dewy721_> I'm doing some recon for PocketNC . com we would like to setup a web interface since the machine is so small.
[17:52:15] <FinboySlick> jymmm: The web interface or plugging into axis-remote?
[17:52:48] <jymmm> FinboySlick: http/html
[17:52:54] <dewy721_> since it runs off of a beaglebone black, it needs to be light as possible
[17:53:10] <FinboySlick> jymmm: There's things like web sockets now.
[17:53:19] <jymmm> FinboySlick: pffff
[17:53:22] <zq> what are the step rates for the bbb?
[17:53:42] <zq> assuming a stepper, that is
[17:54:02] <FinboySlick> jymmm: If it's designed to not rely on the browser itself, I think it'd be pretty cool.
[17:54:24] <jymmm> FinboySlick: While kludgy, there is keystick, and many other remote capabilities already exist.
[17:54:38] <jymmm> FinboySlick: and are not stateless
[17:55:09] <dewy721_> the hardware IO can cycle pins in the low megahertz range but so far 40khz x 5 axes seems doable.
[17:55:28] <zq> pretty
[17:55:31] <jymmm> FinboySlick: 2ยข
[17:55:36] <zq> that pru
[17:55:53] <dewy721_> yup.
[17:58:50] <dewy721_> I know there are several ways to piece a html interface together, but was wondering if someone was already working on a solid front-end.
[17:59:34] <FinboySlick> dewy721_: Not that I'm aware of but I think it's a cool idea if it can be done right.
[17:59:51] <zq> dewy721_: i think there's emcweb
[17:59:59] <zq> i haven't tried it though
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[18:02:12] <dewy721_> Looks like the Rockhopper Webserver might work (websockets).
[18:02:38] <zq> idk why you'd use websox for this though
[18:02:50] <zq> it's fancy but unnecessary
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[18:04:07] <FinboySlick> zq: It's not necessary but it would probably be a better way to stream real time information.
[18:04:18] <dewy721_> to setup exclusive use rights per connection? like I mentioned I'm still trying to figure the best option out.
[18:05:05] <dewy721_> Hence why I came here.
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[18:06:44] <skunkworks_> dewy721_: machinekit (fork of linuxcnc) is trying to do
[18:06:50] <skunkworks_> exactly that
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[18:08:07] <os1r1s> dewy721_: chilipeppr is a pretty slick web front end for machining
[18:08:10] <dewy721_> we're running machine kit distro, perhaps I should go see what's happening over there.
[18:08:36] <roycroft> what was the purpose of the machinekit fork?
[18:08:49] * roycroft is not familiar with machinekit
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[18:09:36] <Rab> roycroft, LinuxCNC on BeagleBone Black.
[18:10:06] <Rab> I don't know if it's a fork so much as a specialized live image.
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[18:11:06] <roycroft> ok, thanks
[18:11:17] <roycroft> sounds like something i don't need to spend any time on
[18:12:46] <CaptHindsight> there's is some facilitation in the toy FDM industry for avoiding the use of a PC for machine control and only using a PC for user interface, modeling and slicing
[18:14:54] <SpeedEvil> There was a BBB fork that used the PRUs for control timing
[18:15:02] <SpeedEvil> This has orders of magnitude better timing
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[18:16:45] <skunkworks_> or a smart phone for interface device..
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[18:18:35] <dewy721_> SpeedEvil: which fork? (think I missed part of the conversation during a con-reset.)
[18:18:50] <os1r1s> dewy721_: The pocketnc looks very slick
[18:19:47] <jdh> though their web/net ski11lz are lacking.
[18:19:55] <dewy721_> Thanks, but I just do the software bits, the site owner does the hardware.
[18:20:19] <CaptHindsight> a smart phone or tablet nay be used to control your toy printer from remote locations as well e.g. beach, bathroom, bowling alley
[18:21:25] <dewy721_> yeah I imagine that'll change after three kickstarter campaigne.
[18:22:49] <dewy721_> <--subject to autocowreckion on droid tablet.
[18:23:39] <jdh> where do you get 5-axis cam?
[18:24:19] <dewy721_> , we are working with Autodesk to make a subscription based software solution for makers.
[18:24:25] <jymmm> pi and tablet running linuxcnc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLIo7TA82xE
[18:24:42] <CaptHindsight> NX and Mastercam have 5 or more axis CAM
[18:25:10] <CaptHindsight> jdh: ^
[18:25:15] <dewy721_> Autodesk wants to get on them Maker Faire action so they're going to release a much cheaper piece of CAM software.
[18:26:12] <CaptHindsight> who did autodesk partner with 3d systems or was it stratysis?
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[18:26:31] <CaptHindsight> Stratasys
[18:27:16] <dewy721_> that I have no idea, I'm on the other end of the collaboration.
[18:29:00] <dewy721_> I can say the it'll be a cad/cam all in one. Design then click to mill.
[18:31:03] <XXCoder> LOL https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8299115520/hAECC5B4D/
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[18:31:22] <CaptHindsight> if you have control over the printer and material then you can create an application to just take 3 models and press print
[18:31:41] <CaptHindsight> isn't that what the makerbot/autodesk goal is?
[18:32:30] <CaptHindsight> it's not printing anything precise, just a reasonable facsimile of object from a library
[18:33:12] <CaptHindsight> 3/3d
[18:35:06] <dewy721_> well it's a mill, it won't do much printing at the moment. Although, if you can model it in a sensible form the it should be able to machine it.
[18:38:44] <dewy721_> Where aiming at the market hole between 3d printing and big machining. Autodesk is indeed aiming to bring itself to both additive & subtractive maker markets.
[18:38:56] <os1r1s> dewy721_: Is that a tinyg you are using?
[18:39:28] <XXCoder> ice water challenge. this one is extreme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Afu7xTDbcLI
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[18:40:48] <dewy721_> that's old photo. not these days. Where currently using a bbb and designing our own cape for it.
[18:41:45] <os1r1s> dewy721_: What is the target price of the machine?
[18:43:05] <dewy721_> They are shooting for <3500$ for a closed loop system w/3-phase spindle.
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[18:43:19] <os1r1s> dewy721_: Including 5 axis software?
[18:43:44] <CaptHindsight> dewy721_: what is being used for the UI?
[18:44:50] <dewy721_> they are still discussing the how to package the software. currently the UI is Axis (via ssh).
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[18:45:35] <CaptHindsight> dewy721_: does the BBB connect to the monitor?
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[18:45:56] <CaptHindsight> oh, sorry via SSH I see
[18:46:36] <dewy721_> nope, the hdmi pins are used by the machine. So no, no local display.
[18:47:22] <CaptHindsight> so $3500 + a second PC, phone or tablet for the UI
[18:48:24] <CaptHindsight> and some cat5 cable
[18:48:26] <Rab> dewy721_, I've found the Axis preview window on BBB is dog slow via local monitor or SSH X forwarding. How are you handling that (or what else are you doing)?
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[18:50:03] <dewy721_> actually since the bbb runs linuxcnc itself, you just need a freeware client to talk to it via ssh. I've used my pc, tablet & phone.
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[18:52:52] <dewy721_> the UI cycle time is set too high by default, you can either slow the update cycle down from 1ms to 333ms (30fps) of stop using a OpenGL UI.
[18:53:14] <dewy721_> of=or.
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[18:54:05] <dewy721_> that is also a reason we would like to switch to an html front-end.
[18:54:07] <Rab> Thank for the tip, can you point me to where that's set?
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[18:55:35] <dewy721_> can't remember for sure. Either the . hal file or the ini file. it's not hard to find.
[18:56:09] <Rab> Cool, I'll look around.
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[18:59:37] <dewy721> well it's been fun, gotta run. thanx for the suggestions guys.
[19:00:39] <dewy721> ttfn
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[20:50:38] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:32:37] <zq> hm
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[21:53:37] <syyl> my try on drag engraving..
[21:53:38] <syyl> http://gtwr.de/web/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/pro_ritzspitze_1.jpg
[21:53:48] <syyl> seems to work ;)
[21:53:49] <syyl> http://gtwr.de/web/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/pro_ritzspitze_3.jpg
[21:54:17] <syyl> works even on glas,,,kinda
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[21:54:19] <syyl> http://gtwr.de/web/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/pro_ritzspitze_6.jpg
[21:54:36] <PetefromTn_> Nice man...
[21:54:39] <PetefromTn_> Looks good.
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[21:54:50] <PetefromTn_> Did you buy the bits or grind them yourself.
[21:55:05] <syyl> thanks :)
[21:55:13] <syyl> they are ground from 3mm carbide shanks
[21:55:19] <syyl> on the cutter grinder
[21:56:03] <PetefromTn_> Sweet. Looks like you made a few.
[21:56:16] <anarchos2> I'm so out of touch with PC hardware these days. Will a mesa PCI card work with all flavours of PCI?
[21:56:21] <anarchos2> like...if it fits, it works?
[21:56:40] <anarchos2> because there's all sorts of express x16 stuff that i don't understand :P
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[21:57:03] <syyl> yeah, one or two for myself, and the others as giveaways to hobby machinists around here..
[21:57:23] <PetefromTn_> LOL well that leaves me out
[21:58:05] <syyl> far away from germany? ;)
[21:58:13] <PetefromTn_> WAY
[21:58:28] <syyl> :D
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[21:59:34] <PetefromTn_> Altho I may need to make one myself here. I usually use some single flute engravers I have here and they work for most stuff but those allow you to engrave on radiused surfaces which is nice.
[22:00:37] <syyl> thats the beauty of it, yes
[22:00:50] <syyl> and the incredible fine line it produces
[22:05:36] <jdh> I have a bunch of trashed 1/8" carbide mills you could grind for me.
[22:06:59] <XXCoder> heys
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[22:37:01] <Connor> anarchos2: the 5i25 will only work with the legacy PCI slot. the 6i25 is for PCIE, You can put a PCI x1 in a x1, x4, x8, x16 slot
[22:37:47] <cpresser> is there any particular reason to chose a 6i25 or 5i25 if you have both slots available in your system?
[22:38:02] <Connor> Nope.
[22:38:10] <Connor> The core of the card is the same.
[22:39:06] <Connor> The 6I25 can be completely software compatible with the 5I25 if 5I25 bitfiles are loaded in the 6I25's EEPROM, and its PCI clock is set for 33 MHz. This is the current default setup of 6I25 cards. Configured this way, the 6I25 will report itself as a 5I25 and will be completely compatible with 5I25 software. These is a small speed advantage and some additional 6I25 features available if the card is runs as a native 6I25. To do this, a 6I25 bitfile must be
[22:40:32] <cpresser> ah okay. thank you for that clarification. i think ill get a 6i25, mainly because i can move it to newer mainboards that dont have the 'legacy' PCI slot anymore
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[23:45:33] <anarchos2> Connor, awesome, thanks for the info :D
[23:45:42] <anarchos2> will probably go for a 6i25
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[23:46:30] <anarchos2> has anyone used a 3d print service before?
[23:46:44] <anarchos2> i think it's the only hope for getting motor covers that will fit my steppers
[23:47:26] <jdh> odd motors? slightly overize 570s?
[23:47:49] <anarchos2> oversized 425s
[23:48:00] <anarchos2> 60mm
[23:49:50] <anarchos2> I have a stl from Hoss of covers that will fit...just need to find somewhere to make them
[23:50:20] <anarchos2> shapeways.com wants $48/ea :(
[23:50:21] <XXCoder> well
[23:50:32] <XXCoder> making crappy holders so you can use machine to make em
[23:50:45] <XXCoder> thats a option
[23:52:58] <jdh> I saw some from .au I think. Connor made me some
[23:53:52] <XXCoder> anarchos2: or maybe has something in aliexpress
[23:55:32] <anarchos2> I have been unsuccessful in locating any
[23:56:04] <anarchos2> the company that makes the regular sized covers has some that will fit the 60mm motors, but are "out of stock" and have been apparently for two years
[23:56:20] <anarchos2> i've checked aliexpress, ebay, tons of google searches..
[23:56:29] <jdh> http://www.dyengineering.com/60mm%20Cover.html
[23:56:30] <Connor> anarchos2: Those are made out of aluminum and are WAY too expensive..
[23:56:56] <Connor> CNC machined from aluminium alloy
[23:57:04] <anarchos2> jdh: unavailable...
[23:57:10] <jdh> yeah. and pricey.
[23:57:26] <Connor> Plus, I like my design better.. protects the connector.
[23:57:26] <XXCoder> ana maybe consider new motors
[23:57:42] <XXCoder> compitable and much more common
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[23:58:14] <jdh> Connor: it does protect it, but the cable angle also stresses the housing. One of mine snapped.
[23:58:32] <Connor> jdh: Really ?
[23:58:36] <Connor> Which one ?
[23:58:44] <jdh> my X
[23:59:16] <Connor> The cable or the connector itself ?
[23:59:17] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/HIGH-VOLTAGE-BLDC-MOTOR-10W-60mm/1328590235.html
[23:59:31] <jdh> the glue joint
[23:59:35] <anarchos2> Connor, have an url?