#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-05-17

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[01:54:03] <Connor> Anyone heard of using a touch probe that doesn't give you the ability to calibrate it for concentrically ? Guy claims you calibrate it via your control software....
[01:57:28] <jdh> seems like that would lack repeatability unless you could ensure spindle orientation each time.
[01:57:40] <Connor> That was my thinking...
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[01:59:44] <jdh> sounds like a cheap whatever.
[01:59:45] <Connor> This one... http://www.performancemotion.com/products.shtml
[02:00:30] <XXCoder1> heh got no idea how that probe works
[02:00:42] <jdh> like all the others
[02:00:43] <XXCoder1> I guess by slowly moving till touch
[02:01:11] <Connor> XXCoder1: That's how they all work.. but, they need to be concentric to the spindle.. or they're useless for edge/center finding.
[02:01:13] <jdh> tilting or pressing the tip breaks continuity
[02:01:45] <XXCoder1> define concetric to spidle - probe axis aligns with spidle axis?>
[02:02:10] <Connor> the tip of the probe is aligned in the X and Y center of the spindle.
[02:02:29] <XXCoder1> ok got it
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[02:04:12] <FrankZappa> http://i.imgur.com/W1aBQdL.jpg
[02:04:20] <FrankZappa> inspirational quote
[02:04:29] <XXCoder1> yep
[02:04:50] <FrankZappa> unfortunately, sometimes the goal requires people and/or objects.
[02:05:10] <XXCoder1> Anyway related to cnc building. I am thinking on making Z gear and rails box first, so I can think on how to design Y around it, then X around rest
[02:05:14] <FrankZappa> nobody can specialize in everything that they need to, in order to generally innovate.
[02:05:15] <XXCoder1> what you guys think
[02:05:43] <FrankZappa> do you have the tooling?
[02:05:49] <FrankZappa> sorry
[02:05:50] <FrankZappa> the tools
[02:05:56] <FrankZappa> that the z axis will hold?
[02:06:17] <XXCoder1> not yet lol I plan to buy a router first before I even begin of course
[02:06:29] <XXCoder1> I might grab router that has range 8 rpm to 20,000 rpm
[02:06:33] <XXCoder1> errr
[02:06:37] <XXCoder1> 8k to 20k rpm
[02:06:39] <humble_sea_bass> did you draw everything in cad at least
[02:06:49] <humble_sea_bass> measure twice cut once
[02:06:52] <FrankZappa> my opinion is that it's okay to design linearly, as long as you use the best possible foresight. Your method doesn't, because it doesn't start at the start.
[02:07:00] <XXCoder1> humble I did, but then I might change design idea. and yep I know that motto
[02:07:19] <humble_sea_bass> dont lick the table saw blade
[02:07:30] <FrankZappa> 1) what materials do you wish to work on this cnc 2) what tools work them to your satisfaction 3) will this machine be built with plans for enlargement ever
[02:07:31] <XXCoder1> frank yeah I probably will do new cad design first see how well design works
[02:07:34] <FrankZappa> those kinds of things
[02:07:35] <humble_sea_bass> don't write your name on tools when you work at high elevations
[02:07:49] <FrankZappa> start at the start.
[02:08:01] <XXCoder1> I want it to be quite rigid so thinking boxed gantry
[02:08:02] <FrankZappa> otherwise, wait, and keep the whole design fluid until you commit.
[02:08:19] <humble_sea_bass> in practice, you always change things along the way
[02:08:24] <jdh> then buy a chinese 6040
[02:08:24] <FrankZappa> (that was the nature of your question)
[02:08:50] <FrankZappa> humble_sea_bass has my vote.
[02:08:52] <XXCoder1> yeah. before quite nothing was rigid. now lengths are rigid
[02:09:10] <XXCoder1> 300mm for z, 600mm for x and y
[02:09:13] <FrankZappa> XXCoder1 if you're going to box yourself in, USE PLANNING
[02:09:19] <XXCoder1> lol
[02:09:34] <humble_sea_bass> xx, i learned that my OCD wants perfect before i start, but i learn more by going full thoughtful hog and perhaps not having the most optimal design
[02:09:38] <FrankZappa> what mat'ls?
[02:09:50] <XXCoder1> wood and high quality lamated wood
[02:09:56] <XXCoder1> both free so yeah
[02:09:59] <FrankZappa> okay so then what tools will work them?
[02:09:59] <humble_sea_bass> it may cost a bit of money to redo it, but you've learned so much more
[02:10:04] <FrankZappa> Milling bits?
[02:10:07] <XXCoder1> I might do partial metal frame
[02:10:10] <FrankZappa> Reciprocal saws?>
[02:10:16] <FrankZappa> dremel tips?
[02:10:19] <XXCoder1> it'll be cnc router
[02:10:29] <FrankZappa> router bits only?
[02:10:40] <XXCoder1> I plan to start with shitty wood and router bits yes
[02:11:03] <FrankZappa> And those replies won't change in the near future, say 2-3 years?
[02:11:06] <XXCoder1> I need to learn a lot before I get serious and actually buy 8020 and such lol
[02:11:46] <FrankZappa> ...
[02:11:47] <XXCoder1> I made huge progress at training job so 2 weeks later I start basic cnc machinist job lol (no real designing, just load up file and such I guess)
[02:11:56] <humble_sea_bass> you never learn until you fuck up good and proper
[02:12:02] <FrankZappa> false
[02:12:03] <XXCoder1> humble exactly!
[02:12:12] <XXCoder1> thats why I got cheap stuff
[02:12:14] <FrankZappa> Intelligence is learning from your mistakes.
[02:12:20] <XXCoder1> I'm sure I will break stuff and learn
[02:12:23] <FrankZappa> Wisdom is learning from other people's mistakes.
[02:12:40] <FrankZappa> I never had to touch a hot stove to believe mom.
[02:12:48] <XXCoder1> lol
[02:12:54] <FrankZappa> some people have to wipe the paint when they see the sign that it's wet, I guess.
[02:13:08] <XXCoder1> yeah. thankully not me :P
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[02:17:07] <XXCoder1> anyway yeah I'm still missing parts so I cant build it yet
[02:17:18] <XXCoder1> for example I has no ball screw system
[02:17:53] <jdh> chai can fix that
[02:18:11] <XXCoder1> no
[02:18:21] <XXCoder1> MONEY can fix that :P just dont have it yet.
[02:21:50] <FrankZappa> XXCoder1 I was telling you: listen to systems planners who've been there if you're asking people for a path forward
[02:22:12] <XXCoder1> ok
[02:22:13] <FrankZappa> "who've been there, if "
[02:22:20] <FrankZappa> my point is
[02:22:31] <FrankZappa> you don't want to be in a situation where you design and build your z axis
[02:22:33] <FrankZappa> with a holder
[02:22:48] <XXCoder1> it'll be a bit though lol I have money but its still on hold while my biz package travels to customer
[02:22:51] <FrankZappa> and with a certain ability to maintain position
[02:22:56] <XXCoder1> if it somehow gets lost I have to refun.
[02:23:07] <FrankZappa> then later, you decide whoa I would REALLY like to mount that plasma torch in my cnc
[02:23:15] <FrankZappa> and whoops, you can't
[02:23:23] <FrankZappa> because your early-built Z is too dinky
[02:23:35] <FrankZappa> that's what my earlier line of inquiry was designed to assist in avoiding.
[02:23:47] <XXCoder1> my first cnc wouldnt be very flexiable. and quite junky. best just for artwork and such
[02:23:55] <FrankZappa> then build.
[02:23:58] <FrankZappa> go for it.
[02:24:06] <FrankZappa> just use cheap/free shit
[02:24:11] <XXCoder1> when I have more funds and such I'lkl follow tough 8020 design I found online. by then I has most parts
[02:24:12] <FrankZappa> and you won't regret it
[02:24:18] <XXCoder1> indeed.
[02:24:29] <FrankZappa> are you a decent social engineer?
[02:24:38] <XXCoder1> even cheap it'll take me a bit. I has entire electrics and rail system. no ball screw system yet
[02:24:48] <XXCoder1> social engineer - deals with people?
[02:24:51] <FrankZappa> yes
[02:25:04] <XXCoder1> I can, but many people dont care to deal with "that deaf person"
[02:25:10] <FrankZappa> if so, you could scam some parts by just asking for sample components
[02:25:19] <FrankZappa> then design around whatever you can get :)
[02:25:38] <FrankZappa> or do something stupidly labor-intensive
[02:25:42] <FrankZappa> take tons of photos
[02:25:46] <FrankZappa> get your blog popular
[02:25:55] <FrankZappa> then get sponsored to make another one.
[02:26:03] <FrankZappa> that kind of bullshit.
[02:26:11] <XXCoder1> nice idea lol
[02:26:12] <FrankZappa> it's not really conning or bullshit bullshit.
[02:26:23] <FrankZappa> it's just level-1 bullshit.
[02:26:26] <XXCoder1> I just post pics to fb page :P not too fancy
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[02:26:50] <FrankZappa> if the mark realizes it, they might say, "eh, he has some gear and is making things."
[02:27:12] <FrankZappa> Anybody reading this know the history of the printed word?
[02:27:16] <FrankZappa> (in the west)
[02:27:35] <FrankZappa> it's fastinating, and relates to you, XXCoder1
[02:27:42] <XXCoder1> got link?
[02:27:44] <FrankZappa> t=c
[02:27:50] <FrankZappa> I'll just type it
[02:28:00] <FrankZappa> So there was Johannes Gutenberg
[02:28:06] <FrankZappa> who invented movable type
[02:28:14] <FrankZappa> which enabled "mass" printing
[02:28:20] <XXCoder1> yeah
[02:28:26] <FrankZappa> of things that had to be "letterset" on press
[02:28:51] <FrankZappa> essentially, Gutenberg was like a machinist-entrepreneur
[02:29:00] <FrankZappa> a merchant who wished to be aristocratic
[02:29:42] <FrankZappa> He wanted to borrow a lot of money to buy fine clothes, housing, food, and drink, from the aristocracy
[02:29:46] <FrankZappa> so he swung some deals and made some impossible promises
[02:29:57] <FrankZappa> the chickens came home to roost on his line of bullshit
[02:30:11] <FrankZappa> so he whipped out the "cast some lead characters and print thme" idea
[02:30:22] <FrankZappa> (them)
[02:30:33] <FrankZappa> he was actually being pursued by his rich backers
[02:30:51] <FrankZappa> not unlike a mobster would pursue a shop owner who hadn't paid the extortion fee
[02:31:07] <FrankZappa> so at the last second, he machined up the first printing press
[02:31:12] <FrankZappa> and debuted it to his creditors
[02:31:20] <FrankZappa> He made a fortune, of course.
[02:31:35] <FrankZappa> the other thing was like alchemy or something, not remembering right now
[02:31:40] <FrankZappa> like transmuting lead to gold
[02:32:18] <XXCoder1> lol that old bullshit
[02:32:23] <FrankZappa> (story over)
[02:32:39] <XXCoder1> in theory you could just knock few elctrons off and make lead gold
[02:32:56] <XXCoder1> but in real world..
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[02:35:48] <FrankZappa> my source is James Burke
[02:36:05] <FrankZappa> hist tv show, Connections, (the original series) episode 4: "Faith in Numbers"
[02:36:18] <FrankZappa> I can't find it on youtube
[02:36:19] <XXCoder1> ih I'm wrong
[02:36:23] <FrankZappa> only links have been deleted
[02:36:35] <XXCoder1> gold has 3 fewer protons than lead
[02:36:50] <XXCoder1> so just knock 3 protons and you got gold that was lead
[02:37:28] <FrankZappa> WAIT FOUNDIT
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[02:38:15] <XXCoder1> I really hope for real and cheap way to convert lead to gold.
[02:38:27] <XXCoder1> gold is FAR more useful than that poisonous metal
[02:39:50] <FrankZappa> Here's your source, if you have about ten mins to watch. www.youtube.com/watch?v=91H4NPdRkxo&list=PLMNa_9j-t_z4CDoRqzcFqbrJ0ZvQP2B2a&index=7&t=22m34s
[02:40:57] <XXCoder1> not captioned but watching it anyway.
[02:41:57] <XXCoder1> interesting machines.
[02:44:12] <FrankZappa> you can't hear?
[02:44:26] <XXCoder1> yeah. for last 38 years. or all my life lol
[02:44:32] <FrankZappa> ok, sorry
[02:44:39] <FrankZappa> then it doesn't functino as a reference to you
[02:44:41] <XXCoder1> why?
[02:44:42] <FrankZappa> *function
[02:44:46] <XXCoder1> oh np lol
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[02:59:55] <somenewguy> gonna use a tiny ball mill for the first time in some alu tomorrow, any tips?
[03:00:20] <somenewguy> only ever used square endmills, but i need a round channel, so 3d profiling it is!
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[03:20:45] <XXCoder1> interesting.
[03:20:46] <XXCoder1> http://jct250.wordpress.com/2014/05/05/electrolytic-rust-removal/
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[03:24:42] <FrankZappa> electrolytic rust removal
[03:24:48] <XXCoder1> yep
[03:24:49] <FrankZappa> guys should have charged their batteries
[03:25:23] <FrankZappa> and burned any gases
[03:25:35] <FrankZappa> used said burning to turn turbines
[03:25:35] <XXCoder1> though I was wondering about exopxy stone thingy
[03:26:06] <XXCoder1> making new cnc bed with it that is lol
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[03:56:50] <Anonymoose> Is anyone here familiar with the K179 controller?
[03:57:45] <Anonymoose> I'm at the local makerspace trying to get their cnc mill going and am having lots of trouble, lol
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[04:31:26] <zeeshan> woohooo
[04:31:27] <zeeshan> getting closer
[04:32:07] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/hQZav
[04:32:13] <zeeshan> z axis motor mounted
[04:32:31] <zeeshan> working on the floating side support bracket now
[04:33:10] <XXCoder1> nema32?
[04:33:26] <zeeshan> 34
[04:33:32] <XXCoder1> oh yes
[04:36:17] <XXCoder1> anyway cool
[04:37:56] <zeeshan> i wish i bought a stainless steel coupler
[04:38:00] <zeeshan> instead of the aluminum pos i bought
[04:38:18] <zeeshan> it's supposed to be flexible... but its a little TOO flexible
[04:38:30] <zeeshan> to the point i don't think its going to survive 1200oz of torque
[04:38:35] <zeeshan> if it ever sees it
[04:38:43] <zeeshan> i guess it can act like a fuse :P
[04:38:50] <XXCoder1> well
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[04:38:58] <XXCoder1> if its cheap just run till break
[04:39:02] <zeeshan> yea
[04:39:08] <zeeshan> i like that idea :P
[04:42:57] <Connor_iPad> Use a oldham coupler.
[04:43:19] <zeeshan> i have one
[04:43:30] <zeeshan> but people say they have backlash
[04:43:33] <zeeshan> oh
[04:43:35] <zeeshan> nm its differnt
[04:44:00] <zeeshan> Connor_iPad: can you buy them at different 'torsional shear ratings'
[04:44:09] <zeeshan> so if they detect a certain amount of torque, they snap
[04:44:48] <Connor_iPad> Not sure, but the disc is made of plastic. So they can act as a fuse.
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[05:24:53] <MrHindsight> Oldhams have backlash if the center piece material is too soft (so it compresses or stretches) or if it is too small
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[05:28:12] <MrHindsight> https://sdp-si.com/eStore/Catalog/Group/99 these will easily handle your max torque
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[06:40:43] <Deejay> moin
[06:41:21] <Jymmm> Mornin
[06:41:40] <Jymmm> Deejay: Here's a funny for you... http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2014/05/16/emory-university-server-accidentally-sends-reformat-request-windows-pcs-including/
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[06:54:39] <Deejay> Jymmm, haha! nice fail ;-)
[06:55:00] <Jymmm> Deejay: Thought you might like that =)
[06:55:16] <Deejay> :-)
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[08:11:38] <Loetmichel> hmm, i just spent 140 eur for parts for a 2*0-30V 0-4A laboratory supply. and there's not even the enclosure and the Volt/amperemeters in it. it seems DIY doesen calculate anymore. the 4mm "banana" plugs from hirschmann alone were 30 eur :-(
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[08:13:56] <archivist> ebay gets you something cheaper
[08:15:05] <Loetmichel> archivist: thats what i said.
[08:15:50] * archivist looks for ebay in that message :)
[08:16:09] <Loetmichel> although: not with 10 turn pots, <0,1% constant, <1mV noise on output and (essentially) not failing if shorted for extended periods of time
[08:16:39] <Loetmichel> you menat: ebay for the parts?
[08:16:45] <Loetmichel> the parts ARE from ebay ;-)
[08:18:55] <archivist> I just have a couple of complete supplies
[08:19:15] <archivist> here is a funny cock up http://it.emory.edu/windows7-incident/
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[08:24:14] <Loetmichel> ... and best of all: it will fit my rack space perfectly ;-)
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[15:00:15] <PetefromTn_> pcw_home Hey man I got a question for you if you don't mind...via PM
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[15:03:59] <pcw_home> sure
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[15:34:11] <PetefromTn_> Thanks man PM sent
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[15:40:32] <MrHindsight> what's usually the problem when a Bridgeport J-head doesn't want to stay in LOW, or for very long, clutch won't stay engaged
[15:43:26] <archivist> what keeps it engaged ?, eg a spring and ball etc
[15:43:49] <archivist> is the fault directional
[15:44:59] <MrHindsight> I think it's slips out in either direction and has difficulty engaging
[15:45:54] <MrHindsight> http://home.comcast.net/~tom.jelly/j%20head%20rebuild%20web%20page/j%20head%20rebuild.htm looking for pics of that clutch
[15:49:04] <humble_sea_bass> hah! i love the weeks on it
[15:49:37] <humble_sea_bass> wheels
[15:49:48] <XXCoder1> lol
[15:50:19] <humble_sea_bass> it is the unsafest soap box racer
[15:50:21] <archivist> MrHindsight, the back gear near the bottom but he misses the actuator as far as I can see
[15:50:35] <XXCoder1> humble_sea_bass: nah. I can make it less safe
[15:50:50] <humble_sea_bass> tricycle style?
[15:50:51] <XXCoder1> make em out of sweating tnt for example
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[15:53:03] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBmnQN78aZU
[15:53:07] <SpeedEvil> how to make it less safe
[15:53:35] <SpeedEvil> '
[15:53:35] <SpeedEvil> Motorizing and test driving the scaffold
[15:53:35] <SpeedEvil> '
[15:53:42] <XXCoder1> woodgears guy
[15:53:47] <XXCoder1> I like that guy
[15:54:01] <archivist> MrHindsight, page 76 of teh manual I downloaded www.truetex.com/bridgeport-manual.pdf
[15:54:11] <humble_sea_bass> he is the best guy
[15:56:50] <XXCoder1> ghetto tablesave lathe
[15:56:57] <XXCoder1> tablesaw
[15:57:21] <MrHindsight> pins in the cam ring get worn from all the relevant posts
[15:57:57] <SpeedEvil> I kille a tablesaw due to lateral forces.
[15:58:04] <SpeedEvil> Ok - it wasn't a great tablesaw.
[15:58:15] <SpeedEvil> But I still question that sort of project
[15:58:41] <humble_sea_bass> i dont think that is the only table saw he owns
[15:58:57] <XXCoder1> I saw someone make a sphere using tablesaw and some other tool
[16:00:01] <SpeedEvil> yeah
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[16:00:29] <SpeedEvil> The cutting forces can wind up quite high, and it's a big lever arm on the saw
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[16:00:50] <SpeedEvil> Well 'quite high' from the perspective of the usual designed forces
[16:00:57] <XXCoder1> guy used some kinda jig
[16:01:04] <XXCoder1> so he could cut a little off a time
[16:01:09] <XXCoder1> so low laterial force
[16:01:18] <MrHindsight> that scaffold video sums up pretty much everything I see at maker spaces and reprap
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[16:02:36] <SpeedEvil> It's not one of his best.
[16:02:53] <XXCoder1> yeah
[16:02:57] <MrHindsight> do these people have some sort of phobia of engineering and learning from others with experience?
[16:03:05] <XXCoder1> it was just hack so he can move around while high up
[16:03:14] <XXCoder1> found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y94nv12L5_4
[16:03:19] <XXCoder1> what a ugly hack but works lol
[16:03:23] <SpeedEvil> MrHindsight: There is engineering, and not having the tools to do it properly.
[16:03:52] <SpeedEvil> Also 'ugly hack that I need today'
[16:03:53] <XXCoder1> skip to 2:00 mark or so
[16:04:56] <SpeedEvil> The pocket hole jig is nice
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[16:09:07] <MrHindsight> SpeedEvil: is that why you make things like that?
[16:09:43] <XXCoder1> other method https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhaTNIm_uhg
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[16:13:21] <MrHindsight> nothing beats that horrible room sized pipe mill yet
[16:13:29] <PetefromTn_> Damn that look freakin' dangerous.. I was waiting for the whole thing to come crashin' down and find him in a pile O two by fours cryin' LOL
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[16:14:25] <Deejay> namd
[16:15:18] <XXCoder1> finally found it. large ball version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFf6FLXDQcU
[16:16:15] <MrHindsight> in his defense, he was willing to sacrifice himself for the sake of entertainment, how many people are willing to do that?
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[16:17:22] <PetefromTn_> Oh there's plenty of those guys around....just add beer.
[16:17:27] <XXCoder1> lol
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[16:18:28] <MrHindsight> ow my balls, jackass etc etc
[16:19:12] <XXCoder1> I wonder if bowling alley'd accept actual wood bowling ball :P
[16:19:29] <XXCoder1> I'd have included that weights so it can curve
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[16:20:18] <PetefromTn_> I have actually never seen a 2x4 scaffold before that alone took balls..
[16:20:44] <PetefromTn_> So I give him points for having Coconut size dangly bits..
[16:20:51] <XXCoder1> that small
[16:21:01] <PetefromTn_> Okay big as church bells...
[16:21:10] <XXCoder1> he was just modeling his actual ball size when he made that ball
[16:21:14] <XXCoder1> the larger one
[16:21:15] <FrankZappa> he's using a drill as a motor
[16:26:57] <XXCoder1> lol. https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10306388_950850838277703_5643252570691363832_n.jpg
[16:28:04] <FrankZappa> "room sized pipe mill?"
[16:28:34] <XXCoder1> yeah it was REAL ugly
[16:28:40] <MrHindsight> FrankZappa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PSG2al1Sus
[16:30:23] <MrHindsight> I wonder how many hours he put into that, it should be in an art gallery
[16:31:57] <XXCoder1> I still wonder what is its working size is
[16:32:18] <MrHindsight> http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32100000/the-three-stooges-three-stooges-32136857-1095-1600.jpg
[16:32:34] <XXCoder1> video is from 2009
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[16:32:39] <XXCoder1> 5 years of no update
[16:32:49] <XXCoder1> even latest vbideo is still 4 years ago
[16:33:52] <MrHindsight> maybe he's been busy, his user name is: bluefacedthief
[16:35:05] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX8_PaWjV5Y
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[16:35:54] <FrankZappa> lawl perfect curly pic
[16:37:46] <MrHindsight> did anyone ever hear of how that solar heater made from an old parabolic antenna worked out in Cyprus?
[16:39:10] <XXCoder1> nope
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[16:41:07] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkhVomoD47g Home-made Solar Tracking System with no electronics for solar panel or solar oven
[16:41:34] <MrHindsight> except for the electronics and the motor?
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[16:47:54] <FrankZappa> haha, how did you know I was just being curious about that very subject?
[16:49:32] <FrankZappa> I guess that's good for a pole-mount, smaller array
[16:50:14] <FrankZappa> pretty sweet.
[16:50:32] <XXCoder1> it uses solar to orent to sun??
[16:50:37] <FrankZappa> yeah
[16:50:47] <XXCoder1> genius. no circuit no nothing
[16:50:51] <FrankZappa> seems like a design improvement
[16:51:12] <FrankZappa> over passive trackers
[16:51:22] <XXCoder1> or just pure timer
[16:51:50] <XXCoder1> timer you'd have to adjust each month or so for dawn and dust times
[16:51:53] <XXCoder1> dusk
[16:52:23] <XXCoder1> its not very fast, that tracker. it dont have to really.
[16:54:56] <PetefromTn_> At least it is not on top of two by fours atop a single wheel whittled out on a tablesaw driven by a chorded drill hehe
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[16:55:49] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:55:51] <XXCoder1> hey ich
[16:56:15] <XXCoder1> Ich I finally got rails
[16:56:36] <XXCoder1> most is fine but couple has issues but seems better since I cleaned metal flakes oyut
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[16:56:59] <XXCoder1> I plan to use white lathium grease when I'm ready to use em
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[16:57:17] <IchGuckLive> i use a motorbycycle garsystem to turn my 2.5tonn solar system towards sun
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[16:57:57] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: i got Molycote Lonterm W2 inside them
[16:59:10] <XXCoder1> interesting. didnt show up in amazon
[17:01:38] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: oh it is nor available in the USA true to goverment restrictions
[17:01:58] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: have any pics of the motors and gearing?
[17:02:38] <MrHindsight> lots of moly greases here
[17:02:58] <IchGuckLive> motor is a EDM force 400Nm 48V 50mmDiameter one
[17:03:25] <MrHindsight> http://www.dowcorning.com/applications/search/products/Details.aspx?prod=01283561&type=PROD&Country=CHN
[17:03:38] <MrHindsight> XXCoder1: ^^
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[17:04:27] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: you shoudt first finish a system then think over tuning it
[17:04:35] <XXCoder1> yeah
[17:04:42] <XXCoder1> just curious while I save up
[17:04:59] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: solar won't work effectively here since we have more direct sunlight here than most of Germany
[17:05:08] <IchGuckLive> onec more the 400th time on you go cheep and fast first system ,Update on budget
[17:05:29] <XXCoder1> I'm unsure of rail bearing block mechinics though. it has 2 screws on top and side. it seems to tighten bearings
[17:05:38] <XXCoder1> that is correct right?
[17:06:18] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight: i got a Univerity vaccumer that made the pipes from -2At to -6.5 where the Manufacture is at max -8
[17:06:37] <IchGuckLive> so i got a temp plus on fluid output by about 30deg
[17:06:58] <MrHindsight> XXCoder1: http://www.qbcbearings.com/RFQ/CoverPg/Images/Super-BB-Pillow-Blocks.jpg
[17:06:59] <IchGuckLive> at full sunlight i can get about 320Deg Celsius out of the pipes
[17:07:29] <MrHindsight> XXCoder1: the actual bearings and cages are held inside the block body
[17:07:42] <IchGuckLive> that heads the 5Qm tank up to 110degreCelsius the pressure is bad for all plumbing
[17:07:42] <MrHindsight> how thats done is not standard
[17:08:10] <IchGuckLive> in first summer as there where some days steam out of the shower
[17:08:29] <IchGuckLive> now we got a overpressure vent and a cooling down system
[17:08:36] <IchGuckLive> no direct flow
[17:08:55] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: of course, but since most of the US has more sunlight than Germany it won't work here :)
[17:08:55] <IchGuckLive> and a Arduino to controll the sunlight direction
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[17:09:16] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight:
[17:09:20] <IchGuckLive> less pipes
[17:09:22] <XXCoder1> oh yes "set screws"
[17:09:24] <IchGuckLive> i got 60
[17:09:48] <IchGuckLive> get it down by 10 as the new system is 10,timese
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[17:10:00] <IchGuckLive> 10x1 ,x2 ,x3
[17:10:18] <IchGuckLive> so you can choose the best for you
[17:10:37] <MrHindsight> the fossil fuel co's say it won't work here :)
[17:10:42] <IchGuckLive> vaccumpipes
[17:11:12] <IchGuckLive> they give me 30deg C flow at -5deg C outside temp
[17:11:26] <MrHindsight> how much power is supplied now from solar in Germany?
[17:11:27] <IchGuckLive> this is enoph foor floor headsystem
[17:11:53] <IchGuckLive> about 16% in total of wind Solar and water
[17:12:13] <IchGuckLive> depends on region its up to 100 and more
[17:12:33] <MrHindsight> that would cut too deeply into the profits of the fossil fuel co's
[17:12:48] <IchGuckLive> they own the most
[17:13:14] <IchGuckLive> as in texas the windpower is 95% powerd by folis fuil companys
[17:13:35] <MrHindsight> http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/solar-provides-02-electric-supply-002-obama
[17:13:49] <IchGuckLive> texas has more green energy produced then fosil one
[17:14:05] <IchGuckLive> its a hidden secred as they like you say dont like the image
[17:14:39] <IchGuckLive> Imagen driving 100mil on 1 USD
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[17:15:11] <IchGuckLive> like tessla did no more fuel pay at all
[17:15:11] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: that's why it won't happen here anytime soon
[17:15:27] <IchGuckLive> its happening now as you speek
[17:15:39] <MrHindsight> not on any large scale
[17:15:40] <IchGuckLive> today tesla did 4 more refuel in the usa
[17:15:50] <XXCoder1> ich texas has one of worse renewable programs in usa
[17:16:00] <XXCoder1> yet they got best sun. must be all them oilmen
[17:16:09] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight: agree on that not to all 280mil people
[17:16:42] <MrHindsight> it's burn baby burn and drill baby drill
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[17:17:45] <MrHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra is an example of how it gets handled here
[17:18:54] <IchGuckLive> oh bye the way today burningman 2014 sail is out
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[17:20:18] <IchGuckLive> last count to renwe in the usa total is 12.22%
[17:20:37] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: here they are still debating climate change, like facts are debatable
[17:21:25] <IchGuckLive> here 2
[17:21:34] <IchGuckLive> world has ever been changed
[17:21:54] <IchGuckLive> 10.000 years ago USA has been a frosen Ice block
[17:22:03] <MrHindsight> yeah sociopaths are mostly still in charge
[17:22:05] <IchGuckLive> now they got great lakes
[17:22:29] <IchGuckLive> they counting 200years of climate
[17:22:33] <XXCoder1> yeah. the reason I'm concerned about comite change is that it was manmade. not just because it's change. change is the only true constant to life.
[17:23:09] <XXCoder1> Ich huge block of ice in south broke off and are melting. seas will rise 10 feet somewhat soon.
[17:23:15] <IchGuckLive> no dianasor at oure Air values
[17:23:49] <IchGuckLive> oxitain mutch more then now
[17:23:59] <IchGuckLive> so where is all the wood
[17:24:07] <IchGuckLive> the plants
[17:24:22] <XXCoder1> http://www.livescience.com/38078-pine-island-glacier-iceberg.html
[17:24:27] <IchGuckLive> the USA gives now about 15milion acors of grennland renowed
[17:24:39] <IchGuckLive> we will se no dessert in livetime in nevada
[17:24:43] <IchGuckLive> if all goes right
[17:25:07] <IchGuckLive> the China is buuilding the biggest manmade river 1000miles
[17:25:07] <MrHindsight> prime beachfront property
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[17:25:25] <IchGuckLive> to get all the people feeded
[17:25:47] <IchGuckLive> and how about india it overturned last year china in population
[17:25:54] <XXCoder1> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/10-feet-of-global-sea-level-rise-now-inevitable
[17:25:55] <humble_sea_bass> it would be awesome if instead of building a rive they;d clean up the yan se
[17:26:10] <IchGuckLive> OK on only male 80% of pop it will turn down soon
[17:26:35] <XXCoder1> last link was older one this one is HUGE compared to it. ice 2 miles thick broke down
[17:26:50] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight: do you know the projekt name of the river that is build
[17:27:09] <MrHindsight> hey but it's China's turn now, the west had the last 100 years of uncontrolled pollution
[17:27:27] <XXCoder1> mrhind yeah china is starting to realize that its bad
[17:27:32] <XXCoder1> they are cracking down
[17:27:38] <XXCoder1> hopefully in time
[17:27:38] <MrHindsight> not fair, that they should have to limit pollution
[17:28:51] <IchGuckLive> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South%E2%80%93North_Water_Transfer_Project
[17:29:03] <MrHindsight> well now that it's becoming a major health problem there, it's actually costing more money on the health side vs pollution side
[17:29:11] <IchGuckLive> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Modern_Course_of_Grand_Canal_of_China.png/400px-Modern_Course_of_Grand_Canal_of_China.png
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[17:29:44] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: more news in the west about it than in China
[17:30:20] <MrHindsight> in China people generally find out when the project is complete, they know and see it being built, but don't really ask
[17:31:18] <IchGuckLive> 48years of construction
[17:31:26] <IchGuckLive> china will make it in 40
[17:32:01] <IchGuckLive> oh i smell BBQ "Flammkuchen"
[17:32:15] <IchGuckLive> will be outside soon O.o
[17:32:19] <MrHindsight> What’s Like a 3D Printer, But Also Like a Microscope? We've combined the worst of both to make this: http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/05/17/3d-printing-cem-crown-extruder/
[17:32:42] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: what time is it there?
[17:32:52] <IchGuckLive> its maybe what the worl needs most
[17:33:04] <IchGuckLive> 7:36 pm
[17:33:33] <MrHindsight> lunchtime here
[17:34:23] <IchGuckLive> ok im off nice talk to you Huntington Texas is once more declared FATest City in Fattest Country of the world
[17:34:30] <IchGuckLive> i do not agree
[17:34:35] <IchGuckLive> as i seen samoa
[17:34:52] <IchGuckLive> Fat is there slim
[17:35:27] <IchGuckLive> did obame get the SUPERSIZE out of the stores ?
[17:35:33] <IchGuckLive> a
[17:36:50] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: are you on
[17:36:52] <MrHindsight> McDonald's dropped it shortly after the film was released
[17:37:28] <MrHindsight> was during Alfred E Rooney/Penguin administration
[17:37:57] <IchGuckLive> tonight ive seen a food fight of british cook in the usa he barried the frit in the garden
[17:38:31] <MrHindsight> sorry Alfred E Neuman
[17:38:40] <IchGuckLive> you can go in chail over here if you drop oil in your yard
[17:38:48] <IchGuckLive> jail
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[17:39:17] <IchGuckLive> to drive inside the forest you need to change the oil on the tractor
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[17:39:37] <IchGuckLive> alo motorchainsaw oil is green
[17:40:01] <humble_sea_bass> that sounds pretty cool IchGuckLive
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[17:40:27] <IchGuckLive> today at 8am ive seen the privatwood brigades entering the forest for harvest
[17:40:33] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: it's available here but the other suppliers will lobby to keep it from becoming mandatory
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[17:41:33] <IchGuckLive> this year in my region around the USAFB its a 210.000 qm³ wood harvest
[17:41:50] <IchGuckLive> as they cont a 320.000 grow
[17:42:00] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: what happened here recently was the oligarchs in power made corporations people and money speech
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[17:42:20] <IchGuckLive> the Mountainbike map showes a rout of 250km without passing any house
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[17:42:58] <MrHindsight> so now corporations have freedom of speech the same as actual people
[17:43:22] <IchGuckLive> 10qm³ wood is 1000liter oil 250Gal
[17:43:54] <MrHindsight> and hardly anyone noticed or cared
[17:44:20] <IchGuckLive> here they are as oil is on 80centEur a liter
[17:45:14] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: see what you are using are facts and logic to make an argument, that isn't needed here anymore, public opinion = facts here
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[17:45:36] <humble_sea_bass> money is also facts
[17:45:44] <IchGuckLive> calculation !! Household needs 1500liter/year ita near 2000Euros having it in the headsystem
[17:45:48] <MrHindsight> and whatever jesus says
[17:45:57] <IchGuckLive> same on wood is about 650Euros
[17:45:58] <humble_sea_bass> or what you think he said
[17:46:15] <MrHindsight> why my gardener gets to decide is beyond me :)
[17:47:07] <IchGuckLive> if usa canada law woudt be down the usa shure coudt getter 3more green percent
[17:47:29] <IchGuckLive> but logging goes USA -> canada
[17:47:41] <IchGuckLive> not Canada -> Usa
[17:47:57] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: there are lots of things we could do here to help, but hardly anyone wants to do that
[17:48:02] <IchGuckLive> lota of USA houses are build an Austria wood
[17:48:18] <IchGuckLive> maybe german also
[17:48:29] <IchGuckLive> as Austria gets lot of german wood
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[17:49:16] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: it's not about what's best fr humanity here, it's about what is best for the oligarchs to make profit
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[17:49:41] <IchGuckLive> agree
[17:50:00] <IchGuckLive> if they make more money with green they will soon tern
[17:50:12] <IchGuckLive> as money moves the world
[17:50:23] <MrHindsight> thats why these situations tend to change with violent revolutions
[17:50:40] <IchGuckLive> ok im off to get some out of the oven till it is there or gone
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[19:09:55] <MrHindsight> makerjuice.com/docs/b9cd.pdf heh the maker crap wars begin
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[20:16:46] <yoshimitsuspeed> Hey guys I was wondering if anyone could help me set up my machine.
[20:16:48] <yoshimitsuspeed> This will get you caught up to where I am now.
[20:16:50] <yoshimitsuspeed> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/27837-my-build-and-questions#47016
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[20:19:40] <archivist> dont forget any enable pins
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[20:28:18] <yoshimitsuspeed> Enable pin on the C10 is jumped to power.
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[20:32:28] <archivist> the drives do not have their enables wired in that diagram, I do not expect it to work
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[20:33:37] <yoshimitsuspeed> Ah each drive needs to be wired. Did not know that.
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[20:34:08] <yoshimitsuspeed> So just 5v to ena + and ground to ena- yeah?
[20:36:45] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:37:15] <archivist> some drives default enabled see docs
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[20:38:10] <archivist> if that is just a badged longshine then it should be ok left open
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[20:40:10] <yoshimitsuspeed> I jumped ENA and no change.
[20:40:43] <yoshimitsuspeed> At what point should the motors hold? Will the drivers do it on their own or do they need a signal from the computer?
[20:40:52] <yoshimitsuspeed> My motors show no signs of life.
[20:44:38] <archivist> they should grab as soon as you apply power
[20:44:58] <archivist> make sure you have wired them correctly
[20:46:19] <archivist> do your drives have LEDs to say alive are they red or green
[20:47:32] <yoshimitsuspeed> Red
[20:47:45] <yoshimitsuspeed> On the breakout board should com be ground or 5v?
[20:48:15] <archivist> com is normally gnd
[20:48:16] <yoshimitsuspeed> I'm thinking 5v since the KLs say 5v+ on them
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[20:48:46] <yoshimitsuspeed> They say to wire it to pul+ and dir+ though.
[20:49:55] <archivist> use a meter to see what voltage it is at
[20:50:29] <archivist> that is a terrible diagram
[20:51:50] <yoshimitsuspeed> Yeah they don't make it easy
[20:52:07] <yoshimitsuspeed> pul + and dir+ are grounded
[20:52:58] <yoshimitsuspeed> pul- reads nothing, neither ground nor current
[20:53:09] <yoshimitsuspeed> dir- reads 5v
[20:53:33] <archivist> I have a breakout board here that also has a series resistor for the opto in the driver, there is also a resistor in the driver, that meand double the resistance and not enough drive into the opto to make it switch
[20:54:49] <archivist> your two driver pins need to go to 5v most likely not gnd
[20:55:05] <archivist> pul+ and dir+
[20:55:50] <yoshimitsuspeed> That's what I am thinking too. If I jump it to go 5v is there any risk of damaging anything?
[20:56:54] <yoshimitsuspeed> dir- is also reading 5v though.
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[20:59:10] <yoshimitsuspeed> I take that back. dir - only has 5v on port 7. none of the others do.
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[21:00:55] <archivist> you can see longshine drive here http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/JS/IMG_1731.JPG this is me testing note en is not wired here either
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[21:03:44] <yoshimitsuspeed> So on the breakout board going to the drives pin t has 5v. All the rest are ground. That doesn't seem right does it?
[21:06:07] <archivist> you can switch the opto either up to 5 with the - pin at gnd or on the low side with + to 5v
[21:07:00] <archivist> I had a board here the other day with the red and black swapped for gnd and +5
[21:08:00] <archivist> quality control in china is lacking, one wonders why AT dont check the docs are right
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[21:09:21] <yoshimitsuspeed> You think bad board maybe? I can't think of any other reason why all the other dir- pins would be reading ground but 7 reads 5v
[21:10:06] <yoshimitsuspeed> I did switch the jumper for 1-9 to 5v instead of ground. They are reading 5v but still no sign of life.
[21:11:04] <archivist> the red LED means the drive thinks you have a fault
[21:11:41] <archivist> did you use a meter to check which coil is which
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[21:14:37] <yoshimitsuspeed> No, I just wired it by that diagram. I used all the solid wires and ran the colors by the diagram.
[21:15:05] <yoshimitsuspeed> This should be the right motor but the wire colors aren't all the same as mine.
[21:15:07] <yoshimitsuspeed> http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B1.pdf
[21:15:37] <yoshimitsuspeed> I have red, blue, green and black.
[21:15:39] <yoshimitsuspeed> Then I have four of the same colors but with stripes.
[21:15:43] <archivist> check with a meter
[21:16:04] <yoshimitsuspeed> What am I looking for?
[21:16:12] <yoshimitsuspeed> Continuity?
[21:16:57] <archivist> yes very low resistance
[21:16:58] <FrankZappa> green with stripes is grounding
[21:17:04] <FrankZappa> usually grounding conductor
[21:17:14] <FrankZappa> at least in the USA
[21:17:16] <archivist> this is motor wire never to be grounded
[21:17:16] <yoshimitsuspeed> You will have to bear with me here. I have build machines like this proffessionally but I am much more familiar with the mechanical design and fabrication side.
[21:19:26] <FrankZappa> white-brown-orange-green are your stripes, I guess
[21:20:27] <FrankZappa> so those are A and B circuits
[21:20:36] <archivist> yoshimitsuspeed, you have 8 lead motors not 4 as in the diagram
[21:20:44] <FrankZappa> 4 plain wires for ACOM, 4 stripes for BCOM
[21:21:00] <archivist> you can series or parallel the coils
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[21:21:52] <yoshimitsuspeed> Bagh stupid diagram. I assumed that just meant the other 4 weren't needed.
[21:22:22] <yoshimitsuspeed> What are the pros and cons of parallel and series? Been too long since I read about that.
[21:22:29] <archivist> is there a diagram with the motors
[21:22:51] <yoshimitsuspeed> no
[21:22:52] <FrankZappa> yoshimitsuspeed parallel increases current and keeps voltage same
[21:23:03] <FrankZappa> series increases voltage and keeps amperage same
[21:23:09] <archivist> you only have 9 A so probably have to go series
[21:23:31] <yoshimitsuspeed> Okay.
[21:24:05] <yoshimitsuspeed> That diagram above is all I have found for the motors. Were you looking for more than that?
[21:24:12] <archivist> yes
[21:24:33] <archivist> that diagram is for the break out
[21:24:50] <yoshimitsuspeed> no this one
[21:24:54] <yoshimitsuspeed> http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B.pdf
[21:25:07] <yoshimitsuspeed> And this one
[21:25:11] <yoshimitsuspeed> http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B1.pdf
[21:26:22] <archivist> try bipolar series connection, wont be as fast as bipolar parallel
[21:27:32] <yoshimitsuspeed> Okay
[21:27:51] <yoshimitsuspeed> looks like I have some wiring to. I'll do one and repo back.
[21:28:03] <archivist> note both those diags have different colours
[21:28:42] * archivist has met chinese "consistency" before
[21:30:09] <yoshimitsuspeed> Lol yeah, just noticed. Fortunately one has the same colors as my motor so we will hope it's right hehe.
[21:31:11] <archivist> like I said, check with a meter
[21:34:35] <yoshimitsuspeed> They all show continuity of varying degrees. The solids show about .6 to 1 m
[21:34:37] <yoshimitsuspeed> Solid black to the stripes reads all over the place.
[21:35:00] <yoshimitsuspeed> What exactly do I need to figure out with this test? What am I looking for?
[21:35:54] <archivist> a very low resistance (do this when not wired to the drives
[21:36:24] <yoshimitsuspeed> Yeah it's disconnected completely now.
[21:36:29] <archivist> that the colours match one of the motor diagrams
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[21:37:42] <FrankZappa> the stripes shouldn't show any continuity to the solids
[21:37:46] <FrankZappa> I thought, at least.
[21:37:59] <FrankZappa> depends on how it's wired & protected
[21:38:13] <FrankZappa> but those two strings are acting independently on the motor.
[21:38:15] <yoshimitsuspeed> The solid to the matching color stripe reads 3.2 ohm
[21:38:27] <archivist> FrankZappa, look at the diags before you say stuff
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[21:38:53] <archivist> yoshimitsuspeed, as per the diagram
[21:39:05] <FrankZappa> why not disable one COM string and meter then?
[21:39:19] <archivist> in http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B.pdf
[21:40:05] <yoshimitsuspeed> Yeah that's the one I am going off of.
[21:40:24] <FrankZappa> oh, that's very different
[21:40:50] <yoshimitsuspeed> Red to R/W reads 3.2 ohm As to all the solids to their respective stripes. Does this sound right?
[21:40:56] <FrankZappa> so, what's the issue? gear not working, or doesn't power up?
[21:40:58] <archivist> yes
[21:41:24] <archivist> FrankZappa, please read the scoll back
[21:41:28] <archivist> scroll
[21:41:45] <FrankZappa> k sorry for interrupting
[21:41:59] <yoshimitsuspeed> Okay so I should just wire it per the diagram.
[21:42:05] <archivist> yes
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[21:42:42] <yoshimitsuspeed> I can't find it above. You thought bipolar series would be best right?
[21:43:02] <FrankZappa> that's what it looks like based on your meter reporting.
[21:43:16] <FrankZappa> that's the only config where the like colors + stripes are on same strings
[21:43:17] <yoshimitsuspeed> okay
[21:43:28] <archivist> not best but probably ok for 4 motors on that supply
[21:46:45] <archivist> do not leave the supply on the bench with the motors running and the bench vibrating a lot, I had a little phut here and the smoke got out, one of the heatsinks came unscrewed internally
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[21:52:30] <yoshimitsuspeed> Thanks for the tip.
[21:54:12] <archivist> that picture I posted is after, I went back to a bench supply
[21:56:54] <FrankZappa> yoshimitsuspeed the other wire meterings reported 0/inf/NC, right?
[21:57:20] <FrankZappa> you only got resistance from a color + its stripe, right?
[21:58:45] <yoshimitsuspeed> I got some resistance between all I tested. Solid to solid was about .8 m for example.
[21:59:22] <yoshimitsuspeed> Solid to stripe were about 3.2 ohm
[22:00:03] <Connor> So, I made a shelf to put my tools on.. it's on full extension draw slides.. 17" wide x 27.5" deep. Trying to figure the best way to arrange stuff..
[22:00:16] <FrankZappa> oh good
[22:01:29] <Connor> I want about 24 or spots for tool holders..
[22:01:43] <Connor> and here is a list of my other stuff.. http://pastebin.com/5VWkZ7Up
[22:02:22] <Connor> any thoughts on tool arrangement?
[22:06:05] <archivist> tools:random()
[22:06:29] <Connor> archivist: funny.
[22:07:16] <archivist> I dont know how we can possibly give sensible suggestions
[22:08:25] <archivist> all I know is you will want to change just after you drill holes
[22:08:44] <Connor> Yea.. that's what I'm trying to avoid. :)
[22:09:42] <archivist> or you find an extra drill, or something you did not leave space for
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[22:11:24] <FrankZappa> in my experience
[22:11:34] <FrankZappa> having differently sized drawers is great.
[22:11:36] <MrHindsight> http://olimex.wordpress.com/2014/05/14/rk3188-som-quad-core-cortex-a9-running-at-1-6ghz-system-on-module-first-prototypes-work-fine/ similar to BBB prices but with 4 faster cores and decent GPU
[22:11:51] <FrankZappa> a heavy-duty industrial bin-type filing cabinet is good for bigger stuff, like long calipers etc
[22:12:09] <FrankZappa> but those felt-bottomed shelves are the tits for smaller tools.
[22:12:29] <FrankZappa> they often have tray-type addon organizers for the top of the shelf too, as a 2-pc thing
[22:12:45] <Connor> FrankZappa: Not a drawer, a shelf.. under the chip tray. for tool holders, 123 blocks etc.. my draw will be for sensitive stuff and end mills not in holders..
[22:13:25] <FrankZappa> ah ok
[22:13:34] <FrankZappa> I'll let the more experienced ppl here speak to that
[22:14:05] * FrankZappa does more CAD
[22:14:15] <Connor> I'm drawing it up in cad...
[22:14:23] <Connor> hopeful I can lay it all out...
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[22:18:06] <archivist> size variation etc usually screws plans, just try organising taps and dies
[22:18:47] <yoshimitsuspeed> One axis down. Three to go. Thanks a lot guys I really appreciate the help. I'm sure I'll be back before too long.
[22:19:23] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9366&subject=26704
[22:19:50] <archivist> only 10 % by weight as none of the large stuff fits
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[22:27:38] <yoshimitsuspeed> Okay a few new questions. Is the motor supposed to get hot? If so what is safe? I don't remember them getting this hot on the big machines I used to work on. Got to about 50C then I turned it off.
[22:28:12] <FrankZappa> you could rewire in series
[22:28:17] <archivist> 50 deg c is safe, the machine cools it when bolted on
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[22:35:38] <yoshimitsuspeed> Thanks. It seems stable at about 45C now.
[22:35:46] <FrankZappa> I used to call my shop drawings "shop dawgs" because they were always .dwgs when I had to import them
[22:39:03] <yoshimitsuspeed> What should I set the microstep settings to? 1/2 puts the current settings dead on where 1mm jog = 1mm on the mill but it's very choppy. Should I change it to 1/16 or something else? If so do I just adjust the ratio using the ballscrew pitch or steps per rev or something like that?
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[22:42:54] <yoshimitsuspeed> Figured it out. I went to 1/8 and adjusted the steps per rev.
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[23:53:12] <yoshimitsuspeed> Now I am trying to figure out how to load the gantry configuration. If I click on linuxcnc I can choose gantry but it doesn't create a config file I can edit with stepconf. If I create a config in stepconf I can't figre out how to link it or integrate it with the gantry file.
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