#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-08-13

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[00:05:33] <Jymmm> Who says electric chain saw suck... http://www.yaplakal.com/forum28/topic746721.html
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[00:09:38] <anarchos2> any suggestions on a good "cheap" dial indicator? maybe a digital one?
[00:09:47] <XXCoder1> aliexpress
[00:10:02] <zeeshan> all the chinese indicators ive tried out
[00:10:04] <zeeshan> mechanical
[00:10:11] <zeeshan> have an error over their whole range
[00:10:14] <zeeshan> around 5-6 thou
[00:10:17] <zeeshan> :(
[00:10:28] <zeeshan> <- indicator hoarder/master
[00:10:44] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Q87RZTz.jpg
[00:10:49] <zeeshan> i has 2 drawers
[00:11:06] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/zcA65F1.jpg
[00:11:07] <zeeshan> moar
[00:11:22] <XXCoder1> lol
[00:11:30] <XXCoder1> talking about dial indictors
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[00:11:38] <anarchos2_> oops wrong button
[00:11:41] <XXCoder1> whats best way for me to attch it to chuck
[00:11:51] <zeeshan> XXCoder1: you mean inside a chuck?
[00:11:53] <anarchos2> oh no shit, i'm just not good at this xfce thing.
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[00:12:22] <anarchos2> zeeshan, any recommendations for one?
[00:12:23] <XXCoder1> well in a way that I can test stuff by moving gantry around
[00:12:31] <zeeshan> anarchos2: what are you trying to do
[00:12:44] <zeeshan> XXCoder1: sure it needs t obe in a chuck?
[00:12:46] <zeeshan> i really like using this:
[00:12:48] <anarchos2> just set up my new mini mill, check if it's accurate, etc
[00:12:48] <zeeshan> http://www.amazon.com/NOGA-NogaFlex-Holder-Model-NF1018/dp/B0006J49MA
[00:12:54] <zeeshan> you ca nget that for 39$ on use-enco
[00:13:05] <zeeshan> anarchos2: so you'll need the entire range of the indicator
[00:13:07] <zeeshan> to do that
[00:13:16] <XXCoder1> not bad
[00:13:20] <XXCoder1> lemme look at aliexpress
[00:13:25] <zeeshan> XXCoder1: get the real one
[00:13:26] <anarchos2> yea
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[00:13:32] <zeeshan> theres lots of videos of chinese vs real noga online
[00:13:33] <zeeshan> on youtube
[00:13:34] <XXCoder1> real one need real money
[00:13:37] <zeeshan> theres no comparison one
[00:13:44] <zeeshan> the chinese one moves on you
[00:13:55] <zeeshan> if you really want a chinese one
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[00:13:59] <zeeshan> look at the brand asimeto
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[00:14:33] <XXCoder1> no match
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[00:15:38] <zeeshan> anarchos2:
[00:15:39] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-hand-tool/city-of-toronto/mitutoyo-dial-indicator-2416f-001-x1/594004538?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[00:15:45] <zeeshan> 50$!
[00:16:02] <zeeshan> looks like its in good condition
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[00:16:45] <XXCoder1> noga is ALL deburr in aliexpress. weird
[00:16:49] <XXCoder1> deburr tool
[00:17:40] <MC500> where do I get older iso images to install say LinuxCNC 2.5.1
[00:17:52] <zeeshan> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PARTPG=INLMIP&PMPXNO=3377530&PMAKA=890-1343
[00:17:56] <zeeshan> damn they're jnot on sale anymore
[00:17:58] <zeeshan> it was 39$ on sale
[00:18:01] <zeeshan> when i bought it
[00:18:44] <MC500> Noga is awsome
[00:19:09] <zeeshan> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1456/Test_Indicator_Holder_Arm_Only
[00:19:13] <zeeshan> i have that ..
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[00:19:23] <zeeshan> it moves around without much effort
[00:19:25] <zeeshan> noga is rock hard
[00:19:41] <XXCoder1> zee I do have a cheat idea, get a thread bar, attach adoptor to hold dial indictor to it
[00:20:38] <zeeshan> XXCoder1: all depends on you
[00:20:45] <XXCoder1> yeah
[00:20:50] <zeeshan> i had to measure end play for a transmission shaft
[00:20:54] <zeeshan> i made some fancy adapter
[00:20:55] <zeeshan> :D
[00:21:06] <zeeshan> by fancy adapter i mean a flat plate
[00:21:08] <zeeshan> with 2 holes in it
[00:21:08] <zeeshan> :D
[00:21:33] <XXCoder1> lol
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[00:25:12] <anarchos2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mitutoyo-Absolute-543-276B-Digimatic-Indicator-with-Slotted-Back-ID-C1012CEB-/191147087029?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c814114b5&_uhb=1
[00:25:33] <zeeshan> i personally had 2 of those indicators
[00:25:34] <zeeshan> i sold them
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[00:26:01] <anarchos2> no good?
[00:26:07] <zeeshan> no, they are accurate
[00:26:17] <zeeshan> but they problem is an analog gauge is much easier to "zero out"
[00:26:34] <zeeshan> like for example, when you're trying to dial in a piece with a 4jaw chuck on a lathe
[00:26:41] <zeeshan> you want it to run concentric with the spindle
[00:27:02] <zeeshan> with a digital gauge, the numbers fly around and it takes time to think about whats going on
[00:27:09] <zeeshan> with analog gauge you can see the sweep of the needle..
[00:27:14] <XXCoder1> yeah
[00:27:21] <Tom_itx> so have one of both
[00:27:22] <XXCoder1> thats why i got dial indictor
[00:28:03] <zeeshan> http://www.diatest.com/uploads/pics/06-dial-indicators2.png
[00:28:06] <zeeshan> ive been looking for one of those
[00:28:09] <zeeshan> they are AWESOME
[00:28:15] <zeeshan> its the best of both worlds
[00:30:29] <XXCoder1> interesting
[00:30:34] <XXCoder1> wonder what its sample rate is
[00:30:53] <anarchos2> what would be a good choice for a sub $50 analogue indicator?
[00:31:09] <jdh> I a mitutoyo digi indicator. Never found a use for it
[00:31:28] <archivist> jdh, send it to me :)
[00:31:34] <zeeshan> one good use of the digital indicator is
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[00:31:37] <zeeshan> i can hook it up to labview
[00:31:51] <zeeshan> when measuring deflection of a strucutral member
[00:31:57] <zeeshan> and log
[00:31:58] <jdh> woohoo
[00:32:04] <archivist> mine has a pointer and changes colour http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/IMG_1673_800.JPG
[00:32:21] <zeeshan> archivist:
[00:32:23] <zeeshan> what model # is that
[00:34:51] <jdh> I like the pointer. Mine is just a number
[00:35:40] <archivist> 543-554-1
[00:36:04] <archivist> ID-F130E
[00:36:52] <archivist> has a limit mode where it is green/red
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[00:41:24] <zeeshan> http://www.amazon.com/Mitutoyo-543-552A-Absolute-Digimatic-Indicator/dp/B0006J44WK
[00:41:29] <zeeshan> yes, a little too expensive for me
[00:41:29] <zeeshan> :D
[00:42:02] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mitutoyo-Digital-Indicator-Model-543-552-1-Range-1-0-/351115285542?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51c01a1426
[00:42:05] <zeeshan> 225$ used..
[00:42:06] <zeeshan> lol
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[00:45:52] <archivist> I got mine dead, the 5v regulator chip was fried
[00:46:20] <zeeshan> easy fix
[00:46:21] <zeeshan> :D
[00:47:09] <archivist> bought something else and the guy offered it when I went to collect
[00:48:22] <archivist> used to work he said but he admitted shoving the wrong wallwart into it
[00:48:58] <zeeshan> archivist: how much is a van keuren 1.25 diameter
[00:49:02] <zeeshan> by 1/2" optical flat worth
[00:49:04] <zeeshan> no scratches
[00:49:12] <zeeshan> brand new
[00:50:44] <zeeshan> pretty please tell meee
[00:50:54] <archivist> no idea, usually silly expensive probably
[00:51:12] <zeeshan> i might have found one finally
[00:51:13] <MC500> is the only option to install LinuxCNC 2.5x upgrading or are there 2.5x iso's out there?
[00:51:13] <zeeshan> thats cheap
[00:52:06] <archivist> I got mine cheap http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=optical+PD
[00:52:16] <zeeshan> 1.25" dia is plenty right?
[00:52:19] <zeeshan> to check out flatness of anvils
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[00:52:57] <MC500> I make optical flats
[00:53:06] <archivist> mine are calibrated thickness for various rotation angles of a micrometer
[00:53:07] <zeeshan> mc500 for free? :)
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[00:53:55] <MC500> small ones are not that much.. I can make up to a meter
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[00:54:37] <MC500> certified flat is very spendy.. the one for our interferometer was like 10k
[00:55:58] <archivist> there is one on fleabay at £48
[00:56:28] <MC500> how big is it?
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[00:57:16] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Optical-Flat-Surface-Finish-Testing-Coventry-Gauge-2-Micron-50mm-Diameter-/370940164546?pt=UK_Measuring_Tools_Levels&hash=item565dc1b9c2
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[00:58:31] <zeeshan> archivist: is 1.25" plenty
[00:58:34] <zeeshan> for micrometer checking?
[00:58:34] <zeeshan> :P
[00:59:04] <archivist> mine are only 1" dia
[00:59:27] <zeeshan> the idea is you put the flat on there
[00:59:32] <zeeshan> and you will see different patterns?
[01:00:07] <archivist> if its clean enough and you have monochrome light
[01:00:14] <zeeshan> http://www.mitutoyo.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/o/p/optical-flat_1.jpg
[01:00:15] <zeeshan> those lines
[01:00:58] <zeeshan> http://www.edmundoptics.com/technical-support/technical-library/marketing-literature/files/eo-optical-flat-manual.pdf
[01:01:01] <zeeshan> nm this shows the patterns
[01:01:05] <zeeshan> it should be straight lines
[01:01:08] <zeeshan> not bendy lines
[01:01:13] <archivist> you can see colour fringes there due to white light
[01:01:26] <zeeshan> http://www.edmundoptics.com/technical-support/technical-library/marketing-literature/files/eo-optical-flat-manual.pdf
[01:01:28] <zeeshan> page 11
[01:01:32] <zeeshan> figure 11
[01:02:03] <MC500> is 2 microns how flat it is... cuz that aint that flat
[01:02:50] <zeeshan> i can "borrow" a monochromatic light from work lab
[01:03:02] <archivist> 2 microns is ok for testing workshop grade I suppose
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[01:04:18] <MC500> http://www.edmundoptics.com/optics/windows-diffusers/interferometry-windows/single-surface-optical-flats/1906
[01:04:22] <MC500> those are way flat
[01:04:44] <zeeshan> the one im looking at is .000004"
[01:04:47] <MC500> 1/4 wafe should be nuff,,, some of those are 20th wave and only 150 bucks
[01:04:55] <zeeshan> .1 micron
[01:05:04] <MC500> yea
[01:05:22] <zeeshan> its considered a "working grade"
[01:05:40] <zeeshan> master is 0.000002"
[01:05:46] <zeeshan> reference is 0.000001"
[01:06:11] <MC500> not sure what working grade is... there scientific grade for sure, we would use them in lasers and what not
[01:06:20] <MC500> you can get them out of most any material
[01:06:32] <MC500> we even make them out of silicon carbide
[01:06:49] <zeeshan> MC500: give me some "scrap ones"
[01:06:49] <zeeshan> :D
[01:06:55] <zeeshan> MC500: where do you work
[01:07:16] <MC500> Maui company in Maui.. Hnu Photonics
[01:07:27] <MC500> my rather
[01:07:36] <zeeshan> haha that must be nice.
[01:07:39] <zeeshan> working in hawaii..
[01:07:42] <zeeshan> is there a lot of eng jobs there?
[01:07:54] <MC500> hnuphotonics.com
[01:07:59] <zeeshan> yea im checking out the website
[01:08:01] <MC500> yea come get my mill running...
[01:08:01] <zeeshan> looks like a cool company
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[01:08:44] <MC500> thanks
[01:09:07] <MC500> we just moved... mill broke in the move.. setting up large optics shop
[01:09:11] <MC500> and machine shop
[01:09:19] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Van-Keuren-Optical-Flat-with-Case-/201147313047?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&autorefresh=true&pb=2&nma=true&si=Hb4f8mwY7yF4uCS5PfzAmBlDMKQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[01:09:20] <zeeshan> yay
[01:09:21] <zeeshan> i won!
[01:09:24] <zeeshan> 25$
[01:09:41] <MC500> the LinuxCNC mill was doing diamond turning of optics, very cool stuff
[01:09:54] <zeeshan> whats wrong with the mill
[01:10:11] <MC500> the guy who built it didnt backup the hard drive and the drive went
[01:10:20] <zeeshan> eeek
[01:10:30] <MC500> I am trying to put it back together with scraps from other working versions
[01:10:34] <zeeshan> your hal file is gone :{
[01:10:39] <MC500> yea
[01:10:48] <zeeshan> what kind of mill
[01:11:05] <MC500> its a Maho MC500 cool german stuff
[01:11:28] <MC500> I have it retrofited with Baldor AC servo moters and amps
[01:11:39] <MC500> with very precition Linear scales
[01:12:22] <MC500> the rotary scale is 36000 counts
[01:12:50] <MC500> I cant figure out how to tune it
[01:13:22] <MC500> The guy who built it spent weeks tuning it
[01:13:44] <MC500> I am sending the drive off for recovery, but not sure how that will go
[01:14:01] <zeeshan> im sure your hal file can be saved
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[01:15:27] <MC500> what is the importance of the hal file? would it be the core_server.hal I thought that was just programmed to the type of card you have which is a servo to go in my case
[01:15:47] <MC500> I have older copies of it and it looks like a 4th axis was added to it but not much more
[01:16:07] <zeeshan> theres a couple files important
[01:16:17] <zeeshan> the hal file contains all your i/o pins
[01:16:27] <zeeshan> and configures a lot of stuff
[01:16:34] <MC500> I have all the axis working as far as io pins and stuff
[01:16:37] <zeeshan> your ini file has all your motor stuff
[01:16:41] <MC500> tuning is what I lack
[01:16:48] <MC500> yea the stg.ini
[01:16:53] <MC500> the one I have is old
[01:17:14] <MC500> Velocity and PID and so forth
[01:17:17] <zeeshan> yep
[01:17:24] <zeeshan> i havent tuned a servo system before but i'm sure its not too bad
[01:17:26] <MC500> that is the golden bee bee in my case
[01:18:07] <MC500> what I read seems to imply that with just the calibration window you can set values up and up till the motors start to ocolate
[01:18:09] <CaptHindsight> MC500: we'll help you tune it
[01:18:20] <CaptHindsight> I mostly use servos
[01:19:11] <MC500> cool what do I do first???
[01:19:25] <MC500> I belive I have the scales set correctly
[01:19:28] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: do you guys do root locus stuff
[01:19:29] <zeeshan> to tune?
[01:19:46] <MC500> dono what that is
[01:21:33] <MC500> http://pastebin.com/iuDrgUU6 that is a recent stg.ini with my current settings
[01:22:10] <MC500> cradec had me add some undocumented stuff and I was able to get the 4th axis running as ANGULAR
[01:22:12] <zeeshan> one method i learned about in schoo
[01:22:19] <zeeshan> was "ziegler nichols" method
[01:22:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/pdf/LinuxCNC_Integrator_Manual.pdf
[01:22:36] <XXCoder1> it involves deadfall hammer
[01:22:46] <zeeshan> https://controls.engin.umich.edu/wiki/index.php/PIDTuningClassical#Ziegler-Nichols_closed-loop_tuning_method
[01:22:46] <XXCoder1> deadblow that is
[01:22:54] <CaptHindsight> pages 186 -188
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[01:23:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/10-advanced-configuration/14483-servo-tuning-pid-and-ffn has a good discussion
[01:23:58] <zeeshan> ha
[01:24:05] <zeeshan> they cover ziegler nichols method
[01:24:07] <zeeshan>
[01:24:39] <zeeshan> so servo tuning is really easy then
[01:24:47] <zeeshan> set i and d to zero
[01:25:02] <zeeshan> keep increasing p till you get oscillation
[01:25:10] <zeeshan> then use the formulas
[01:25:21] <MC500> yea I cant get oscillation
[01:25:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/index.php/russian/forum/32-documents/26649-pid-tuning-by-graph
[01:26:02] <zeeshan> MC500: apparently you will at some point
[01:26:04] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PWM_Servo_Amplifiers
[01:26:05] <zeeshan> keep increasing P!
[01:26:45] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Tuning_LinuxCNC/HAL_PID_Loops
[01:27:15] <XXCoder1> damn
[01:27:21] <XXCoder1> microsft makes cool stuff smetimes
[01:27:23] <XXCoder1> https://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/projects/hyperlapse/
[01:27:55] <MC500> well I have some reading to do...
[01:28:14] <CaptHindsight> get familiar first
[01:28:33] <CaptHindsight> I'll have to read the backlog to see what servo hardware you're using
[01:28:43] <MC500> so zeeshan if I just have the calibration window open and I keep kicking P with everything else at 0 it should start ocilating?
[01:29:10] <MC500> stg ISA card with baldor amplifiers/AC servo motors
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[01:30:04] <CaptHindsight> if you give the motor a bump
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[01:30:50] <CaptHindsight> mc500 check page # 188 in the integrator manual
[01:30:55] <MC500> yea so I do have to bump it... thought so.. but if everything is 0 but P it never ocilates.. it just zings and faults
[01:32:08] <CaptHindsight> that gets you close, the rest you do with halscope
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[01:32:45] <MC500> I read that page a while ago (just that one was posted at linuxcnc.org) ok halscope.... what pins do I monitor with hal scope.. pid3.bla.bla (its axis 4 I am tuning first)
[01:34:56] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PWM_Servo_Amplifiers
[01:35:08] <CaptHindsight> too tired to type
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[01:36:02] <MC500> I have that in my hand... those are not in my hal scope exatly...
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[01:37:19] <anarchos2> hmm my Y axis seems to be messing up...if i run the demo g code "LinuxCNC" multiple times in shifts all the lettering up about .5mm each time. X axis is spot on
[01:37:37] <anarchos2> using a pen as a tool and paper as the material :P
[01:37:52] <MC500> well I have to go digest all this... I will be back when I am more cognitive.... thanks for the help!!!!
[01:38:10] <anarchos2> the weird thing is it's super consistant...if it was missing steps and what not you'd thing it would be erratic
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[01:39:27] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: how do you zero?
[01:40:19] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: how about if you jog Y a set distance back and forth?
[01:40:48] <CaptHindsight> set/same, say 2" or 20mm
[01:41:15] <CaptHindsight> does it shift 0.5mm every time?
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[01:51:32] <zeeshan> now im tempted to get a servo
[01:51:38] <zeeshan> this tuning stuff is interesting
[01:51:43] <zeeshan> i learned about all this in control class
[01:51:47] <zeeshan> but ididnt know why i was learning it
[01:51:47] <zeeshan> :D
[01:51:49] <zeeshan> now i know
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[01:56:04] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_controller#Overview_of_methods
[01:58:32] <anarchos2> CaptHindsight, i'm just zeroing at my table limits (i don't have limit/home switches yet) and hitting go
[01:59:01] <anarchos2> and then once it finished, i hit the green reload button and then the play button
[01:59:11] <anarchos2> and it moves back and starts again but 0.5 mm shifted up
[01:59:22] <zeeshan> sounds like a backlash error?
[01:59:29] <zeeshan> actually nm
[01:59:30] <zeeshan> i dunno :P
[02:00:31] <CaptHindsight> anarchos2: do you also Zero it every time before you run it again?
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[02:00:41] <anarchos2> no
[02:01:04] <CaptHindsight> whats the DRO have for Y at the end of the demo?
[02:01:13] <zeeshan> anarchos2: why dont you do a simple test?
[02:01:27] <zeeshan> move each axis 1"
[02:01:31] <zeeshan> and back another 1"
[02:01:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ecnmag.com/articles/2011/07/pid-based-servo-tuning-black-art-rocket-science-or-walk-park
[02:01:40] <zeeshan> and see if they end up back to where they start
[02:01:44] <zeeshan> or draw a circle
[02:01:58] <anarchos2> yeah hmm
[02:02:15] <anarchos2> i'm at 14.831 on the Y, gonna run it again and see what happens
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[02:04:18] <anarchos2> exact same on second pass, but it's shifted
[02:05:38] <zeeshan> anarchos2: if you were nearby
[02:05:42] <zeeshan> id bring over a dial indicator
[02:05:44] <zeeshan> !
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[02:06:40] <zeeshan> hi PetefromTn_andro
[02:07:00] <PetefromTn_andro> Hey zeeshan
[02:07:30] <PetefromTn_andro> Whatzgoinon?
[02:08:05] <zeeshan> bought an optical flat
[02:08:09] <zeeshan> ebay auction :D
[02:08:10] <zeeshan> 25$!!
[02:08:19] <PetefromTn_andro> Cool
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[02:08:23] <zeeshan> i want to inspect my mics
[02:09:18] <zeeshan> what are you upto
[02:09:19] <PetefromTn_andro> Just got back from mowing the damn lawn lol
[02:09:20] <zeeshan> did you make that copper part?
[02:09:36] <PetefromTn_andro> Actually no well sorta
[02:10:02] <PetefromTn_andro> We machined it another way and also did some lathe work on it.
[02:10:25] <PetefromTn_andro> He left happy hehe
[02:11:05] <PetefromTn_andro> I picked up some more 6061 this morning in knoxvegas
[02:12:00] <PetefromTn_andro> Also ordered about a 12 foot stick of 1x2 6061 for this other rail design I am about ready to cut
[02:12:30] <PetefromTn_andro> Should make about fifteen of them for me
[02:12:48] <zeeshan> nice
[02:13:11] <PetefromTn_andro> They ran out of it when I was there today or I would have just grabbed it when I was there.
[02:13:40] <PetefromTn_andro> Supposed to be there like Wednesday or thursday morning
[02:14:37] <PetefromTn_andro> I have been getting a bunch of orders for the ones you guys saw lately and the new design should sell pretty good too I hope.
[02:14:42] <zeeshan> is metal realtively hard to get there?
[02:14:47] <zeeshan> (locally)
[02:14:51] <zeeshan> relatively
[02:14:55] <PetefromTn_andro> No not really
[02:15:11] <zeeshan> like isn't 1x2 pretty standard to stock?
[02:15:28] <PetefromTn_andro> I can order pretty much whatever I want and pick it up in a day or so
[02:15:34] <zeeshan> ah
[02:16:00] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah but they said someone else local bought a bunch of it and they ran out.
[02:16:02] <zeeshan> i was just curious cause we have factories here that produce steel and stainless and aluminum
[02:16:17] <zeeshan> so most metal is stocked
[02:16:26] <zeeshan> i was just wondering if it was any different down there :)
[02:16:39] <zeeshan> cause a lot of machinist guys seem to order metal from onlinemetals.com (on youtube)
[02:16:52] <zeeshan> which is 2.5x the price of what i pay locally
[02:17:04] <PetefromTn_andro> I figured maybe it was Connor ordered a couple tons to cut on his 0704 LOL
[02:17:05] <zeeshan> er 3.5x time by the time you account for shipping
[02:17:12] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_andro: rofl
[02:17:13] <zeeshan> prolly
[02:17:44] <PetefromTn_andro> ;)
[02:18:21] <PetefromTn_andro> I don't get great prices really due to the low amounts I buy generally
[02:18:50] <PetefromTn_andro> This stuff was like a tad less than nine bucks a foot .
[02:19:17] <zeeshan> thats not bad
[02:19:23] <zeeshan> online metals has it for 12.73 a foot
[02:19:37] <zeeshan> local place has it for 6.75 per foot
[02:19:49] <PetefromTn_andro> I checked onlinemetals and the same stuff is like twelve bucks or so I think plus shipping.
[02:20:12] <PetefromTn_andro> Yup
[02:21:02] <PetefromTn_andro> I'm good with the price it is a very small part of the cost for what I am getting for these parts.
[02:21:36] <PetefromTn_andro> Always liked to make more of course but until I start making a lot of parts this works for me.
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[02:21:56] <zeeshan> have you got a lot of orders
[02:21:57] <zeeshan> for em?
[02:23:06] <PetefromTn_andro> Nah not a lot really but lately it has picked up a bunch. I gotta make several tomorrow morning that are already spoken for.
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[02:23:56] <PetefromTn_andro> I am gonna make a small batch and pop em on the bay and see what happens.
[02:24:41] <PetefromTn_andro> The new one if it looks nice I will probably be making a bunch of those from the requests I have been getting for it.
[02:25:17] <jdh> you can always get 10% off onlinemetals. Usually 20%
[02:26:14] <PetefromTn_andro> I swear the design work is by far the hardest part of this for me. It takes me a good while to come up with a working model that I like and that I think looks nice
[02:26:15] <PetefromTn_andro> How
[02:26:37] <jdh> 10% on tuesday, or if > $100, or if they send you a special.
[02:26:58] <jdh> If you put stuff in your shopping cart and leave it for a day or two, they send you a reminder with a %% off
[02:27:10] <jdh> They send me 20% codes
[02:27:12] <PetefromTn_andro> I must be doing at least something right I have got orders from folks even in European countries somehow LOL
[02:27:29] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_andro: lol nice
[02:27:39] <PetefromTn_andro> Damn nice man thanks for the tip
[02:27:55] <jdh> no local vendors here. they are convenient if nothing else
[02:28:47] <PetefromTn_andro> I am hoping that between the stuff I design and build and the stuff from the race shop I am doings will keep me busy.
[02:28:50] <zeeshan> jdh
[02:28:52] <zeeshan> youre not in florida are you
[02:28:58] <jdh> nope :(
[02:29:01] <zeeshan> where are you
[02:29:05] <jdh> .nc.us
[02:29:33] <jdh> 25% off online orders* $100 or more!
[02:29:36] <zeeshan> i take all these local supplies for granted
[02:29:42] <PetefromTn_andro> This place I go to is like maybe twenty minute from my house.
[02:30:01] <zeeshan> i have 6 different metal suppliers within a 15 mile radius
[02:30:02] <jdh> zeeshan: I have the ocean
[02:30:06] <zeeshan> thats true
[02:30:07] <zeeshan> :(
[02:30:13] <zeeshan> i have a dirty lake..
[02:30:14] <jdh> you have 'winter'
[02:30:26] <zeeshan> where turds seem to float around
[02:30:26] <zeeshan> :D
[02:30:55] <PetefromTn_andro> I will have the damn ocean too just as soon as I sell my damn house grrr
[02:31:12] <zeeshan> https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/257659_10152078625875858_1135294630_o.jpg
[02:31:14] <zeeshan> do you have that? :D
[02:31:37] <zeeshan> i was literally 1 step from death there
[02:31:38] <jdh> nice view. I'll take mine.
[02:32:25] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/mt2xtf9
[02:32:34] <zeeshan> pretty :D
[02:32:38] <zeeshan> my pic btw was a lie
[02:32:40] <zeeshan> that was in newfoundland
[02:32:45] <zeeshan> 1800 miles away
[02:32:47] <zeeshan> when i was visting my dad
[02:32:50] <jdh> no screech here
[02:32:51] <PetefromTn_andro> There's places like that not far from here.
[02:32:55] <zeeshan> it was aug 21..
[02:33:08] <jdh> and freezing?
[02:33:08] <zeeshan> and 48F
[02:33:09] <zeeshan> ..
[02:33:17] <zeeshan> mainly next to the water
[02:33:21] <zeeshan> by land it was around 80F
[02:33:24] <zeeshan> its a huge difference.
[02:33:31] <jdh> it gets to 48 here too...in Feb.
[02:34:02] <zeeshan> https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/428948_10151962171760858_422960312_n.jpg?oh=80451089b279dfdbbb261e60eeac9020&oe=5481A0AF
[02:34:08] <zeeshan> that same cliff
[02:34:12] <zeeshan> imaging falling down there
[02:34:24] <zeeshan> size perspective, each of those boulders are about as big as a car
[02:34:37] <zeeshan> i really suck at taking photos
[02:34:42] <zeeshan> it's really hard to capture size perspective..
[02:35:26] <PetefromTn_andro> Trying to figure out how to transfer files via Bluetooth with my wifes phone.
[02:35:47] <jdh> sendto, bt, phone
[02:36:02] <zeeshan> man
[02:36:04] <PetefromTn_andro> They paired up but I want to send an album to it won't seem to do it.
[02:36:06] <zeeshan> im planning a drive next year
[02:36:53] <jdh> I'm planning a drive in teh morning.
[02:37:01] <jdh> conf. call at 7:30 :(
[02:37:01] <zeeshan> thats going to be 3500 miles
[02:37:03] <zeeshan> one way :[
[02:37:25] <zeeshan> https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Mt+Hope,+Hamilton,+ON,+Canada/Whitehorse,+YT,+Canada/@53.9530777,-113.6802263,5z/data=!4m29!4m28!1m20!1m1!1s0x882c902dd8c6946d:0x4694566cb6c75458!2m2!1d-79.9152937!2d43.1548177!3m4!1m2!1d-80.7524452!2d46.1979409!3s0x4d2eebbc7f101b13:0xfda1f909c1a8b4de!3m4!1m2!1d-87.897955!2d48.9403563!3s0x4d5c8a0207a6d7b9:0x103969000a5a5163!3m4!1m2!1d-125.0944955!2d54.0855919!3s0x53
[02:37:30] <jdh> $800 in gas for my car
[02:37:33] <PetefromTn_andro> Take the rx7 LOL
[02:37:37] <zeeshan> hahaha PetefromTn_andro
[02:37:55] <zeeshan> rx7 gets 200 miles per tank
[02:38:09] <zeeshan> each tank is 18.5 gallons
[02:38:13] <zeeshan> tank fill
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[02:38:25] <zeeshan> 35 tank files.
[02:38:35] <PetefromTn_andro> I got to drive one of their tuner cars the other day . Nice car. It sure is tight inside those things tho.
[02:38:37] <jdh> why do you want to go there?
[02:38:44] <zeeshan> $3500 in gas
[02:38:45] <zeeshan> rofl
[02:38:59] <jdh> why does anyone want to go there much less live there.
[02:39:02] <zeeshan> jdh cause its an epic drive
[02:39:05] <zeeshan> gorgeous
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[02:39:31] <jdh> leave the car and fly home?
[02:39:40] <zeeshan> no
[02:39:46] <zeeshan> drive back using another route
[02:39:51] <CaptHindsight> wow 20 hours by plane since there's no direct flight
[02:40:04] <zeeshan> with a plane, you dont capture the beauty
[02:40:15] <zeeshan> or experience the local food
[02:40:51] <jdh> why not go to fairbanks while you are driving
[02:40:55] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah deep fried beaver LOL
[02:40:56] <zeeshan> jdh might cross over
[02:40:58] <zeeshan> https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Mt+Hope,+Hamilton,+ON,+Canada/St+Anthony,+NL,+Canada/@46.7353832,-72.1488167,6z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x882c902dd8c6946d:0x4694566cb6c75458!2m2!1d-79.9152937!2d43.1548177!1m5!1m1!1s0x4b83e7d728c9edb3:0xb8ffe6caf69d9d3d!2m2!1d-55.5958649!2d51.3704156
[02:41:03] <zeeshan> this is the drive i did last year
[02:41:15] <zeeshan> i had some of the most amazing food i've ever had
[02:41:24] <jdh> seal flipper pie?
[02:41:26] <CaptHindsight> thats about the flight path to Japan, Korea, China etc, you do get quite a view from the belly cam
[02:41:26] <zeeshan> haha
[02:41:30] <zeeshan> i did have moose burgers
[02:41:41] <zeeshan> the 8 hour ferry ride in between was awesome too
[02:41:53] <jdh> I know a couple of newfies
[02:42:01] <zeeshan> jdh they're not too smart
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[02:42:02] <PetefromTn_andro> Lol
[02:42:08] <zeeshan> but they're very accomodating and hospital
[02:42:28] <Tecan> unless they want your job
[02:42:43] <Tecan> then its like a gang effort lol
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[02:43:28] <jdh> the ones I know are quite smart
[02:43:28] <zeeshan> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t1.0-9/599580_10151949442890858_2068258619_n.jpg
[02:43:29] <zeeshan> last pic
[02:43:36] <zeeshan> i wanted to take that pic so bad
[02:43:36] <zeeshan> lol
[02:43:42] <zeeshan> we frigging had wireless internet on the ferry
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[02:44:17] <skunkworks_> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/145348
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[02:45:40] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: 176 km in 8 hours by ferry?
[02:46:11] <zeeshan> yea its slow
[02:46:18] <zeeshan> but see we got there at 10 pm or something like that
[02:46:20] <zeeshan> so we just slept on the ferry
[02:46:28] <zeeshan> it was a 22 hour drive to get to the port
[02:46:39] <zeeshan> and we were exhausted, cause we drove constantly
[02:46:43] <PetefromTn_andro> You love busting mach.3. chops huh Lol
[02:47:00] <zeeshan> brian barker?
[02:47:02] <zeeshan> the gameshow host?
[02:47:06] <zeeshan> er that bob barker
[02:47:55] <PetefromTn_andro> Bring it on Bob Lol
[02:48:02] <zeeshan> mach 4 looks like a windows version
[02:48:03] <zeeshan> of linuxcnc
[02:48:07] <zeeshan> literally copied over
[02:48:09] <jdh> exhausted constant driving sounds dangerous
[02:48:15] <zeeshan> jdh no
[02:48:15] <jdh> and not conducive to seeing the beauty.
[02:48:18] <zeeshan> we had 3 drivers
[02:48:22] <PetefromTn_andro> Shades of Happy Gilmore
[02:48:27] <zeeshan> we wanted to spend most of our time in newfoundland
[02:48:32] <zeeshan> not the areas we already have been to
[02:48:40] <zeeshan> we slowed down in newfoundland
[02:49:05] <zeeshan> http://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=L7Blac32Owa9KM&tbnid=4yqFtHAN-wvsmM:&ved=0CAgQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftravel.nationalgeographic.com%2Ftravel%2Fparks%2Fgros-morne-canada-park%2F&ei=GtLqU--4MJW2yATqrILAAQ&psig=AFQjCNG6dkGoAK7QI5DdSy54bIOP-k_qiw&ust=1407984538939461
[02:49:08] <zeeshan> stopped by that park
[02:49:12] <zeeshan> http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/367/cache/western-brook-pond-gros-morne_36749_600x450.jpg
[02:49:15] <zeeshan> sorry for the prev link
[02:50:02] <PetefromTn_andro> Well nite guys talk tomorrow
[02:50:16] <zeeshan> gnite PetefromTn_andro
[02:50:19] <zeeshan> i hope you sell lots!
[02:50:35] <zeeshan> i want to see your business run =)
[02:50:41] <PetefromTn_andro> Lol yeah buddy me too.
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[02:51:23] <PetefromTn_andro> Hell I'd be happy just to keep busy and make a few bucks
[02:51:28] <PetefromTn_andro> Gn8
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[02:54:59] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: can you drive farther much north into NL?
[02:56:12] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: that is the north most point
[02:56:19] <zeeshan> well i guess its not
[02:56:24] <zeeshan> you can go 15 km more north
[02:56:30] <zeeshan> theres some viking village there
[02:57:20] <CaptHindsight> looks like only one road across the bay to the north
[02:57:39] <CaptHindsight> 510
[02:58:14] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight:
[02:58:27] <zeeshan> "l'anse aux meadows natural historic site'
[02:58:42] <zeeshan> we saw icebergs...
[02:58:46] <zeeshan> there was a polarbear chilling on one
[02:58:47] <zeeshan> lol
[02:59:20] <zeeshan> i laugh cause those things make me wonder..
[02:59:35] <zeeshan> why would you decide to float away randomly
[02:59:39] <zeeshan> without any control
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[03:02:28] <ChuangTzu_> they can swim...
[03:02:40] <zeeshan> yea
[03:02:42] <zeeshan> but they're no whale
[03:02:45] <zeeshan> they're not gonna swim for hours
[03:02:55] <zeeshan> from what i've heard
[03:03:14] <zeeshan> they'll swim to land
[03:03:21] <zeeshan> and then cause havoc on the communities
[03:03:39] <zeeshan> they float down from greeland
[03:04:09] <zeeshan> nsfw
[03:04:10] <zeeshan> http://www.arcticphoto.co.uk/Pix/QQ/80/QQ.0093-18_P.JPG
[03:04:13] <zeeshan> thats what ends up happening to them
[03:04:16] <zeeshan> .. =/
[03:06:10] <ChuangTzu_> yummy
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[03:14:18] <zeeshan> i really need to get rid of some of this stuff
[03:14:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/cEKrH7C.jpg
[03:14:20] <zeeshan> =/
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[03:24:26] <XXCoder1> is that.. spidles?
[03:24:28] <XXCoder1> why so many?
[03:24:37] <XXCoder1> I see maybe 5?
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[03:39:08] <XXCoder1> zeeshan:
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[03:42:42] <XXCoder1> damn http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROCHESTER-4-x-8-CNC-MILL-/150453948065?pt=US_Heavy_Equipment&hash=item2307c10ea1
[03:42:48] <XXCoder1> way too big for me lol
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[04:26:31] <zeeshan> haha nice XXCoder1
[04:26:46] <XXCoder1> yeah and too much cnc for me LOL
[04:26:53] <zeeshan> me too
[04:26:59] <zeeshan> unless you're planning to cnc some car chassis
[04:27:01] <zeeshan> :D
[04:27:10] <XXCoder1> would have to get few walls down at home and probably still not fit. I rent place so.. no. lol
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[04:28:54] <zeeshan> haha
[04:29:01] <zeeshan> that machine costs more than a house
[04:29:22] <XXCoder1> lol get it, build a house around it, probably cheaper ;0
[04:29:56] <zeeshan> sigh
[04:30:11] <zeeshan> im a TA for an undergraduate lab this upcoming term
[04:30:17] <zeeshan> they put a code "M3"
[04:30:21] <zeeshan> i have no idea what lab it is..
[04:30:25] <zeeshan> i requested metal forming
[04:30:31] <zeeshan> cause thats my expertise
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[04:36:16] <XXCoder1> hmm lets see what happens heh
[04:37:01] <zeeshan> i'm pretty sure its metal forming
[04:37:09] <zeeshan> like if they put me in the lab "drag on spheres"
[04:37:15] <zeeshan> which is compeltely fluid mechanics
[04:37:23] <zeeshan> i'd have to really review stuff
[04:37:38] <zeeshan> i wanna be the COOLEST lab TA!
[04:37:50] <XXCoder1> :)
[04:37:55] <XXCoder1> hm random thought
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[04:38:22] <XXCoder1> wonder if possible to make very close to perfect sphere by air pressure and certain shaped metal form
[04:38:34] <zeeshan> lol
[04:38:40] <zeeshan> you're going to find this funny.
[04:38:45] <zeeshan> i still remember it to this day
[04:38:51] <zeeshan> my final exam question for heat transfer was.....
[04:39:15] <zeeshan> using an acoustic levitation device
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[04:39:44] <zeeshan> molten metal would drop into the device
[04:39:56] <zeeshan> and acoustic levitation would shape it into a sphere..
[04:40:00] <zeeshan> a perfect sphere
[04:40:08] <zeeshan> we were to calculate the cooling time
[04:40:22] <zeeshan> accounting for radiation, natural convection, etc
[04:40:42] <zeeshan> i thought it was some 'bs' question
[04:40:50] <zeeshan> but the device exists!
[04:44:56] <XXCoder1> interesting
[04:45:05] <XXCoder1> wonder what its use for
[04:45:26] <XXCoder1> I recall bearings tend to be drop cool (long distance down fall while it cools and solidfy
[04:45:37] <XXCoder1> maybe its for even more perfect sphere bearing
[04:48:59] <zeeshan> hows your cnc project coming along
[04:49:12] <XXCoder1> stalled a bit
[04:49:16] <XXCoder1> too busy working lol
[04:49:24] <zeeshan> haha
[04:49:26] <zeeshan> i know how it feels!
[04:49:46] <zeeshan> i still need to hook up the ground wires on my cnc
[04:52:36] <XXCoder1> lol oh well eh
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[05:12:23] <XXCoder1> LOL
[05:12:24] <XXCoder1> http://bjblaster.homedns.org/blog/?x=entry:entry140716-075241
[05:12:30] <XXCoder1> one of my silly ideas exist
[05:12:43] <XXCoder1> and finally a use for all those millions AOL cds still around? ;)
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[05:18:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: Dude, get some bandwidth!
[05:18:31] <XXCoder1> huh
[05:19:14] <Jymmm> the link you gave
[05:19:23] <XXCoder1> its not my site
[05:19:48] <Jymmm> then dont post crap urls!
[05:20:12] <XXCoder1> whatfuckingever
[05:20:25] <zeeshan> guys
[05:20:27] <zeeshan> relax
[05:20:30] <zeeshan> 120am
[05:20:48] <Jymmm> it's dwg slow, then trying to watch the video its ...[PAUSE],,,[AUSE...PAUSE...PAUSE
[05:21:00] <zeeshan> =]
[05:21:27] <XXCoder1> it worked fine for me
[05:21:44] <XXCoder1> I probably used guys month bandwidth lol
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[06:14:04] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[06:36:26] <automata> hi PCW_home
[06:37:00] <automata> I have a 5i24 card and I tried to roll out my own bitfile for it.
[06:37:44] <automata> on programming the eeprom and rebooting the computer, the card is not recognized on the PCI bus with an lspci
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[06:38:35] <automata> I switched the W7 jumper to Down position to activate the alternate eeprom and the card is now recognised by lspci as well as mesaflash
[06:39:16] <automata> now question is how do I write a known good configuration to the hosed eeprom
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[06:43:46] <automata> hi mhaberler
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[06:49:23] <Deejay> moin
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[08:19:42] <automata> hi anyone know how to recover a 5i24 after the eprom has been hosed
[08:20:31] <automata> I have the card booted up using the backup eprom and I can identify the card using an eprom
[08:20:43] <automata> sorry identify the card using lspci
[08:21:04] <automata> now I want to write the configuration to the first eeprom
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[08:34:51] <Tom_itx> PCW would but he doesn't wake up for a few hrs
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[09:24:37] <automata> saw pcw_home logged on... so I thought he might be burning the late night oil!!
[09:25:25] <Jymmm> Many never log out
[09:26:12] <Jymmm> He should be around in 6 hours.
[09:36:34] <automata> i think I loaded a x25 bitfile in an x16 card
[09:36:45] <automata> and now the fpga goes to fallback
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[09:58:06] <Guest94282> Hallo zusammen
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[09:59:30] <Spida> jogging out? how is that supposed to work?
[09:59:37] <Spida> s/j/l/
[09:59:50] <Klaus-Krefeld> ist jemand aus der Nähe von Krefeld hier ?
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[10:00:43] <Klaus-Krefeld> bin absolut neu hier und habe leider keine Ahnung von Linux
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[10:20:36] <Deejay> tach krefeld-klaus
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[10:21:26] <Deejay> wo liegt das problem genau?
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[10:27:55] <Klaus-Krefeld> das problem liegt da , "es kunktioniert nichts wenn ich die Software updaten will bekomme ich Fehlermeldungen
[10:28:12] <Klaus-Krefeld> wie gesagt bin absoluter Neuling
[10:30:26] <Deejay> hmm
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[10:30:46] <Deejay> aber vorher lief es schon einmal, ja?
[10:30:58] <Klaus-Krefeld> nein es lief noch nicht
[10:31:03] <Deejay> manche sachen sollte man nicht updaten, weil es sonst probleme mit dem real-time-teil geben kann
[10:31:35] <Deejay> achso
[10:31:35] <Deejay> hm
[10:31:40] <Klaus-Krefeld> habe es so gemacht wie es in dem YouTube Video gezeigt wurde, mit Live-CD installiert
[10:31:58] <Deejay> ja, und wie weit bist du gekommen bzw. wo genau hakt es dann?
[10:32:32] <Klaus-Krefeld> es hakt schon da wenn ich meine Maschine einrichten will
[10:33:05] <Klaus-Krefeld> kann die Treiber für das Chinaboard TBA nicht finden
[10:33:38] <Deejay> aha. okay, das ist schon etwas spezieller dann
[10:33:47] <Klaus-Krefeld> in der Videoanleitung war es zumindest in deutsch :-(
[10:33:58] <Deejay> da kann ich dir leider auch nicht helfen. ich brauchte bei mir keine treiber, ist einfach am LPT dran ;)
[10:34:27] <Klaus-Krefeld> habe vorher mit Windows XP gearbeitet und mit der Mach3 Software
[10:34:55] <Klaus-Krefeld> die Karte ist auch bei mir am LPT angeschlossen
[10:35:04] <Deejay> ja, das meiste ist wohl englisch-sprachig, ebenso wie die meisten leute hier auch
[10:35:39] <Klaus-Krefeld> ich merke es :-) hätte besser in der Schule aufpassen sollen ;-)
[10:35:53] <Deejay> hihi
[10:36:25] <Deejay> hin und wieder sind paar deutsch-sprachler hier, ggf. einfach weiter versuchen und nochmal fragen
[10:36:58] <Deejay> wie wird denn dein Chinaboard angeschlossen?
[10:37:12] <Deejay> ist das usb, ne karte im rechner oder wie funktioniert das?
[10:37:30] <Klaus-Krefeld> ich war auf YouTube und da waren einige Videos von Magic33de der ist wohl aus Berlin und meistens ab 19.00 Uhr hier im Kanal
[10:38:23] <Klaus-Krefeld> die Karte wird ganz normal an den LPT angeschlossen und von da aus gehen Motor-Kabel und Sensoren von der Karte an die CNC
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[10:38:46] <Deejay> hmm, und da braucht man treiber für?
[10:39:28] <Klaus-Krefeld> das weiss ich eben nicht :-(
[10:39:40] <Deejay> ich musste bei mir halt nur einstellen, welcher pin am LPT wofür ist
[10:39:46] <Deejay> step, richtung und sowas
[10:40:10] <Klaus-Krefeld> in der Video-Anleitung war jedenfalls das TBA6560 in der Configuration aufgelistet
[10:40:46] <Deejay> hmm okay
[10:40:48] <Klaus-Krefeld> ja so habe ich das auch gehabt
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[10:43:20] <Deejay> hmm, tjo, sorry, kein plan. ich hab das damals im stepconf-wizard zusammengeklickt und gut wars ;)
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[10:43:33] <Deejay> ist aber auch schon ne weile her
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[10:44:34] <Klaus-Krefeld> ich werde es nochmal versuchen , ansonsten versuche ich heute Abend gegen 19.00 Uhr den Kollegen aus Berlin zufinden ;-)
[10:44:41] <Klaus-Krefeld> erstmal DANKE
[10:44:55] <Deejay> da nicht für, konnte ja eh nix helfen
[10:45:02] <Deejay> ist das der IchGuckLive?
[10:45:16] <Deejay> oder heißt der hier auch magic33...?
[10:45:21] * SpeedEvil turns on rot-13, and finds it doesn't help.
[10:45:23] <Klaus-Krefeld> ;-)
[10:45:28] <Deejay> hrhr SpeedEvil ;)
[10:45:50] <Klaus-Krefeld> nee auf YouTube heisst er magic33de
[10:46:22] <Klaus-Krefeld> weiss nicht wie er hier im Chat heisst
[10:46:34] <Deejay> hm okay
[10:52:04] <Klaus-Krefeld> habe gerade nochmal das Video angesehen , ja es ist "IchGuckLive"
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[10:52:13] <Deejay> jo, der ist meist gegen abend da
[10:52:19] <Deejay> so ziemlich regelmäßig
[10:52:50] <Klaus-Krefeld> dann habe ich ja noch Hoffnung ;-)
[10:52:58] <Deejay> :)
[10:55:41] <Loetmichel> klas: die chips heissen TB6560
[10:55:50] <Loetmichel> und treiber brauchts da keine, die hängen am parallelport
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[10:55:58] <Loetmichel> dein PC hat doch hoffentlich noch einen?
[10:56:01] <Loetmichel> echten?
[10:56:05] <Loetmichel> Klaus-Krefeld
[10:56:10] <Klaus-Krefeld> ja den hat er :-)
[10:56:16] <Loetmichel> btw: hier is englisch
[10:57:35] <Loetmichel> mal google befragen
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[10:58:47] <Loetmichel> hmm, OF->kr = 265 km... das is ein bisschen viel, aber wenn sich kein anderer findet fahr ich zu dir...
[10:58:57] <Loetmichel> @ Klaus-Krefeld
[10:59:07] <Klaus-Krefeld> habe ich schon gemacht . daher bin ich ja hier auf den Chat gekommen
[10:59:21] <Loetmichel> kannst du englisch?
[10:59:27] <Klaus-Krefeld> ne soviel Umstände möchte ich nicht machen
[10:59:34] <Klaus-Krefeld> leider nicht so gut
[11:00:00] <Loetmichel> macht nix, ich auch nicht ;-)
[11:00:05] <Loetmichel> machen wir mal auf englsich weiter
[11:00:51] <Deejay> hihi
[11:00:53] <Loetmichel> i would drive to you if noone else is nearer than me. but i would do that on saturday as the earliest time i amm free
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[11:01:04] <IchGuckLive> hi all ;-)
[11:01:10] <Deejay> there he is!
[11:01:15] <Deejay> IchGuckLive, dein typ wird verlangt ;)
[11:01:15] <Loetmichel> mornin' IchGuckLive
[11:01:32] <IchGuckLive> Ich heute wollen alle was von mir
[11:01:57] <IchGuckLive> ich war auf YouTube und da waren einige Videos von Magic33de
[11:02:00] <IchGuckLive> B)
[11:02:09] <Klaus-Krefeld> Hallo IchGuckLive
[11:02:16] <IchGuckLive> servus
[11:02:38] <IchGuckLive> lass mich bitte erst die logs lesen damit weis um was es geht
[11:02:50] <Klaus-Krefeld> schaue mir gerade nochmal die Videos an , um vielleicht meine Maschine mit LinuxCNC zu betreiben
[11:03:13] <Klaus-Krefeld> ok keine Hektik ich habe Zeit
[11:03:31] <Loetmichel> Klaus-Krefeld: if you come over to euirc server on #cnc-channeld: there we speak german
[11:03:32] <IchGuckLive> Ich ab heute auch RENTE
[11:03:34] <Loetmichel> :-9
[11:03:36] <Loetmichel> )
[11:03:47] <Loetmichel> -d
[11:03:55] <Deejay> IchGuckLive, alte sack ;-) *duck*
[11:03:57] <Deejay> +r
[11:04:44] <IchGuckLive> Klaus-Krefeld: es gibt keien treiber für den parallelport das geht alles von hause aus
[11:05:00] <IchGuckLive> Klaus-Krefeld: isses ein rotes oder blaues TBA
[11:05:09] <Loetmichel> HRRRMPF
[11:05:22] <Deejay> gesundheit, Loetmichel
[11:05:26] <Loetmichel> the chip is calles TB6560, NOT TBA 6560
[11:05:35] <Klaus-Krefeld> okay , habe nur in dem Video gesehen das es aufgelistet war
[11:05:43] <Klaus-Krefeld> es ist das blaue Board
[11:05:51] <IchGuckLive> tha A stands for 3.5A not 2.5 New HQ
[11:06:00] <Klaus-Krefeld> 3,5
[11:06:16] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: you are, as always: wrong
[11:06:27] <IchGuckLive> agrees
[11:06:47] <Loetmichel> the tb6560 can do 3.5A
[11:07:13] <Loetmichel> and here is still english the main langugage. do the german things in query or make yourself a channel or whatever
[11:07:20] <IchGuckLive> the new brand on the chip is A no more HQ
[11:07:56] <IchGuckLive> since 6600 came out the production line changed branding i think
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[11:08:25] <Loetmichel> or you are making stuff um
[11:08:31] <Loetmichel> there IS no tba6560
[11:08:43] <Loetmichel> that would not fit the toshiba numbering scheme
[11:08:50] <Loetmichel> tba are audio amoplifiers
[11:09:28] <Loetmichel> <- getting pissed again, like tis morning when all my co-workers fled to the other office upstairs
[11:10:31] <IchGuckLive> michel you shoudt change your DEODORAND !"
[11:10:44] <Loetmichel> because they are niot used to me getting loud and angry
[11:12:56] <IchGuckLive> agrees once more
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[13:30:01] <JT-Shop> what a nice morning in Swamp East Missouri
[13:30:14] <IchGuckLive> its raining here
[13:31:02] <jdh> poured here again on the way home yesterday then cleared up enough to go riding.
[13:38:39] <JT-Shop> I went out riding yesterday and got some wonderful chigger bites
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[13:41:30] <jdh> heh, don't ride through swamp trails!
[13:41:40] <jdh> I did 30 road miles
[13:42:01] <JT-Shop> the trails are in pretty good shape and in the hills so no swamp to cross
[13:42:31] <JT-Shop> I put an odometer on the bike but can't figure out how to zero the miles
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[13:59:36] <jdh> hold the right button for 3 seconds
[13:59:47] <jdh> or the left. or some combination of the above.
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[14:06:10] <skunkworks> http://pastebin.com/FucZuEzN
[14:06:29] <skunkworks> I remember there being a way to fix this.. but I cannot find it
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[14:07:29] <jdh> looks like your DNS is hosed?
[14:07:50] <jdh> does 'host security.debian.org' return anything?
[14:07:58] <cradek> do you have a network connection at all?
[14:08:03] <skunkworks> heh - yes.
[14:08:18] <skunkworks> (yes I have network connection)
[14:08:55] <cradek> usually the dns server information would come from the dhcp server
[14:09:45] <Valen> try cat /etc/resolv.conf
[14:10:05] <Valen> it'll tell you what its using for your nameserver
[14:10:34] <skunkworks> huh. I ran it again and only got 'Could not resolve 'security.debian.org''
[14:10:45] <pcw_home> automata: (should you read the log)
[14:10:47] <pcw_home> if you hosed the user config area with the wrong type of bitfile, just re-write the proper bitfile with mesaflash
[14:10:57] <skunkworks> maybe it is network issues
[14:11:39] <Valen> I suggest doing cat /etc/resolv.conf
[14:11:47] <Valen> then ping whatever the nameserver you get is
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[14:18:02] <jdh> or echo nameserver >>/etc/resolv.conf and see if it gets better.
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[14:23:54] <skunkworks> jdh - it is dns issues.. I changed it to and bam
[14:24:46] <jdh> BAM!
[14:25:02] <skunkworks> exactly
[14:25:13] <jdh> and as a side effect, the google can track you even better now.
[14:25:20] <skunkworks> Yay!
[14:26:13] <skunkworks> I was reading the error as I didn't have the gpg keys setup correctlt
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[14:37:58] <CaptHindsight> AMD 4 core APU's are behaving well now with the new 3.4.9 (pae)RTAI and Wheezy, you have to turn off kernel mode settings and use isolcpus=0.1.2 and the 25uS base thread runs <8uS
[14:49:07] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: If you isolcpus=0,1,2, aren't you forcing single-core?
[14:50:30] <FinboySlick> I've had mild success forcing just linuxcnc to a single isolated core (leaving the remaining ones for the system). Been a while since I played with it though.
[14:51:50] <CaptHindsight> this is with RTAI
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[14:52:49] <CaptHindsight> and the scheduler is RTAI is a bit broken right now
[14:53:34] <CaptHindsight> since it has kernel and user space I believe that this forces real time to run on the last core only
[14:53:47] <FinboySlick> OK, so setting cpu affinifty for the linuxcnc processes to your isolated core doesn't yield expected results?
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[14:54:18] <CaptHindsight> isolcpus is bassakwards in RTAI right now
[14:54:38] <FinboySlick> Alright.
[14:55:31] <CaptHindsight> what should be (or was correct) isolcpus=3 for a 4 core is now isolcpus=0,1,2 to get the same result
[14:56:51] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: It doesn't force *everything* to the last core?
[14:59:22] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: with things so broken I'm not sure yet, I'm checking
[15:04:44] <FinboySlick> BTW, are fowler tools cheapo stuff or did I just find really good deals?
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[15:07:56] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: it looks like it runs RTAI on the last core but non RT on the first 3 cores
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[15:08:37] <FinboySlick> Well, that's good... Though definitely ambiguous.
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[15:09:02] <CaptHindsight> getting used to wheezy and not all the utils are installed yet
[15:10:07] <CaptHindsight> RTAI has the two kernel approach as did Xenomai up until v2
[15:10:36] <CaptHindsight> now xenomai for v3 is going the RT way with one kernel only
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[15:15:30] <CaptHindsight> xenomai v3 discontinues kernel space APIs
[15:15:57] <CaptHindsight> so they don't seem to be concerned about losing 3-20uS by abandoning kernel space
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[15:29:18] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: I just tried it on ubuntu 12.04 with 3.4.9 pae RTAI and the system monitor shows only 1 core being used
[15:29:44] <CaptHindsight> so it's hard to tell since RTAI and the tools in the distros are so broken
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[15:38:49] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: I'll have to do ore testing with isolcpus and setting the CPU affinity
[15:39:31] <CaptHindsight> my understanding is that you set isolcpus to isolate that cpu from running any regular tasks
[15:40:08] <CaptHindsight> then you use CPU affinity to assign RTAI taska to just that isolated cpu core
[15:40:42] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: The doc says that isolcpu will remove a cpu from the kernel SMP list. As such, the only way to run on a cpu listed in isolcpu would be to explicitly set affinity.
[15:41:03] <CaptHindsight> we agree
[15:42:11] <CaptHindsight> now with RTAI being broken we'll have to see what settings actually work vs what the docs say
[15:42:37] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Indeed.
[15:42:38] <CaptHindsight> it looks like it working in wheezy, but not with precise
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[15:54:18] <mozmck> With Xenomai going to the RT kernel, what advantage do they offer over just using the RT kernel?
[15:56:05] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: with the xenomai v3 it's going to be about the same
[15:58:44] <CaptHindsight> the preempt_rt project said they down to one main dev with no funding
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[16:00:35] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: http://xenomai.org/introducing-xenomai-3/
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[16:24:35] <mozmck> Yeah, I saw that, but I'm not sure why xenomai needs to exist anymore if it's just a layer on top of preempt-rt now.
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[16:26:45] <automata> hi pcw_home
[16:28:47] <pcw_home> Hi automata
[16:29:21] <automata> i accedintely put x25 bitfile in an x16 5i24
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[16:29:45] <automata> the card gives a red light for fallback
[16:30:26] <automata> i changed the jumper w7 to load the alternate eeprom
[16:30:43] <automata> and the card comes up allright...
[16:31:20] <automata> question is how do i write a correct bitfile to the first eeprom that is hosed
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[16:32:46] <automata> i wrote a new x16 bitfile to another 5i24 card and that works allright
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[16:33:21] <automata> so i am ble to write bitfiles to 5i24 using mesaflash
[16:34:00] <automata> but i have not fiddled with the hosed card inncase i mess it up further
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[16:37:19] <pcw_home> automata: if you get a blinking red light (fallback indication), do no change any jumpers, simply reflash with correct bitfile
[16:37:43] <automata> card is not recognized by lspci
[16:37:54] <automata> so cant flash it
[16:38:53] <automata> but changing the w7 jumper gets the card recognized by lspci and i can load hm2_pci
[16:39:14] <pcw_home> OK in that case, boot on secondary EEPROM, move jumper back to primary and reflash
[16:40:07] <automata> so i move the jumper while the card is in the slot and power is on??
[16:40:12] <pcw_home> yes
[16:40:37] <automata> just a little scared to do that ;-)
[16:40:51] <automata> but i'll try it first thing in the morning
[16:40:59] <pcw_home> only way to re-write the primary EEPROM
[16:41:19] <automata> thanks
[16:41:22] <pcw_home> (if it wont boot)
[16:41:48] <pcw_home> fallback does not work if you write a valid but wrong bitfile
[16:42:13] <automata> yup.. that is what i discovered!!
[16:42:37] <automata> red light is continuously on
[16:42:40] <pcw_home> it work fine if you write garbage or interrupt the write
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[16:43:22] <pcw_home> but not with a valid but incorrect bit file
[16:43:58] <pcw_home> probably mesaflash should have not allowed the write
[16:44:18] <automata> we should look into that...
[16:44:54] <automata> ill take a look at mesaflash code too right now and see how that can be done
[16:46:00] <gene78> I can't loadrt a debounce module with cfg!=1. Ideas?
[16:46:08] <automata> card has an id and so the bitfile also lists the fpga part numeber
[16:46:29] <pcw_home> Theres no low level way to check FPGA on a 5I24 size but since the IDROM is always available
[16:46:31] <pcw_home> it can be checked there
[16:46:41] <automata> those 2 can be compared
[16:46:53] <pcw_home> Yeah
[16:47:31] <pcw_home> not needed on 6I24 since like 6I25 it can always be fixed via GPIO bits on bridge
[16:47:57] <automata> we can have a default option for checking which can be overriden by a switch
[16:48:21] <automata> ie option on the command ine
[16:49:03] <automata> also in case of no idrom on the fpga, we can turn off the checking
[16:49:30] <automata> asuming that no idrom implies ppl kind of know what they are doing
[16:49:42] <pcw_home> Yes if no IDROM/no PCI must be PCIE or theres no hope of proceeding
[16:49:53] <automata> yup
[16:50:11] <automata> can u guide me to latest sorece for mesaflash
[16:50:24] <gene78> too bad I can't spell cfg.....
[16:50:48] <automata> last i heard it was on micges personal github account
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[16:51:06] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:51:09] <pcw_home> yep that where it is
[16:51:41] <automata> do u have a link handy??
[16:52:20] <pcw_home> just google mesaflash (thats what I d0)
[16:52:52] <automata> k
[16:54:49] <pcw_home> latest bitfiles support ICAP writes so its possible to load/boot the fallback config without CPU reboot
[16:54:50] <pcw_home> which might be a safer way to test unknown to be working bitfiles
[16:55:08] <automata> https://github.com/micges/mesaflash
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[16:56:15] <automata> is the PCI bus slave code is implemented in the toppcihostmot2.vhd file?
[16:57:44] <pcw_home> yes
[16:58:26] <automata> seems a bit terse for a complete pic bus slave...
[16:58:49] <pcw_home> not much involved for a PCI target only
[16:59:28] <pcw_home> Do-able in a small CPLD
[16:59:44] <automata> huh!! never thought it to be so small...
[17:00:43] <pcw_home> bus masters are quite a bit more complicated
[17:01:24] <automata> how come the cypress guys make such
[17:01:30] <automata> BIG IC's
[17:02:02] <automata> for the bus slaves
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[17:04:21] <pcw_home> Well in our case the "local bus" is simple, synchronous and direct and we only have one BAR so not a lot there
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[17:05:46] <automata> ok
[17:06:58] <pcw_home> it only took me a couple days to write it
[17:07:00] <pcw_home> and about 4 million reboots :-)
[17:11:40] <automata> :-)
[17:12:17] <automata> do you have some pointers to PCI documentation?
[17:12:45] <pcw_home> design by correction vs correct by design
[17:12:54] <automata> haha
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[17:13:18] <pcw_home> I just used the Mindset PCI book
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[17:16:54] <pcw_home> we also have the PCI sig PCI and PCIE databooks (before they got insanely expensive)
[17:17:26] <automata> ok
[17:17:44] <pcw_home> but the Mindset book is sufficient
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[17:18:55] <automata> no google hits for "mindset pci book"
[17:19:33] <IchGuckLive> automata: only set on his mind O.O
[17:20:35] <automata> ichgucklive: I guess that is the only way to get something as big as a PCI slave done!!
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[17:23:22] <IchGuckLive> thats the way the world an humanity goes forward
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[17:27:50] <pcw_home> sorry _mindshare_
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[17:47:13] <IchGuckLive> im off fr today has been a long day starting at 3:15 am BYE till tomorrow
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[21:34:15] <SquirrelCZECH> any tips
[21:34:21] <SquirrelCZECH> for paper labels?
[21:34:24] <SquirrelCZECH> *cable labels
[21:34:29] * SquirrelCZECH needs something nice
[21:34:31] <Tom_itx> of what sort?
[21:34:42] <SquirrelCZECH> reprap i3
[21:34:46] <SquirrelCZECH> http://squirrel.veverak.org/photo/IMG_1652.jpg
[21:34:48] <SquirrelCZECH> (bad photo)
[21:35:01] <SquirrelCZECH> but I suppose it's impossible to "track" the cable in this one
[21:35:11] <Tom_itx> i do this with single wires: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/breadboard_basic_side.jpg
[21:35:26] <Tom_itx> print on a label and heat shrink over it
[21:35:48] <andypugh> Heat-shrink ans a Dymo machine (“Permanent” style tape) works nicely.
[21:35:50] <Tom_itx> you can get a whole list of em on a single label
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[21:36:12] <SquirrelCZECH> yeah
[21:36:16] <SquirrelCZECH> heat shrinks sounds nice
[21:37:06] <andypugh> Or, more cheaply: http://www.amazon.com/HellermannTyton-RO514-Rite-On-Self-Laminating-Dispenser/dp/B00D8PO0QO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1407965814&sr=8-3&keywords=rite+on+label
[21:37:15] * SquirrelCZECH thought about finding somethng in local stationary
[21:38:00] <andypugh> Ah, wait, you are in CZ?
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[21:38:29] <andypugh> http://cz.rs-online.com/web/c/?sra=oss&r=t&searchTerm=rite-on&x=-784&y=-73
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[21:39:35] <SquirrelCZECH> perfect :D
[21:40:23] <andypugh> Though RS also do short lengths of glue-filled heat-shrink ideal for Dymo tape labels. (And a Dymo machine is good to have).
[21:40:42] <SquirrelCZECH> ok
[21:40:44] <SquirrelCZECH> well
[21:40:48] <SquirrelCZECH> it's only for this project :D
[21:41:41] <andypugh> I have http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dymo-Label-Manager-280-Maker/dp/B00AOHBRJM but there are cheaper ones.
[21:41:53] <andypugh> You will find yourself labelling everything you own :-)
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[21:42:48] <andypugh> Right, let me see if the milling machine finished the part before reaching the vice jaws :-)
[21:43:01] <SquirrelCZECH> :D
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[22:28:24] <koss> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00464E5P2/fpv-20/
[22:28:27] <koss> cheap
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[23:31:47] <MC500> anyone up for helping with PID tuning???
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[23:33:28] <andypugh> MC500: Have you seen JT’s tutorial?
[23:33:37] <andypugh> Torque-mode or Velocity-mode?
[23:34:37] <MC500> I think its Torquie but I am not sure how to tell
[23:35:16] <MC500> This was a working machine at one point ant I blew the hard drive
[23:35:24] <MC500> so I am trying to get it back to where it was
[23:35:30] <andypugh> Does the drive see the encoder data? Are there tachometers? If neither then it can’t be velocity-mode.
[23:35:51] <MC500> yes the encoders work fine and I measured the feed back on the hal pin and they match exatly
[23:36:36] <MC500> the problem I am having is if I set everyting to 0 and increase P untill it ocilates, that never happens
[23:36:55] <andypugh> Sorry, perhaps the question wasn’t clearly expressed. Does the servo drive have a connection to the encoders or to some tachometers? (It is taken for granted that LinuxCNC sees the encoder data)
[23:37:01] <MC500> Velocity has alot to do with it and there is never metnion what to set that to
[23:37:49] <andypugh> How high have you taken P?
[23:38:12] <MC500> well the servo motors are AC and hooked up to Baldor drives which are hooked up to EMC and then the encoders
[23:38:17] <MC500> 30000
[23:38:21] <MC500> or more
[23:38:25] <MC500> just playing around
[23:38:35] <MC500> what should I start ot with for Velocity
[23:38:53] <andypugh> It depends on so many things.
[23:39:10] <PCW> what happens when you try to jog with P set at 30000?
[23:39:17] <MC500> well if I go beyond 10 in velocity it starts to zing all over the place
[23:39:30] <PCW> zing meaning?
[23:39:40] <andypugh> “velocity” meaning?
[23:39:44] <MC500> axis moves real fast and error
[23:40:13] <PCW> can you jog your axis at all?
[23:40:16] <andypugh> You still haven’t said whether the encoders conect to the drives.
[23:40:35] <MC500> sorry MAX_VELOCITY in the the calibration
[23:40:59] <MC500> the encoders connect to the sevo to go card
[23:41:19] <MC500> which is the ISA card I am using
[23:41:21] <PCW> can you jog at all?
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[23:41:52] <MC500> yea some axis work ok with old configurations I have dug up othes dont
[23:42:03] <MC500> Ithe X axis I can jog but it errors
[23:42:11] <MC500> the y and z work fine If I go slow
[23:42:20] <MC500> A is the same as X
[23:42:55] <MC500> A is rotary
[23:43:03] <andypugh> So the actual drive has no idea what the motor is doing? (other than perhaps some Hall sensors for commutation?)
[23:43:08] <PCW> what are your ferror limits? You probably need to make them large temporarily while tuning
[23:44:14] <MC500> drive as in the ampifier or the motor? but yea either way its through the stg isa card not directly hooked up
[23:44:44] <MC500> Linear scales on 3 axis direct read and the 4th is rotary axis directly connected
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[23:46:09] <PCW> so first widen ferror limits
[23:46:11] <PCW> then verify feedback is correct for all axis (doesn't runaway when jogged)
[23:46:12] <PCW> then proceed to tune
[23:48:21] <PCW> ( you need to know if there are torque or velocity mode drives to determine tuning strategy)
[23:48:21] <andypugh> Typically a velocity mode drive has encoder wires (or tach wires) from the motor to the servo-amp, and then encoder and velocity command wires from the Servo Amp to the PC. A torque mode setup typically has wires from the encoder on the motor direct to the PC, and other wires from the PC to the servo-amp to send the torque request.
[23:48:22] <PCW> If these are older DC brushed drives they are most likely velocity mode
[23:48:45] <andypugh> He said they are Baldo AC drives/motors
[23:49:04] <MC500> they are Baldor A/C servo motors with Baldor amps
[23:49:13] <MC500> or frequency drives I guess
[23:49:57] <PCW> in any case first step is widen ferror limits so it doesn't just fault immediately
[23:50:35] <MC500> FERROR = 1.270 MIN_FERROR = 0.254
[23:50:49] <MC500> for the axis in question...
[23:50:54] <MC500> cool thanks I will try that
[23:50:55] <PCW> mm or inch?
[23:50:59] <MC500> inch
[23:51:13] <andypugh> Maybe already wide enough then
[23:51:20] <MC500> oh
[23:51:34] <andypugh> Well, 1” for each should be OK.
[23:51:55] <andypugh> (as long as you stay more than 1” from the hard stops)
[23:52:00] <MC500> I will try that and see if it goes better
[23:52:38] <PCW> Yeah 1 inch for all should be safe (it wont run any better but you should be able to see whats happening)
[23:53:12] <MC500> cool thank you
[23:53:48] <andypugh> Increasing P until it oscillates only works if you are trying to make it move at the same time
[23:55:19] <MC500> ok how would I make it move at the same time.. I am just jogging it in manual mode
[23:55:42] <MC500> I am sending it back and forth an inch
[23:56:24] <andypugh> That’s one way, and certainly that’s how I started with my machine (which, incidentally, I decided I should try re-tuning today)
[23:56:50] <andypugh> An inch might be a bit far actually.
[23:57:10] <andypugh> Have you found Halscope? That can be rather useful.
[23:57:18] <MC500> well ferror seemd to open it up, it moves 2 inches before it errors now
[23:57:23] <FinboySlick> I'd be interested to learn what velocity or torque mode implies too. I assume that it's internal to the drive and has to do with how it maintains or moves to an encoder position. Does it mean that it'll try to vary one of those variables until the position is on target?
[23:58:00] <MC500> this is such a slow computer and hal scope is very slow... and I have not figured out how to use it.. what signals should I be looking at in hal scope?
[23:58:28] <andypugh> It refers to what the effect of your control input has on the drive. On a velocity-mode drive 5V means “move the motor at half speed”. On a torque-mode drive it means “half of max current please"
[23:59:05] <andypugh> Scope motor-pos-cmd, motor-pos-feedback and f-error
[23:59:21] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Got it :) Thanks.