#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-07-03

[00:00:08] <zeeshan|2> does its tool length offsets automatically load up?
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[00:05:57] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: For process control eschew G-code
[00:06:41] <andypugh> Limit3 is an (almost) complete moton controller, and can take target points from any source.
[00:06:59] <zeeshan|2> help me!! :P
[00:07:13] <zeeshan|2> my cam outputs code that accounts for the tip radius
[00:07:32] <zeeshan|2> so i dont think i need cutter compensation
[00:07:44] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: No, without a G43 the tool length offset is not considered
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[00:08:29] <zeeshan|2> so i need to do T01 M6
[00:08:31] <zeeshan|2> then
[00:08:37] <zeeshan|2> G43 H01
[00:08:37] <zeeshan|2> ?
[00:08:57] <andypugh> You can skip the H if H matches T
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[00:09:17] <zeeshan|2> okay cause cam is outputting
[00:09:23] <zeeshan|2> T01 H01 M06
[00:09:35] <zeeshan|2> can i do T01 G43 H01 M06
[00:09:43] <zeeshan|2> or g43 needs to be by itself
[00:11:01] <andypugh> Hmm, it rather depends on your setup, but by default I think that a H in a T M06 line is just wrong.
[00:13:20] <andypugh> But, if the CAM is already doing the compensation, you don’t want the G43
[00:13:43] <zeeshan|2> cam is doing the compensation for the nose radius
[00:13:53] <zeeshan|2> not the length difference in tools
[00:14:05] <andypugh> Hmm.
[00:14:11] <zeeshan|2> basically, i need to zero out both tools
[00:14:20] <zeeshan|2> and save those values in a register
[00:14:32] <andypugh> OK, then as long as there is no G42, you do want the G43
[00:14:33] <zeeshan|2> and adjust them by those values when the tool is called up
[00:14:38] <zeeshan|2> yes there no g42
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[00:17:59] <zeeshan|2> okay sweet
[00:18:09] <zeeshan|2> its outputting T01 m6 , then next line g43 h01
[00:18:45] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: if it was just process control, but it's programmed motion paths with feedback from sensors
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[00:19:21] <andypugh> Then you need to consider the exact situation.
[00:19:48] <andypugh> Sometimes that could be a HAL-only + GIU, sometimes you need the coordinated axis thing.
[00:20:09] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: it's shades of grey in between, it's not just one situation, it's many types of machines
[00:20:56] <CaptHindsight> trying to keep it as simple as possible with a standard a user interface as possible
[00:20:59] <zeeshan|2> just need to figure out how to N0030 G49 N0040 T01 M06 N0050 G43 H01
[00:21:00] <zeeshan|2> er
[00:21:06] <andypugh> (You can do coordinated moves without G-code in a custom GUI, I part-completed a dedicated laser raster confing. JPG goes in, laser scannng comes out, no G-code anywhere)
[00:21:13] <zeeshan|2> N0030 G49 N0040 T01 M06 N0050 G43 H01N0030 G49 N0040 T01 M06 N0050 G43 H01N0030 G49
[00:21:13] <zeeshan|2> N0040 T01 M06
[00:21:13] <zeeshan|2> N0050 G43 H01
[00:21:24] <zeeshan|2> ..
[00:21:25] <zeeshan|2> whoops!
[00:21:35] <zeeshan|2> so basically im doing a g49 before any tool change, just to be safe
[00:21:40] <andypugh> But as I don’t own a laser, I proved it could work, and lost interesrt :-)
[00:21:45] <zeeshan|2> dont want a random tool offset kicking in
[00:21:48] <CaptHindsight> yes, it will evolve over time into something :)
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[00:22:35] <CaptHindsight> like general purpose robots
[00:23:53] <CaptHindsight> you get some basic control software with a pendant
[00:24:53] <zeeshan|2> sweet
[00:24:54] <zeeshan|2> no more erro
[00:24:56] <zeeshan|2> IT LOADED
[00:28:00] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: Step 2: Does it fill the local volume with expensive carbide tooling.
[00:28:09] <andypugh> Step 3: Make Profit
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[00:29:48] <andypugh> Doomed attempt to make profit: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111398572413 There are literally several owners round the world :-)
[00:31:20] <andypugh> Actually: zultron ! I haz parts for your bike: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111398572413
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[00:35:24] <andypugh> (yes, in a bizarre coincidence, two of the literally several owners also do LinuxCNC)
[00:35:52] <jdh> is that really a concidence?
[00:37:15] <andypugh> I am not sure. It’s like last weekend when, 200 miles from work, the only two cars in the car spares car park in Huddersfield were test cars, from work.
[00:38:25] <andypugh> Now, had it been a flower shop it would have been amazing. But even as it was, given that we were both there 15 minutes, it’s a bit wierd.
[00:39:58] <andypugh> I would guess that every weekend 50 cars leave the site. They go all over the UK, but are biased towards long journeys.
[00:41:10] <andypugh> So, the probability distribution is non-normal, and hard to guess, and willl be locally perturbed by attactors
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[00:44:26] <Jymmm> If syyl comes around, tell him the non-hazardous cutting/tapping fluid is tapmatic aquacut
[00:44:35] <Jymmm> cinnamon scented =)
[00:46:25] <Jymmm> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/2360-01216-lps-aquacut-cutting-metalworking-fluids-coolants.html
[00:46:43] <jdh> my 6040 box showed up... but it was only box 2 of 2
[00:47:18] <Jymmm> Enco has free shipping on >$200 order... code: FREEUPS
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[00:47:42] <Jymmm> Oh man, fre shipping limited to 125lbs... bstards
[00:48:08] <Jymmm> jdh: not the main box either I suppose?
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[00:48:50] <jdh> haven't opened it yet (no room) but I would guess it is just the electronics and spindle
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[00:49:14] <Jymmm> jdh: and where is the wife presently?
[00:49:48] <jdh> she didn't say a word
[00:49:54] <Jymmm> Uh oh
[00:50:45] <jdh> I got a biggish box from onlinemetals.com yesterday and mentioned I would be getting a bigger one today.
[00:50:59] <Jymmm> jdh: What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?
[00:51:01] <jdh> so she probably assumes it is just more metal. which it is. kind of.
[00:51:13] <jdh> happy
[00:51:21] <Jymmm> lol
[00:51:24] <jdh> <= married well
[00:51:36] <Jymmm> =)
[00:52:14] <jdh> I shall go make room to open it.
[00:52:20] <Jymmm> Well, quick shred the box into a fine powder and sprinkle on top! before that "well" becomes "well done"
[00:54:46] <zeeshan|2> what do you guys use for a reference tool
[00:55:00] <zeeshan|2> just a regular roughing tool? :p
[00:55:08] <Jymmm> jdh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=D3jxdGZshpo#t=57
[00:55:47] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: help! :P
[00:55:48] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: electron microscope?
[00:56:10] <zeeshan|2> ps. andypugh i enjoyed your spindle vfd indexing videos :P
[00:56:16] <zeeshan|2> Jymmm: lol
[01:02:39] <andypugh> My reference tool is my turning/facing tool.
[01:04:01] <andypugh> but, to be honest. half the time I have messed it up and I am tweaking the tool offsets to make the part I want (with a different tool)
[01:15:53] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[01:15:58] <zeeshan|2> i'm confused on what the heck im doing
[01:16:28] <zeeshan|2> so i touched off and set g54
[01:16:45] <zeeshan|2> after that i did "T02 M06" in the mdi
[01:17:01] <zeeshan|2> and tried to touch off the second tool and hit "T Tool touch off"
[01:17:18] <zeeshan|2> and everytime i do that, it overwrites my values in the tool table and puts in stuff about end mills??
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[01:23:46] <zeeshan|2> ah i gotta specify a g43.
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[01:30:24] <andypugh> It’s a bit confusing as you can choose to work in a number of ways, all variously valid
[01:33:46] <jdh> Jymmm: I understood the reference. I just prefer to think of the more pleasant versions of being screwed.
[01:34:33] <jdh> This box had the spindle, electronics, steppers, pump, gantry and silverware
[01:40:56] <ssi> JT-Shop: I'm interested to see what you come up with on the THC fixes
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[01:43:32] <Jymmm> jdh: that's always implied
[01:45:20] <jdh> wonder if DHL will deliver on the 4th. Or on Saturday
[01:46:07] <Jymmm> jdh: did you pat for Saturday/holiday deivery?
[01:46:13] <Jymmm> pay*
[01:46:21] <jdh> got me.
[01:46:26] <jdh> $372 shipping.
[01:46:41] <Jymmm> no clue, haven't used dhl in decades
[01:46:43] <jdh> seems like they should have shipped both packages at the same time.
[01:47:34] <andypugh> What day are you out? They will choose that day.
[01:47:47] <Jymmm> andypugh++
[01:48:12] <jdh> 4th is a holiday
[01:48:33] <Jymmm> jdh: tomorrow or monday
[01:49:17] <Jymmm> if the label says "box 2 of 2", might recheck the traacking number
[01:49:31] <andypugh> I recently ordered something from eBay. Just too late I realised they were two miles away. 7 days later I got to pick the stuff up from a parcel depot 20 miles away…
[01:49:55] <RyanS> are metric fine threads going to provide the same seal as BSP parrallel? Or is there some other reason
[01:49:56] <Jymmm> ouch
[01:50:47] <andypugh> RyanS: I think they will seal equally badly.
[01:51:20] <andypugh> If you want a seal normally one thread is tapered
[01:51:45] <RyanS> yeah, so I don't get the point of BSPP, requires an o-ring
[01:52:29] <andypugh> With an O-ring it really doesn’t matter
[01:53:31] <RyanS> Apparently, ISO standard is the female is always parallel and, at the mail is tapered, but I can't imagine why
[01:53:43] <RyanS> male*
[01:53:52] <andypugh> BSP has rounded crest and root, metric and ANSI have rounded root and flat crest. So with sealant BSP will seal better, there is no round-flat spiral leak path
[01:55:07] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Pipe
[01:56:29] <RyanS> ah, so BSPT is ideal, but BSPP is beter with teflon tape than metric
[01:57:45] <andypugh> I think so.
[01:59:04] <andypugh> Nighty-night all
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[02:00:25] <jdh> Please don.t worry. Another box is on the way to America.
[02:00:26] <jdh> Sometimes there is no enough space on one plane, so the second box will be placed to another plane
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[02:09:56] <Jymmm> or sometimes we need more time so we send you the first box, and wait till we can for the second box!
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[02:18:28] <ssi> jdh: they're really earning their $372, eh
[02:20:32] <jdh> no complaints about the first box. 5 days earlier than they said it would be.
[02:20:58] <Jymmm> thats nice
[02:21:11] <Jymmm> (not sarcasim)
[02:22:23] <jdh> packed well also
[02:22:43] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/l5uuv8l
[02:22:47] <Jymmm> I hope you are taking pics of it all
[02:22:49] <jdh> ballnut bearing mounts are iffy
[02:22:50] <Jymmm> lol
[02:23:37] <LeelooMinai> jdh: Instead of blocks? Why?
[02:23:54] <jdh> everything looks decently wired (very surprising) They did not run a ground wire from the VFD to the spindle.
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[02:24:00] * Jymmm dont do short urls
[02:24:21] <jdh> Leeloo: it looks like they excel at removing costs
[02:24:47] <LeelooMinai> jdh: But why are they "iffy"? No adjustments?
[02:24:54] <jdh> see the above URL
[02:25:14] <LeelooMinai> I saw that - I am just asking.
[02:25:17] <jdh> s/iffy/half-assed/
[02:25:44] <jdh> the Z one has on fixed portion
[02:25:46] <LeelooMinai> Well, I can see those two screws holding hte bearing - that's lame...
[02:26:05] <jdh> there is nothing holding the screw to the bearing. No preload
[02:26:24] <Jymmm> maybe it's floating
[02:26:26] <jdh> the X is in tension so it isn't supported that well, it doesn't look like it will matter.
[02:26:40] <jdh> it is... both ends are floating afaict
[02:26:58] <LeelooMinai> I mean the bearing is being hold by two screws that overlap it on the adge and are not flashed - that's kind not very elegant
[02:27:02] <Jymmm> BOTH ends floating is weird
[02:27:21] <jdh> it is not so elegant, but for the bearing, that's really all that is needed.
[02:27:32] <Jymmm> is there play in the leadscrew?
[02:27:39] <Jymmm> left to right?
[02:27:42] <jdh> it is the lack of screw/bearing fixation that is the problem.
[02:27:47] <jdh> doesn't seem to be any.
[02:28:02] <Jymmm> backlash?
[02:28:11] <Jymmm> when turning leadscrew?
[02:28:40] <jdh> the gantry looks fairly rigid. 15mm aluminum frame.
[02:28:58] <LeelooMinai> lol, what is the dinnerware - a bonus gift? :)
[02:29:01] <jdh> I just twisted it by hand. Didn't notice any but I doubt you would
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[02:29:11] <jdh> yeah. kinda weird.
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[02:44:35] <ssi> hah
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[02:50:12] <ssi> ok, machinekit image, here we go
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[03:05:59] <zeeshan|2> looks like tool offsets worked..
[03:06:02] <zeeshan|2> somewhat..
[03:08:38] <zeeshan|2> or not
[03:08:51] <zeeshan|2> part measures 1.202 diameter
[03:08:59] <zeeshan|2> and i was commanding 1.140
[03:09:01] <zeeshan|2> wtf!
[03:11:04] <zeeshan|2> interesting
[03:11:07] <zeeshan|2> the g-code demands 1.202
[03:11:21] <zeeshan|2> but the model is 1.140 ..
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[03:55:34] <XXCoder> finally
[03:55:41] <XXCoder> got a new car. only its not a car :P
[03:59:09] <ssi> is it a boat?
[03:59:19] <XXCoder> was playing with words lol
[03:59:22] <XXCoder> its a van
[03:59:31] <XXCoder> I dont need all that space but whatever
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[04:09:34] <Jymmm> mini van? hippy van? cargo van? stalker van?
[04:11:29] <XXCoder> no window van
[04:11:36] <XXCoder> its actually TARDIS in form of van
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[04:14:31] <CaptHindsight> well it did ship with complementary chopsticks
[04:15:09] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Tardis? http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4000000/tardis-exterior-tardis-4029155-1280-1024.jpg
[04:15:23] <Jymmm> XXCoder: btw... no windows = stalker van!
[04:15:47] <XXCoder> no, accient prone van
[04:15:55] <XXCoder> 3 windows is stalker van
[04:16:46] <Jymmm> NOW we know why there is 'XX' in your nick, soon to be 'XXXX'
[04:17:02] <CaptHindsight> jdh: are those nuts are on the insides of the bearings?
[04:19:02] <CaptHindsight> it looks like they preload the bearings against each other (opposite ends of the ballscrew)
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[04:20:39] <CaptHindsight> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-EBUv_F21Mig/U7Sye4smBDI/AAAAAAAAGFU/tqGwXVLlbq0/w415-h738-no/20140702_210439.jpg what holds the bearings in
[04:21:45] <CaptHindsight> and they look like glorified skate bearings vs angular contact
[04:22:14] <CaptHindsight> nothing like the pics on their website
[04:27:19] <XXCoder> lol jy
[04:30:22] <zeeshan|2> man
[04:30:30] <zeeshan|2> im so confused as to what the fk is going on here with this cam shit
[04:30:42] <CaptHindsight> maybe we need a new website with reviews of these pieces of krap and call them on their shenanigans
[04:30:58] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: May I suggest tequilia?
[04:31:04] <zeeshan|2> no
[04:31:05] <zeeshan|2> :{
[04:31:14] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Whiskey?
[04:31:24] <zeeshan|2> no
[04:31:42] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: Moonshine? Prozac? Norco? Thorozine?
[04:31:49] <zeeshan|2> i dont drink!
[04:31:50] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/vR4mAvC.png
[04:32:02] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: why all the sophomoric trolling lately?
[04:32:11] <zeeshan|2> in that pic, you can clearly see that the tool path isn't touching the surface..
[04:32:24] <zeeshan|2> oh
[04:32:27] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: what wrong?
[04:32:28] <zeeshan|2> i think i know why
[04:32:39] <zeeshan|2> limited in depth by the nose radius
[04:33:14] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: It was a joke to ease zeeshan|2's frustration
[04:33:25] <zeeshan|2> grrr Jymmm :D
[04:33:32] <zeeshan|2> it did help me see the problem from another angle
[04:33:52] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: passed out on the floor?
[04:33:59] <Jymmm> That IS "another angle" btw
[04:34:46] <zeeshan|2> haha
[04:35:19] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: What's the issue? I see the blue looks like Z lowering, then the LtBlue cutting
[04:35:46] <Jymmm> not sure what the yel elbow is
[04:35:59] <XXCoder> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10454404_10152266733078253_8530684011645178629_o.jpg
[04:36:29] <Jymmm> XXCoder: goin for the soccer mom thing huh?
[04:36:45] <Jymmm> moonroof too =)
[04:36:56] <Jymmm> looks clean
[04:36:57] <XXCoder> nah it's only car TARDIS has designs for
[04:37:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.rolanddga.com/products/milling/dwx50/ look at this turd for $30K
[04:37:34] <XXCoder> in least it dont have gold bling on wheels etc like my bro's old nissan quest lol
[04:38:03] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Roland has ALWAYS been overpriced
[04:38:18] <Jymmm> XXCoder: how many miles? how much?
[04:38:22] <XXCoder> billions
[04:38:26] <XXCoder> TARDIS after akllk
[04:38:27] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: usa and dental
[04:38:31] <XXCoder> heh
[04:38:43] <XXCoder> way too many actually at 178k but it was pretty cheap
[04:38:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: its got a tool changer too =)
[04:38:57] <Jymmm> XXCoder: how cheap?
[04:39:02] <XXCoder> 1550
[04:39:02] <Jymmm> and what year?
[04:39:06] <XXCoder> 1996
[04:39:08] <CaptHindsight> and 7ft vs 6ft power cord I imagine
[04:39:15] <Jymmm> XXCoder: $1550 USD?
[04:39:18] <XXCoder> you figure which is which ;)
[04:39:21] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:39:41] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Not bad at all. Hows it run?
[04:39:45] <XXCoder> smooth
[04:39:51] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Very nice!
[04:40:01] <XXCoder> yeah surpising.
[04:40:10] <Jymmm> private party?
[04:40:24] <XXCoder> other options was one car that was olviously on fire
[04:40:29] <XXCoder> *was
[04:40:43] <XXCoder> bad paint but engine completely rebuilt
[04:40:51] <Jymmm> XXCoder: dealer?
[04:41:11] <XXCoder> other didnt look very good. yeah guys car shop/car seller
[04:41:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder: ah ok
[04:41:24] <XXCoder> guy wanted 1700
[04:41:29] <XXCoder> I asked 1400
[04:41:40] <XXCoder> and that price was result of hagging
[04:41:49] <Jymmm> gotcha =)
[04:41:56] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:42:26] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Well, now you can scrap the other car for $500
[04:42:42] <XXCoder> think so yes
[04:42:44] <Jymmm> XXCoder: or sell it not running, as is, for parts, for $800
[04:42:57] <XXCoder> yeah plan do that first
[04:43:14] <Jymmm> Hell, ask $1800
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[04:58:22] <zeeshan|2> man
[04:58:31] <zeeshan|2> the problem was i was tracking the WRONG point on the insert
[04:58:31] <zeeshan|2> lol
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[06:21:17] <tjtr33> nice puma running under linuxcnc http://westcoastmakers.com/threads/arm-o-matic.78/
[06:21:26] <tjtr33> west coast of OZ i think
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[06:53:19] <Deejay> moin
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[07:11:11] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/wvdhjOG.jpg
[07:11:14] * zeeshan|2 loves cnc
[07:11:17] <zeeshan|2> die made in 5 minutes
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[07:16:57] <RyanS> Whatever you have made in five minutes... I hate you. :)
[07:17:12] <zeeshan|2> i was making this die wrong first
[07:17:17] <zeeshan|2> i had the sfm set to 75 rpm
[07:17:18] <zeeshan|2> er
[07:17:21] <zeeshan|2> 75 fpm
[07:17:24] <zeeshan|2> was wayyy too slow for carbide
[07:17:35] <zeeshan|2> shot it up to 200
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[08:08:19] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[08:12:33] * Loetmichel just has slitted is middlefinger with an xacto knife. Note to self: No difficult tinkering before the first coffee... *clean the bloddy mess* *but a bandaid on* *GET A COFFEE*
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[09:01:47] <RyanS> Is it really necessary to splash coolant around like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGfRh1uEcVo
[09:02:17] <RyanS> It's not like it's an industrial machine which requires high-pressure coolant or something
[09:03:26] <somebub> any good 2 d clipart that is like parts ? free open sourced or public domain . sprockets and other parts every time i look sites say free but want money
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[09:46:01] <Jymmm> somebub: http://openclipart.org/
[09:51:38] <somebub> thanks li look.
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[10:07:45] <Jymmm> somebub: http://arc.id.au/GearDrawing.html
[10:08:44] <Jymmm> somebub: https://github.com/attoparsec/inkscape-extensions
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[10:40:06] <RyanS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK7vcGPtVeE&feature=player_detailpage#t=206
[10:40:54] <Valen> RyanS: doesnt look like a duck call ;-P
[10:41:04] <Valen> lol i like the brush
[10:41:38] <RyanS> I know I couldn't stop laughing when I saw the paintbrush
[10:42:20] <RyanS> I can't see that cleaning method taking off in the manufacturing industry :P
[10:42:40] <Jymmm> Do you realize how much of a PITA it is to get acrlyic swarf off with all that static build up?!
[10:42:55] <Jymmm> less hosing it off
[10:43:54] <RyanS> would still have static with the brush
[10:44:08] <Jymmm> but it'll at least collect it
[10:44:56] <RyanS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxWbz0Wf2rM this is awesome
[10:45:20] <Jymmm> that shit just sticks worse than your ex wife wanting alimony =)
[10:45:59] <RyanS> Can't relate it is unwise to get married
[10:47:26] <Jymmm> See al the swarf in the dome video? that hit just doens't come off no matter what!
[10:48:44] <Jymmm> talk about no tool marks! damn!
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[10:50:28] <Loetmichel> RyanS: hmm,. cant say that
[10:50:42] <Loetmichel> <- happily married for 14 years now ;-)
[10:51:17] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: And how many hundreds of miles away does she live?
[10:53:54] <Loetmichel> a few meteres?
[10:54:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: ok, just checking =)
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[11:13:56] <Loetmichel> *ups*... just have charged an 18650 cell to 4.34V... shitty bench power supply drifting with temperature... i doubt i should put that cell back in my pocket ;-)
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[11:24:05] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Just make sure your keys are in your pocket too
[11:24:23] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: is it hot?
[11:25:40] <Loetmichel> ice cold
[11:25:56] <Jymmm> discharge it to 4.2 then
[11:28:08] <Loetmichel> already did
[11:29:17] <Jymmm> should be ok then, no?
[11:29:50] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: how fast did you charge it?
[11:30:34] <Loetmichel> 1C
[11:30:41] <Loetmichel> 2.8A
[11:30:46] <Loetmichel> current limited
[11:31:03] <Jymmm> Ah, so fairly fast. I have a slow charger, takes a few hours
[11:31:15] <Jymmm> .5a
[11:31:42] <Jymmm> and all my cells are protected
[11:31:43] <Loetmichel> <- was to wimp to turn the psu up to full 6A ;-)
[11:31:52] <Jymmm> lol
[11:32:08] <Jymmm> Not a wimp when it comes to explosive devices =)
[11:32:33] <Jymmm> flying burning lithium is not a good thing
[11:33:23] <Loetmichel> i am model pilot
[11:33:40] <Loetmichel> you dont want to know how i torture the flight battery packs
[11:33:45] <Loetmichel> :-)
[11:33:56] <Loetmichel> and they re lipo7lifepo4, too ;-)
[11:34:04] <Loetmichel> -7+7
[11:34:06] <Jymmm> 18650 for plane?
[11:34:08] <Loetmichel> grrr
[11:34:10] <Jymmm> plane
[11:34:21] <Loetmichel> no, the 18650 is for my e-cig/my flashlight
[11:34:29] <Loetmichel> -7+/
[11:34:33] <Loetmichel> now its right ;-)
[11:34:36] <Jymmm> eCig/flashlight?! damn!
[11:34:57] <Jymmm> Gives new meaning to the term "torch"
[11:35:06] <Loetmichel> not one part
[11:35:11] <Loetmichel> twio parts
[11:35:18] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14733
[11:35:20] <Jymmm> I know, but mine was funnier =)
[11:35:30] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14996
[11:35:51] <Loetmichel> ... nontheless i MADE a flashlight from a spare ecig-battery:
[11:35:57] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: but my flashlight is a charger/pwr source too
[11:36:23] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14748
[11:36:26] <Jymmm> http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S022116
[11:36:43] <Jymmm> Uses 1 to 3 18650's
[11:36:58] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: to big for trousers pocet ;:)=
[11:37:13] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: But PERFECT for glove box
[11:37:21] <Jymmm> emergency power too
[11:38:00] <Jymmm> recharges from usb too
[11:46:31] <Valen> ey Loetmichel, mother in law and wifes best friend both smoke and it really messes me up, I was thinking of getting them ecigs
[11:46:34] <Valen> any suggesitons?
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[11:51:47] <Loetmichel> i liked my kanger T3s
[11:52:02] <Loetmichel> but since last week i have the cvamo and the protanks
[11:52:14] <Loetmichel> .... no comparsion, different league ;-)
[11:52:24] <Loetmichel> -c
[11:52:43] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14990
[11:52:58] <Loetmichel> T3s: all heads that are plstic in the pic
[11:53:11] <Loetmichel> the batteries differ: the small ones are 650mAh
[11:53:16] <Loetmichel> the bigger are 1000 mah
[11:53:34] <Loetmichel> and the one in the middle is the vamo with an 18650 inside ;-)
[11:53:52] <Jymmm> 18650 in an eCig?! damn
[11:54:09] <Jymmm> frickin eCigar!
[11:54:27] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14996
[11:54:34] <Loetmichel> i have no small hands...
[11:54:36] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[11:54:40] <Jymmm> lol
[11:55:11] <Jymmm> I just wish I could find good eLiquid. Mine hits hard/harsh
[11:55:22] <Jymmm> so I don't use it
[11:55:51] <Loetmichel> i DO have a "few" of the t3s heads andkanger batterys: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14799
[11:55:53] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[11:57:25] <Valen> where do you buy that stuff from?
[11:58:35] <Loetmichel> www.dampfplanet.de
[12:02:40] <Jymmm> Oh great, DX no longer has eCigs it seems
[12:05:06] <Valen> yeah i saw that
[12:05:13] <Valen> they moved them to some other site it seems
[12:05:23] <Valen> that charges shipping i think
[12:05:45] <Jymmm> same parent company, but yeah, now pay shipping
[12:05:54] <Jymmm> http://www.volumerate.com/search/ego
[12:09:25] <Jymmm> This is the one I have http://www.volumerate.com/product/egot-quit-smoking-usb-rechargeable-electronic-cigarettes-w-5-refills-pair-mb-flavor-111509
[12:10:59] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: hrhr, thats cute ;-)
[12:11:09] <Jymmm> ?
[12:11:14] <Loetmichel> that e-cig
[12:11:22] <Jymmm> what about it?
[12:11:31] <Loetmichel> its the usual "starter" set
[12:11:32] <Jymmm> you get two for $20
[12:11:39] <Loetmichel> and very cute
[12:11:45] <Loetmichel> but not really useabnle
[12:11:52] <Jymmm> Well, not everyone has a belt holster of eCigars =)
[12:12:17] <Loetmichel> i get mayba 10 times the cvape out of the big one and 5 times out of the t3s
[12:12:56] <Jymmm> I'm just not that much into them. If I found a great eLiquid, maybe.
[12:13:39] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14993
[12:13:45] <Loetmichel> ... if you know what i mean ;-)
[12:14:13] <Jymmm> lol, yeah I know.
[12:14:37] <Jymmm> Around these parts, eLiquid is NOT what they are used for =)
[12:14:47] <Jymmm> (not me, but others)
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[14:38:07] <jdh> that's a lot of hassle just for a nicotine addiction
[14:38:50] <jdh> unless you are putting better substances in the e-thing, I don't understand their existence.
[14:39:07] <ssi> personally I think they're fantastic, and I don't smoke
[14:39:38] <ssi> I'm horribly allergic to cigarette smoke, but the vaporizors don't bother me in the slightest
[14:39:42] <Loetmichel> jdh: i dont see it as an addiction any more
[14:39:46] <ssi> the filthy addicts get their drugs, and I get to not die
[14:39:48] <Loetmichel> at least not to nicotine
[14:40:11] <Loetmichel> it helpend me to quit smoking
[14:40:13] <Loetmichel> instantly
[14:40:29] <Loetmichel> but now i am vapung for the fun of it
[14:40:35] <ssi> yea
[14:40:40] <ssi> I bought my mom a setup for that reason
[14:40:51] <ssi> and she's weaned down in 2 months from 16mg to 0.4mg juice
[14:40:55] <Loetmichel> 8AND the niocotine, altough i have reduced the N contents since i did qout smoke)
[14:41:15] <CaptHindsight> is there tobacco flavored ecig juice?
[14:41:16] <Loetmichel> i am dwon from 18mg to 11
[14:41:27] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight. a bunch of it
[14:41:46] <Loetmichel> you can get camtel, danhall, marlbro and so on ;-)
[14:42:02] <CaptHindsight> easy enough to make but too dangerous for the untrained
[14:42:34] <jdh> if you are still vaping nicotine, you are still an addict.
[14:42:40] <CaptHindsight> nicotine poisoning from handling it without gloves
[14:43:09] <Loetmichel> jdh: jeah.
[14:43:15] <CaptHindsight> jdh: did they secure all the ball screw ends the same way for each axis?
[14:43:19] <Loetmichel> dosent bother me at all though
[14:43:43] <jdh> CaptHindsight: Z seems to float in the bearing
[14:43:57] <jdh> X is captured on both sides and in tension
[14:44:48] <jdh> I doubt the Z actually floats much though.
[14:45:02] <jdh> They seem to have doen an incredibly job of removing all excess cost
[14:45:22] <CaptHindsight> heh cutting corners
[14:45:47] <jdh> yeah. even down to asymmetric angle brackets
[14:46:00] <CaptHindsight> that's the problem I've had, having to add those corners back after arrival
[14:46:11] <jdh> I didn't get the table. Just the gantry and electronics
[14:46:41] <jdh> a few pics at: http://tinyurl.com/l5uuv8l
[14:47:18] <jdh> Couldn't tell if they were ACB's. I'd guess they are just plain radial bearings though.
[14:48:58] <Loetmichel> no pic of the assembled machine?
[14:49:12] <jdh> The electronics actually look ok. Only thing I see really missing is the earth from spindle to VFD. I'll probably replace all the VFD wiring with good shielded stuff anyway.
[14:49:26] <jdh> Loetmichel: I only got box 2 of 2. No table
[14:49:33] <Loetmichel> ah
[14:49:35] <Loetmichel> bad
[14:50:13] <jdh> yeah. looks like it will be in Cincinnati shortly but I don't think they will deliver it until monday
[14:50:53] <jdh> Gives me the weekend to remove my old router and clean up some space for teh new one.
[14:51:36] <archivist> might need the old one to make bits for the new
[14:51:55] <jdh> If I ever finished teh wiring on my mill, I could wall mount the electronics box instead of taking up half a bench. My table saw is also currently the computer stand for the mill.
[14:52:20] <jdh> archivist: I'll just use the mill if needed.
[14:52:26] <CaptHindsight> I can't seem to find one that is setup properly right out of the box
[14:52:28] <archivist> I understand the stacking syndrome
[14:52:46] <jdh> heh... anything with horizontal space promptly gets 2 layers of stuff
[14:53:00] <skunkworks> only 2?
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[14:53:32] <archivist> I thought 3 layers was a minimum specification
[14:53:35] <jdh> CaptHindSight: I expected it to have as much cost removed as possible at this point. I am fairly impressed with the electronics (never having powered them up)
[14:53:56] <jdh> after 2 layers, it isn't usually horizontal enough for a third.
[14:54:46] <archivist> I can take pics to disprove that theory
[14:54:56] <jdh> The spindle water pump is run off the 24v stepper supply. I'll probably replace that before use.
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[14:57:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.technocnc.com/cnc-router-systems/HD-Mini-series-cnc-router.htm what does Techno charge for these? >$5K?
[14:57:48] <Loetmichel> jdh: thats a good idea, it is loud as heell also
[14:58:43] <jdh> That is a much better looking machine.
[14:59:34] <jdh> any idea how many volts these drivers could take?
[14:59:51] <Loetmichel> 32V is absolute mayx
[15:00:03] <Loetmichel> but only if they havent used some 25V caps
[15:00:11] <jdh> can probably crank the 24v PS up to 28-30.
[15:00:41] <jdh> I think it said 350w.
[15:01:01] <Loetmichel> like this board: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13412
[15:01:13] <Loetmichel> learned it tha hard way;-)
[15:01:28] <jdh> c'mon, I have MBs that look way worse than that and still run.
[15:02:03] <Loetmichel> ... that have blown fishy juice at you when you were looking at it?
[15:02:07] <jdh> The breakout board didn't look like it had pins for the rest of the available inputs.
[15:02:26] <Loetmichel> fishy scalding hot juice
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[15:21:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/pro4824-4-x-2-cnc-router-kit-p-250.html for $2.8K! and no titanium framing?
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[15:23:53] <jdh> add your own table?
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[15:25:05] <ssi> CaptHindsight: their stuff is actually VERY beefy and nice
[15:25:09] <ssi> I've seen it in person
[15:25:45] <ssi> I dunno if it's $2900 nice
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[15:26:55] <jdh> much better size than mine
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[15:36:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MORBIDELLI-AUTHOR-600-CNC-ROUTER-USED-WOODWORKING-MACHINE-/271521452408?pt=UK_BOI_Building_Materials_Supplies_Carpentry_Woodwork_ET&hash=item3f37f09178
[15:36:13] <SpeedEvil> I think, on reflection I want one a leeeetle smaller
[15:38:04] <ssi> SpeedEvil: :D
[15:38:07] <ssi> that's a monster
[15:38:21] <SpeedEvil> 14 spindles...
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[15:38:29] <ssi> crazy
[15:38:36] <ssi> I think I want to start buildin a laser soon
[15:39:44] <jdh> yag?
[15:39:56] <ssi> co2
[15:40:04] <ssi> I mean building a laser machine, not the laser itself
[15:40:45] <jdh> will be cool on the sailboat
[15:40:46] <archivist> hmm linuxcnc needs more axes to drive that
[15:41:02] <ssi> yeah I can use bilgewater to cool the tube
[15:41:46] <ssi> hm
[15:41:46] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/A-set-of-CO2-10600nm-Laser-Head-w-Mirrors-Focus-Focal-Lens-Integrative-Mounts/180872049290?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23772%26meid%3D8056427366855852833%26pid%3D100009%26prg%3D10164%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D321445743376
[15:41:54] <jdh> we have an old co2 laser with an xy table + z
[15:41:57] <ssi> I don't know much about laser stuff
[15:43:19] <jdh> had a couple of 5kw YAGs but that didn't work out.
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[15:50:35] <Smidge204__> pew pew pew
[15:52:29] <PetefromTn_> morning folks..
[15:53:06] <Smidge204__> Just barely
[15:54:09] <jdh> 6 more minutes!
[15:54:09] <ssi> morn pete
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[15:54:46] <PetefromTn_> yup..slept in...
[15:55:01] <PetefromTn_> Was up LATE last night reading about custom audio stuff... LOL
[15:55:08] <PetefromTn_> Its a sickness I think...
[15:55:11] <ssi> I bet you were ;)
[15:55:14] <ssi> you figure anything out?
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[15:55:25] <PetefromTn_> I dunno man there is so much to learn..
[15:55:34] <PetefromTn_> I am liking the rear loading horns tho..
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[15:56:03] <ssi> whatever you decide to do, make sure you're leaning toward efficient fullrange stuff
[15:56:04] <PetefromTn_> I think you are spot on about the 2A3 tube amps tho..
[15:56:18] <ssi> :)
[15:56:35] <ssi> hallelujah, we have another convert
[15:56:36] <ssi> lol
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[15:57:03] <archivist> from or to tubes
[15:57:10] <PetefromTn_> we watched a bunch of youtube videos of folks custom builds..
[15:57:17] <jdh> to, obviously.
[15:57:17] <ssi> not so much to tubes, but to the Church of Low Power
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[15:57:39] <archivist> to is pure sickness
[15:58:05] <PetefromTn_> I especially like this one.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbBVZ7T5p3k
[15:58:10] <jdh> you just haven't heard Dr. Dre until you hear it on a tube amp
[15:58:12] <ssi> watch out pete, archivist is gonna measure all your equipment
[15:58:24] <PetefromTn_> bring it on man..;)
[15:58:56] <ssi> PetefromTn_: looks like a good start
[15:58:57] <ssi> http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-fullrange/fostex-fe206en-8-full-range/
[15:58:59] <PetefromTn_> not the music the setup...
[15:59:12] <ssi> the fostex are excellent drivers, I just prefer the smoother markaudios
[15:59:55] <archivist> this would say I measure :) http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=electronics+PD
[15:59:56] <PetefromTn_> do they make a comparable markaudio?
[16:00:26] <ssi> alpair 12p is same size I think
[16:00:36] <ssi> but give the fe206 a shot, I'm sure they're very good
[16:00:41] <PetefromTn_> I love the look and sound of the horns like that. I also like the half Chengs look...
[16:00:46] <ssi> the particular fostex drivers I have are shouty, but they're not all that way
[16:00:53] <ssi> the cones on those are made of banana pulp :P
[16:01:19] <PetefromTn_> I think I could so totally build that setup man..
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[16:01:31] <ssi> best get on it
[16:01:32] <PetefromTn_> How much did you say you have in your tube amp setup?
[16:01:39] <ssi> maybe $700 each
[16:01:45] <ssi> maybe more, I dunno
[16:01:52] <PetefromTn_> they are dual monos then?
[16:02:07] <ssi> no, two separate stereo amps
[16:02:23] <ssi> I see zero need for monoblocks for the most part
[16:02:29] <PetefromTn_> I showed that video to my wife and she was like...OOH make it so..
[16:02:37] <ssi> the channel separation of the amp is better than the channel separation of a vinyl cartridge
[16:03:08] <PetefromTn_> so one stereo amp for each speaker then. Can you post the pics of your amps again?
[16:03:16] <ssi> um no
[16:03:21] <ssi> one stereo amp for a pair of speakers
[16:03:28] <ssi> I just built two amps and two pairs of speakers
[16:03:34] <mozmck> You really need $30,000 cables to make the amp sound any good you know ;)
[16:03:38] <ssi> and I don't run them at the same time cause I get weird cancellations
[16:03:45] <ssi> mozmck: yeah that's true of anything tho
[16:03:55] <ssi> and you have to replace your house wiring with gold romex
[16:04:07] <mozmck> and a magic disk to set on top of your CD player.
[16:04:16] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9VQeeUhnZ4 this is nice too..
[16:04:23] <ssi> what kind of goddamn animals have CD players anymore
[16:04:35] <mozmck> audiophiles
[16:04:41] <ssi> negative
[16:04:43] <PetefromTn_> how do you get your music into the amps again?
[16:04:55] <ssi> I have a preamp i built
[16:04:59] <Smidge204__> Telepathy
[16:05:03] <PetefromTn_> which one?
[16:05:04] <ssi> plus a phono preamp I built, and a decent turntable
[16:05:08] <ssi> amb.org
[16:05:12] <mozmck> I think it needs to be laser - no wires to interfere.
[16:05:13] <ssi> also built their DAC
[16:05:14] <ssi> y2
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[16:05:36] <PetefromTn_> you're my hero man... LOL
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[16:06:29] <PetefromTn_> I still cannot believe that much sound can come from 2.5 watts LOL...amazing.
[16:06:59] <Connor> Man.... I just came home from taking my Wife to the Doctor... We had a bird build a nest in our Car port.. and we watched the babies grow up to be fledglings.. Was watching them from the car when we pulled up. One of them managed to land on the step going into the house.. I told my wife he's in a bad spot I'll need to come out and move him.. opened the door to help her inside.. and the bird hopped into the house.. right as I walked in.. and RIGHT UNDE
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[16:07:21] <Connor> I stepped on it.. (I didn't even see it come into the house) Wife saw the whole thing and couldn't tell me in time..
[16:07:23] <zeeshan|2> :D
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[16:07:40] <zeeshan|2> =/
[16:07:44] <Connor> Bird squawked and died 30 seconds later.. I didn't even put full weight on it..
[16:07:52] <Connor> This week is fired..
[16:08:05] <mozmck> bummer! I've done in a kitten that way :(
[16:08:13] <zeeshan|2> lose some weight
[16:08:15] <zeeshan|2> both of you
[16:08:41] <Connor> It was JUST learning how to fly... Wife even took a picture of it 30 seconds before the incident..
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[16:08:45] <Connor> she's really torn up.
[16:10:46] <Smidge204__> Hundreds of thousands of birds die for all sorts of reasons. I wouldn't feel that bad - not like you ground your heel into it or anything.
[16:11:42] <Connor> Smidge204__: Yea.. but.. the problem is... we watched them grow up.. and WAS just admiring it.. and then POOF.
[16:11:44] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmfbPsPmfp4
[16:12:24] <Smidge204__> True enough, but even if you hadn't accidentally stepped on it it might've died anyway since it was on the ground
[16:12:25] <zeeshan|2> connor similar thing happened to me
[16:12:32] <zeeshan|2> i watched baby rabbits grow up in my backyard
[16:12:41] <zeeshan|2> one day i come back, i find one of them slaughtered
[16:12:50] <zeeshan|2> a hawk/cat/fox
[16:12:56] <zeeshan|2> ate it for dinner
[16:13:43] <ssi> I want a hawkcatfox!
[16:13:46] <ssi> sounds like an amazing pet
[16:13:55] <zeeshan|2> ssi http://i.imgur.com/wvdhjOG.jpg
[16:14:01] <zeeshan|2> 4 min die cutting operation
[16:14:03] * zeeshan|2 loves cnc
[16:14:15] <ssi> excellent
[16:14:15] <Connor> Momma Bird and it's other 2 siblings were out there too..
[16:14:58] <zeeshan|2> connor you're fucked
[16:15:00] <zeeshan|2> theyre gonna attack you
[16:15:25] <mozmck> no, but they won't hop under his feet I bet!
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[16:15:42] <Smidge204__> Depends... some species of bird really hold a grudge.
[16:15:46] <jdh> they have already forgotten that little Freddy even existed.
[16:15:53] <zeeshan|2> jdh lol
[16:16:05] <Smidge204__> Crows will hunt you down, man.
[16:16:23] <Smidge204__> Even months later
[16:16:30] <zeeshan|2> years later dude
[16:16:36] <zeeshan|2> did you see that crow research video?
[16:16:44] <Smidge204__> With the toolmaking?
[16:16:45] <zeeshan|2> the people who did experiments on them
[16:16:53] <zeeshan|2> they came back after 5 years
[16:16:58] <zeeshan|2> and the crows still attacked them
[16:17:00] <Smidge204__> Ah yeah
[16:17:06] <jdh> anyone have a specific harbor freight pump suggestion for a water cooled spindle?
[16:17:21] <Smidge204__> That's some grade-A Hitchcock sh*t there.
[16:17:24] <zeeshan|2> lol
[16:18:12] <Smidge204__> jdh: If you know the GPM required it should be pretty straightforward
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[16:19:19] <jdh> nothing is taht simple
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[16:20:09] <Smidge204__> Of course not...
[16:20:30] <Smidge204__> What about thermal requirements? How much heat does it generate?
[16:20:46] <jdh> no clue, never powered it up.
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[16:21:05] <Smidge204__> What size hose connections?
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[16:21:23] <jdh> no clue, but I can make anything fit.
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[16:21:32] <Loetmichel> jdh: the smalles that can cope with more than 1m height
[16:21:44] <Loetmichel> the gpm is irrelevant
[16:21:52] <Loetmichel> a trickel is enough anyways
[16:22:02] <Loetmichel> the spindle has only 800W full load
[16:22:13] <jdh> mine says 1500w
[16:22:16] <Loetmichel> 90% of the time it will not even heat up without a pump
[16:22:24] <Smidge204__> No idea what size the hole is?
[16:22:29] <Loetmichel> ok, so yours is a bit bigger
[16:22:29] <zeeshan|2> depends on the rpm..
[16:22:31] <jdh> it's the bigger spindle
[16:22:33] <Loetmichel> still no problem
[16:22:37] <jdh> 80mm
[16:23:17] <jdh> was going to make a pre-hurricane run to HF on the way home. I imagine I will be stuck inside for a day.
[16:23:54] <Smidge204__> 1500W is the overall power, so if losses to heat are more than 10% of that you have other problems
[16:24:16] <Smidge204__> 150W is bupkis... so yeah just about anything
[16:24:52] <Loetmichel> mine is a pump meant for an indoor fountain
[16:25:16] <Loetmichel> ... it has issues with bringing up the water to the spindle when it has drwan air in the circuit
[16:25:17] <Smidge204__> I was thinking medium aquarium pump
[16:25:28] <jthornton> is that why it is a little cool today... a hurricane somewhere
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[16:25:40] <Loetmichel> ... but when the system is filled it works and pumps more than enough
[16:25:45] <jdh> wouldn't think an aquarium pump could handle the head
[16:26:17] <Smidge204__> Closed loop. As Loetmichel is saying, if you pritnt he discharge tube down to the reservoir it's fine
[16:26:39] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Ov69t0uwo
[16:27:12] <Loetmichel> it doesent get much smaller than tat pump ;-)
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[16:27:30] <jdh> heh... I think I have one that looks just like that.
[16:27:42] <Smidge204__> It's sort of like a siphon effect, and the pump just has to make up the relatively small difference
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[16:46:37] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[16:47:14] <IchGuckLive> reading the logs today real activ channel ;-)
[16:47:31] <IchGuckLive> K6MLE: ?
[16:48:32] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: Radar Tornado warnings hedding your hometown
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[16:56:13] <gkamysz> Holy moly! i might need a set of speakers that big.
[16:58:22] <gkamysz> I built a transmission line 10" sub for my truck 15 years ago then it sat in my theather until I stopped using it. i've been thinking about building a TL for a 6" sony component set I have.
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[17:04:29] <gkamysz> finally. my box from yesterday is running. i installed libgl1-mesa-swx11
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[17:05:01] <gkamysz> for some reason this wiped out linuxcnc so I had to reinstall it
[17:05:36] <gkamysz> it looks like it's alive so I'll connect it to my machine for a test drive
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[17:11:35] <gkamysz> Are those chinese spindles up to cutting metal yet?
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[17:34:28] <SpeedEvil> gkamysz: Of course. Depends how much yo upay
[17:46:08] <gkamysz> back when I needed one they were junk so I made my own.
[17:47:37] <IchGuckLive> SpeedEvil the 14spindle mashine is quite usefull to copy Replics of Nadonna and church stuff
[17:47:59] <SpeedEvil> It says independant
[17:51:16] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Cone bra?
[17:51:48] <IchGuckLive> german like them
[17:52:39] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Well, yeah, they're freaky like that... http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.95551.1313899425!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/gal-madonna-6-jpg.jpg
[17:52:40] <gkamysz> 14spindle?
[17:54:56] <gkamysz> The mill runs again. I can see that movement is much smoother compared to 2.2.8 that I was running so 3D surfacing might run faster and smoother.
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[17:58:08] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: nothing today, hurricane down in the Carolinas
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[18:09:15] <CaptHindsight> jdh: http://www.harborfreight.com/264-gph-submersible-fountain-pump-68395.html testing this one, been running for 2 days submerged in coolant
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[18:13:46] <Smidge204__> Harbor Freight - the tool department Walmart wishes it had.
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[18:15:23] <stt_michael> harbor freight ish good
[18:16:01] <Smidge204__> Depends on what you're getting, and usually a little bit of luck
[18:16:22] <stt_michael> yea
[18:16:28] <CaptHindsight> doesn't Walmart stock Stanley tools at their stores?
[18:16:43] <Smidge204__> I think so
[18:17:21] <CaptHindsight> all the same types of stores in China carry Stanley
[18:19:37] <Smidge204__> Stanley is meh. It's hard to make a genuinely bad wrench, though
[18:19:49] <Smidge204__> For example
[18:19:56] <CaptHindsight> HF uses the Pittsburgh label on many hand tools
[18:20:18] <Smidge204__> Yup
[18:20:19] <CaptHindsight> heh like the 4" long combo set up to 36mm :)
[18:20:20] <Jymmm> Smidge204__: Wanna bet?
[18:20:28] <Smidge204__> Jymmm: Didn't say impossible :p
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[18:20:36] <Jymmm> Smidge204__: They don't call them knuckle busters for nothing.
[18:21:14] <CaptHindsight> Chicago Pneumatic is another
[18:22:00] <CaptHindsight> the tools stores there are interesting, usually no brand name on them
[18:22:51] <CaptHindsight> cordless drills are sold by the battery voltage, the price goes up with the voltage
[18:23:16] <Smidge204__> Anything in the 277-480V range? :D
[18:23:20] <CaptHindsight> and you haggle over price
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[18:23:51] <Smidge204__> What is there to haggle over?
[18:24:23] <Smidge204__> Are they damaged or visibly defective?
[18:25:07] <Jymmm> Smidge204__: Haggle paying $16 for a $2 drill
[18:25:29] <Smidge204__> Oh... just plain ol' gouging
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[18:28:06] <gkamysz> if you are a foreigner the price triples
[18:28:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.bloomberg.com/image/i3GzFFSgmJeQ.jpg http://www.greatmirror.com/images/medium/012956.jpg
[18:28:22] <CaptHindsight> usually in places like these
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[18:34:52] <Smidge204__> Thanks for the reminder just how different cultures can be.
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[18:36:21] <CaptHindsight> I still haven't found a seller of high end tools. The culture there is like HF. You buy cheap and often.
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[18:37:40] <CaptHindsight> all those low cost welders for example, they are made to be carried to workplace to workplace on your scooter and work well enough for a few months or year
[18:38:56] <Smidge204__> :/
[18:39:42] <Smidge204__> Do you suppose that's an affordability problem, or a concern over crime/theft of more expensive kit?
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[18:40:04] <CaptHindsight> when I show them 50 year old Bridgeports or 20 year old Matsuuras it doesn't compute with them
[18:41:00] <CaptHindsight> you buy a welder, chop saw, drill etc for a year or two then buy the next gen
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[18:41:34] <Smidge204__> Sounds much more expensive than just buying something that'll last, assuming you can get it
[18:41:44] <CaptHindsight> they would rather spend $200 every year for 5-10 years vs $1000-2000 every 5-10 years
[18:42:04] <Smidge204__> :/
[18:42:16] <Smidge204__> That's a depressingly common attitude
[18:42:37] <gkamysz> just needs to be good enough to work for a while
[18:43:25] <Smidge204__> Maybe for something you'll only need to use rarely.
[18:43:31] <mozmck> $200 every year for 5-10 years is the same money as $1000-$2000 every 5-10 years
[18:43:49] <Smidge204__> If and only if the purchasing power of that money doesn't change
[18:44:12] <mozmck> If that's accurate then it actually makes sense - kind of like paying on time except you own the thing.
[18:44:12] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: yes, they don't think long term
[18:44:16] <Smidge204__> something something opportunity costs
[18:44:44] <gkamysz> back in 2003 on the main highway to beijing airport workers had carts and shovels working on the curbs. not a single powered machine in sight.
[18:44:46] <Smidge204__> Also, if a higher quality tool increases your productivity, that is also something to consider
[18:44:56] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: but if the price is the same, why spend more?
[18:44:57] <gkamysz> Bamboo scaffolding on highrises was something too
[18:45:24] <CaptHindsight> gkamysz: there is still a lot of that
[18:45:34] <gkamysz> of course manpower is cheap
[18:45:41] <CaptHindsight> but factories are all automated and high tech
[18:46:54] <gkamysz> because they still have to be cheaper than vietman or india whatever the next place will be
[18:47:12] <Smidge204__> Race to the bottom!
[18:47:26] <Smidge204__> It'll be the end of us all :/
[18:47:41] <CaptHindsight> China has poured more concrete in the past 5 years than the US in the past 100
[18:47:51] <gkamysz> but it will fall apart in 10
[18:48:03] <Smidge204__> Mostly for no reason, if my understanding is correct
[18:48:16] <gkamysz> buildings i saw that were just 5-10 years old were crumbling
[18:48:27] <Smidge204__> And mostly empty
[18:48:37] <CaptHindsight> but that 10 years off :)
[18:49:11] <gkamysz> people betting on the future? that didn't come
[18:49:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.wired.com/2014/06/how-much-cement-has-china-used/
[18:50:17] <CaptHindsight> now they are moving people from the countryside into the empty new cities
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[18:50:55] <gkamysz> wow it will still be interesting how it works out
[18:51:26] <Smidge204__> [pictures of fallen over building here]
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[18:55:40] <CaptHindsight> at least their falling buildings don't defy physics
[18:57:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.sternfannetwork.com/xen/index.php?threads/breaking-hot-very-hot-shanghai-skyscraper-burns.563327/
[18:58:51] <Smidge204__> http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/images/stories/large/2009/07/08/350.
[18:58:56] <Smidge204__> Was thinking of that one specifically
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[19:04:54] <Loetmichel> hmmm
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[19:05:33] <CaptHindsight> part of that corner cutting
[19:06:28] <Loetmichel> as i have ordered my fith of these: http://www.ebay.de/itm/181453363761 do the channel think its possible to make a copy of that casing out of Stainless steel on a 3 axis cnc mill and a lathe? and how to put a hardened glass in it instead of the plastic?
[19:06:41] <Loetmichel> worth giving it a try or hopeless?
[19:07:15] <Loetmichel> (the other four lost their chrome platin in less than half a year)
[19:07:17] <Loetmichel> plating
[19:10:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-07/03/content_8376126.htm
[19:13:44] <SpeedEvil> Why not sapphire?
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[19:15:03] <jdh> CaptHindSight: I was looking at the smallest version of that. 92gpm or so
[19:15:11] <SpeedEvil> http://deloachwatchservice.com/repair/sapphire.htm
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[19:15:54] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: look at the ebay link: not round
[19:16:05] <SpeedEvil> Well, duh
[19:16:09] <SpeedEvil> you'd need to cut it
[19:16:09] <Loetmichel> ... and polycarbonate ;-)
[19:16:45] <SpeedEvil> I wasn't suggesting that particular service - just that they;'re available
[19:16:51] <Loetmichel> how to cut saphire glass? diamont grinding pin and loads of water?
[19:16:58] <SpeedEvil> Diamond disk works
[19:17:11] <Loetmichel> nice
[19:18:23] <Loetmichel> o would have thought saphire is so close to brinell10 that diamond won't cut it without using up a large amount of discs
[19:18:45] <SpeedEvil> the disk is quite thin
[19:18:47] <SpeedEvil> which helps
[19:18:53] <Loetmichel> still no idea if its possible to do that casing in stainless on a small 3 axis CNC mill
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[19:21:02] <Loetmichel> and yes, i know that this will be a tedious task
[19:21:10] <Loetmichel> and "not worth the money"
[19:21:33] <SpeedEvil> Meh
[19:21:34] <Loetmichel> ... i am just fed up with bying a new watch every few months
[19:21:37] <CaptHindsight> jdh: I looked at them all and read the reviews, they are all over rated
[19:21:54] <Loetmichel> and they tend to get more and more expenive over the years.
[19:22:09] <Loetmichel> the first one i bight in the late 80ties was 20 DM ;-)
[19:22:09] <CaptHindsight> jdh: so I got the largest one of the cheapies
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[19:22:33] <CaptHindsight> looks like a job for lost wax casting
[19:22:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bgsusa.com/ - heh
[19:22:48] <SpeedEvil> Straight out of 1985
[19:22:56] <SpeedEvil> 1975 actually
[19:23:09] <SpeedEvil> It looks like a dead-on copy of the paper catalogs I found in the attic of tooling
[19:23:24] <gkamysz> http://youtu.be/z-PlLHDgamE
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[19:23:32] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: Lost plastic
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[19:24:03] <SpeedEvil> It's a bit annoying that stainless has such a ridiculous melting point
[19:24:10] <CaptHindsight> SLA the sacrificial mold
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[19:25:25] * SpeedEvil wonders about aluminium bronze
[19:26:08] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: however
[19:26:16] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: Working solely from memory, and without a net.
[19:26:43] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: The watch element in that is basically cylindrical, and will fit just fine in a cylindrical recess
[19:27:09] <SpeedEvil> with a couple of appropriate holes and springs for buttons - you can probably reuse the old ones
[19:27:36] <Loetmichel> it is
[19:27:40] <Loetmichel> more or less
[19:27:52] <Loetmichel> and i think i can
[19:27:56] <SpeedEvil> So, you don't really need to copy it accurately.
[19:28:03] <SpeedEvil> Which makes it enormously easier
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[19:28:09] <Loetmichel> if i get hem otu of the resin casing without damage
[19:28:18] <SpeedEvil> They're not fixed in
[19:28:26] <SpeedEvil> they come out easily once you take the back off.
[19:28:27] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: i just want to ;)
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[19:28:36] <Loetmichel> and no, they dont
[19:28:42] <SpeedEvil> yes - I was meaning you won't get damage unless you go at it with a hammer
[19:28:46] <Loetmichel> these case is waterproof
[19:28:49] <SpeedEvil> (don't do that)
[19:28:55] <Loetmichel> there are sealings inside the buttons
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[19:29:07] <SpeedEvil> indeed. Which is why I said reuse, as making might be annoying
[19:29:13] <Loetmichel> and VERY litte teethed rings on the inside
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[19:29:55] <SpeedEvil> Casting it out of silver, after making a mould using the CNC might be interesting too
[19:30:28] <Loetmichel> silver with a stainless arm band... seems like a break in style to me ;.)
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[19:30:41] <SpeedEvil> Well - I diddn't say stainless band :)
[19:30:46] <SpeedEvil> That's the next project
[19:31:03] <Loetmichel> i want it to look exaclty like it does now
[19:31:11] <SpeedEvil> ah
[19:31:13] <Loetmichel> ... just in unbreakable ;-)
[19:32:07] <Loetmichel> i.e Stainless intead of chromed resin and Saphire or gorilla instead of polycarbonate
[19:32:37] <SpeedEvil> Well, polycarbonate may actually be unbreakable :)
[19:32:58] <Loetmichel> i am just sick of buying tham new every half a year because of lost chrome and scratches in the glass
[19:33:01] <Loetmichel> "glass"
[19:33:07] <SpeedEvil> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Optical-Sapphire-Window/582289991.html
[19:33:22] <SpeedEvil> Is an indication of the sort of price - it's not bad at all
[19:33:32] <SpeedEvil> And I don't think that'll quite work
[19:33:43] <Loetmichel> too thick ;-)
[19:34:01] * SpeedEvil passes Loetmichel a 5000 grit diamond hone.
[19:34:24] <Loetmichel> why did i anticipate that?
[19:34:27] <Loetmichel> :-)
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[19:35:43] <SpeedEvil> From memory, there are no real complex shapes on it, and with a couple of different fixtures, you should be able to do it just fine
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[19:35:54] <SpeedEvil> The strap attachment may be annoying
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[19:38:08] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[19:38:10] <CaptHindsight> can't you just write an app for your smartphone that looks like that watch? :)
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[19:38:19] <Loetmichel> i should buy some stainless then...
[19:38:35] <SpeedEvil> Try it out in Al
[19:38:39] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: thats the only watch i can toerat at my arm
[19:38:49] <Loetmichel> i dont like analogs
[19:38:52] <CaptHindsight> yeah, you get used to certain things
[19:38:57] <CaptHindsight> i understand
[19:39:01] <Loetmichel> and cant tolerate plastic or leather straps
[19:39:30] <CaptHindsight> I used to break any watch I'd wear in a few weeks
[19:39:36] <SpeedEvil> https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/LG_G_Watch_White_Gold?id=lg_g_watch_white
[19:39:46] <Loetmichel> i have fires one of these across the workshop...
[19:39:52] <SpeedEvil> I mean - I might consider that, if it was a fifth of the price, and actually robust
[19:40:00] <Loetmichel> hail to the spring ons in the strap
[19:40:20] <SpeedEvil> And had wifi as well as bluetooth
[19:40:26] <Loetmichel> (got caugtht in the bench drills collet)
[19:41:30] <Loetmichel> like i said: no plstic or leather straps: the skin on my arm starts to decay under them
[19:41:46] <Loetmichel> stainless straps it is!
[19:41:57] <CaptHindsight> i once reached into the space between the alternator and the engine block while my watched touched the terminal, it melted while on my wrist
[19:42:07] <CaptHindsight> watched/watch
[19:42:08] <Loetmichel> ouch
[19:42:27] <Loetmichel> s/ons/pins
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[19:43:10] <Loetmichel> after that "fire away" incident i wore a blue and black "wrist strap" instead of the steel one for a week ;-)
[19:43:52] <Loetmichel> luckily the pins in the straps gave way before my arm did ;-)
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[19:50:22] <Jymmm> That's exactly why I NEVER wear jewlery, especially when reaching into a 10KV cavity
[19:51:15] <CaptHindsight> I've had 20KV arcs through my arms when working on old CRT monitors, burns on both sides
[19:51:27] <Jymmm> and when I do, my hand is upside down so that the shock doesn't force my hand closed or my arm towards the source.
[19:51:42] <CaptHindsight> no jewelry necessary
[19:52:00] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: CRt's are one of the cavities I speak of
[19:52:09] <Jymmm> that flyback can be a bitch!
[19:52:42] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: he got banned on ##electronics.
[19:52:45] <Jymmm> RF PA's are another
[19:52:57] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: flyback transformer.
[19:53:01] <SpeedEvil> I know
[19:53:04] <SpeedEvil> :)
[19:53:09] <CaptHindsight> everyone knows flyback
[19:53:46] <Jymmm> Finally got my fixture done, just said screw it
[19:53:58] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: normal
[19:54:12] <Loetmichel> did that on purpose in my TV repair days
[19:54:37] <Loetmichel> to repell the nosy customers when i repaired a live TVset
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[19:55:18] <Loetmichel> just touch the HV cable whre it touchse the Transformer. usually the isolation is not in best shape so you can draw up to 30cm arc there
[19:55:30] <Loetmichel> *brrrzzzzzzzT*
[19:55:46] <Loetmichel> ... aaaand the nosy customer instantly is in the next room ;-)
[19:55:50] <Jymmm> Discharginging the flyback is usually enough of a POP
[19:55:54] <SpeedEvil> If you're confused about the mentions of flybacks, ask your father. :)
[19:56:04] <SpeedEvil> There is now only one vacuum tube in most homes.
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[19:56:15] <Jymmm> ?
[19:56:22] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: where?
[19:56:31] <Jymmm> the vacum itself?
[19:56:34] <SpeedEvil> Microwave. And solid state microwaves are possible.
[19:56:35] <CaptHindsight> the space between their ears?
[19:56:37] <Loetmichel> (besides the few that have a plasma tv)
[19:56:37] <Jymmm> vacuum cleaner
[19:56:59] <Loetmichel> MW with vaccum tubes?
[19:57:01] <SpeedEvil> yes.
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[19:57:12] <Loetmichel> the resonator is evacuated... but a vacuum tube?
[19:57:15] <SpeedEvil> Every single one.
[19:57:15] <Loetmichel> i doubt it
[19:57:19] <Jymmm> There are no vacuum tubes in a MW
[19:57:25] <SpeedEvil> It's a special purpose vacuum tube.
[19:57:29] <Jymmm> Nope
[19:57:37] <Loetmichel> no heating filament
[19:57:39] <Jymmm> I take em apart for the xfmr's =)
[19:57:41] <SpeedEvil> It has a heater.
[19:57:42] <Loetmichel> -> no vacuum tube
[19:57:57] <Loetmichel> it has?
[19:58:00] <Jymmm> magnatron yes, but no vacuum tube
[19:58:10] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_magnetron
[19:58:18] <Loetmichel> i know only magnetrons without heater
[19:58:27] <SpeedEvil> All microwave oven magnetrons have heaters
[19:58:33] <Jymmm> oh, and giant donut magnets
[19:58:52] <Jymmm> ceramic sadly
[19:59:11] <Jymmm> so-so in strength
[19:59:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/micfaq.htm#micmagconm
[20:00:00] <Loetmichel> strange. never noticed the heater
[20:00:10] <Loetmichel> and i dismantled quite a few MW
[20:00:31] <SpeedEvil> There are two visible connections to the tube.
[20:00:37] <SpeedEvil> But one is ground to the body
[20:00:41] <SpeedEvil> It's a triode
[20:00:55] <SpeedEvil> Well - three terminal device
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[20:02:03] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: That may have been at one time, but today, there was no vacuum anything. Things change *shrug*
[20:02:30] <Swapper_> Is it possible to get linuxcnc to read status from the comport via ascii commands and get them to display onscreen ?
[20:02:48] <Swapper_> onyone done somthing like that ?
[20:02:52] <SpeedEvil> There are today as far as I'm aware no commercial solid state microwave ovens. They can be made, but the semiconductors cost about $1K
[20:03:31] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Realize microwaves used to spark with metal, not as much these days.
[20:03:43] <SpeedEvil> That's got nothing to do with the magnetron
[20:04:01] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: No, but it does in the way they are designed these days
[20:04:04] <SpeedEvil> Well - it's subtleties of design of teh feedline.
[20:04:56] <SpeedEvil> Sure - but in every microwave oven is a magnetron with a heater and vacuum inside.
[20:05:11] <Loetmichel> still no vave
[20:05:14] <Loetmichel> +l
[20:05:18] <Jymmm> show me the vacuum photos and I'll believe you
[20:05:25] <SpeedEvil> I never said valve.
[20:06:04] <Jymmm> neither did I , but if there is a vacuum, there needs to be a seal too.
[20:06:10] <Loetmichel> vacuum tube
[20:06:39] <Jymmm> still needs a seal of some sort and all I have ever seen is RF gasketing
[20:07:17] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: I'm just saing that I haven't seen it, not that it doesn't exist.
[20:07:22] <Jymmm> saying*
[20:07:26] <SpeedEvil> Please find one source - any source that says there exist non vacuum magnetrons.
[20:08:03] <Loetmichel> i am not that good in magentron physics
[20:08:06] <Loetmichel> but can there be?
[20:08:08] <Jymmm> Just take one apart, show me the gasket/seal that would hold a vacuum?
[20:09:10] <Jymmm> http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/emp1/emp-14.jpg
[20:09:16] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3k6L8bLUqI
[20:09:26] <SpeedEvil> @7:23
[20:09:30] <Jymmm> http://www.blinkenbyte.org/magnetron/magnetron08.jpg
[20:10:04] <SpeedEvil> It's all welded
[20:10:12] <SpeedEvil> the feedthrough is a the pink bit
[20:11:00] <SpeedEvil> Typically berillium oxide - this is sealed with a gas-tight seal to the stainless
[20:11:13] <Connor> WTF is that Jymmm ? (04:09:10 PM) Jymmm: http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/emp1/emp-14.jpg
[20:11:27] <SpeedEvil> It's a cutthrough of a magnetron
[20:11:44] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavity_magnetron
[20:11:53] <SpeedEvil> The cavity magnetron is a high-powered vacuum tube that generates microwaves using the interaction of a stream of electrons with a magnetic field
[20:11:54] <SpeedEvil> ...
[20:12:01] <Jymmm> Connor: http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/emp1/
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[20:12:49] <Jymmm> Connor: Heh, an EMP bomb from the looks of that page
[20:13:07] <Jymmm> basically a sparc gap transmitter I suppose
[20:13:11] <Connor> 2.45 GHZ EMP
[20:13:26] <Connor> Probably would fry all WiFi in it's path.
[20:13:41] <Jymmm> Connor: I bet more broadband than that
[20:14:30] <Jymmm> That would be fun to play with though.
[20:14:59] <Jymmm> GET OFF THE DAMN PHONE AND DRIVE!!!
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[20:21:30] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: *tuuuiiiiiiiiii* *BOMPF*
[20:21:51] <Loetmichel> and all cars in 1 mile diameter instantly shut off
[20:21:59] <Loetmichel> ... forever ;-)
[20:22:16] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: No, that's only at HF
[20:22:29] <Jymmm> 100W HF
[20:24:04] <Loetmichel> ah, i see now
[20:24:20] <Loetmichel> only a powerful magentron and a dish
[20:25:29] <Loetmichel> i thought more in the way of "putting insane abounts of cuirrent thru a copper coil and then implode it with fast explsives to a singular point"
[20:26:19] <Loetmichel> ... which will make quite an impressive "real" EMP
[20:27:32] <Loetmichel> without the destruction of a fission bomb
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[20:38:23] <gkamysz> I want to try melting metal for casting in the microwave
[20:38:54] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a death ray
[20:42:03] <kengu> interesting idea
[20:42:05] <gkamysz> http://www.alloyavenue.com/vb/showthread.php?4044-Microwave-casting-is-a-reality!
[20:45:42] <gkamysz> I read about it a couple years ago. irc, one method just heats the metal, while another uses a crucible which absorbs microwaves
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[20:54:03] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:03:28] <SpeedEvil> I replaced the waveguide cover in my microwave with glass.
[21:03:46] <SpeedEvil> After one cooking cycle, I had a shattered bit of glass and blobs
[21:04:05] <SpeedEvil> reassembly revealed it had neatly melted a hole, then shattered on cooling
[21:11:18] <gkamysz> the glass table is suppsedly there to absorb the engergy if you were to run it empty. there are some youtubes about melting glass in the microwave
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[21:13:23] <gkamysz> my upgrade from 2.2.8 to the latest version was less traumatic than expected. i should have done it a while ago. it runs and even the linuxcnc post for hsmexpress works.
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[21:15:46] <gkamysz> now, i really have to finish my lathe retrofit. i didn't know until i installed it that hsmexpress has lathe
[21:21:21] <PCW> I know someone that worked at a place where they made giant magnetrons and amplitrons for debugging buildings and other such uses
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[21:46:12] <Jymmm> PCW: animal or mechanical bugs?
[21:46:28] <PCW> electronic
[21:46:52] <Jymmm> ah
[21:47:45] <PCW> These were big enough tubes that they had ionization pumps to keep the vaccum
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[21:49:05] <Jymmm> PCW: I don't know what that means, but ok =)
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[21:49:59] <Jymmm> Just curious... would "FUCK CANCER" be considered politically correct?
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[23:34:51] <cncformywife> hi
[23:35:36] <cncformywife> someone can help me with some stuff?
[23:38:26] <mozmck> making a cnc for you wife?
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[23:40:53] <cncformywife> yes
[23:41:30] <mozmck> ask and someone can probably help.
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[23:42:22] <cncformywife> she is want the ability to make engraving in light metal like
[23:42:27] <cncformywife> mozmck: ^
[23:42:42] <mozmck> ok
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[23:45:03] <cncformywife> how i calculate the force of the milling process?
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[23:45:30] <cncformywife> mozmck: ^
[23:45:46] <mozmck> hmm, I don't know on that, but it will not be much for light engravings
[23:46:12] <mozmck> are you trying to figure out how strong a machine you need?
[23:46:30] <mozmck> how sturdy that is?
[23:47:45] <cncformywife> yes, how ridged i need to build it.
[23:50:18] <cncformywife> mozmck: it have to be very precise, she want it for jewelry making.
[23:52:02] <mozmck> I don't know the answer for you. You might start out looking at machines designed to do what you want, and that may give you some ideas.
[23:53:46] <mozmck> http://www.visionengravers.com/products/
[23:54:15] <mozmck> http://www.gravograph.us/engraving-machines/Overview.php
[23:56:57] <cncformywife> this are very expensive machines and not precise for jewelry.
[23:57:49] <cncformywife> i want to know how lo calculate it.
[23:58:02] <cncformywife> i see this diagram https://www.google.co.il/search?q=milling+force&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=l-y1U4m3A8XbPIGwgLgJ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=485&dpr=1.25#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=VBgxKXYpemNoeM%253A%3B6o5FXiLB2aZVtM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fmanufacturingscience.asmedigitalcollection.asme.org%252Fdata%252FJournals%252FJMSEFK%252F926545%252Fmanu_134_6_061006_f003.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fmanufacturingscience.asmedigitalcoll