#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-07-29

[00:00:05] <JT-Shop> I'm sure the parts are forged steel not cast
[00:00:14] <JT-Shop> so welding is an option
[00:00:24] <PetefromTn_> Maybe I would recommend using a tapered reamer and using tapered bushings to maintain positions etc.
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[00:01:28] <JT-Shop> it's a the control linkage for a 6-way dozer blade
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[00:13:02] <JT-Shop> holding the parts will be fun
[00:13:37] <syyl_> clamp on the lower machined bosses against an angle plate?
[00:13:43] <syyl_> and support it with a few jacks
[00:13:51] <syyl_> love such parts :D
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[00:14:33] <JT-Shop> yea, it will be a challenge for sure
[00:14:47] <syyl_> ;)
[00:15:22] <JT-Shop> this one is much worse than my 310A backhoe wobble sticks
[00:15:55] <JT-Shop> this one controls 3 two way valves so the linkage is crazy
[00:18:41] <SpeedEvil> Drill and ream an appropriate hole, add a bushing to size
[00:18:56] <SpeedEvil> If 3/8 is too large, then go smaller
[00:19:23] <SpeedEvil> you can make bushings out of bearing bronze
[00:19:52] <SpeedEvil> Or, just fill the holes with weld, then drill out
[00:20:26] <JT-Shop> I think I'll weld them, that worked on the backhoe
[00:24:09] <ssi> XXCoder1: :)
[00:24:59] <XXCoder1> plan to make "dont look at laser with remaining eye" sign? lol
[00:25:03] <ssi> maybe!
[00:25:05] <ssi> I dunno yet
[00:25:05] <ssi> heheh
[00:25:12] <XXCoder1> other idea for your laser use
[00:25:25] <XXCoder1> easy to make sheet cutouts to spray paint artworks lol
[00:25:28] <ssi> I think right now I'm gonna design and cut a top panel for the machine for a power meter and some buttons and switche
[00:26:40] <ssi> I wish I knew where my spare estop button was
[00:29:42] <XXCoder1> cool
[00:32:52] <XXCoder1> amazon now sells glue gun stuff
[00:32:55] <XXCoder1> lemme get link
[00:33:01] <XXCoder1> http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=8323871011
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[00:51:46] <koss> hrmm
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[00:51:47] <koss> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00H7VEU0G/fpv-20/
[00:51:49] <koss> seems cheap
[00:52:11] <XXCoder1> BADS reviews too
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[00:56:06] <SpeedEvil> Ah.
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[00:56:19] <SpeedEvil> 'My understanding is that the cartridges are chipped and thus are proprietary. UPDATE: yes, there is a chip. The standard cartridge is loaded with at least 600 grams of material. I do have a new cartridge now but not yet the printer. However, I believe the chip will keep track of filament used and expire when 600g is.
[00:58:34] <koss> ahh they're trying to make $ on filament
[00:58:36] <koss> inkjet style
[01:01:40] <SpeedEvil> No reason you can't just gut it even
[01:02:46] <SpeedEvil> hah
[01:03:03] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00H7VEU0G/fpv-20/ + free shipping. Or http://www.amazon.co.uk/XYZprinting-Vinci-1-0-3D-Printer/dp/B00H7VEU0G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406595737&sr=8-1&keywords=da+vinci+printer + free shipping
[01:03:32] <SpeedEvil> I suspect they've fucked that up
[01:03:52] <SpeedEvil> 'This item ships to Dundee, United Kingdom. Want it Thursday, July 31? Order within 20 hrs 11 mins and choose AmazonGlobal Priority Shipping at checkout
[01:04:32] <toastyde1th> WHERES MY FUCKING OCULUS RIFT
[01:04:35] <toastyde1th> WHY ISNT IT WEDNESDAY
[01:04:46] <toastyde1th> Today is going to be a busy week
[01:04:54] <toastyde1th> rift wednesday, date thursday, funeral friday
[01:05:08] <koss> Sorry, we can't deliver this item to the United States
[01:05:15] <koss> darn i can't buy it for like 1.5x+ the price
[01:14:56] <CaptHindsight> anyone ever notice a stepper driver or motor go bad where it is easier to turn it by hand when powered in one direction vs the other without any load on the shaft?
[01:17:20] <fenugrec> hmmf why does the DRO in AXIS not show the "corrected" position (i.e. referenced to G55)... I'm only seeing machine coords
[01:18:17] <fenugrec> "G10 L20 P2 X0 Z0"; "G55"; "G0 X0 Z0" (the axes don't move when I do this, confirming I set the coord system correctly)
[01:19:26] <fenugrec> Ah jeebus "View... Show relative position". Good job
[01:20:26] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/07/28/uncia-dlp-3d-printer-set-hit-indiegogo-priced-299/ $299 is minus the projector
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[01:51:08] <PetefromTn_> Well just got finished mowing the lawn. Looks great....
[01:51:16] <XXCoder1> fancy.
[01:51:28] <XXCoder1> If I ever own a house, first thing I would do is kill most grass
[01:51:35] <PetefromTn_> Note to self.....next time you go to mow the lawn remember to pick up the dogs chain before you do it. Works better that way....
[01:51:56] <XXCoder1> plow it under, set nice concerete surface, leave smallish nice grass circle patch
[01:51:56] <PetefromTn_> I bet those missing links are in the next county by now.
[01:52:16] <XXCoder1> one orbited and landed on moon. congats. lol
[01:52:17] <PetefromTn_> It sure must be my day to be a DUMBASS!
[01:52:37] <PetefromTn_> I mean it is one stupid move after another today over here.
[01:52:55] <PetefromTn_> I am glad that I did not get time to run the CNC today who knows whaddahell might have happened LOL
[01:53:24] <XXCoder1> probably sent drill bit to other side of world lol
[01:54:06] <XXCoder1> talking about cnc, I finally moved from mecnical assembly to cnc machine position. woot!
[01:54:11] <XXCoder1> it was hella fun
[01:54:14] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah and I started mowing a little too late too. I like to mow just as it starts getting dark because it is not too hot out. Well it was JUST a little darker than I realized when I started so when I ran over that dog chain I am sure my neighbors really enjoyed that amazingly loud racket they must certainly have heard loud and clear.
[01:54:38] <XXCoder1> dog chain heard clear around world? ;)
[01:54:56] <PetefromTn_> What a moron! I mean honestly LOL
[01:55:07] <XXCoder1> :)
[01:55:35] <XXCoder1> there has been days I am like that. only things I did correctly was only out of habit lol
[01:56:12] <PetefromTn_> I did get to drive my new to me Bronco around all afternoon today. That made me smile. I am trying to pick out a reasonably priced CD/USB/Bluetooth/FM receiver for it right now.
[01:56:28] <CaptHindsight> night mowing, is the moon out?
[01:56:41] <PetefromTn_> something nice and new yet not crazy priced.
[01:56:42] <XXCoder1> capt might explain his crazyness lol
[01:57:01] <PetefromTn_> Yeah man I love mowing in the evening beats the hell outta sweating my arse off during the afternoon.
[01:57:08] <XXCoder1> heh I like my TARDIS colored soccer mom van so far lol
[01:57:20] <PetefromTn_> tardis?
[01:57:22] <XXCoder1> I'm bit tempted to paint POLICE on it
[01:57:31] <XXCoder1> and add glowing light on top
[01:57:32] <PetefromTn_> Oh and I love Vans... respect the van man!!
[01:57:59] <XXCoder1> yeah but nissian quest? it screams soccer mom so hard I actually heard it. ;)
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[01:59:05] <XXCoder1> oh this is TARDIS http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tardis-doctor-who.jpg
[01:59:12] <PetefromTn_> try to think of it as kinda a domestic limousine.
[01:59:13] <XXCoder1> my van is almost exactly that color
[01:59:20] <XXCoder1> it IS confortable
[01:59:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah I just found that out thank you.
[01:59:42] <PetefromTn_> Way comfortable.
[01:59:57] <XXCoder1> middle row of chairs not so confortable lol
[02:00:02] <PetefromTn_> and responsible, reliable, useful, chicks dig that kinda stuff ROLLEYES
[02:00:21] <XXCoder1> no thanks I'm not interested in cross-species sex
[02:00:33] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[02:00:40] <XXCoder1> chicks and chickens lol
[02:01:02] <PetefromTn_> speechless.
[02:01:34] <XXCoder1> it IS orginial meaning of "chicks"
[02:02:10] <PetefromTn_> I need to be a LOT more productive tomorrow on this CNC stuff.
[02:02:17] <PetefromTn_> Had way too much running around to do here today.
[02:02:31] <XXCoder1> yeah? what ya making if not top secret lol
[02:03:02] <PetefromTn_> working on several projects. making the changes to the prototype discussed with customer after I showed him the first iteration.
[02:03:19] <PetefromTn_> Working on a couple more custom scope risers like the other ones I made but for different rifles.
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[02:03:49] <PetefromTn_> Working on some engraving stuff for the same customer with prototype but for a different project.
[02:04:12] <PetefromTn_> Also doing some preliminary work on ANOTHER project from the same customer that he just gave me the details on last week.
[02:04:40] <Tom_itx> better hire a project scheduler
[02:04:41] <PetefromTn_> Nothing earth shattering here but it is something. Better than the copious amounts of NOTHING I was into previously.
[02:05:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah right LOL
[02:05:09] <XXCoder1> heh
[02:05:12] <PetefromTn_> you are lookin' at him.
[02:05:33] <PetefromTn_> I can do it all man.... just ask me LOL........NOT!
[02:06:15] <XXCoder1> you can do everything man
[02:06:24] <PetefromTn_> Now I gotta figure out how to replace that chain for my siberian Husky so my wife does not freak out when she goes to take him out in the morning LOL.
[02:06:26] <XXCoder1> including send me good 8020 type cnc router for free lol
[02:06:40] <XXCoder1> just reattach remaining parts lol
[02:06:49] <XXCoder1> just say its always like that lol
[02:06:51] <PetefromTn_> I am seriously considering building a heavy duty CNC router here.
[02:07:27] <PetefromTn_> I have had lots of folks approach me about things that are either not possible or not practical to make on the Cincinatti.
[02:07:40] <PetefromTn_> Things that would be a piece of crumb cake on a nice CNC router.
[02:07:49] <XXCoder1> I'm building cnc router too. not very heavy duty though. barely can cut alum is my guess
[02:08:50] <PetefromTn_> I was going to use some of the large funky profile rails they use for racks for plywood at home depot kinda stuff a friend has laying around for the perimeter rails. Not sure how good or bad that would be.
[02:09:43] <PetefromTn_> I had one piece here and I wound up cutting it into pieces and fabricating a custom rear bumper for my daughters Suzuki Samurai Rock Crawler we built for her. It seemed like decent steel and the profile was kinda L shaped.
[02:10:06] <XXCoder1> well you has a mill correct?
[02:10:18] <XXCoder1> you can EASILY make heavy steel rail plate
[02:10:19] <PetefromTn_> thats the problem with steel around the shop. If it lays around too long it gets cut up and tig welded into something else.
[02:10:25] <PetefromTn_> sure.
[02:10:27] <XXCoder1> and alum bearing blocks for gantry
[02:10:51] <XXCoder1> its lot easier when you has a cnc to make another cnc.
[02:11:01] <PetefromTn_> I really like that damn Mechmate machine. I swear I am gonna build one just as soon as I find a good reason and some money for it.
[02:11:07] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell yeah.
[02:11:13] <XXCoder1> hold on though
[02:11:20] <XXCoder1> whats your budget like? and size needs?
[02:11:47] <PetefromTn_> I used an RF31 round column mill to CNC my RF45 and then sold the round column once it was up and running. Made things a LOT easier.
[02:12:29] <PetefromTn_> I dunno man. I always figured if I was gonna build one it would HAVE to be a 4x8 at least or I would kick my own ass every time I had someone who wanted me to do a whole sheet of something.
[02:12:32] <XXCoder1> would 2'x3' be sufficent? I has machine in mind, its strong enough to mill any alum
[02:12:48] <XXCoder1> ah so its not.
[02:12:50] <PetefromTn_> naah
[02:12:58] <PetefromTn_> my mill can almost do that big.
[02:13:23] <XXCoder1> well bunch of 8020s you can easily build 4x8 ft one
[02:13:34] <XXCoder1> you remember ssi's laser tablke
[02:13:42] <PetefromTn_> I figure if I am going to go thru all the trouble to build one might as well bite the bullet and go big.
[02:13:46] <XXCoder1> make it pretty lot more beefy and its plenty rigid
[02:14:15] <PetefromTn_> I am pretty sure I would built it entirely from steel.
[02:14:28] <PetefromTn_> I can get real good prices locally for structural steel.
[02:14:33] <XXCoder1> that'd be tough enough to mill steel if properly structured
[02:14:51] <XXCoder1> you could use alum for additional strength to lower price though
[02:14:57] <PetefromTn_> I would be real happy if it would cut aluminum without chattering to hell and back.
[02:15:50] <PetefromTn_> There is a guy selling a large commercial older CNC router table locally that has a blown control and is missing a bunch of parts. If his price was just a little better it would already be in my shop.
[02:16:28] <PetefromTn_> I really like the mechmate design with the tall sides and flat wide gantry.
[02:16:39] <PetefromTn_> It just seems like it would work very well to me for some reason.
[02:17:03] <XXCoder1> if youre building I'd recommand plenty of space long side wise
[02:17:15] <PetefromTn_> I am still working on my damn kitchen remodel right now so every weekend we have off I am cluttering up the shop with wood and paint stuff.
[02:17:17] <XXCoder1> so gantry can be nice and wide and STILL can point tool at all points along 8 feet
[02:17:34] <XXCoder1> add few inches so you can use very wide tool all way to edge too
[02:17:52] <XXCoder1> in case you need strange case of faceoff on entire 4x8 lol
[02:18:01] <PetefromTn_> I think once I get that finished and assuming we have not sold our house I will probably take a ride into Knoxville for a bunch of steel.
[02:18:20] <XXCoder1> man bit envious I'm quite poor lol
[02:18:22] <PetefromTn_> yeah of course I would want it to be able to reach all around a full sheet.
[02:18:28] <XXCoder1> so poor I'm scvanging wood for my cnc lol
[02:18:35] <PetefromTn_> LOL SO AM I MAN!!
[02:18:47] <PetefromTn_> whadda hell do you think I am rich ?
[02:18:49] <XXCoder1> you can afford steel. not poor to me LOL
[02:18:58] <XXCoder1> not rich just not poor ;)
[02:19:03] <PetefromTn_> If I was I would just buy a damn CNC router instead of building one.
[02:19:17] <PetefromTn_> steel is actually not all that expensive really.
[02:19:23] <PetefromTn_> comparatively speaking.
[02:20:11] <PetefromTn_> I just build a guy a complete set of heavy duty ramps for a trailer in the shop. they were like 50 inches long and 24 inches wide each and had lots of crossbeams so he could load his large farm tractor on it.
[02:20:29] <PetefromTn_> The total cost of all the steel was only like $125.00 or so.
[02:20:45] <PetefromTn_> it was all quarter inch too.
[02:20:55] <XXCoder1> interesting. a good long 96 inch 3030 beam 8020 say is $149
[02:21:19] <XXCoder1> thats 8 foot
[02:21:52] <PetefromTn_> if you can keep the steel straight along its length with cross bars and triangulation you can do it with channel or square tube or even angle pretty easily.
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[02:22:23] <XXCoder1> interesting
[02:22:30] <PetefromTn_> I think the 20 foot piece of 2.5x2.5 inch quarter inch thick angle was like $40,00 or so?
[02:22:34] <XXCoder1> you probably can even use some 8020 for ease of build
[02:22:47] <XXCoder1> with steel for flat sheets
[02:22:47] <PetefromTn_> honestly I don't see the point.
[02:23:12] <PetefromTn_> if you look at commercial routers there is almost ZERO of that stuff in them.
[02:23:21] <XXCoder1> yeah
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[02:23:22] <PetefromTn_> They are almost strictly made from steel weldments
[02:23:26] <XXCoder1> but then easier for me to build
[02:23:35] <XXCoder1> thats why my next cnc is 8020 unfortunately
[02:24:01] <PetefromTn_> sure if you cannot weld or don't want to deal with grinding etc.
[02:24:26] <PetefromTn_> I am amazed at what some of these guys making CNC routers from completely MDF are able to accomplish.
[02:24:41] <XXCoder1> indeed
[02:24:50] <XXCoder1> my router isnt that fancy lol
[02:24:53] <PetefromTn_> Some of them are quite capable and rigid amazingly
[02:25:04] <XXCoder1> did you see my cnc plans?
[02:25:17] <XXCoder1> from what I see, it is very rigid for wood
[02:25:20] <PetefromTn_> probably but I do not remember what I did yesterday.
[02:25:31] <XXCoder1> needs modifcation though since nbo room for motors lol
[02:25:34] <XXCoder1> a sec
[02:26:08] <XXCoder1> https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/l/t1.0-9/p180x540/10437426_459546047523637_2716155928263852566_n.png?oh=e0c4cf5a63df70ddf1792cb9c1488752&oe=544A5F74
[02:26:20] <XXCoder1> wrong image but nice closeup anyway
[02:26:34] <XXCoder1> https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/p320x320/10427235_456337351177840_1505210135140562994_n.png
[02:26:50] <XXCoder1> revisied it since then, router is now proper sized and bit smaller
[02:27:09] <PetefromTn_> interesting.
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[02:27:22] <PetefromTn_> moving gantry
[02:27:29] <XXCoder1> dont get it wrong, it is TINY lol
[02:27:41] <XXCoder1> 2 1/2 ft is longest distance
[02:27:47] <XXCoder1> its foot and half tall
[02:27:58] <PetefromTn_> that is probably plenty for a lot of stuff.
[02:28:00] <XXCoder1> it'll be taller to fit motor in Z axis but yeah
[02:28:16] <XXCoder1> workspace is 1 1/2 feet all around and 3 inches tall
[02:28:48] <PetefromTn_> that will work for a lot of stuff and some stuff you can make in parts or sections probably.
[02:29:16] <XXCoder1> yeah its main point is ability to accurately build parts for better cnc too lol
[02:29:24] <PetefromTn_> the other thing I am kinda concerned about with having a large CNC router in the shop is noise.
[02:29:37] <PetefromTn_> I have heard many of them running and they sure make a racket.
[02:29:38] <XXCoder1> maybe try white noise of some form
[02:29:53] <PetefromTn_> even those with quality high speed spindles.
[02:29:57] <XXCoder1> then semi-soundproof your shop, enough to block most of white noise
[02:30:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have considered that.
[02:30:36] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I have done TONS of custom cabinet work in there including running large wood shapers and tablesaws and so far nobody has complained.
[02:31:24] <PetefromTn_> I try to keep a good neighborly friendliness with my locals and my closest neighbor just this afternoon brought me over a huge bag of potatoes she grew LOL
[02:31:34] <XXCoder1> nice
[02:31:49] <PetefromTn_> My neighbor on the other side has a large garden and gives my wife squashes and tomatoes and stuff every week LOL.
[02:32:00] <PetefromTn_> So I must have not pissed them off too badly LOL
[02:32:19] <XXCoder1> man wish theres some neighbor that has rharbaru growing
[02:32:23] <XXCoder1> I love those but hard to get
[02:32:38] <PetefromTn_> the one who brought me the Potatoes commented to my wife about me revving up the 351 in my Bronco the night I got it tho jokingly...
[02:33:35] <PetefromTn_> it has Flowmaster Mufflers on it and sounds kinda mean and a bit loud when you rev it up hehehe. I have been making a concerted effort to NOT rev it up too much later in the evening LOL
[02:33:56] <PetefromTn_> It is not easy for me tho I have a weakness here.
[02:34:01] <XXCoder1> lol
[02:34:05] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[02:34:22] <PetefromTn_> jeez man are we the only people on this whole damn channel?
[02:34:27] <XXCoder1> guess so
[02:34:34] <toastyde1th> NOW IM HERE BITCHES
[02:34:36] <toastyde1th> cough
[02:34:37] <toastyde1th> i mean
[02:35:09] <Tom_itx> are you a redneck?
[02:35:09] <toastyde1th> hello
[02:35:09] <PetefromTn_> wazzup bitches!!
[02:35:10] <PetefromTn_> who?
[02:35:40] <Tom_itx> did you see the topgear episode where they went to the deep south and pissed em off?
[02:35:51] <PetefromTn_> you mean the one in Florida?
[02:36:08] <PetefromTn_> Those guys crack me up!
[02:36:18] <PetefromTn_> I love Clarkson he is so funny.
[02:36:19] <Tom_itx> i think
[02:36:24] <Tom_itx> but it was in carolina
[02:36:33] <Tom_itx> he can be a dick
[02:36:35] <PetefromTn_> He does have a bit of a thing for americans tho LOL
[02:36:49] <PetefromTn_> that is his schtick tho I think.
[02:36:56] <Tom_itx> the rednecks nearly kicked their ass
[02:37:23] <PetefromTn_> My wife thinks Richard Hammond is a cutey pie LOL
[02:37:57] <XXCoder1> I love top gear
[02:37:58] <PetefromTn_> he's probably four foot three or something.
[02:38:03] <XXCoder1> I dont really like usa version
[02:38:08] <XXCoder1> less talky and more bullshit
[02:38:10] <PetefromTn_> its okay.
[02:38:30] <PetefromTn_> they had a long road to hoe to fill those shoes man.
[02:38:43] <XXCoder1> yeah I just like brit format better
[02:38:47] <PetefromTn_> those three are just born to work together on that show.
[02:39:00] <PetefromTn_> I love the stig too...
[02:39:01] <XXCoder1> yeah they work off each other very well
[02:39:03] <XXCoder1> yep
[02:39:09] <XXCoder1> stig is untouchable
[02:39:23] <PetefromTn_> I crack up when they make him drive their pieces of shit they build.
[02:39:42] <XXCoder1> I saw him take a basic van and really take it out in town on track
[02:39:43] <PetefromTn_> I just watched the one where they made a convertible van that was funny.
[02:39:45] <XXCoder1> damn scary
[02:39:52] <XXCoder1> lol thats funny
[02:40:27] <PetefromTn_> I think one of the best ones was when they went thru the jungles of south america.
[02:40:29] <Tom_itx> watch season18 episode3
[02:40:31] <PetefromTn_> That was really cool.
[02:40:57] <XXCoder1> heh just saw one where they took 3 former supercars
[02:40:58] <PetefromTn_> Having owned and four wheeled about six different suzuki samurai's I loved it when Richard Hammond Showed up with one.
[02:41:12] <XXCoder1> list of tasks lol and damn on guy car motor actually exploded
[02:41:14] <PetefromTn_> That damn little truck kicked ass.
[02:41:27] <XXCoder1> and it has bad design flaw where brakes goes away if motor stops
[02:41:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah that was the maserati right.
[02:41:37] <XXCoder1> so he had to mark bushes lol
[02:41:53] <PetefromTn_> that old Lamborghini was sweet tho.
[02:42:06] <XXCoder1> fake ferrari lol
[02:42:10] <PetefromTn_> Honestly my wife and I watch those shows all the time.
[02:42:30] <PetefromTn_> we have this ongoing arguement about what is the most beautiful sportscar ever made.
[02:43:17] <XXCoder1> dunno, maybe that guys real tiny car lol
[02:43:18] <Tom_itx> you like sharp edges or rounded?
[02:43:26] <XXCoder1> that was funny. he actuallu drove in library
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[02:43:40] <XXCoder1> and ran out of battery so he had to turn on motor lol oops
[02:43:48] <PetefromTn_> She thinks the Lamborghini Miura SV is the most beautiful and while I agree it has to be one of the most beautiful cars ever made I saw that episode about the eagle X type and now I just dunno...
[02:44:03] <PetefromTn_> that was funny actually.
[02:44:10] <XXCoder1> vw special edition may be the best one if not most beautful.
[02:44:14] <XXCoder1> damn 1k hp
[02:44:23] <XXCoder1> and tranny not designed to just run one or 2 race
[02:44:52] <PetefromTn_> http://www.wallpapersexotica.com/creative-lamborghini-miura-black/
[02:45:14] <XXCoder1> looks unconfortable
[02:45:24] <PetefromTn_> http://www.carsuk.net/wp-content/gallery/eagle-e-type-speedster/eagle-e-type-speedster-1.jpg
[02:45:41] <XXCoder1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron
[02:45:54] <XXCoder1> now thats nice - e type
[02:45:58] <PetefromTn_> http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/eagle-jaguar-e-type-005_100203636_l.jpg
[02:46:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah the veyron is AMAZING and a technological Triumph but is it really one of the most beautiful cars ever made?
[02:46:48] <XXCoder1> I dont really like front
[02:46:51] <XXCoder1> rest looks awesome
[02:46:53] <Tom_itx> me either
[02:46:58] <PetefromTn_> Those pipes give me a hard on..
[02:47:09] <XXCoder1> stiff pipe over pipes lol
[02:47:38] <PetefromTn_> http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb164/ApexOversteer/Eagle-E-Type-Speedster-4.jpg
[02:48:00] <XXCoder1> front meh but very nice neo-classical look
[02:48:48] <PetefromTn_> That car is amazing. It is completely hand crafted from the ground up.
[02:49:04] <PetefromTn_> It is built by folks who absolutely adore the classic E type.
[02:49:16] <Tom_itx> looks quite a bit like a cobra
[02:49:23] <PetefromTn_> It is stupid expensive but man it is beautiful.
[02:49:38] <PetefromTn_> I agree it kinda has some cobra lines sorta kinda.
[02:49:55] <PetefromTn_> I have seen some custom cobra kit cars that were to die for.
[02:50:03] <XXCoder1> http://www.wired.com/2009/12/boat-tail-geo-metro/
[02:50:09] <XXCoder1> ugly as fuck but good mpg
[02:50:12] <PetefromTn_> there is a guy that has an all burgundy one that attends the local cruise in.
[02:50:36] <PetefromTn_> He let me sit in it and start the motor one time.
[02:50:47] <PetefromTn_> I nearly had to be pried out of the car LOL.
[02:50:55] <XXCoder1> lol
[02:51:12] <PetefromTn_> It has a built 351 in it and DAMN does it sound good.
[02:51:21] <PetefromTn_> I am quite sure it hauls ever lovin' ass too.
[02:51:45] <PetefromTn_> He showed me the custom built suspension pieces it has. Took him like eight years to build it.
[02:52:25] <XXCoder1> even uglier, but won MPG contest http://www.treehugger.com/cars/modified-honda-crx-hf-wins-fuel-economy-competition-with-118-mpg.html
[02:52:33] <XXCoder1> 118 mpg
[02:52:37] <PetefromTn_> I would be afraid to drive the damn thing after all that work my luck some jackass on his cellphone would slam into me and destroy it.
[02:52:51] <PetefromTn_> LOL I used to have a CRX HF.
[02:52:57] <Tom_itx> like gas monkeys mustang?
[02:53:01] <PetefromTn_> Damn car was amazing on miles even with my heavy foot.
[02:53:13] <PetefromTn_> not seen it tom.
[02:53:14] <XXCoder1> heh with those shit mods 118 mpg
[02:53:21] <XXCoder1> insane
[02:53:30] <XXCoder1> thats fucking 118 miles per gallon.
[02:53:42] <XXCoder1> 10 gallons you can go across 1/3 of usa
[02:54:10] <Tom_itx> how long would it take to get there though?
[02:54:12] <PetefromTn_> not surprised at all really.
[02:54:43] <PetefromTn_> like I said my 1984 Honda CIVIC CRX HF got stupid mileage. It was not all that slow either it was kinda fun to drive.
[02:54:53] <XXCoder1> more extreme mod but LESS mpg lol http://www.treehugger.com/slideshows/cars/mike-turners-do-it-yourself-95-mpg-aerocivic/
[02:55:37] <XXCoder1> actual site http://www.aerocivic.com/
[02:55:44] <PetefromTn_> http://www.blogcdn.com/autos.aol.com/media/import/1986-crx.jpg this is exactly what my car looked like.
[02:55:48] <PetefromTn_> It was my second car.
[02:55:58] <XXCoder1> nice
[02:56:08] <XXCoder1> my second car was 1988 mecury sable
[02:56:14] <PetefromTn_> First one was a four cylinder 1983 mustang that blew a timing belt on me on the freeway and lunched the engine
[02:56:20] <XXCoder1> lx edition too, nice and powerful. 21 mpg lol
[02:56:53] <PetefromTn_> I think the mileage on the HF was like 50 or something back then.
[02:57:01] <PetefromTn_> It was actually a peppy little car.
[02:57:15] <PetefromTn_> had a nice sunroof and cool seats.
[02:57:25] <PetefromTn_> I actually kinda loved that little car.
[02:57:41] <XXCoder1> 50 mpg I'd have loved it too
[02:57:44] <XXCoder1> damn
[02:59:51] <PetefromTn_> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Honda1984.shtml Nope I was wrong...47
[03:00:00] <XXCoder1> still better lol
[03:01:13] <PetefromTn_> http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/autos/1006/gallery.top_mpg_since_1984/5.html
[03:02:26] <XXCoder1> #1 wow
[03:11:36] <PetefromTn_> wanna hear a crazy idea I had...
[03:11:43] <PetefromTn_> one of many of course.
[03:11:55] <XXCoder1> go to town with it
[03:12:13] <PetefromTn_> well lets say you want to build yourself a nice heavy duty large CNC router.
[03:12:36] <PetefromTn_> and you want to save some time and money maybe
[03:12:39] <XXCoder1> single block milled to be cnc? ;)
[03:12:44] <XXCoder1> jk
[03:12:54] <XXCoder1> would be NUTS in price
[03:12:59] <PetefromTn_> well what if you look on your local craigslist for a deal on something like this..
[03:13:15] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/for/4592127166.html
[03:13:21] <PetefromTn_> or at least something similar
[03:13:30] <PetefromTn_> you try to buy it cheap as hell.
[03:13:32] <XXCoder1> HMMM it is designed for heavy load
[03:13:49] <PetefromTn_> then you cut off all the axles and fenders and stuff and sell them to recoup some of your cost.
[03:13:49] <XXCoder1> maybe boat trailers
[03:14:17] <PetefromTn_> then you get some steel legs and either bolt or weld them on and you have a ready made essentially heavy duty frame to build off of.
[03:14:32] <XXCoder1> its actually not bad idea
[03:14:42] <XXCoder1> trailers that twist is VERY bad
[03:14:47] <PetefromTn_> Lots of these trailers are built on large jig tables so while they are not precision
[03:14:50] <XXCoder1> so they tend to be very rigid
[03:14:52] <PetefromTn_> they are probably not too terrible.
[03:15:09] <PetefromTn_> if you shop around you might even get a nice one all painted up LOL.
[03:15:23] <XXCoder1> lol if its painted its to hide rust cancer
[03:15:28] <PetefromTn_> Probably could get something for a couple hundred bucks.
[03:15:50] <PetefromTn_> especially if the thing needs work.
[03:16:06] <XXCoder1> yeah avoid accient ones though
[03:16:07] <PetefromTn_> but the frames are probably decent at least with a little angle grinder time.
[03:16:18] <PetefromTn_> anyways you get the point.
[03:17:00] <PetefromTn_> would take a BUNCH of work out of getting the basic table built and you would have a large footprint table for low cost especially after you sell off the axles and wheels and tongue and lights you will not be needing.
[03:17:21] <PetefromTn_> Then you just gotta build the rails and gantry somehow. etc etc.
[03:17:30] <XXCoder1> yeah
[03:17:44] <XXCoder1> just steel sheets and stuff. you has cnc to make those
[03:17:48] <PetefromTn_> SOME of the larger car trailers are very heavy duty frames. WAY stronger than need be for a CNC router.
[03:18:24] <XXCoder1> yeah just question of size vs cost
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[03:19:16] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/grd/4591278643.html
[03:19:42] <XXCoder1> dunno on strength of that one
[03:19:50] <XXCoder1> probably bottom frame is very strong thougg
[03:19:52] <PetefromTn_> flip that over.. finish bracing the rails around the end and use the corners to brace the legs and you have a large CNC router table for pretty cheap.
[03:20:20] <XXCoder1> lol trailer sellers probably wonder why they sell well suddenly ;)
[03:20:28] <XXCoder1> now that you revealed all here
[03:20:37] <PetefromTn_> well it is just an idea.
[03:20:50] <XXCoder1> got an idea
[03:20:52] <PetefromTn_> I know I could take one and cut it all up and make something out of it.
[03:20:54] <XXCoder1> train tracks LOL
[03:21:12] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[03:21:16] <XXCoder1> so damn solid. only only can be illegally bought though :P
[03:22:05] <PetefromTn_> seriously tho the RIGHT trailer would get you 90 percent of the way to a CNC router table frame with just a little work and take away a lot of fabrication work and cutting and welding for those who are not capable.
[03:22:29] <XXCoder1> most of those would be HUGE too lol
[03:22:37] <XXCoder1> pretty far above 4x8 sheet
[03:22:41] <PetefromTn_> most even have substantial cross bars for supporting the wood floors.
[03:22:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah exactly.
[03:23:10] <PetefromTn_> you could build a large footprint router for a fraction of the cost it would take to build one from raw materials.
[03:23:29] <PetefromTn_> Even if the frame was less than ideal in some respects it would STILL save you a ton of work.
[03:26:55] <PetefromTn_> I dunno maybe it is a crazy idea. I have been known to have them LOL
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[03:27:40] <XXCoder1> well it is crackpot idea but one that probably will work.
[03:28:12] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/bar/4582163595.html
[03:28:18] <PetefromTn_> see any resemblance?
[03:28:42] <XXCoder1> that probably is good for wood or alum cnc
[03:28:57] <PetefromTn_> http://www.mycncuk.com/threads/3731-Steel-Framed-Router
[03:29:06] <PetefromTn_> just for example
[03:29:14] <PetefromTn_> you but that for $350.00
[03:29:18] <XXCoder1> yeah
[03:29:29] <PetefromTn_> cut it all up and sell the wheels and axles and fenders and lights etc etc.
[03:29:35] <PetefromTn_> maybe recoup a hun or two.
[03:29:53] <PetefromTn_> and you are on your way to a sweet machine.
[03:31:02] <PetefromTn_> a couple cutoff wheels and maybe a grinder and a couple hours of your time and you have the basic table setup at least and probably enough material to make some other stuff for the machine.
[03:31:44] <PetefromTn_> You might even be able to use the expanded metal for something like bracing the legs or corners and use the tongue bar for one of the legs at least if not two.
[03:33:06] <PetefromTn_> Honestly the more I think about it, I would bet I could get a heavier duty one and built the base table out of it and then get some large diameter tube and make the rails for the mechmate style setup welded on top of that.
[03:33:45] <XXCoder1> maybe. I gonna go though. night :)
[03:34:30] <PetefromTn_> gnite man.
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[03:56:50] <ssi> hm
[04:03:04] <XXCoder1> cant sleep till parents of kids im watching comes back. bahh
[04:04:36] <XXCoder1> ssi: did you see pete idea
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[04:04:49] <XXCoder1> definitely interesting idea, large and rigid frame for cnc cheap
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[04:08:17] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: duct tape kids to wall, take nap.
[04:08:24] <XXCoder1> lol
[04:08:39] <XXCoder1> definitely not a nap, I normally would start trying to sleep for 8 hours now
[04:09:06] <Jymmm> Duct tape kids to outside of front door, go to sleep.
[04:13:03] <ssi> XXCoder1: no
[04:13:12] <Jymmm> wuss
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[04:19:56] <XXCoder1> lol
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[04:55:03] <ssi> that almost worked out well :P
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[05:00:16] <PetefromTn> can't sleep LOL
[05:01:10] <ssi> :)
[05:01:21] <ssi> I'mmabout to try this cut again
[05:01:51] <XXCoder1> PetefromTn: me either
[05:02:10] <XXCoder1> you probably kept thinking about conversion to cnc thing :)
[05:02:54] <PetefromTn> yeah man I think I am gonna post an ad looking for a dirt cheap trailer LOL
[05:03:09] <XXCoder1> "no wheels is fine"
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[05:03:24] <PetefromTn> exactly
[05:04:06] <PetefromTn> I think I may be onto something here if I can find the RIGHT trailer
[05:04:29] <XXCoder1> boat ones tend to have few metal crossings but hella lot stronger
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[05:05:21] <PetefromTn> Imma ask my local Facebook friends too see if anyone has some broken trailer sitting in the yard they want outta their way hehehe.
[05:05:29] <XXCoder1> :)
[05:06:08] <PetefromTn> I don't think boat trailers are gonna work at all man. at least none of the kinds I am used to seeing.
[05:07:14] <XXCoder1> pobably depends on type. I saw some that really has very strong beams
[05:08:26] <PetefromTn> sure but the stronger ones are usually tilted in to allow the boat to sit lower on the frame which would basically make it useless unless all you wanted it for was just the raw materials.
[05:08:36] <XXCoder1> hmm true
[05:09:23] <XXCoder1> well night
[05:09:34] <PetefromTn> http://www.mechmate.com/
[05:09:47] <PetefromTn> nite man.
[05:10:10] <PetefromTn> ssi whaddahell are you doing now man?
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[05:15:18] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10568982_10100437891988452_2420134775619752362_n.jpg?oh=e3d94ce3a1dd59755cd736378f78f610&oe=544F0EC2&__gda__=1413441469_9865240ca53003752d30486b913ce159
[05:15:45] <ssi> I haven't figured out power/feedrate combo to etch acrylic nicely
[05:15:50] <ssi> it works, but it's not pretty
[05:15:53] <ssi> the cuts look great tho
[05:16:36] <PetefromTn> damn that is cool.
[05:18:15] <Valen> sexeh
[05:18:48] <ssi> I bought four sheets of 1/4" plywood tonight
[05:19:01] <ssi> I found plans online to make a laser cut plywood violin
[05:19:02] <ssi> hahaha
[05:19:33] <ssi> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:10755
[05:21:09] <Valen> heh 8 bit style
[05:22:14] <Valen> I wonder how it sounds
[05:23:39] <ssi> I wonder
[05:23:46] <PetefromTn> jeez man you would think with a CNC they could come up with something more elegant than that. looks like something from my kids favorite video game
[05:23:57] <ssi> PetefromTn: that's the point :P
[05:24:14] <ssi> PetefromTn: your old man is showing
[05:24:27] <PetefromTn> cannot remember the damn name right now
[05:24:44] <PetefromTn> hey kiss it!
[05:25:04] <PetefromTn> how old are you again?
[05:25:47] <ssi> not as old as you!
[05:25:48] <ssi> :D
[05:26:55] <PetefromTn> minecraft that's the one.
[05:27:24] <PetefromTn> looks like a damn minecraft violin
[05:27:30] <ssi> haha yep
[05:28:05] <PetefromTn> whaddya think of my crazy old man idea?
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[05:28:28] <ssi> I think it'd be cheaper to buy a truckload of steel and fabricate, and more likely to get what you want :)
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[05:29:07] <PetefromTn> I doubt it. to make a full sheet table will take quite a lot of steel.
[05:29:29] <ssi> I built a half-sheet table, and I'd say I have $300 in steel for it
[05:29:37] <ssi> and it's all 3/16" wall 2x4 rectangle tube
[05:29:39] <ssi> strong as hell
[05:30:32] <PetefromTn> sure but that will probably not fly for a full sheet table.
[05:30:53] <ssi> if you say so
[05:31:15] <PetefromTn> at least not without considerable support and bracing.
[05:31:17] <ssi> this one holds 4x4x1" thick steel plus 50 gal water with no problem
[05:32:31] <PetefromTn> I am sure it does. but to make a full sheet table you would basically double the materials and then some
[05:33:02] <PetefromTn> so $6-700.00 based on what you spent most likely.
[05:34:50] <PetefromTn> I'm just saying it could be a way to get a long way towards a large table for very little outlay especially if you sold off the parts left over.
[05:35:05] <ssi> well go do it and report back
[05:35:07] <ssi> I'm goin to bed
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[07:51:27] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[09:06:44] <Loetmichel> soo, soldered the seams of the first few shielding boxes... i dont like that SN95.5ag3 for electrnics, but for soldering enclosures its very fine ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15093
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[09:58:50] <TekniQue> Loetmichel: yeah, Sn-Ag blends are excellent for soldering sheet metal and such
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[11:11:08] <SpeedEvil> And with more Ag - excellent for harder stuff
[11:11:13] <SpeedEvil> (bandsaw blades say)
[11:11:54] <Loetmichel> TekniQue: i cant weld them because they are already zinced
[11:12:01] <Loetmichel> so i had to resort to soldering
[11:13:33] <Loetmichel> sooo, delivery of soup recived... LUNCHTIME!" -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15096 ;-)
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[13:00:28] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, its not even glorified! https://www.redpah.com/product/519/gelfeed-glue-electric-feeder
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[13:22:49] <Jymmm> I saw a sample of carbon fiber yesterday, It was two layers epoxied on the left, and a 1mm thick "stabilizer" added in the middle on the right. The left way very flexible, but the right was incredibly rigid. I was walking around the store trying to flex/bow/bend and it just wouldn't give. The stabilizer (in it's raw form) looks/feels like 1mm soft cotton batting, completely flexible in all directions.
[13:24:09] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: physics
[13:24:24] <mutilator> Jymmm: magics
[13:24:29] <Loetmichel> a 1" pipe is nearly as rigid as an 1" rod.
[13:24:49] <Loetmichel> same for the carbon: it "thickens" where the stabilizuer is
[13:24:55] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: mutilator voodoo
[13:25:05] <Loetmichel> the inner layers dont bear any force anyways
[13:25:40] <Loetmichel> i did a lot of stuff with carbon and glass fibre boards with aramid paper honeycomb core
[13:26:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4408&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[13:26:26] <Loetmichel> thats a 7mm thick sheet of these honeycomb glassfibre sandwich
[13:26:43] <Loetmichel> you can put it on some stad left and right and kneel in the middle
[13:26:53] <Loetmichel> and i am >>100kg
[13:28:17] <Loetmichel> i made a set of ribs fopr a big model plane of the same stuff with carbon... nearly indestructible, but weighting next to nothing
[13:28:25] * archivist points at the Open University set book The new science of strong materials J.E. Gordon Penguin Books 1978
[13:28:35] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4772&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[13:28:50] <Loetmichel> the tiles are 32cm by 32cm!
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[13:29:34] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=6743&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 there you can see the honeycomb paper in the cuts: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=6743&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[13:30:14] <Loetmichel> 252 grams quadcoter chassis ... with 80cm diameter
[13:30:16] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[13:30:19] <Loetmichel> +p
[13:31:21] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: it may seem like voodoo, but its just physics
[13:33:23] <Jymmm> No, it's voodoo! They had a frog and witch doctor there too!
[13:34:20] <Jymmm> oh, and zombies too!
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[13:46:01] <ssi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich-structured_composite
[13:46:48] <ssi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich_theory
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[13:58:47] <Loetmichel> ssi: like i said: just physics
[13:58:50] <Loetmichel> :-)
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[14:09:53] <skunkworks_> Woot! Whoot!
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[14:12:03] <cradek> yay!!
[14:12:54] <Loetmichel> *rimshot*
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[14:25:59] <ReadError> ssi
[14:26:01] <ReadError> you laser
[14:26:03] <ReadError> your laser*
[14:26:08] <ReadError> are you doing it from scratch?
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[14:46:51] <ssi> yes
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[14:49:48] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140729-hellmanns-3d-prints-selfies-out-of-mayonnaise.html not even glue :) I should post a youtube of one printing with Elmers
[14:51:21] <ssi> there is pva filament on the market
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[14:53:26] <CaptHindsight> Hellmans is to mayonnaise as Elmers is to PVA
[14:53:45] <ssi> yeah but nobody makes mayonnaise filament :D
[14:53:48] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yes, the damn glorified glue gun aka "3d printer" has now a new low... Not just mayo, but selfies in mayo. <wipes away the tear of the lost humanity in the world>
[14:53:55] <CaptHindsight> yet
[14:54:33] <Jymmm> Just wait for the "pasta printer" *heavy sigh*.
[14:54:51] <CaptHindsight> do a quick search it's out there
[14:55:05] <Jymmm> No
[14:55:16] <Jymmm> I don't want to know
[14:55:35] <Jymmm> I REJECT your reality, and replace it with my own!
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[15:21:17] <eeriegeek> I'm launching a kickstarter for a sandwich scraper to recover/reuse mayo in 3D printers.
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[15:23:13] <ssi> eeriegeek++
[15:24:12] <CaptHindsight> eeriegeek: will it separate and filter mayo, mustard, ketchup and vegetable particles using a *duino in some way?
[15:24:17] <Jymmm> I'm launching a kickstarter to fight against bigotry and to include mustard and ketchup along with mayo in 3D printers! NO H8
[15:25:01] <CaptHindsight> ... using a smartphone while at the beach
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[15:34:35] <tjtr33> at the beach? kicksandstarter = shades of Joe Weider http://www.jeffsextonwrites.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Atlas-Mac-ad.jpg
[15:36:20] <tjtr33> and the mayo picture looks like Ronald McDonald for some reason
[15:37:10] <CaptHindsight> great excuse for insulting people, it makes men out of them :p
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[15:38:25] <CaptHindsight> the good ol days when every TV show and comic book solved the problem with fighting
[15:38:50] <jdh> we still do.
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[15:42:31] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: I was thinking Colonel Sanders
[15:47:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140729-5-meter-tall-giant-magna-delta-3d-printer-unveiled-by-japanese-creators.html VS http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/07/27/seemecnc-prepares-unveil-daddy-3d-printers/
[15:47:51] <CaptHindsight> I can't decide which one is the most silly
[15:48:35] <syyl_ws> calling 3d printers stupid? :D
[15:48:59] <syyl_ws> gloryfied hotglueguns?
[15:49:23] <CaptHindsight> the one from Japan is a bit more rigid
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[15:50:57] <CaptHindsight> must have better than +- 10cm repeatability
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[16:02:34] <syyl_ws> :D
[16:02:40] <syyl_ws> i prefer real machine tools
[16:03:03] <syyl_ws> made of this strange, non hipster material
[16:03:13] <syyl_ws> called "cast iron" and "steel"
[16:04:02] <ssi> syyl_ws: I call that "reverse 3D printing"
[16:04:10] <ssi> where you start with a big block of metal and selectively remove bits
[16:04:16] <ssi> it's going to revolutionize the 3D printing industry
[16:04:23] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a fad
[16:04:33] <syyl_ws> thats awesome, ssi :D
[16:04:44] <ssi> I think in a few years everything will be made with my groundbreaking new technology
[16:04:48] <ssi> cars, houses, tools, everything
[16:04:48] <syyl_ws> ;)
[16:05:14] <syyl_ws> i just did 3d printing in my own shop!
[16:05:21] <syyl_ws> weld buildup with tig ;)
[16:05:27] <ssi> :)
[16:05:33] <ssi> people have built 3d printers that work that way, heh
[16:05:49] <syyl_ws> i have seen a wirefeed 3d printer
[16:05:54] <syyl_ws> like a mig gun
[16:06:01] <ssi> yea
[16:06:04] <syyl_ws> das "kinda interesting"
[16:06:19] <ssi> I'm with you on that... 4/10, wouldn't build :D
[16:06:26] <syyl_ws> :D
[16:06:44] <ssi> I like 3d printers... they're fun and can be useful
[16:06:55] <ssi> I think very few people that have them use them well
[16:07:11] <ssi> most of the hipsters sit around and print bullshit toys and dream about a world where everything is 3d printed
[16:07:17] <syyl_ws> ah
[16:07:19] <syyl_ws> bre pettis!
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[16:07:27] <ssi> I use mine to make parts for my bigger machines where it's an acceptable process and material
[16:07:28] <syyl_ws> the incarnation of the hipsterdevil
[16:07:37] <ssi> the mirror mounts and tube mounts for my laser are 3d printed
[16:07:44] <CaptHindsight> did they used to call it additive manufacturing or rapid prototyping?
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[16:07:58] <ssi> both? I dunno :P
[16:08:09] <syyl_ws> hermle had a machine in planing
[16:08:19] <syyl_ws> milling machine that could also do additive machining
[16:08:24] <CaptHindsight> and wasn't 3d printing just the type that used inkjet
[16:08:34] <syyl_ws> "hermle alchemiy"
[16:08:37] <syyl_ws> kinda cool name :D
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[17:04:51] <JT-Shop> it ain't going well today, just smoked my only two O drills
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[17:09:24] <syyl_ws> i have a great shop day ;)
[17:09:37] <syyl_ws> got some casehardening compound like kasenite
[17:09:43] <syyl_ws> and it works beautyfull
[17:12:20] <syyl_ws> and just finished a nice toolholder for my shaper
[17:13:39] <JT-Shop> nice
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[17:14:56] <IchGuckLive> hi aöll B)
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[17:15:45] <IchGuckLive> oh reealy today its now the 2.6.0
[17:15:51] <IchGuckLive> nice
[17:16:56] <IchGuckLive> someone had any updating issues on 10.04
[17:17:31] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: 80l/Hr we got badly hit and submurged today
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[17:18:35] * Loetmichel reaches thru the channel and gives IchGuckLive a few dirt water pumps
[17:18:44] <IchGuckLive> K6MLE: did you find a solothion that might work on your Z
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[17:19:07] <IchGuckLive> i got 3 at 15.000L7Hr
[17:19:17] <IchGuckLive> but without power no way
[17:19:40] <IchGuckLive> and for the traktor pump not enoph at the time
[17:20:59] <JT-Shop> I mig welded the holes up, I wonder if I should have stick welded them?
[17:23:25] <syyl_ws> the linkage you showed yesterday?
[17:23:51] <JT-Shop> yea
[17:24:04] <syyl_ws> hmm
[17:24:12] <syyl_ws> i still would have brazed it
[17:24:21] <syyl_ws> but i think theres nothing wrong with mig
[17:25:05] <ssi> IchGuckLive: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10568982_10100437891988452_2420134775619752362_n.jpg?oh=e3d94ce3a1dd59755cd736378f78f610&oe=544F0EC2&__gda__=1413441469_9865240ca53003752d30486b913ce159
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[17:25:43] <Loetmichel> ssi: hmm, in acrylic?
[17:25:50] <ssi> yes
[17:26:00] <ssi> also: https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10439508_10100437682458352_6553217273252495204_n.jpg?oh=aed3c57572229aea09b2981e94176812&oe=543D55D5&__gda__=1414156720_69b62fccd6b9730ae88859085e39c228
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[17:26:04] <ssi> 1/4" oak plywood
[17:26:05] <Loetmichel> i wondow hol long its last before the dreaded spider web emerges
[17:26:21] <Loetmichel> wonder
[17:26:32] <Loetmichel> i made the same in 1.5mm aluminium
[17:26:42] <IchGuckLive> nice you got ahad of all the problems
[17:26:42] <ssi> you have more power than me then :D
[17:26:47] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13143
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[17:27:15] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13107&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
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[17:27:30] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13116&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[17:27:31] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[17:27:40] <Loetmichel> no, mill, not laser
[17:27:43] <ssi> ah ok hehe
[17:27:50] <ssi> gonna say, 1.5mm aluminum takes many kw
[17:28:03] <ssi> panels look good tho
[17:28:20] <Loetmichel> the insides of the mill base not so much ;-)
[17:28:40] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13149 <- its a bit crammed inside there ;-)
[17:28:56] <K6MLE> Hi all ... Ich: this still needs some fine-tuning on the Z, but the boss has told me to halt my work on that project ... says he doesn't want to spend any more money (my time) on it ... :(
[17:29:16] <K6MLE> Hi all
[17:29:25] <IchGuckLive> up to him #
[17:29:41] <K6MLE> Yep ... he signs the checks!
[17:29:52] <IchGuckLive> i dont even think the mill can handel any tool or part force at all
[17:30:08] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: mine can
[17:30:16] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[17:30:21] <K6MLE> He will be gone for a few days next week, so I might sneak out there and work with it just a bit ...
[17:30:23] <Loetmichel> and its even slightly smaller than his
[17:30:28] <IchGuckLive> 1.5mm AL showes the prove
[17:30:41] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: your scale is
[17:31:21] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzOtqYhpHIM
[17:31:34] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNLjMg0Nitk
[17:32:04] <Loetmichel> ssi: whole mill with the cpu in the base: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNLjMg0Nitk
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[17:32:10] <Loetmichel> grr
[17:32:11] <Loetmichel> sorry
[17:32:29] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13131&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- there it is
[17:32:39] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: you know my home mill, dont you?
[17:32:46] <IchGuckLive> yes
[17:33:13] <IchGuckLive> is the homemade spindle still on
[17:33:18] <Loetmichel> right
[17:33:21] <ssi> Loetmichel: looks good
[17:33:27] <ssi> I need to get my mill done :/
[17:33:39] <Loetmichel> ssi: thats a mill i make for a co-worker
[17:33:40] <IchGuckLive> ssi: makew money with the laser
[17:33:47] <Loetmichel> ... never gets done it seems
[17:34:00] <ssi> IchGuckLive: I'd like to
[17:34:04] <ssi> but it needs to be bulletproof first
[17:34:07] <ssi> and I need exhaust badly heh
[17:34:12] <Loetmichel> i should kick my own butt and get it fricking done ;-)
[17:34:26] <IchGuckLive> go to all carpenters and wood man also the design people around you decorator
[17:34:39] <IchGuckLive> make a flier 5000 for less then 20USD
[17:34:45] <IchGuckLive> flyer
[17:34:57] <IchGuckLive> you will be a ritch man soon
[17:35:06] <ssi> make what, exactly?
[17:35:22] <IchGuckLive> kitchen engravings
[17:35:28] <IchGuckLive> home improvment
[17:35:54] <syyl_ws> and 3d printed crap! ;)
[17:36:03] <ssi> heh I don't sell 3d printed crap
[17:36:07] <IchGuckLive> fun for your home Style up your Woodfurniture
[17:36:11] <ssi> I am trying to get a short production run for the plasma tho
[17:36:20] <ssi> guy that's making gate latches of a patent design he came up with
[17:36:24] <ssi> I cut the prototypes for him
[17:36:29] <ssi> 3/16" steel, and they came out gorgeous
[17:36:31] <syyl_ws> that sounds more like it
[17:36:44] <syyl_ws> "steel"
[17:36:44] <syyl_ws> :D
[17:36:47] <ssi> plasma is running great these days
[17:37:02] <ssi> also I cut my Z accel down by a LOT and it seems to have taken care of the thc lost motion issue
[17:37:17] <IchGuckLive> ssi i can agree 100% makin now the 5th plasma for the shop
[17:37:30] <ssi> I need to try to more finely calibrate my motion on it
[17:37:34] <syyl_ws> there are days i want a plasma or oxyfuel cutting table too...
[17:37:35] <ssi> and maybe add a belt reduction back to X
[17:37:44] <ssi> and work on the squareness of the gantry
[17:37:56] <ssi> it's hard to measure without just cutting a big slab of steel
[17:37:56] <IchGuckLive> i only use worm on my plasmas
[17:38:06] <IchGuckLive> Rack and pinion
[17:38:13] <ssi> my Y is rack and pinion
[17:38:18] <ssi> X used to be but I changed it to belt
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[17:38:24] <IchGuckLive> the Z is a balscrew
[17:38:28] <ssi> Z is acme on mine
[17:38:36] <ssi> I don't care about super precision in Z
[17:38:42] <ssi> THC is gonna monkey with it anyway
[17:38:47] <IchGuckLive> THC got full control
[17:39:17] <IchGuckLive> only a inch of water so i limited the Z down in Hard way
[17:39:39] <IchGuckLive> only 100 mm Z move
[17:39:44] <IchGuckLive> 4 inches
[17:39:54] <ssi> mine's about 3.5"
[17:39:58] <ssi> and I have 4" of water
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[17:40:35] <IchGuckLive> on large table size water is a weight issue
[17:41:47] <IchGuckLive> 750KG on my size and depth is enoph to care about
[17:42:19] <IchGuckLive> its also 800 liters of sorige filtering and pumping so its a factor
[17:42:21] <ssi> mine's "only" 48"x58"
[17:42:23] <ssi> 48x48
[17:42:31] <ssi> travel... it's 54"x54" water table
[17:42:43] <ssi> holds about 35gal
[17:42:47] <ssi> I have a 55gal sump
[17:42:53] <ssi> and I don't filter it
[17:42:58] <ssi> probably should I guess heh
[17:43:22] <IchGuckLive> in the US water is free as Water return 2
[17:43:33] <IchGuckLive> or cheep
[17:43:44] <ssi> well I mix it with chemicals
[17:43:48] <IchGuckLive> her in germany you got to pay for frech and dirt water
[17:45:46] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: iss Red Zone weather Flashings at ypour living area still no water
[17:46:02] <Loetmichel> a bit water
[17:46:04] <Loetmichel> not much
[17:46:30] <IchGuckLive> http://www.unwetterzentrale.de/uwz/
[17:46:31] <Loetmichel> 'til now: no sea on the backyard
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[18:04:36] <ssi> :D
[18:07:37] <CaptHindsight> heh, I just broke five 1/8" bits drilling 10 holes in .030" stainless, it's one of those days
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[18:09:08] <jdh> someone wanted me to tap two 4-40 holes in 1/8" SS the other day. I ran out of taps.
[18:09:55] <ssi> hate tiny holes
[18:10:01] <ssi> at least in metal :P
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[18:10:11] <archivist> wimps :)
[18:10:30] <ssi> even 6061 aluminum will eat some taps if you're not careful
[18:10:30] <CaptHindsight> 1 bit for the first 6 holes, 3 bits on #7
[18:11:32] <CaptHindsight> 120 more holes to go
[18:12:16] <ssi> oh boy
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[18:13:21] <CaptHindsight> 5 x 12 = 60, going to more bits
[18:13:29] <jdh> would have been ok maybe if I had more than a hand drill and a c-clamp
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[18:30:38] <Jymmm> YEOW, live worm in eyeball https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQuHnPFNEl4
[18:31:00] <ssi> yeah no thanks
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[18:43:01] * Jymmm hides JT-Shop's garden hose(s).
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[18:44:58] <syyl_> is it a "break what you touch"-day, JT-Shop?
[18:45:23] <syyl_> in those cases i go to full stop and wait untill the day is over ;)
[18:46:56] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Yesh, the best thing to do is JUST WALK AWAY... put everything down, and just walk away for an hour or so. go for a walk, go for a drive, just get away from it all for a bit.
[18:47:21] <syyl_> and dont do one thing: try to fix it
[18:47:28] <syyl_> that made it in my case always worse
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[18:49:34] <Jymmm> ^DONT try to fix it that is =)
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[19:09:01] <DarkAlchemist> does anyone know what extra is good to add to a size of a hole so the screw, or bolt, will just slide in? .1mm enough for that?
[19:09:31] <Loetmichel> 0 is good
[19:09:39] <ssi> use a clearance table
[19:09:40] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: oh no it's not!
[19:09:45] <Loetmichel> screws are slightly undersize.
[19:09:49] <Loetmichel> at least metric
[19:10:00] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: a 0.500 rod will NOT fit in a 0.500 hole =)
[19:10:04] <ssi> http://www.physics.ncsu.edu/pearl/Tap_Drill_Chart.html
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[19:10:26] <Jymmm> DarkAlchemist: Try adding 15% and see if that works for you.
[19:10:27] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: an M5 screw will fit perfectly in a 5.00mm hole
[19:10:45] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: a 0.500 rod will NOT fit in a 0.500 hole, period.
[19:10:47] <Loetmichel> th thread
[19:10:52] <ssi> althouh those clearances look pretty generous :P
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[19:11:03] <DarkAlchemist> well, I was in the market for some drill bits and wondering what size to get so thanks everyone
[19:11:34] <DarkAlchemist> 10mm, and sometimes 12mm, is as big as I will ever go for the most part
[19:11:36] <Loetmichel> for a 5.00 mm smooth rod/bolt i would use 5.1mm
[19:11:39] <Loetmichel> hole
[19:12:00] <ssi> also drills tend to cut slightly oversize
[19:12:02] <DarkAlchemist> 3mm 3.1 bit?
[19:12:12] <Jymmm> iirc 1/4-20 bolts WILL fit in a 0.250" hole.
[19:12:26] <Jymmm> as the bolts isn't really 1/4"
[19:12:45] <Jymmm> that's just the nominal dimension
[19:13:04] <Jymmm> like 2x4's aen't 2x4, theyre 3.5x1.5
[19:13:24] <ssi> that's more because the lumber industry charges you for the unfinished dimensions :)
[19:13:50] <Jymmm> No, it's S4S, surfaced on four sides.
[19:14:08] <ssi> how exactly does that warrant "no"
[19:14:11] <ssi> you just like being contrary?
[19:14:16] <Jymmm> a rough cut 2x4 is 2"x4"
[19:14:28] <DarkAlchemist> funny because ancient times ago a 2x4 was really 2x4 but to conserve wood in one of the world wars we started shorting them. The reason in the old 1800's, or earlier, houses finding the exact size beams is a PITA and has to be reclaimed wood from other older homes or specially milled.
[19:15:12] <Jymmm> rough cut lumber is close to actual dimensions, it's SURFACED lumber that is not.
[19:15:30] <DarkAlchemist> right but rough cut is not what beams are made of
[19:15:30] <Jymmm> If you are making a cattle fence, you could care less for surfaced lumber
[19:15:32] <ssi> that's exactly what I said
[19:15:35] <Loetmichel> btw: thats what i said above: a m5 thread WILL fit in a 5.00 mm hole
[19:15:37] <ssi> they charge you for the rough dimensions
[19:15:47] <Loetmichel> because the m5 thread is only 4.9 or so
[19:16:09] <ssi> haha jymmm you're telling two people simultaneously that they're wrong while telling them exachtly what tehy said to begin with
[19:16:10] <Jymmm> ssi: that may have been what you meant, but that's not what you said.
[19:16:12] <ssi> congrats on that
[19:16:18] <DarkAlchemist> reason a 5.1 would give it very easy slide through but not so much as to create play
[19:16:29] <ssi> I said "the lumber industry charges you for the unfinished dimensions"
[19:16:32] <ssi> 2x4 is the unfinished dimension
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[19:16:53] <ssi> they charge you for a 2x4, and delivery you a finished, S4S 3.5x1.5" dimensioned piece
[19:16:54] <Jymmm> rough cut lumber is cheaper, they are charging you for surfacing it.
[19:17:06] <ssi> ugh never mind
[19:17:10] <Loetmichel> i think Jymmm needs a bit of "clue by 4" ;-)
[19:17:14] <ssi> Loetmichel: ^5
[19:17:24] <Deejay> re
[19:17:34] * Loetmichel hi5es ssi
[19:18:09] <Jymmm> ssi: souldn'y you be lasering or blowing shit up?
[19:18:22] <ssi> unfortunately I have to sit at a desk and pretend like I'm working today
[19:18:39] <DarkAlchemist> according to the chart a M3 wants a 3.4mm clearance hole? that is pretty freaking big.
[19:18:51] <ssi> DarkAlchemist: yeah that chart has really huge clearances for some reason
[19:18:56] <ssi> says 12mm for M10, which seems absurd :)
[19:19:10] <DarkAlchemist> 12mm for 10mm? OMG, lol
[19:19:32] <Loetmichel> ssi: i tend to do 3.5mm and even 4mm holes in the lids of meatal boxes i bend
[19:19:40] <Loetmichel> for m3 scews
[19:19:41] <Jymmm> and Loetmichel, go shield something!
[19:19:59] <Loetmichel> to avoid get stuck because of misalingments
[19:20:08] <ssi> Jymmm: don't you have a whole bunch of poker chips to engrave one at a time?
[19:20:20] <DarkAlchemist> for 10mm on my 3d printer I make them 10.6mm that accounts for shrinkage and polyholes and the 10mm slides right in.
[19:20:27] <ssi> Loetmichel: yeah I do the same thing... too close a hole tolerance will ruin your day :)
[19:20:34] <DarkAlchemist> 12mm for 10mm is just insane
[19:20:34] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: *SIT!*
[19:20:51] * kfoltman got his t-slot table today
[19:21:04] <Loetmichel> ssi: here for example: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15093
[19:21:09] <kfoltman> or, rather, t-slot shaped alu extrusion
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[19:21:31] <Loetmichel> ssi: that are a bunch of M3 screws
[19:21:34] <ssi> Loetmichel: those boxes look really good... I might have to try something similar if I ever get a router built
[19:21:37] <Loetmichel> ... and 4mm holes
[19:21:40] <Jymmm> ssi: Nope, all automatic, just press start now. Reload, press start, lather rinse repeat.
[19:21:48] <ssi> Jymmm: how did you end up fixturing them
[19:22:02] <DarkAlchemist> any of you have any recomendations for a cam program that is worth a damn and made for a desktop cnc mill?
[19:22:05] <Loetmichel> ssi:... especially after soldering the corners ;-)
[19:22:11] <ssi> Loetmichel: yeah!
[19:22:11] <kfoltman> rinse a lathe, repeat?
[19:22:29] <ssi> kfoltman: rinse your lathe in vactra!
[19:22:55] <DarkAlchemist> I am trialing camworks and it refuses to listen to me when I tell it what tools I have and ONLY those tools to use for afr.
[19:23:09] <Loetmichel> DarkAlchemist: i just have bought cambam
[19:23:23] <Loetmichel> ... have to learn how to use it now, though
[19:23:43] <DarkAlchemist> I was looking at that one on the net
[19:23:47] <Loetmichel> fo about 100 eur its very affordable
[19:23:48] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: it's not that bad
[19:24:12] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: it's just that the UI drives me nuts, because some operations are way inefficient in terms of user actions
[19:24:13] <Loetmichel> kfoltman: i am used to use coreldraw 8 and boCNC as cad/cam
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[19:24:31] <Loetmichel> its a huge change to go to turbocad/cambam ;)
[19:24:37] <ssi> I haven't solved the cam problem in general yet
[19:24:42] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Corel8?! Yeow that's old =(
[19:24:45] <ssi> mostly because I refuse to pay money for software that I have to run in a VM
[19:24:49] <DarkAlchemist> I am used to solidworks cad but these cam programs that I have trialed I used once and uninstalled them.
[19:24:59] <ssi> although I did pay for sheetcam, and I use it for plasma and laser
[19:24:59] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: for example, to set the material sheet size you need to expand a few places in the tree view where it just screams for a quick entry of all 3 dimensions at the same time
[19:25:02] <ssi> and I mostly hate it
[19:25:19] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: 12 sucks at PS, Fixed in 13, 14 is what I use.
[19:25:33] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i own 8
[19:25:39] <Loetmichel> and it works for my
[19:25:41] <Loetmichel> me
[19:25:50] <Loetmichel> so why switch?
[19:26:04] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: If you do any PS, you might want to upgrade.
[19:26:12] <ssi> PS?
[19:26:14] <Loetmichel> post script?
[19:26:20] <Loetmichel> i dont
[19:26:30] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: then no worries.
[19:26:40] <Loetmichel> and the versions 9-12 or so have a problem with hpgl output
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[19:27:01] <Loetmichel> the have a slight difference in size of x vs y
[19:27:16] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Yesh, it's the import/export engine (including PS), but fixed in 13 that I'm aware of.
[19:27:31] <Loetmichel> so 20mm circles arent circles but 29mm wide and 19.8mm long
[19:28:01] <Loetmichel> version 8 does that right ,-)
[19:28:22] <Loetmichel> 20mm wide, not 29
[19:29:25] <DarkAlchemist> where is a good place to buy metric bit kits from 1-10mm?
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[19:30:19] <PCW> are these bits for teeny tiny horses?
[19:30:36] <DarkAlchemist> yeah
[19:30:41] <DarkAlchemist> but actually unicorns
[19:30:46] <ssi> wat
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[19:31:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: should be 20mm, you tell me... http://codepad.org/l9kJQRwP
[19:33:05] <Loetmichel> *waiting for the xp vm to boot
[19:33:24] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: .plt btw
[19:33:39] <Loetmichel> i know, i can read that
[19:34:21] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: nfc, I don't do hpgl (ok, rarely)
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[19:34:26] <jdh> Cut2D does pretty much everything I need ($149)
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[19:35:19] <DarkAlchemist> I trialed cut3d and after 10 mins uninstalled it
[19:35:45] <jdh> not the same.
[19:36:21] <DarkAlchemist> well, for a lot of the stuff I work on 2.5d is not enough
[19:36:28] <jdh> and really, is 10 mins enough for a complicated system?
[19:36:36] <DarkAlchemist> it is for me
[19:36:56] <Loetmichel> jdh: looks about right
[19:36:57] <DarkAlchemist> either I like it right off, in compatison to the others I trialed, or I don't and i didn't it.
[19:36:59] <jdh> it's good to have a priori knowledge of all systems.
[19:37:00] <Loetmichel> ahem
[19:37:02] <Loetmichel> Jymmm
[19:37:27] <DarkAlchemist> not knocking it just saying I didn't care for it
[19:37:53] <jdh> right. because 10 minutes.
[19:38:04] <jdh> (I didn't care for it either)
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[19:39:24] <JT-Shop> band saw clean, fresh tank of band-aid and new blade
[19:39:46] <jdh> no band-aid for you after blade?
[19:39:52] * Jymmm returns JT-Shop's garden hoses.
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[19:44:20] <Loetmichel> jdh: it seems he is not as clumsy as me
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[19:44:52] <Loetmichel> latest mishap: slipped with the dremel cutting disk a bit...
[19:45:06] * JT-Shop even rescued 2 c-clamps placed on the band saw for a couple of days a year ago
[19:45:07] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15084 <- just a bit ;-)
[19:45:48] <jdh> no visible bone/tendons
[19:46:36] <Loetmichel> jdh: tendon WAS visible
[19:46:49] <Loetmichel> but already half closed on that pich
[19:46:51] <Loetmichel> pic
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[19:51:14] <Loetmichel> jdh: i heal very fast
[19:51:34] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15105 <- up to date pic, nearly closed now
[19:52:02] <Loetmichel> (the black dots is steel swarf ;-)
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[19:59:28] <Loetmichel> ups. wrong button...;-)
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[20:05:49] <Deejay> re
[20:08:20] <CaptHindsight> nearest industrial supply was only out of 1/8" bits, so it must a drill bit conspiracy
[20:09:11] <jdh> I have 20 or so HF 1/8" you could have.
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[20:10:56] <CaptHindsight> heh, even they were out of 1/8", had to settle for 3mm double ended versions
[20:11:17] <jdh> the one here has double ended 1/8
[20:11:52] <jdh> they come in 8 or 10 packs.
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[20:15:13] <CaptHindsight> 9/64" is the other size we tend to go through at 5x the rate of any other size
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[20:15:49] <CaptHindsight> probably pilot holes for 4mm taps
[20:16:18] <syyl_> 9/64 is a bit big for a m4 thread
[20:16:40] <syyl_> 3,3mm is the regular drill dia
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[20:25:35] <ssi> CaptHindsight: #30
[20:26:14] <CaptHindsight> might just be for 9/64" holes :p
[20:28:36] <CaptHindsight> yeah, M4 x 0.35 thread = 3.60mm tap
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[20:34:52] <syyl_> what? :D
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[20:36:22] <PetefromTn_> whats goin on folks?
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[20:38:05] <ssi> nada
[20:38:11] <ssi> regular work :'(
[20:39:11] <PetefromTn_> I just finished mowing and weed eating and spraying weed killer and running the leaf blower and pulling weeds and just basically killing myself to make my yard look as much like a Golf Course as possible :D
[20:40:03] <PetefromTn_> and my damn weed eater died on me after about a half hour or so. Now it won't start for nothing and I am about to toss it into the street in front of a dump truck.
[20:40:05] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_, is the house on the market?
[20:40:12] <PetefromTn_> sure as hell is LOL
[20:40:32] <PetefromTn_> well come to think of it actually technically it is not.
[20:41:02] <ssi> I hate yardwork with a passion
[20:41:03] <PetefromTn_> I have it on craigslist and another site but I am listing it with a local realtor here soon. Actually just called him today.
[20:41:10] <ssi> I had to do panic yardwork yesterday
[20:41:12] <PetefromTn_> Oh me too man. PASSION
[20:41:23] <ssi> I got this horrible premonition that code enforcement was gonna come through and screw me
[20:41:29] <ssi> and i actually left work early to go do it
[20:41:37] <ssi> and I had to rebuild the carb on the mower to get it to start
[20:41:39] <ssi> what a miserable day
[20:42:07] <PetefromTn_> I would rather run over my nutz with a mower than mow the lawn but hey its gotta get done and I have not found anyone PRO who does a job worth a damn that I am willing to pay for.
[20:42:55] <PetefromTn_> They never seem to spray for weeds and when they do weed eat it is like they are in a race to finish so they can go get some donuts or something.
[20:43:14] <PetefromTn_> I do not have a big house or yard but doing it right still took me almost four hours today.
[20:44:14] <PetefromTn_> What really pisses me off is our neighborhood has those tall Concrete curbs all along the road and I think I am one of two or three guys who actually try to keep the weeds from growing under and thru them into the street.
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[20:45:01] <PetefromTn_> that drives me crazy man. They will mow and weed eat their whole yard, put bushes and plants and flowers everywhere but when you look at the house from the street it looks like it has a beard all along the edge of the curb.
[20:45:10] <ssi> I don't even care about doing it right
[20:45:17] <ssi> I haven't been able to find someone who will do it CONSISTENTLY
[20:45:34] <ssi> there's a neighbor that usually cuts my lawn and the next door neighbor's lawn, and we pay him
[20:45:51] <ssi> well this weekend i dunno if he came thruogh and cut just my next door neighbor's lawn, or if the next door neighbor did it himself
[20:45:54] <ssi> but his was done and mine wasn't
[20:46:04] <ssi> I got home sunday night at 11pm to see that, and I paniced
[20:46:08] <PetefromTn_> Honestly they get like $40.00 a mow around here and they still cannot be bothered to do a decent job even when with their super high performance 100MPH mower the main part is done in like ten minutes.
[20:46:15] <ssi> cause he hasn't cut it in like five weeks
[20:46:23] <ssi> and after that, I was the only one on the block
[20:46:42] <ssi> but since I haven't cut my own grass yet this year, my mower was dorked up
[20:46:51] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man if I did not cut my lawn for five weeks I would need a bush hog to do my back yard.
[20:46:58] <ssi> yeah it was pretty bad
[20:47:03] <ssi> plus he did a SHIT job last time
[20:47:23] <ssi> the trash man had left my can in the grass, and he didn't move it
[20:47:30] <ssi> so I had like 7' grass where the can was
[20:47:33] <ssi> heh
[20:47:57] <PetefromTn_> I have a decent self propelled walk behind mower but I need to get me a decent rider for the back it just is so thick after even a week.
[20:47:58] <ssi> also what cruel world do we live in when the grass grows a foot a day only when its 100F and 100% humidity
[20:48:14] <PetefromTn_> exactly right.. I hate that shit.
[20:48:26] <PetefromTn_> makes me want to rip it all up and pour concrete LOL
[20:48:45] <ssi> yep
[20:49:02] <ssi> I thought about sitting in the air conditioning and firing mah lazor out the window at the grass
[20:49:06] <ssi> blade by blade
[20:49:13] <PetefromTn_> My next door neighbor is a freakin' botanist or something. His yard looks like a botanical garden.
[20:49:28] <ssi> mine looks like an unspoiled jungle :D
[20:50:02] <PetefromTn_> Even when I do a masterful job mowing and weed eating I think his yard looks better than mine and I am not a green thumb kinda guy.
[20:50:15] <PetefromTn_> He did show me how to spray the weed killer and damn if it does not work.
[20:50:40] <PetefromTn_> I have been using his suggestions and I do not have much weed eating to do nowadays which I should bake him a cake for.
[20:51:08] <ssi> :)
[20:51:28] <PetefromTn_> In fact this stuff he showed me to use and more importantly how to use it will basically erase the grass and weeds wherever you spray it. It is like green kryptonite.
[20:51:41] <ssi> I could use some of that
[20:52:06] <PetefromTn_> It is just some cheapass walmart stuff but damn if it does not work.
[20:52:56] <PetefromTn_> You put two capfuls in a pump up cheapass spray bottle with water and shake it up and spray it. Basically wherever you spray that shit WILL be brown ground in a week or two.
[20:53:33] <PetefromTn_> If you spray enough of it around the edges of your house and driveway you ALMOST never need to use the weed eater anymore.
[20:54:40] <PetefromTn_> watching all your antics with the CNC laser thingamabob you built has me jonesin' for a CNC router table build man. Way to go. You really are an enabler ya know it!
[20:54:48] <ssi> yeah :
[20:54:51] <ssi> I try
[20:55:13] <ssi> although you still have the one toy I want more than anything :(
[20:55:37] <PetefromTn_> I justify it by telling my wife I can build the awesome speaker cabinets easier I have been looking into if I build the CNC router first LOL.
[20:55:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right.
[20:55:59] <PetefromTn_> I tell ya if this house sells I may want to liquidate that bitch ya never know.
[20:56:16] <PetefromTn_> It will all depend on the house we find in Florida.
[20:56:40] <ssi> if I can get it in my house I'll take it ;)
[20:56:47] <PetefromTn_> If it has a huge garage like this one with a high ceiling then I will probably keep it. But if we cannot find a suitable house with a shop then the toys will have to go.
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[20:57:28] <ssi> how much ceiling clearance does it need
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[20:58:02] <PetefromTn_> LOL speak of the debil. I just missed a call from the realtor guy hehehe
[20:58:22] <PetefromTn_> Honestly the shop right now has a 9' plus ceiling but it does not need to be near that high.
[20:58:49] <PetefromTn_> The biggest issue is the doorway. getting it inside is the problem. It has this large tall steel cabinet that houses all the electronics.
[20:59:04] <PetefromTn_> It actually is the tallest piece of the machine by maybe a foot and a half or so.
[20:59:28] <PetefromTn_> The head will go down much below that and you just unbolt the cable chain and lay it on its side.
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[20:59:37] <PetefromTn_> But the electronics cabinet is the beotch.
[20:59:51] <ssi> how tall is the cabinet?
[20:59:59] <ssi> I think I have 7' under the garage door
[21:00:01] <PetefromTn_> I had considered cutting the top off of it and tig welding it back on at the level of the rest of the enclosure..
[21:00:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too.
[21:00:22] <ssi> can the cabinet be laid on its side?
[21:00:29] <ssi> or is it attached to the enclosure
[21:00:29] <PetefromTn_> It does not fit under the garage door which is why I had to remove the front face of the shop above the door.
[21:00:36] <ssi> eesh
[21:00:52] <ssi> probably had to take the door out too then huh
[21:00:59] <PetefromTn_> It is just bolted to the enclosure but you would have to disconnect quite a few wires and reattach them once it is inside.
[21:01:35] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah man removed the garage door and then cut the material above the garage door out up to the header.
[21:01:38] <ssi> I think I probably have 9' ceiling in the garage too, but there are some lower obstructions
[21:01:56] <PetefromTn_> Again this could all be avoided if the damn cabinet was either removed or cut down.
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[21:02:44] <ssi> and yours is an arrow 500?
[21:02:47] <PetefromTn_> If I had a plasma cutter I would just cover up everything inside the cabinet which is well below the cut line with a sheet of steel and then just mark a line and cut it and then tig weld it back together.
[21:02:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah arrow 500..
[21:02:57] <ssi> I could do that :P
[21:03:13] <PetefromTn_> It honestly would not be all that difficult.
[21:03:37] <ssi> but the other problem is my forklift won't lift that beast :(
[21:03:57] <PetefromTn_> If you do not plan to ever move it for a very long time you could also just disconnet and mark everything and unbolt the cabinet and move it inside.
[21:04:03] <PetefromTn_> I did not even use a forklift.
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[21:04:33] <ssi> yeah it just sucks to have a forklift and have one machine that's too heavy :)
[21:04:47] <PetefromTn_> I moved it over here with a tilt bed wrecker and then he jockeyed the bed to lay it right inside the door. Then I jacked it up with a porta power and stuck machine skates underneath it.
[21:04:49] <ssi> but I've never seen a vmc under 7500lb
[21:05:06] <ssi> that's fine if you've already cut the face off the house!
[21:05:07] <PetefromTn_> Push it around like a big wheel barrow.
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[21:05:33] <PetefromTn_> honestly it is MUCH safer to NOT use a forklift unless you need to put it on a high truck or something.
[21:05:52] <PetefromTn_> If it falls off the skates it only falls a couple inches.
[21:06:16] <ssi> it'd have to be only a couple inches on a forklift too, or else it wouldn't go through the door
[21:06:29] <PetefromTn_> we just went slow and used cribbage and that porta power and were real careful.
[21:06:32] <PetefromTn_> exactly.
[21:06:44] <PetefromTn_> it weighs 7k lbs.
[21:06:44] <ssi> I just need a proper shop :(
[21:06:53] <PetefromTn_> you and me both bro.
[21:07:16] <PetefromTn_> with all the damn machines you have you are well on your way ;)
[21:07:44] <ssi> all but the space
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[21:09:17] <ssi> PetefromTn_: did you get rid of your rf45?
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[21:09:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah awhile ago
[21:09:44] <PetefromTn_> that is how I was able to buy this beast.
[21:09:59] <PetefromTn_> I sold the RF45 and all that TTS tooling and my cheapass chinese vise etc etc.
[21:13:24] <ssi> gotcha
[21:13:31] <ssi> I'm thinking about getting back on the 704
[21:14:06] <PetefromTn_> cool
[21:16:45] <ssi> I got all those parker servos and drives
[21:16:56] <ssi> I already had servos fitted to it, but now I'm considering redoing it
[21:17:33] <PetefromTn_> why?
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[21:18:48] <ssi> cause these parker servos are bueno
[21:18:55] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv0eibJ4s2M
[21:19:00] <PetefromTn_> That is interesting.
[21:19:22] <PetefromTn_> CNC router/plasma/3d printer LOL... Looks like he does some serious work on that damn thing.
[21:19:44] <PetefromTn_> Good servos are worth the trip.
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[21:22:00] <ssi> PetefromTn_: his cuts look terrible :P
[21:23:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah well apparently that was the first test cuts..
[21:23:24] <PetefromTn_> I did not think they looked too bad really.
[21:25:57] <PetefromTn_> freakin' guy is building a 75 foot steel ship in his back yard as well as a DIY deep submergence ROV complete with cameras FLIR etc etc..
[21:26:33] <SpeedEvil> FLIR in a ROV may be less useful than he hopes :)
[21:26:39] <ssi> lol yeah
[21:27:20] <SpeedEvil> I wish FLIR was cheaper
[21:27:23] <SpeedEvil> Well - IR cameras
[21:27:30] <PetefromTn_> dunno but that is what he is building.
[21:27:43] <SpeedEvil> Water is totally opaque to long-wave IR
[21:28:29] <PetefromTn_> maybe someone should tell him that LOL.
[21:28:49] <SpeedEvil> Maybe he just means IR
[21:29:10] <SpeedEvil> - but as I understand it - almost nothing under the sea can see red light
[21:29:13] <CaptHindsight> heh, 40+ holes now in SS on the same bit, probably best not to drill by hand too early in the day
[21:29:15] <SpeedEvil> So that'd work too
[21:29:26] <PetefromTn_> gotta give him props tho how many folks do you know even considered building an ROV LOL
[21:29:34] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: Sure.
[21:29:45] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: Well, I have plans for a 4 stage orbital launcher.
[21:29:58] <PetefromTn_> you gonna ride in it?
[21:30:09] <CaptHindsight> ssi: did you get the cables sorted out?
[21:30:22] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: alas, plans only. And it's designed for ~1kg launch
[21:30:39] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I got the connectors in the mail; no backshells for them, and I think these cables will need them
[21:30:44] <ssi> I'll order some once I get it underway
[21:31:11] <PetefromTn_> Well I gotta get some work done here now that the yard is finished. talk later guys.
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[21:31:36] <CaptHindsight> used good matched cables are worth it, but they always seem to be missing
[21:33:13] <CaptHindsight> there was a recycling co near me that had untrained people go into closed automation plants and rip out gear until they discovered what 2-3 year old cables and automation was worth
[21:33:39] <CaptHindsight> they were snipping all the cables to get the parts stripped out
[21:34:31] <CaptHindsight> why undo the screws on a connector since the wire cutter was quicker :)
[21:35:14] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:57:41] <ssi> CaptHindsight: jeez
[22:00:03] <DaViruz> SpeedEvil: they are kinda cheap nowadays. you can get a flir E4 or $1000 and software hack it to a flir E8
[22:00:33] <SpeedEvil> DaViruz: I would not personally call $1000 cheap
[22:00:35] <DaViruz> just a few years back you couldn't really get even a crappy camera for $1000
[22:00:52] <SpeedEvil> Sure
[22:01:13] <SpeedEvil> Low fixed income sucks
[22:01:40] <DaViruz> the flir oen then when it comes out, $350
[22:01:44] <DaViruz> but it needs an iphone
[22:01:59] <DaViruz> but it has quite good specs
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[22:10:12] <SpeedEvil> Isn't it 16*4?
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[22:32:40] <DaViruz> 16*4 pixels?
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[22:34:11] <SpeedEvil> Yes
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[22:47:37] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOtG5DruMQA&list=UUy-Z-COl0WvPmSLXMOvtedg
[22:47:43] <zeeshan> wedged like 25 discs
[22:47:49] <zeeshan> today and turned em using friction method
[22:47:51] <zeeshan> worked out great
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[23:11:01] <cradek> setting up touchy on my little sherline lathe, I'm pondering how the wheel will be backward when moving X (clockwise on a lathe always makes the tool go in, but clockwise on a jogwheel always means +X)
[23:11:19] <cradek> I think it's going to be terrible unless I reverse it for X
[23:11:37] <cradek> how do commercial lathes handle this? or do they always have the tool on the back for that (and other) reasons?
[23:11:56] <ssi> cradek: I'd be inclined to make it behave like the controls on a manual lathe above all else
[23:12:10] <cradek> yeah I agree that seems like the least evil
[23:13:54] <ssi> do you treat your lathe as though the spindle centerline is machine 0, and backing the tool away from centerline is positive X?
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[23:14:07] <cradek> yes that's how cnc lathes always work
[23:14:13] <ssi> ok
[23:14:23] <cradek> except often the tool is upside-down, on the back/top
[23:14:35] <cradek> then it's less weird
[23:14:54] <cradek> that makes arcs feel the right way around, too
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[23:15:56] <zeeshan> anyone know much about dvr survilleance systems?
[23:16:16] <cradek> bbl
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