#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-08-12

[00:00:12] <chopper791> in the video?
[00:00:22] <asah> not exe boxes, but the original exe board from the maho.
[00:00:41] <tjtr33> ah
[00:00:55] <asah> chopper791: no, tjtr33 is referring to other postings (I have a build thread on practical machinist… might be that)
[00:01:23] <chopper791> oh... gonna say, chances of me picking a random video and it has him in it.
[00:01:25] <asah> there is a differential drive chip in the original board, but they are only pushing out one lead per signal.
[00:01:55] <asah> which is odd.
[00:02:12] <asah> my error is that the b channel on the quadrature board is not reading correctly.
[00:02:22] <asah> but if I swap the inputs the b is still the problem.
[00:02:30] <asah> so it seems mesa related.
[00:02:38] <chopper791> So if my scale is off it would make the distance per hole off by the 1.7% or .051" of an inch right
[00:02:54] <asah> I scoped the original quadrature signals and they look pretty clean.
[00:02:56] <chopper791> mm to inch
[00:02:58] <CaptHindsight> 1.6% I was rounding up after adding some lash
[00:03:04] <chopper791> got ya
[00:03:06] <asah> one of the channels has a small amount of noise in it, but not much.
[00:03:24] <asah> I sent off the screen caps to peter, I hope he has time to look at it soon. =)
[00:03:47] <chopper791> sweet well I will give it a try. Thanks again everyone for the help on this. Now if I can get the .0001 position to stop fluttering back and forth I might be set
[00:03:50] <tjtr33> chopper791, yes, any motion would show that error
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[00:04:08] <CaptHindsight> chopper791: let us know if it works
[00:04:12] <tjtr33> asah, did you try swapping axis drives/mototrs?
[00:05:06] <CaptHindsight> people will just disappear and we never hear the good news
[00:05:09] <asah> this was with the servos off. just hand spinning the axis.
[00:05:24] <CaptHindsight> just the it's broke how do I fix it?
[00:05:24] <chopper791> Will do, the jog pendant issue I was having the other day was corrected when I checked my wiring again... White and white with grey not the same!!! So I was trying to use my pendent with A and A/... Did not work that well for me.
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[00:06:23] <chopper791> I could see some people doing that Capt
[00:06:33] <tjtr33> damn yesterday found a blue wire with 2 white stripes, (already had one blue with a single stripe ) wonder how many notes are wrong now
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[00:07:05] <chopper791> I try to give my feed back of things that corrected the issue. I have failed sometimes.
[00:07:44] <chopper791> Yeah I was using a 50pr trunk line and missed the wire due to the stripe. Felt stupid afterwards on wasting your guys time and mine
[00:08:23] <chopper791> sorry 25pr line
[00:09:02] <tjtr33> scsi twisted pair flatband ( i want a belt made of that ... ubergeek!)
[00:12:11] <chopper791> Oh speaking wiring.... On the servos I have The ground, main inputs from servo drivers, there are 2 white wired coming from the servo motor that were never hooked up with the old controller. Any idea what they are? it looks like they are attached to some sort of hall sensor.
[00:12:31] <chopper791> on the motor case
[00:13:25] <chopper791> If they are a hall pickup then what would be the benefit to using them as the old controller did not?
[00:14:12] <tjtr33> guesses wont help you, try to see what they are connected to ( motor temp, tacho, 2 wires dosent sound like halls, but again, just guesses )
[00:14:32] <chopper791> DO not have any info on the motors as the company is no longer and I can not find anything online.
[00:14:44] <chopper791> MSI servos is all I can tell ya
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[00:16:05] <chopper791> works without them but just trying to find out for my own knowledge and if they are beneficial then great. Part of me thinks maybe they are some type of sensor to monitor load, but I am probably way off.
[00:17:25] <chopper791> hard telling I guess... I will keep looking. Thanks again for the help everyone. Time to get onto my 3d printer builds.
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[00:21:36] <PetefromTn_andro> Evening fellow CNC junkies LoL
[00:22:48] <asah> hey pete.
[00:23:10] <PetefromTn_andro> Asah hey man whatzgoinon?
[00:23:25] <asah> wishing I was working on my mill. =)
[00:24:26] <PetefromTn_andro> Well get on it man hehe
[00:24:41] <asah> working on my real job… =)
[00:24:45] <asah> it was a productive weekend though.
[00:25:46] <PetefromTn_andro> Sitting here digesting some delicious steak fajitas nachos and watching a nasty lightning storm outside my bedroom window. Jeez some serious light shows lately
[00:26:03] <PetefromTn_andro> What real job
[00:26:37] <asah> software dev.
[00:27:10] <PetefromTn_andro> Aah
[00:28:35] <PetefromTn_andro> I didn't get much milling done today unfortunately tomorrow I am gonna get some more 6061 and get going again.
[00:29:27] <PetefromTn_andro> What kinda software are us developing
[00:31:30] <asah> I should be “done” today or tomorrow with a physical therapy application to help analyze knee risk in patients.
[00:31:43] <asah> computer vision thing using the kinect.
[00:32:16] <PetefromTn_andro> Interesting
[00:33:56] <asah> what are you building? rifle scope riser I think I remember?
[00:34:30] <PetefromTn_andro> I broke my damn best pair of Sony studio monitor headphones the other day and have been borrowing my wife's in ear buds and I am starting to wonder what a quality pair of earbuds can sound like. these are cheap ones but they sound pretty damn good really.
[00:35:47] <tjtr33> asah kinect stuff i played with, animating puppets, fun, used projector outside at night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY2dC9fi02s
[00:35:53] <PetefromTn_andro> Yeah I have been making a couple versions of a droop compensating scope riser for Feinwerkbau. Precision rifles as well as a couple other things
[00:38:01] <PetefromTn_andro> I am kinda amazed at the amount of bass these earbuds can produce. I guess since they kinda plug the ear opening almost completely they can use your entire ear to make a chamber for the sound.
[00:38:56] <PetefromTn_andro> If they weren't pink with flowers on them I might have had to confiscate them Lol
[00:41:45] <asah> tjtr33: cool stuff. looks like people must have had a great time with it. that was a while ago!
[00:42:10] <asah> I love the shadow puppet thing. In a former life I did some animation as well.
[00:43:32] <PetefromTn_andro> Apparently Robin Williams is dead from an apparent suicide they are saying damn that is so sad.
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[00:45:04] <tjtr33> asah your medical work sounds interesting tho, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jORsG8AG72I&feature=player_embedded
[00:45:08] <asah> we heard…
[00:45:55] <PetefromTn_andro> Oh did ya sorry.
[00:46:46] <asah> no sorry. big loss. I have bumped into him a couple of times around here.
[00:47:06] <asah> tjtr33: cool stuff… hard.
[00:50:14] <PetefromTn_andro> Just found out my new HTC one smartphone has an ir blaster that can control my tv and surround suou
[00:50:24] <PetefromTn_andro> Sound system
[00:51:17] <PetefromTn_andro> It works on my tv but the codes did not work on my denon receiver and our original remote is among the missing
[00:51:45] <PetefromTn_andro> Is there another way to get the actual ir code scheme
[00:52:33] <tjtr33> google ir sniffer
[00:52:44] <tjtr33> not easy
[00:53:42] <PetefromTn_andro> Okay thanks for the suggestion
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[01:00:51] <tjtr33> asah if you have a Leap, this app is free https://airspace.leapmotion.com/apps/marionette-zoo/windows
[01:02:05] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_andro: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DENON-A-V-Universal-REMOTE-CONTROL-RC-970-/271494629627
[01:02:19] <CaptHindsight> maybe as a last resort
[01:03:15] <asah> no leap. just kinect. leap seems cool.
[01:04:01] <PetefromTn_andro> Thanks man. Honestly the original remote for this thing is an amazing learning remote that controls everything in my living room but it got broken under the couch one day unfortunately
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[01:04:33] <PetefromTn_andro> I have considered getting another one but they are like a hundred bucks
[01:05:28] <PetefromTn_andro> Thus my surprise and excitement when I learned my new phone might possibly be able to take it's place at least somewhat
[01:06:07] <CaptHindsight> the problem always was having the 1-2 devices that used some different format
[01:06:20] <PetefromTn_andro> I can't believe the camera options this phone has freaking amazing really.
[01:06:28] <CaptHindsight> B&O was one
[01:06:54] <PetefromTn_andro> Aah bang and olufsen
[01:07:15] <PetefromTn_andro> Good expensive stuff LOL
[01:08:20] <PetefromTn_andro> I think the denon all use the same stuff but there are many models so this one was left out apparently. The phone can Lear.
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[01:08:36] <PetefromTn_andro> Learn if you have the originalremote
[01:09:14] <PetefromTn_andro> Damn I suk at cellphone typing hehe
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[01:13:55] <anarchos1> Does it sound normal that the end of my ball screws didn't have flats on them?
[01:14:13] <anarchos1> so that the lovejoy coupler's set screw is just holding onto something round?
[01:15:44] <PetefromTn_andro> Mine had round ends with a slot and the couplers were crimped on into those recesses
[01:16:10] <anarchos1> hmm, mine are just round.
[01:16:20] <anarchos1> and only held on with a set screw as far as i know
[01:16:50] <PetefromTn_andro> What kinda machine
[01:17:00] <anarchos1> X2 with a CNC Fusion kit
[01:17:06] <anarchos1> just got the kit in the mail today
[01:18:15] <PetefromTn_andro> On my small mill I just pinned them through the shaft
[01:18:47] <PetefromTn_andro> Never had any problems after that
[01:21:10] <Connor> anarchos1: You need to grin or file the flats yourself.
[01:21:24] <Connor> or use a different style coupler.. clamp style vs set screw..
[01:21:31] <CaptHindsight> you'd think a kit would do that for you
[01:22:03] <anarchos1> yeah that's what i thought
[01:22:04] <Connor> and lovejoy's aren't the best choice for couplers either.
[01:22:11] <anarchos1> since they even ship it "assembled"
[01:22:36] <Connor> No. What if you want to use clamp style? Flats could cause issue..
[01:22:44] <CaptHindsight> heh DIY "kit" comes with a one block of steel and one block of aluminum
[01:22:52] <anarchos1> they also have the worlds worst instructions on how install it
[01:22:58] <anarchos1> it's all been trial and error :P
[01:23:24] <Connor> Use Oldham couplers.
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[01:24:42] <CaptHindsight> maybe the ballscrews are so soft when your tighten the set screws they will deeply score the ends and keep it from slipping
[01:24:57] <Connor> Umm.. No.
[01:25:04] <CaptHindsight> I've had motor shafts like that
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[01:25:53] <Connor> Other reason they may come that way is, you may want to cut a key slot..
[01:25:56] <PetefromTn_andro> Sure man could happen easily
[01:25:57] <Connor> for use with pulleys..
[01:26:44] <Connor> Much rather not having flats, gives me the choice of what I want to use.
[01:27:45] <tjtr33> heres a few types , using no keys, no dog screws, http://www.ruland.com/ps_couplings.asp?gclid=COK1loHJjMACFVJo7AodVEwAdw
[01:28:23] <Connor> Those are the clampping style I was talking about.
[01:29:04] <Connor> http://www.mcmaster.com/#oldham-couplings/=t8nv12
[01:31:54] <anarchos1> it seems weird they'd sell a "you only need to drill two holes!!" kit with somethign you'd need to grind your own keyways into
[01:31:59] <anarchos1> or even grind flats onto
[01:32:25] <CaptHindsight> I like McMaster since I can order until 5pm and have it by ground the next day am
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[01:33:42] <PetefromTn_andro> Yup McMaster rocks
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[01:34:01] <CaptHindsight> same for Enco, but only until 4pm my time
[01:34:11] <tjtr33> someone had probs with " dang i bought the wrong diameter coupler on one end" maybe of use -> http://www.huco.com/products.asp?p=true&cat=67
[01:34:19] <CaptHindsight> even for truck freight only items
[01:34:21] <anarchos1> welp. do i install ubuntu 12 or debian weezy for 2.6?
[01:34:52] <CaptHindsight> anarchos1: what desktop do you want?
[01:35:05] <Connor_iPad> Neither. Install the ISO with linuxcnc already on it
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[01:35:47] <anarchos1> idunno
[01:35:50] <anarchos1> gnome i guess
[01:36:00] <anarchos1> i've always used gnome
[01:36:09] <Connor_iPad> Install the linuxcnc ISO.
[01:36:23] <CaptHindsight> 12.04 is gnome 3
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[01:36:57] <anarchos1> is gnome 3 any good? only ever used 2.x
[01:37:48] <CaptHindsight> Connor: have you seen the new releases? one is a Wheezy hybrid ISO, the other is a howto on 12.04.
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[01:38:11] <Connor_iPad> No.
[01:38:16] <CaptHindsight> anarchos1: O-BOY, have you not seen gnome3?
[01:38:21] <Connor_iPad> But. I always say go the easy way.
[01:39:13] <anarchos1> nope
[01:39:15] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.6
[01:39:20] <anarchos1> hmm
[01:39:37] <CaptHindsight> anarchos1: you might want to try it first
[01:40:30] <anarchos1> ya?
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[01:42:53] <CaptHindsight> anarchos1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNgyIRakQ7o
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[01:44:06] <tjtr33> i dont see on that page if the process descibed gets you that sucky unity POS, crappy non-synaptic pkg mgr, no way to add items to app list, no way to get dtop icons, maybe i'm forgetting some of the 12.04 'advantages'
[01:44:31] <PetefromTn_andro> Wheezy gnome ubuntu. Where do theyv get these names lol
[01:44:33] <CaptHindsight> heh, I hate it
[01:44:36] <tjtr33> oh yeah, no screen saver
[01:45:05] <XXCoder1> just install xscreensaver
[01:45:09] <tjtr33> just say NO
[01:45:13] <XXCoder1> too bad it havent been updated for last 500 years
[01:45:26] <CaptHindsight> Mint Debian Mate is based on the new fork of gnome2
[01:45:52] <PetefromTn_andro> Is that a pornographic screen saver lol
[01:46:04] <XXCoder1> if it is, very very tame. only one x
[01:46:13] <CaptHindsight> but I got used to LXDE now, I just installed Wheezy with LXDE and Linuxcnc
[01:46:24] <PetefromTn_andro> ;)
[01:46:53] <CaptHindsight> 14.04 is even worse
[01:47:02] <XXCoder1> http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/ PetefromTn_andro
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[01:47:11] <tjtr33> what maybe 14.04 gets you grub3?
[01:51:21] <CaptHindsight> maybe it's just me but I miss the application launcher, I'd like to see the names of apps vs having to search for them by typing in their name
[01:51:49] <XXCoder1> heh ubuntu unity sucks hardcore
[01:52:17] <CaptHindsight> what if you don't remember the name or don't know the name?
[01:52:26] <XXCoder1> so far oldest is 1985 xscreensaver module
[01:52:28] <PetefromTn_andro> I have ubuntu on the Cincinnati
[01:52:32] <XXCoder1> capt exatcky why I hate it
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[01:56:51] <PetefromTn_andro> Anyone making anything cool and interesting with Linuxcnc today?
[01:59:29] <tjtr33> is marble/granite cutting more demanding on a machine frame than cutting steel?
[01:59:30] <tjtr33> I assumed so, but wonder if these big gantry stone mills are as stiff as gantry mills for steel.
[02:01:22] <tjtr33> like these http://northwoodmachine.com/products/5-axis-cnc-machining-centers/fa-large-work-envelope
[02:02:06] <CaptHindsight> I don't expect them to have the same accuracy as machines for steel
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[02:03:51] <CaptHindsight> http://northwoodstoneworks.com/5-axis-milling-solutions.html like this one
[02:04:05] <tjtr33> because of the design or the feedback & motion elements used?
[02:04:24] <CaptHindsight> it's rigid enough but it's the pitch of the screws and the encoders
[02:04:45] <CaptHindsight> they don't cut granite to +- 10um
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[02:05:22] <tjtr33> wondering if a road trip to louisville is in the works, if i threw Hiwin rails & leadscrews and Heideyhoo linear encoders on it....
[02:06:08] <CaptHindsight> do they list the specs?
[02:06:13] <tjtr33> looks thermally unstabile...
[02:07:06] <tjtr33> i found some accuracy & repeatability on stock models, why cant i find that link now! ;)
[02:07:24] <CaptHindsight> http://northwoodstoneworks.com/northwood-cnc-fabcenter---ufc.html
[02:07:46] <CaptHindsight> http://northwoodstoneworks.com/assets/sw138ge-fc-miter-smsb.pdf
[02:08:47] <CaptHindsight> oh, thats just some placement and dimension specs
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[02:10:57] <CaptHindsight> http://northwoodmachine.com/products/5-axis-cnc-machining-centers/fa-large-work-envelope
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[02:12:45] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: I the really precise machines here we temp control the cabinet that they are in plus use laser for real time calibration and alignment
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[02:13:58] <tjtr33> yeah the AGies used coolant lines thru the frames, controlling the temp, this is cruder, and just a work around bad delivery times from asia
[02:14:49] <tjtr33> well back to the SMAC, the hand twisted pairs and shielding are done. time to program the MESA side
[02:14:53] <tjtr33> bye!
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[02:16:22] <CaptHindsight> I wonder what a slab of Invar 3m x 5m x .3m costs?
[02:17:08] <anarchos1> hmm
[02:18:05] <toastyde2th> holy jesus
[02:18:15] <toastyde2th> more than most automobiles
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[02:18:26] <CaptHindsight> ~36,000 Kg
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[02:18:28] <toastyde2th> possibly more than some homes
[02:18:59] <toastyde2th> a block of steel that large would be absurdly expensive
[02:19:01] <toastyde2th> invar?
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[02:19:26] <CaptHindsight> how much Invar to build a gantry machine 3m x 5m x 1.5m?
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[02:19:43] <toastyde2th> you don't want to build machines out of invar
[02:19:48] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invar
[02:19:50] <toastyde2th> it's a really bad idea
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[02:20:20] <toastyde2th> it works in small parts really well
[02:20:36] <toastyde2th> and in situations where you need metal parts to coexist with glass and ceramics
[02:20:42] <toastyde2th> in large machines, it creeps
[02:21:12] <toastyde2th> they have to be continually corrected and remeasured
[02:21:29] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I wonder if the creep settles over time?
[02:21:34] <CaptHindsight> years
[02:21:49] <CaptHindsight> or if it just creeps forever
[02:21:49] <toastyde2th> nope
[02:21:52] <toastyde2th> it creeps forever
[02:22:12] <toastyde2th> and honestly thermal expansion in frames is not a big issue
[02:22:34] <toastyde2th> the places where it matters are the screws and making sure there's no differential heating from motors in the ways
[02:22:46] <toastyde2th> and if you don't have the equipment to measure the amount of deflection...
[02:22:56] <toastyde2th> also, spindle bearings
[02:23:05] <toastyde2th> spindle bearings are the #1 source of thermal error
[02:23:32] <CaptHindsight> we use lasers to recalibrate on the fly, but these are 5+ axis with no spindle
[02:23:53] <CaptHindsight> but you can measure the tools
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[02:25:14] <zeeshan> toastyde2th:
[02:25:17] <toastyde2th> most people don't have the ability to run an interferometer
[02:25:22] <zeeshan> can you explain how spindle bearings are a source of thermal error
[02:25:22] <toastyde2th> on a machine in production
[02:25:24] <zeeshan> how does that work
[02:25:39] <toastyde2th> they are usually the hottest part on a machine
[02:25:48] <toastyde2th> and the spindle itself grows into the work
[02:25:58] <zeeshan> ohhh
[02:25:59] <zeeshan> along the Z axis
[02:26:02] <toastyde2th> yep
[02:26:03] <zeeshan> that makes sense
[02:26:33] <zeeshan> i guess thats why the high end machines with high speed spindles
[02:26:37] <zeeshan> have watercooled spindles
[02:26:39] <toastyde2th> yep
[02:26:41] <zeeshan> they're trying to reduce the heat
[02:26:48] <toastyde2th> slower machines just cool the oil
[02:26:58] <toastyde2th> or use mag/air bearings
[02:27:18] <archivist> ask skunkworks_ about his temp compensation in linuxcnc
[02:29:48] <toastyde2th> other sources of error are rapids on long ass screws
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[02:29:58] <toastyde2th> but most hobby dudes aren't moving a 10 ton gantry so
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[02:30:03] <toastyde2th> not a big issue
[02:30:35] <CaptHindsight> tjt is building a big machine
[02:31:00] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: pics
[02:31:10] <CaptHindsight> looking for something to start with vs build from scratch
[02:31:47] <CaptHindsight> not many choices for a machine that big
[02:31:59] <toastyde2th> CaptHindsight, ?
[02:32:07] <toastyde2th> how big
[02:32:10] <toastyde2th> and what type of machine
[02:32:29] <CaptHindsight> that invar slab size
[02:32:41] <zeeshan> apparently if you put a layer of cosmoline on machinery
[02:32:43] <zeeshan> and store it outside
[02:32:45] <zeeshan> it doesnt rust?
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[02:33:16] <toastyde2th> CaptHindsight, working area or overall machine dimensions
[02:33:30] <toastyde2th> cuz if you need that working area there's a lot of options, but be be prepared to move it
[02:33:49] <CaptHindsight> toastyde2th: work area IIRC, but you'll have to ask him
[02:34:02] <toastyde2th> ingersoll rand and forest line are two big name brands that have true bridge mills at that size
[02:34:06] <toastyde2th> 50-300 hp heads
[02:34:13] <toastyde2th> used, obv
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[02:37:26] <CaptHindsight> any still making a gantry that size in the USA?
[02:37:56] <XXCoder1> if you has large cnc I suppose you can make gantry by it
[02:38:33] <toastyde2th> CaptHindsight, still making, not that i'm aware of - all the big mills are pretty much used
[02:39:03] <archivist> CaptHindsight, there was a recent one made new in the UK
[02:39:07] <zeeshan> im sure the big companies have designs for it
[02:39:13] <zeeshan> and build it on an order basis
[02:39:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Double-Column-Bridge-Mill-Machining-Center-Toyoda-2011-Asset-Exchange-/221334792994
[02:39:40] <zeeshan> thats massive :P
[02:39:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/INGERSOLL-MASTERHEAD-DUAL-HEAD-BRIDGE-TYPE-CNC-PLANER-MILL-B31981-/261546014902
[02:39:41] <toastyde2th> that's a pretty small one
[02:39:58] <CaptHindsight> and it's local!
[02:40:00] <zeeshan> I wonder how much the first machine weighs
[02:40:05] <toastyde2th> the ones i am referring to are 300" bridge, 700-1000" X axis
[02:40:15] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: toronto canada
[02:40:17] <zeeshan> is local to you? :P
[02:40:25] <zeeshan> it's local to me!
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[02:41:06] <zeeshan> they want 450k for that machine
[02:41:11] <zeeshan> and they only have one picture?
[02:41:18] <zeeshan> nm
[02:42:14] <zeeshan> oo nice
[02:42:20] <zeeshan> fanuc series i controller
[02:42:22] <zeeshan> secksi
[02:44:59] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: ~60,000 lbs
[02:45:15] <zeeshan> beast
[02:45:32] <CaptHindsight> the biggest model is 55,000kg
[02:45:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.toyodausa.com.php53-26.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/machines/bridge-mill/lb-series/lb633#specifications
[02:46:00] <zeeshan> what type of machine machines out big ship engine blocks?
[02:46:07] <toastyde2th> they're made in parts
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[02:46:16] <toastyde2th> and it's usally a floor type horizontal boring mill
[02:46:31] <zeeshan> so what do these guys use this massive machines for then?
[02:46:31] <toastyde2th> you can get horizontal boring mills any length you want
[02:46:34] <toastyde2th> and 30-40 meters high
[02:46:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.toyodausa.com.php53-26.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/machines/gantry-mill also local to me
[02:46:52] <zeeshan> lol
[02:46:53] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight:
[02:46:58] <zeeshan> i'd be tempted to go inside that machine
[02:47:02] <zeeshan> and chill in there while it's machining
[02:47:03] <zeeshan> :)
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[02:47:10] <toastyde2th> bridge mills tend to be used for smaller parts, actually
[02:47:16] <zeeshan> maybe have a ping pong table too
[02:47:27] <zeeshan> toastyde2th: give me an example of something
[02:47:30] <toastyde2th> machine frames, stuff that's squat and square
[02:47:31] <zeeshan> massive that needs to be machined
[02:47:32] <zeeshan> in 1 piece
[02:47:38] <toastyde2th> mining gears
[02:47:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.toyodausa.com.php53-26.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/machines/gantry-mill/mg-series/mg1050#specifications 148,000 Kg
[02:47:39] <zeeshan> milling
[02:47:51] <zeeshan> well thats more lathe work?
[02:47:54] <zeeshan> most props for ships
[02:47:58] <zeeshan> are machined on large lathes
[02:48:05] <zeeshan> but im wondering, like milling wise
[02:48:06] <jdh> I'm having a 1.5" x 40" x 96" piece of steel machined
[02:48:06] <toastyde2th> it's actually a combination of lathe, mill, and planer work
[02:48:11] <zeeshan> oh
[02:48:18] <toastyde2th> most BIG shit in one part is mining industry
[02:48:20] <zeeshan> jdh to do what
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[02:48:29] <zeeshan> http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/media/collection_images/1/172.1989%23%23S.jpg
[02:48:30] <zeeshan> wow
[02:48:32] <zeeshan> those are massive.
[02:48:39] <jdh> table for an automated TIG welder
[02:48:57] <zeeshan> jdh nice!
[02:48:58] <toastyde2th> and that's a small gear
[02:49:01] <zeeshan> for yourself?
[02:49:02] <toastyde2th> for mining
[02:49:07] <zeeshan> or for work
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[02:49:23] * Tom_itx wonders if archivist can make those
[02:49:28] <zeeshan> http://www.flsmidth.com/~/media/Images/Product-SubSection%20Pages/Grinding/Gears/Products/minerals/KPB/KPB_475x310px.ashx?h=311&w=475
[02:49:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.toyodausa.com.php53-26.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/images/made/images/uploads/weleMGworkArea_600_326.jpg is the control panel actually in the work area?
[02:49:41] <jdh> for owkr
[02:49:44] <jdh> or work.
[02:49:44] <toastyde2th> also, bridge parts
[02:49:48] <zeeshan> cool
[02:49:52] <toastyde2th> for things like drawbridges
[02:49:56] <toastyde2th> marine engines, obviously
[02:50:07] <zeeshan> arent those welded assemblies
[02:50:12] <toastyde2th> large bearing seats for foundry furnaces
[02:50:20] <toastyde2th> they are, but they need to be machined in
[02:50:25] <toastyde2th> nothing that big is made out of billet
[02:50:26] <archivist> Tom_itx, no but that is a tiny gear
[02:50:41] <toastyde2th> you either forge it in or loam cast
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[02:50:49] <toastyde2th> sometimes, both
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[02:51:07] <zeeshan> i dont even wnat to imagine
[02:51:11] <zeeshan> what kind of presses they use to forge em
[02:51:20] <toastyde2th> very very large presses
[02:51:30] <Tom_itx> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fd2n4wb9orp1vta.cloudfront.net%2Fresources%2Fimages%2Fcdn%2Fcms%2FMMS_0410_Windustries_A.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mmsonline.com%2Farticles%2Fgoing-to-great-lengths&h=333&w=500&tbnid=t1EonddnqTTgnM%3A&zoom=1&docid=qpHlCt1YGrGJcM&ei=9oDpU6LTLOuajAKbxYGoDQ&tbm=isch&client=firefox-a&ved=0CCIQMygAMAA&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=3796&page=1&start=0&ndsp=13
[02:51:35] <zeeshan> that vibrate the entire building!@
[02:51:37] <toastyde2th> and forged stuff is almost exclusively limited at that size to ring rollers
[02:52:07] <zeeshan> http://www.alloysteel-forgings.com/photo/pl485126-oem_crankshaft_forgings_forged_alloy_steel_industrial_shaft_42crmo_34crnimo6_25mn.jpg
[02:52:10] <zeeshan> apparently that is forged
[02:52:14] <zeeshan> er starts from a forging
[02:52:16] <toastyde2th> ya
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[02:52:23] <toastyde2th> open die forging
[02:52:39] <toastyde2th> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTU0Z-FkhtU
[02:52:41] <toastyde2th> different kinds
[02:52:46] <toastyde2th> there's a ring roller in that video
[02:52:49] <toastyde2th> a small one tho
[02:53:10] <zeeshan> so its not one big die
[02:53:16] <zeeshan> that shapes it
[02:53:26] <zeeshan> cause that'd require immense force
[02:53:28] <toastyde2th> ya
[02:53:36] <zeeshan> intense.
[02:53:37] <zeeshan> :)
[02:53:40] <toastyde2th> the beginning has the roller, the end shows you some hammers and open die presses
[02:54:02] <toastyde2th> oop, here's a big press
[02:54:02] <toastyde2th> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msLm4uPxTr0
[02:54:10] <zeeshan> im suprised those dies
[02:54:16] <zeeshan> dont wear out after the first forging
[02:54:37] <zeeshan> 26,000,000 lb!
[02:54:38] <zeeshan> damn.
[02:54:49] <zeeshan> 26 million lb press.
[02:54:51] <zeeshan> !!!!!!!.
[02:55:09] <archivist> a big machine http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/Travelling_Gantry_Machine.pdf
[02:55:10] <toastyde2th> they actually do wear pretty fast but nobody cares because the dies don't really matter much
[02:55:20] <archivist> CaptHindsight, http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/Travelling_Gantry_Machine.pdf
[02:56:38] <toastyde2th> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxWbz0Wf2rM
[02:56:42] <toastyde2th> diamond turning
[02:57:04] <zeeshan> wow.
[02:57:06] <zeeshan> wtf
[02:58:05] <CaptHindsight> archivist: that is quite impressive
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[02:58:23] <zeeshan> saves someone from sanding and polishing.
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[02:59:12] <zeeshan> whats weird is
[02:59:15] <zeeshan> he's using constant rpm
[02:59:16] <zeeshan> not constant sfm
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[03:02:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nanotechsys.com/wp-content/uploads/file/PDFs/Nanotech%20450UPL%20Specifications%20-%20Rev_0812.pdf the specs on that lathe
[03:03:00] <CaptHindsight> Motion accuracy: Axial: ≤ 12.5 nanometers (0.5μ”) Radial: ≤ 12.5 nanometers (0.5μ”)
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[03:03:42] <CaptHindsight> Straightness in critical direction 0.3μm (12μ”) over full travel
[03:04:08] <anarchos1> .200 pitch ball screw = how many rev/inch?
[03:04:13] <anarchos1> .2?
[03:04:30] <zeeshan> yes
[03:04:55] <zeeshan> lead = number of threads * pitch
[03:04:59] <Tom_itx> pretty coarse
[03:05:20] <zeeshan> .200" right?
[03:05:32] * zeeshan runs
[03:06:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nanotechsys.com/machines/nanotech-450upl-ultra-precision-lathe-1/
[03:06:54] <Tom_itx> must be show n tell tonight
[03:06:56] <anarchos1> or is it that it moves .2 inch per revolution
[03:07:08] <anarchos1> making it 5 revolutions per inch
[03:07:11] <anarchos1> makes more sense
[03:07:16] <Tom_itx> i'd be more inclined to believe that
[03:07:27] <toastyde2th> zeeshan, constant rpm is used to avoid vibration
[03:07:38] <CaptHindsight> we were looking for big gantry mills, now it's anything goes!
[03:08:05] <toastyde2th> stability is more important than surface speed, since the tool is monocrystalline diamond there's no built up edge
[03:08:58] <toastyde2th> thus surface speed becomes irrelevant to cut stability
[03:09:12] <anarchos1> ah yes, it works at 5 rev/inch :D
[03:09:15] <toastyde2th> but the motor changing rpm tends to cause a great deal of vibration
[03:09:35] <anarchos1> according to the not so accurate scale on the mill itself, 1inch = 1inch now :)
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[03:47:23] <zeeshan> http://www.histecon.magd.cam.ac.uk/research/machines/reinecker2.jpg
[03:47:26] <zeeshan> what is this dude machining
[03:52:52] <XXCoder1> drill head?
[03:54:42] <toastyde2th> yeah, looks like a drill
[03:55:05] <toastyde2th> or part of a grinder
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[03:57:45] <XXCoder1> maybe
[03:57:58] <XXCoder1> gonna love old school shop pics
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[04:06:06] <toastyde2th> trufax
[04:06:13] <toastyde2th> there were some old pix of a shipyard
[04:06:18] <toastyde2th> with some old school vertical shapers
[04:06:31] <toastyde2th> having one of those is now an item on my bucket list
[04:06:41] <XXCoder1> lol cool. what would ya make with it
[04:07:03] <toastyde2th> they're good for making oddly shaped internal/external profiles
[04:07:13] <toastyde2th> cams, etc
[04:07:19] <XXCoder1> interesting
[04:07:19] <toastyde2th> splines, hexes
[04:07:36] <toastyde2th> they usually come with an integrated rotary table
[04:07:42] <toastyde2th> so you can machine lobes fairly easily
[04:08:16] <XXCoder1> interestng
[04:08:44] <XXCoder1> cams has em right? almost egg profile shapes on rid 6 or whatever many needed
[04:08:56] <toastyde2th> ?
[04:09:08] <toastyde2th> sorry i didn't understand a word of that
[04:09:36] <XXCoder1> well most pictures when I google lobes show engine shaft
[04:09:43] <XXCoder1> its for controlling valves
[04:10:29] <toastyde2th> yes
[04:10:32] <toastyde2th> that's a camshaft
[04:10:46] <XXCoder1> what part of it would be called "lobes"
[04:11:01] <XXCoder1> I guess its those parts that actually move valves
[04:11:11] <toastyde2th> it's the general description of the shape of a cam
[04:11:23] <toastyde2th> the part that deviates from a circle
[04:11:24] <toastyde2th> is the lobe
[04:11:39] <toastyde2th> cams in older machines and for not-car purposes can have many lobes
[04:11:41] <XXCoder1> hmm close to what I thought but cool
[04:12:37] <XXCoder1> apparently also part of ears lol
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[04:12:53] <XXCoder1> saw one pic of ear with ear earring. wtf'
[04:13:18] <XXCoder1> would be recrustive if ear earring had ear earring on it too and so on :P
[04:13:35] <XXCoder1> recursive
[04:14:06] <XXCoder1> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/F981CD-8YEg/0.jpg
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[06:05:12] <anarchos> it's alive :D
[06:05:15] <anarchos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRIWDZF9skU
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[06:32:06] <Jymmm> A waterproof 3"/4" blower than runs from 12/24vdc and outputs 135/235 CFM for under $40 USD: http://westmarine.com/buy/rule-industries--waterproof-in-line-blowers--P012_362_001_002
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[06:41:17] <Deejay> moin
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[06:42:40] <MC500> I have a rotary encoder on my 4th axis.. it has a make an model but I cant get info on it. it also says "Specs. 10F and 9000 Lines" does that make sence to anyone?
[06:42:59] <MC500> Lines 9000 actually
[06:43:50] <archivist> does it have the connections on the label too?
[06:44:08] <MC500> no
[06:44:36] <MC500> it was hooked up with EMC and working but I lost the drive and config files
[06:45:54] <archivist> 2 or 3 wires to your interface
[06:46:15] <anarchos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRIWDZF9skU
[06:46:44] <archivist> should be easy enough to work out the config for the encoder
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[06:48:50] <MC500> not sure about the wires, maybe 2 as I do have part of the configs
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[06:49:48] <MC500> I have it set up as a LINEAR it is the only way I can get it to move, and it has been set up as both LINEAR and ANGULAR in past versions of EMC
[06:50:00] <archivist> 9000 sounds ok for a high resolution encoder
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[06:54:27] <MC500> So qirh 9000 lines where do I and how do I put that in my EMC configs.. I am using a stg card so I assume stg.ini
[06:54:57] <archivist> I have no idea what that card is
[06:55:04] <MC500> its an isa card
[06:55:08] <MC500> old
[06:56:34] <archivist> card config would be for connections, the linuxcnc config would hold the scale factor
[06:59:13] <MC500> well there the files as I recal the card is servo to go so stg is the prefix to every file.. so there is stg.ini stg_io.hal stg_motion.hal and core_servo.hal
[07:00:32] <MC500> what are the imput_scale and output_scale config lines for in the stg.ini file?
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[07:02:33] <archivist> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/drivers_servo_to_go.html
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[07:26:37] <MC500> It does apear to be the IMPUT_SCALE in the stg.ini file but what do I put there, if my rotary encoder has 9000 lines do I put 9000 to 1?
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[07:35:39] <archivist> a number per distance/angle depends, it is something you calculate depending on other numbers
[07:35:58] <archivist> eg inch/metric etc
[07:36:15] <archivist> and any gearing
[07:39:23] <MC500> while the encoder is bound directly to the axis there should be no ratio so does it sound like 9000 pulses per every 360 degrees?
[07:40:50] <MC500> I also have the encoder working as LINEAR I am thinking I need to persue ANGULAR
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[09:31:23] <anonimasu> Hello, Does anyone have a clue or sample hal file for manually moving a torch while in cut?(changing offset or such) as I dont have a auto thc so it needs adjusting
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[10:29:42] <skunkworks_> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/145325
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[10:55:25] <jthornton> anonimasu, you want to jog the torch up and down while cutting?
[10:58:49] <archivist> something seriously bad on yahoo it screws my firefox to 100% cpu and not responsive
[11:02:33] <syyl_ws> yeah
[11:02:48] <syyl_ws> theres yahoo on yahoo that makes it bad
[11:03:03] <archivist> and mach4 on yahoo :)
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[12:13:10] <JLuc69> please, is there a French channel?
[12:13:27] <JLuc69> for linuxcnc :p
[12:15:13] <archivist> dont think so
[12:16:36] <JLuc69> et y a t'il des franais dans la salle ?
[12:18:18] <archivist> ask the real question
[12:19:12] * archivist points at google translate
[12:19:45] <JLuc69> and are there any French in the room?
[12:20:18] * jdh tries to think of a suitable frenchman joke
[12:20:54] <JLuc69> ^^
[12:20:56] <archivist> JLuc69, that is the same question :)
[12:21:33] <JLuc69> yes :D
[12:21:34] <archivist> I used google translate, it is better to ask your linuxcnc questions
[12:22:54] <JLuc69> is what linuxcnc manages a card RS232 port?
[12:23:36] <JLuc69> I have a map InterpCNC v1.5
[12:26:23] <JLuc69> http://www.soprolec.com/shop/fr/controleurs-d-axes/9-interpcnc-v15-rs232rs485.html
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[12:28:07] <archivist> I dont think that would be easy to use with linuxcnc
[12:28:53] <JLuc69> thank you
[12:29:10] <archivist> linuxcnc is the controller, that is an embedded controller
[12:30:47] <JLuc69> I do not understand anything :p
[12:31:15] <JLuc69> linuxcnc is a soft ?
[12:31:31] <archivist> yes that does the same thing as that card
[12:32:49] <archivist> same/more than
[12:32:54] <JLuc69> map is managed by gaalad which is also a software
[12:34:52] <archivist> manager/gui (axis)->control (linuxcnc) -interface>(various)
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[12:37:30] <JLuc69> So I would have my axes controllers connects directly to the parallel-port?
[12:39:17] <JLuc69> linuxcnc replace my card?
[12:42:30] <JLuc69> i have 4 microstep driver connect to my card for 4 motor
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[12:43:07] <IchGuckLive> hi all from sunny germany
[12:43:17] <IchGuckLive> anonimasu: still here
[12:43:31] <XXCoder1> hey
[12:43:43] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: one day to go in worklive
[12:44:13] <IchGuckLive> JLuc69: hi im on rrthe french boarder near BITCH
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[12:44:35] <JLuc69> hi IchGuckLive
[12:44:41] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
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[12:45:33] <JLuc69> I lyon
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[12:46:47] <IchGuckLive> so you got a modbus interface you want to run in linuxcnc
[12:47:38] <IchGuckLive> its a very expensive item for what it can do
[12:48:50] <IchGuckLive> JLuc69: ce qui est votre cible
[12:49:18] <JLuc69> I do not understand anything :p
[12:49:23] <IchGuckLive> une fraiseuse CNC , tour
[12:49:29] <JLuc69> mill
[12:50:08] <IchGuckLive> 3 , 4 axes
[12:50:27] <IchGuckLive> moteur pas à pas
[12:50:40] <JLuc69> 3 so far
[12:50:45] <JLuc69> oui, pap
[12:51:15] <IchGuckLive> taille de Maschin
[12:51:25] <IchGuckLive> XYZ
[12:51:30] <IchGuckLive> mm
[12:51:38] <JLuc69> 550,380,130
[12:51:50] <JLuc69> en gros
[12:52:17] <JLuc69> http://sitemeca.free.fr/index.php?page=reportages&article=1#macnc
[12:52:27] <IchGuckLive> vis d'entraînement,Transmission à courroie crantée
[12:53:00] <JLuc69> but... tout en franais :p
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[12:53:22] <IchGuckLive> balle !!!
[12:53:53] <IchGuckLive> Vous avez trop d'argent
[12:54:41] <IchGuckLive> le modèle de l'ordinateur ?
[12:54:44] <JLuc69> non, j'en avais mais j'en ai plus :D
[12:54:57] <JLuc69> un p4
[12:55:02] <IchGuckLive> aucune femme
[12:55:10] <JLuc69> et si :D
[12:55:51] <IchGuckLive> P4 modèle abricant
[12:56:07] <IchGuckLive> Fabricant
[12:56:08] <JLuc69> je sais plus, c'est un vieux :p
[12:56:49] <JLuc69> age : 10 ou 12 ans
[12:57:13] <IchGuckLive> port parallèle DB25
[12:57:20] <JLuc69> oui
[12:57:38] <JLuc69> enfin, je crois :o)
[12:58:15] <IchGuckLive> vous avez besoin de savoir pour sûr
[12:58:39] <JLuc69> c'est sr 98%
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[12:59:13] <IchGuckLive> puis prendre mais d'une simple carte d'interface parallèle de port pour 50 euros
[12:59:47] <JLuc69> oui, mais je voulais pas re-investir
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[13:01:05] <IchGuckLive> 20/25 est un entraînement par courroie crantée pour la balle encore nécessaires
[13:01:17] <JLuc69> ?
[13:01:33] <IchGuckLive> Stepper 400Steps/revolution 5mm Ballscrew
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[13:01:49] <IchGuckLive> Divider 1.25
[13:02:04] <IchGuckLive> 20/25 timingbelt will end in 0.01mm Precission
[13:02:16] <IchGuckLive> and full force at max speed
[13:02:47] <IchGuckLive> http://foengarage.de/gears2.html
[13:03:24] <IchGuckLive> appuyez deux fois pour jouer
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[15:13:32] * Loetmichel just talked his boss out of a new cooler for my cpu at home... because i have temperature issues with the I7-920 and the cooler is spare here, was ordered wrong... i THINK that should be sufficient ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15187
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[15:14:56] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: water cooled?
[15:16:01] <Loetmichel> no, that is air cooled... look at the pic ;-)
[15:16:16] <Loetmichel> ... but slkightly bigger than the boxed variant ;-)
[15:16:45] <Jymmm> I see the copper tubing. Eh, nevermind if not liquid cooled. Just dump the whole comuter in mineral oil and be done with it!
[15:17:33] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtufuXLvOok
[15:17:59] <Loetmichel> thats heat pipes
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[15:28:05] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Here ya go.... LN2 cooling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmSBaizEqkk
[15:31:05] <Connor> WTF.. Is my email's to the Emc-Users not going through ?
[15:31:48] <Jymmm> Connor: You're a hormel meat by-product!
[15:36:50] <Connor> Finally..they came through..
[15:36:57] <Connor> geez.. what a lag..
[15:39:11] <CaptHindsight> better late than really late, like Level3 is in my neck of the webs today
[15:41:02] <Connor> CaptHindsight: Not connection lag.. mail lag..
[15:41:13] <Connor> took 15 minutes or longer for my emails to come through..
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[15:46:38] <Jymmm> OMG! That's like FOREVER AND EVER!!!
[15:48:03] <CaptHindsight> I've had no email for 6+ hours, reminds me of the early 90's
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[16:10:58] <syyl_ws> whas that when you made a call to check if somebody got your mail?
[16:11:18] <syyl_ws> *ringring* "hey, i sent you a mail, check it"
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[16:14:30] <jthornton> a Russian crime ring has stopped e-mails at the border and is holding them for ransom
[16:15:46] <syyl_ws> they want to repack them in redcross mails?
[16:15:59] <syyl_ws> Oo
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[16:33:42] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:34:46] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: its a miss even over relif supply
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[16:40:25] <archivist> something is still working, a carbide hob made it from the Ukraine to me
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[16:42:19] <syyl_ws> the important stuff always arives
[16:42:38] <IchGuckLive> the ukrain is in full workflow only the east Donezk is out of order
[16:43:14] <IchGuckLive> syyl_ws: i got othere expiriances as today i made some china mails on 40day + shipment
[16:44:11] <IchGuckLive> JLuc69: toujours en ligne
[16:45:04] <IchGuckLive> anonimasu: ?
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[16:58:00] <dr0w> Greetings #linuxcnc
[16:59:05] <IchGuckLive> hi
[16:59:21] <IchGuckLive> what did you drawo today
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[16:59:34] <IchGuckLive> hi ktchk
[16:59:50] <IchGuckLive> did you got bad weather from the storm
[16:59:51] <ktchk> HI IchGuckLive
[17:00:23] <ktchk> Bad weather not now maybe later
[17:00:36] <IchGuckLive> oh it hitted japan very hard
[17:00:52] <ktchk> Hawaii
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[17:01:49] <ktchk> do you have 3d printer
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[17:02:06] <IchGuckLive> http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_pages/tc_home.html
[17:02:34] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: i can get to a room where 110 3d printers are in
[17:03:12] <ktchk> school?
[17:03:44] <ktchk> mil kick me out
[17:03:50] <IchGuckLive> its more like a factory founding projekt
[17:04:07] <Jymmm> Why would you want to be in a room with glue guns?
[17:04:13] <syyl_ws> :D
[17:04:31] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: you get wear in mind if near all run
[17:04:45] <IchGuckLive> its realy bad in shakink and looking around
[17:05:04] <syyl_ws> that doesnt make it any better
[17:05:07] <IchGuckLive> all this printers in 3 stacks and 4 lanes
[17:05:11] <syyl_ws> oO
[17:05:29] <IchGuckLive> its hot like in Black rock City
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[17:06:03] <SquirrelCZECH> IchGuckLive: any pics?
[17:06:37] <IchGuckLive> SquirrelCZECH: let me look i even dont know eyactly the name of this projekt
[17:07:19] <IchGuckLive> http://www.fabbmatic.com/Produkte/Seite-/-Kategorie
[17:07:32] <IchGuckLive> this is the company they founded
[17:08:01] <syyl_ws> hey Jymmm
[17:08:05] <syyl_ws> you were right
[17:08:08] <syyl_ws> hotglue guns ;)
[17:08:50] <IchGuckLive> SquirrelCZECH: this is the room in the construction area http://www.komforthaus.com/3D-Printer-CNC
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[17:11:07] <Jymmm> syyl_ws: lol
[17:11:24] <IchGuckLive> SquirrelCZECH: i dont think they show the room where they print the printer parts
[17:11:34] <IchGuckLive> https://www.youtube.com/results?q=fabbmatic
[17:11:48] <SquirrelCZECH> looks awesome :)
[17:13:24] <IchGuckLive> as you say id seen the new big 80cm size printer they made that is big
[17:14:47] <IchGuckLive> dont forget tonight is the shooting star Night of the year
[17:16:18] <ktchk> need a blackout to watch
[17:16:36] <IchGuckLive> SquirrelCZECH: weahr at all is that the printer comes with pint its own part inside programm
[17:16:49] <IchGuckLive> so itas like bot
[17:16:54] <IchGuckLive> spred all over
[17:17:11] amnesic is now known as amnesic_away
[17:17:14] <IchGuckLive> buy one print 10
[17:19:08] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: is the internet also controled in HK not only in china
[17:19:27] <ktchk> not as in china
[17:19:42] <ktchk> we can watch porns
[17:19:48] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[17:20:11] <IchGuckLive> in europ its on the satalite TV
[17:20:15] <ktchk> no google in china
[17:20:26] <IchGuckLive> noone got cable TV cause of ....
[17:20:58] <IchGuckLive> Baiduu in china is 99%
[17:21:36] <ktchk> sohu
[17:21:46] <IchGuckLive> the rest yioung girls like Tushu
[17:22:32] <ktchk> fc2 from japan
[17:22:45] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: do you got NHK TV
[17:22:57] <ktchk> cable only
[17:23:45] <ktchk> have to pay for it
[17:23:46] <IchGuckLive> ok there has been a TV event where the comic cloth manga girls discoused but it may changed tv time
[17:23:57] <IchGuckLive> its free here in germany
[17:24:30] <ktchk> night show
[17:24:30] <IchGuckLive> has been raly good 3d models of japan commic
[17:25:00] <IchGuckLive> How is this style named i dident grab the name
[17:25:26] <ktchk> style??
[17:25:37] <ktchk> nude
[17:26:20] <IchGuckLive> no not in the faresd dreams
[17:26:24] <IchGuckLive> http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/tv/imagine/
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[17:28:16] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: got it kawaii
[17:28:19] <IchGuckLive> http://www.nhk.or.jp/kawaii-i/
[17:28:36] <ktchk> 食屍鬼 in chinese
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[17:29:59] <ktchk> ghoul ghose eating corpse
[17:31:40] <ktchk> I like discovery
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[17:34:59] <IchGuckLive> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-ne84CWmWg
[17:35:08] <IchGuckLive> hi mc500
[17:36:52] <MC500> I am assuming that my rotary encoder which says it has 9000 lines is a quad and has 36000 counts per turn, therefore INPUT_SCALE=1000 and OUTPUT_SCALE=1 does that sound correct?
[17:37:59] <MC500> hi IchGuckLive
[17:39:21] <archivist> if you have A and B then linuxcnc works on the edges so yes
[17:41:00] <MC500> I want to define my A axis as ANGULAR but I can only get it to move as LINEAR, besides there stg.ini file is there anywhere else to define a rotary axis?
[17:41:13] <IchGuckLive> MC500: just check on the 360 test turn if it works near good
[17:41:41] <IchGuckLive> A is Axis_3
[17:42:01] <IchGuckLive> XYZABCUVW Starting with 0 as count
[17:42:30] <MC500> I have to get it to work first... tuning is proving to be a bit hard I can get it to move in fast spurts or farily long ones trying to catch up with the encoders
[17:42:34] <IchGuckLive> in your in i is there AXIS = 5
[17:43:02] <MC500> I have AXIS=4
[17:43:18] <IchGuckLive> as yoou got AB b is your last its AXIS_4 and the axcpount nneds to 5th axis
[17:43:47] <IchGuckLive> you need to get one higher then the AXIS_ count
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[17:44:09] <IchGuckLive> MC500: dont forget in Display GEOMETRY = ABXYZ
[17:44:10] <MC500> I only have XYZA do I need to define B to get ANGULAR?
[17:44:21] <IchGuckLive> no
[17:44:53] <MC500> cooll, will try as soon as I get there
[17:44:55] <IchGuckLive> can you please post your ini to pasebin.com
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[17:45:26] <MC500> why does the ini file comments say define axis LINEAR or ROTARY it does not mention ANGULAR
[17:46:01] <IchGuckLive> JLuc69_: bonsoir
[17:46:18] <MC500> IchGuckLive I will post it as soon as I get to the machine, I am waiting for my kids to get ready for school, I very much apricate the help
[17:46:37] <IchGuckLive> MC500: what system are y<ou on
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[17:47:46] <MC500> I have been bouncing back between LinuxCNC 2.6 and EMC 2.3... 2.3 seems like it may be a better match for the stg card.. If I get it working there I will hammer on 2.6 later
[17:48:04] <Connor> 2.3 ?
[17:48:07] <Connor> Ick.
[17:48:28] <IchGuckLive> go for the 2.5.4 on 10.04 if you can
[17:48:42] <MC500> 2.6 is a hard drive hot swap away...
[17:48:54] <IchGuckLive> 2.6 is good but is buggy as we get updates every wek
[17:49:15] <MC500> I was getting realtime kernel errors now and again with 2.6
[17:49:28] <IchGuckLive> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[17:49:43] <IchGuckLive> this side shoudt hold all infos and versions for you
[17:50:04] <IchGuckLive> MC500: that is on timing issues
[17:50:14] <MC500> 2.3 is what was working before I lost the drive....
[17:50:46] <IchGuckLive> yea it chaged all on 2.4.2
[17:50:47] <MC500> IchGuckLife the error would pop up after the machine was idle all nite...
[17:51:29] <IchGuckLive> 2.5.4 is the best ypou shoudt stay long time for now as ypou did on 2.3
[17:52:05] <Loetmichel> *HA!* much better... only problem: i cant close the sidepanel anymore, the heatsink is about 10mm to high... :-( -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15190
[17:52:20] <MC500> IchGuckLife I will install 2.5.4 thank you
[17:52:52] <pcw_home> you get a real time error with just a 1 KHz servo thread? (I am assuming the stg card is a servo controller)
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[17:55:29] <MC500> I get the error when machine is idle, mill is not even on..
[17:55:33] <MC500> random times
[17:55:38] <MC500> it can go a day with no error
[17:55:53] <MC500> but that was only with 2.6
[17:56:01] <IchGuckLive> michel you will find a one that fitts in your "krabbelkiste"
[17:56:08] <pcw_home> is there a base thread?
[17:56:44] <pcw_home> (normally a servo system doesn't need/want one)
[17:57:17] <MC500> will check when I get there
[17:58:18] <pcw_home> a real time error on a 1 KHz servo thread means >= 200 usec latency which is pretty bad
[17:59:32] <MC500> well off to school bbl thanks for all the help!
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[18:13:00] <IchGuckLive> ok im off for today tomorrow is the last workday in my worklife so far after 48 years of "hard" work it is ending
[18:13:09] <IchGuckLive> BYE
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[18:30:28] <klick0> anyone know how to use halcmd to show a variable in a running system? Like for instance the X position. I know in g-code it's #5420, is there a halcmd way to show that variable? I did go through all the pins, specifically axis.0.free-pos-cmd, axis.0.motor-offset axis.0.motor-pos-cmd and tried adding/subtracting them, but they don't come to the actual X position, so i must be missing something else, but I don't see any other vari
[18:30:29] <klick0> ables that would give me info I need
[18:33:23] <JT-Shop> your wanting to see the same number that is on the DRO for X
[18:33:25] <JT-Shop> ?
[18:33:31] <klick0> correct
[18:33:34] <klick0> from the command line
[18:33:47] <klick0> i swear i figured this out years ago, but have forgotten how i did it
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[18:35:37] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprintingindustry.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/rotary-3d-printing.gif
[18:40:13] <JT-Shop> klick0, are you wanting the actual machine position or the position with all the offsets applied?
[18:40:42] <klick0> the position with all the offset's applied
[18:40:48] <klick0> what it shows in the axis interface
[18:41:25] <cpresser> klick0: i think its 'motion.xx...' letme check...
[18:41:39] <klick0> that's why I figured if I just subtracted the offset's from the position, i'd eventually figure out the way to do it.
[18:41:51] <klick0> thanks, i'll look at that as well right now
[18:42:06] <cpresser> klick0: halui.axis.0.pos-relative
[18:42:15] <cpresser> that works (when you have halui loaded)
[18:42:53] <cpresser> i use thos pins to output data to my digital DRO
[18:43:16] <klick0> hmm, ok, i'm running the command via command line, from another room, I want to monitor the CNC machine from somewhere else, so that's why i'm using halcmd
[18:43:36] <klick0> oh, hmm, is halui command line?
[18:43:39] <cpresser> you only need to load the halui module in the ini
[18:43:47] <klick0> ohh, ok
[18:43:48] <cpresser> then you can access that pin via halcmd
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[18:50:19] <klick0> thanks everyone
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[19:41:53] <MC500> This is my stg.ini file, I just changed from LINEAR to ANGULAR and the A axis wont move, if anyone can have a look I would apricate it.
[19:42:00] <MC500> http://pastebin.com/iuDrgUU6
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[19:49:36] <cradek> that LINEAR and ANGULAR doesn't have any effect. so the actual problem is it doesn't move - do you mean you get no output on the dac? what are you actually seeing?
[19:50:04] <MC500> it moves when I change to LINEAR
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[19:50:34] <cradek> do you mean when you cange [AXIS_3]TYPE ?
[19:50:42] <MC500> yes
[19:51:14] <MC500> I must have some settings that pretain only to LINEAR and or not ones I need for ANGULAR
[19:51:33] <cradek> are you sure you didn't also change something else?
[19:51:59] <MC500> only one word, and this time I changed Detree units from 1.0 to degree
[19:52:01] <cradek> can you say what you see when it doesn't move? does the dro change? are you jogging or running gcode? do you get following error?
[19:52:29] <MC500> Im just jogging DRO and axis move when in LINEAR
[19:52:40] <MC500> not tuned of course
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[19:52:57] <MC500> no no folowing error
[19:55:15] <cradek> your scale on the xyz is 50800 counts per mm
[19:55:25] <cradek> are you sure your scale on the rotary isn't WAY WAY off?
[19:56:06] <cradek> if you have a similar kind of encoder I'd expect the scale to be WAY higher
[19:56:38] <MC500> the scale on the rotary is differant, its a rotary encoder with 9000 lines, and I figure its a quad so that 36000 hence 1000 to 1 per degree
[19:57:08] <cradek> the encoder isn't on the worm?
[19:57:18] <MC500> no, on the axis directly
[19:57:24] <cradek> ah ok
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[19:58:34] <MC500> is this right or does this matter?
[19:58:39] <MC500> # COORDINATES = X Y Z R P W COORDINATES = X Y Z A
[19:58:51] <MC500> I have X Y Z A
[19:58:58] <MC500> should it be X Y Z R P W?
[19:59:23] <cradek> no you have it right
[19:59:32] <cradek> maybe you should check out sim/axis/axis_9axis.ini
[19:59:46] <cradek> make sure you have the DEFAULT_ANGULAR_VELOCITY, MAX_ANGULAR_VELOCITY, etc etc
[20:00:17] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvDwlyGthtY This makes me smile ;)
[20:00:41] <dr0w> I'm going to attempt to ask a semi-intelligent question..
[20:00:51] <tjtr33> i quick looked into smithy xyza .ini, they have a Default_Angular_Velocity
[20:00:58] <tjtr33> doh cradeks quicker
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[20:01:25] <cradek> yeah maybe you're just missing some stuff, since it looks like you're bringing forward a very old ini file
[20:01:34] <dr0w> I have an *old* MAXNC T2, I cracked open the controller box. The stepper driver is a series of TIP120s with 7400N NAND gates
[20:01:39] <MC500> Ill screw with that, I know at one point ANGULAR worked some versions of EMC ago, but the guy who had this running had to switcth to LINEAR for some reason
[20:02:00] <MC500> yea I will compare it to the example ini and see if there is any ANGULAR or degree stuff missing
[20:02:01] <cradek> this makes me think the ini is very old: LINEAR_UNITS = 0.03937007874016
[20:02:08] <cradek> so check everything carefully against a modern one
[20:02:16] <dr0w> The pinout for MAXNC T2 CL isn't relevant to this model.
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[20:02:30] <MC500> I am pieceing it together from old backups and so forth it probably quite mangled
[20:02:37] <cradek> dr0w: that's probably a winding-activation driver
[20:02:55] <dr0w> The MAXNC software outputs quad on 4 pins for each axis
[20:03:08] <cradek> dr0w: yep, verrry low performance
[20:03:31] <cradek> it's not quadrature, it's (probably) half step winding-activation
[20:03:49] <dr0w> ideally, I'd like to scrap the MAXNC controller.. but in the meantime.. looking at 4 phase linuxcnc step types..
[20:03:50] <tjtr33> suggest comparing to Tormach's pcnc-100-SeriesII.ini ( those are captial I's damn font )
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[20:03:57] <MC500> all it says on the encoder is 9000 lines I dont know much about it and the company is out of business
[20:04:12] <dr0w> ..which step type might I be taking a closer look at? ;)
[20:04:29] <cradek> dr0w: probably 9
[20:04:51] <dr0w> gotcha
[20:06:07] <cradek> that's the one that goes A AB B BC C CD D DA
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[20:07:20] <dr0w> I was trying to record the output with scope so I can compare it to the others.. but proving to be a PITA
[20:08:05] <cradek> you mean record the maxnc software output?
[20:08:26] <dr0w> right
[20:08:29] <cradek> aha
[20:08:49] <cradek> I did the same thing on one of them 15+ years ago
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[20:11:09] <MC500> why does it say "# type of axis, LINEAR vs. ROTARY" when it means ANGULAR is that a typo or is ANGULAR somthing differant?
[20:12:59] <dr0w> cradek: I stumbled upon your MAXNC mill, btw... very cool!
[20:13:25] <cradek> they are spelled LINEAR and ANGULAR. I don't know why your old file's comment is wrong.
[20:13:42] <cradek> dr0w: heh, it doesn't look like that anymore - but I'm still using some parts of it.
[20:15:12] <cradek> here's another incarnation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF7C8d4d0nc
[20:17:41] <dr0w> 5-axis.. wow
[20:18:19] <cradek> it's also sometimes a XYZBC setup
[20:18:52] <cradek> haha wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EYaM4FkASA
[20:19:01] <cradek> there are a lot of videos of it over the years
[20:19:23] <cradek> this was at an emc fest in '08 when it was a XYZBC demo
[20:20:06] <MC500> cradek I put in DEFAULT_ANGULAR_VELOCITY = 45.0 MAX_ANGULAR_VELOCITY = 90.0 MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY = 1.2 and it moves now... thanks
[20:20:12] <cradek> yay
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[20:23:44] <MC500> Tuning is my next task.. I have the scale at 1000 to 1 which I belive to be correct. Then what, do I set Max Velocity to 5 and P to whatever form my PID loop and everything else to 0 untill I get a pulse... .that is what I have read anyway
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[20:26:10] <MC500> a relic I found in an old ini file had Deadband set to 0.000381 whats tha for?
[20:26:26] <cradek> are your amps velocity mode?
[20:26:40] <MC500> how do I tell?
[20:26:52] <cradek> ummm - is there tach feedback?
[20:27:00] <dr0w> cradek: what CAM do you use for the 5-axis stuff?
[20:27:19] <cradek> dr0w: none. those were all hand-written
[20:27:59] <MC500> no feedback that I am aware of, nothing exterior to EMC
[20:28:02] <dr0w> wow
[20:28:30] <cradek> nothing goes directly to the amps?
[20:29:05] <MC500> no external display, I do have an amp meter but I belive that is hooked up to the spindle
[20:29:08] <cradek> you can read about deadband in the pid manpage -- but I've never really had any luck with it and I leave it set to 0
[20:29:29] <MC500> Ill do that as I am not sure why it was set
[20:29:56] <MC500> so should I get some sort of amp probe like a clamp on for tuning?
[20:30:30] <PetefromTn_> +cradek Hey man that is really cool. How did you go about programming that monster?
[20:31:24] <cradek> it's pretty easy if you do tool length and uvw (tool coordinate system) in the kins
[20:32:15] <PetefromTn_> so most of that is hand coded then?
[20:32:16] <cradek> like the ending spiral cut that does the whole ball finishing with the side of the tool - that was probably one line of gcode, just a G1
[20:32:37] <cradek> yeah all of it. I've never had or used any 5 axis cam
[20:36:15] <PetefromTn_> sweet man you got some SKILLS LOL
[20:37:03] <PetefromTn_> I have been working on a design for another custom Scope riser rail here lately.
[20:38:10] <PetefromTn_> I THINK it looks cool but I was wondering if you guys cold give me your input on it. It was designed to follow the lines of a particular rifle.
[20:39:06] <PetefromTn_> wanna see it?
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[21:01:58] <dr0w> cradek: thanks for the help!
[21:04:34] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:17:46] <CaptHindsight> anyone have a favorite source for small <1/2hp chillers like these? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2HK1169886&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-_-pla-_-Fish+-+Aquariums%2c+Hoods+%26+Stands-_-9SIA2HK1169886&ef_id=U@qERAAAAO82wmUm:20140812211652:s
[21:19:08] <CaptHindsight> https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/water-chillers/
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[21:31:12] <anarchos2> Hi, I just installed weezy from the ISO on linuxcnc.org, all is working great, but i just did a aptitude update/upgrade, and it started downloading LinuxCNC-2.7?
[21:31:45] <anarchos2> is that going to overwrite 2.6? do i somehow have the testing apt source enabled that i shouldn't have?
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[21:38:27] <anarchos2> i think if i comment out the buildbot.linuxcnc.org entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linuxcnc.list it should just leave me with the stable version, right?
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[21:49:37] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, we always used Remcor, over on River Rd , maybe Bensenville for WEDM's . dunno how small they make 'em
[21:51:37] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: thanks, their smallest one might be a fit
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[22:31:33] <chopper791> Update on the issue I was having with my mill. It was scaling, changed it to account for the metric screws and problem solved.
[22:32:13] <anarchos2> Speaking of, if i have imperial screws, can I run my mill in metric?
[22:33:24] <chopper791> Yes you can as long as you account for them in your config.
[22:33:52] <chopper791> I have done this many times but somehow forgot to account for metric screws when I was setting this machine up
[22:34:07] <chopper791> :-/
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[22:35:32] <CaptHindsight> chopper791: glad it worked
[22:35:34] <chopper791> Thanks to the fine group on here, they quickly reminded me to do soand now my machine is rocking and rolling
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[23:06:03] <klaus_> Hallo und einen guten Abend zusammen
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[23:08:07] <klaus_> ich bin neu hier und habe erst seit gestern Linux 12.04 meine Frage ist läuft Linuxcnc unter 12.04 ?
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[23:26:22] <klaus_> bye
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[23:57:24] <anarchos2> chopper791, i wonder if my inch to mm converts exactly
[23:57:47] <MC500> Should I be able to increase Velocity or P in the calibration window and have said axis go nuts or do I have to do somthing to get the axis moving first?
[23:57:48] <anarchos2> apparently it does
[23:57:54] <anarchos2> .2 inch = 5.08mm exactly
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